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Gligan
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Posted - 2010.05.29 19:35:00 -
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CCP wants players to play their game right!
I will never accept transport mission - 40k cargo for 800 lp , when I can do a quick kill for 8000, I won't accept anty empire mission, I like going in every end of the universe, I will not accept mission that is 4 jumps away.
So I refuse to do a 5 jumps mission, but recently refused a 40k cargo one. I'm not gonna ruin my standings by saying no , I'll just log out of eve and start looking for another game...
Hmm , CCP - is this what you want? Down time is BAD .
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.05.29 19:39:00 -
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Why not find another agent, particularly one near other agents?
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Zuretul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.29 19:40:00 -
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How about just doing the mission or taking the standings hit?
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Gligan
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Posted - 2010.05.29 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gligan on 29/05/2010 19:49:06 hmm - just got 10 jumps away mission. This isn't anti lag - there' barely 100 people in the agent's system .
10 jumps away is pure missioneer hate !
Hell the mission is 15 mins of killing.
The travel is 20-30 mins.
Wow !!!
tell me you'd accept that mission?
Edit:
And the next one is 5 jumps away killing amarr.
Hmm cya in 4 hrs
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.29 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gligan 10 jumps away is pure missioneer hate ! [ą] The travel is 20-30 mins.
Don't do kill missions in a freighter? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2010.05.29 20:23:00 -
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If you dont feel like moving an inch to find another mission (as generally many systems have more than 1x lvl 4 agent with different corps) you could start another character. Then you would need 4 poor missions in a 4 hour period before you would need to wait any time at all.
I've run well over 2000 lvl 4's with 2 chars and not had to wait the 4 hours for a declined mission before could accept another. But then I also dont reject the little combat missions, nor the rubbish drone missions that give me up to 7700 lp for 10 minutes work - just the stuff experienced players avoid because the returns are just so terrible! One can get isk rich on the missions the experienced player rejects ...
You could also weigh up that courier mission. Your asking for a 30 min vs 4 hour right? Well if you accepted that courier mission you could have moved the 5 jumps there, 5 back in 10-12 minutes and had 18-20 minutes on the clock of your 30 min! So really its a player choice and you chose the 4 hour wait of 240 minutes vs a mission which would have taken 10-12 minutes. Was it a good choice in hind sight? Well next time you get a small courier mission you can weigh it up, 10-12 minutes of courier vs 240 minutes of waiting ... and will you reject it then?
If the mission is bad enough, sure reject it. But the problem isn't the odd bad mission, its the rejecting of anything non-premium by many an experienced player. If you reject anything non-premium, then move you butt to another agent or accept the 4 hours or accept some of those non-premium missions.
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Hellinthose
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Posted - 2010.05.29 20:38:00 -
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How about you just deny it and take the faction / corp hit?
I do it all the time...
Either that or go take a jog, go to the gym, pay attention to the woman or kids, or just about anything else so you can balance your in game life with RL?
In anycase, its a game. Theres a reason the 4 hours is therełso we dont have people rejecting thousands of missions willy-nilly waiting for that AE, WC, or (name your high priced mission here).
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.05.29 21:29:00 -
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Quote: You could also weigh up that courier mission. Your asking for a 30 min vs 4 hour right? Well if you accepted that courier mission you could have moved the 5 jumps there, 5 back in 10-12 minutes and had 18-20 minutes on the clock of your 30 min! So really its a player choice and you chose the 4 hour wait of 240 minutes vs a mission which would have taken 10-12 minutes. Was it a good choice in hind sight? Well next time you get a small courier mission you can weigh it up, 10-12 minutes of courier vs 240 minutes of waiting ... and will you reject it then?
Courier missions suck because their pay is lousy and tedious WTZ-jump-wtz-jump ad nausem especially for the 40km3 which doesn't fit in anything short of an Orca in one trip and the reward is enough lp to get about 4 +1 implants. I also avoid them because I may be in a frigate and my industrial is 3 jumps back at the main station, which results in 6 jumps just to fly back to pick it up and head back to the mission agent then another stupid 5 jumps out and another 5 jumps back. Not to mention those stupid couriers that send you to deep lowsec, which will probably result in your industrial ship being destroyed along with the 40km of mission item and dropping the mission.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.05.29 21:31:00 -
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Just move to the overpopulated deep highsec mission hubs where the agent that hardly ever give bad missions are. This is clearly what CCP wants you to do.
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JJ Redic
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Posted - 2010.05.29 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gligan I'll just log out of eve and start looking for another game...
Bye.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.29 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Casiella Truza Why not find another agent, particularly one near other agents?
CCP just drastically cut down the number of available agents to run. I used to have 2 I could run regularly, a few jumps apart. Now I have 1 (the other is next to a pirate infested low-sec system - it's not viable to run level 4s there anymore, at all, ever).
Originally by: Zuretul How about just doing the mission or taking the standings hit?
Something about pure losses and no gain, which is ultimately unrecoverable. I already make that sacrifice by shooting up pirate NPCs, I'm not going to do it with empire factions as well. It would require running storylines to work up again, which would damage empire relations even further. No, period.
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.05.29 22:14:00 -
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I have 3 accounts
That make 9 characters able to trigger a L4 agent.
All you have to do is runnig L4 with your mains and inviting to fleet an unskilled alt.
Common' 9 characters are enough to choose your most rewarding mission.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.05.29 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kaian Voskhod I have 3 accounts
That make 9 characters able to trigger a L4 agent.
All you have to do is runnig L4 with your mains and inviting to fleet an unskilled alt.
Common' 9 characters are enough to choose your most rewarding mission.
9 chars over 3 accounts isn't the same as 3 chars over 1 account. No room for fleeting there. So you're saying you need multiple accounts just to run missions those days?
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Ildryn
The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.05.29 23:02:00 -
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I say increase it to an unknown amount of time. Decline a mission roll the dice on your standings loss.
Choices.
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.05.29 23:16:00 -
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Quote: 9 chars over 3 accounts isn't the same as 3 chars over 1 account. No room for fleeting there. So you're saying you need multiple accounts just to run missions those days? Twisted Evil
Yup
I don't have time to loose in running crappy L4. I prefer FW.
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Agondray
Gallente Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2010.05.29 23:47:00 -
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i would like the decline time to take standings hit decreased to but if you dont want to take a mission that further than 4 jumps like your 30mins of travel, may i suggest manual warp. and if you rather do a kill mission for 8k instead of an easy afk trans job for 40k your a picky sob. so grow up its a game and get a life, i afk train for months at a time or gladly take a afk job because i can be asleep and do it and simply dock in the morning and turn in the job than autopilot back to my home station during work, your just making it way harder than it has to be.
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.05.29 23:54:00 -
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Added Agondray to buddy list in order to suicide gank it.
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Illectroculus Defined
Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.30 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
9 chars over 3 accounts isn't the same as 3 chars over 1 account. No room for fleeting there. So you're saying you need multiple accounts just to run missions those days?
No need for multiple accounts, the alt accepts the mission, warps to the mssion, makes bookmark, copies and contracts bookmark to main who then runs the mission. |
Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.30 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 30/05/2010 01:47:52 Well errm .. I wouldn't mind if they bring the in-between-refusals time to 2 hours or shorter.
With the faction kills it was tricky sometimes but with the added lowsec fun it's worse now. And no, if you do missions for a specific corp there's no replacement at hand. And when I go 8 jumps away for another agent and find out that I also need to get my industrial for (also "improved") courier missions and/or a miner for the rare mining mission .. doesn't make me particulary happy. When I have gotten all those and done the mission I also have to fly them all back to the original mission station.
So no thanks. Usually I switch chars or clean up my numerous stashes to pass the time |
ManFinancical
Amarr The Circle Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.05.31 04:51:00 -
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I must agree that 4 hours is a bit much, however i havent done highsec lvl4's since god knows when.
Im used to 14k LP missions, and 3 x lvl4 Q 20 agents in a single station, and now going to empire with this char finding out its pretty much SUCKS.
EVEN with 3 agents i ended up rejecting all of them then 4 hours wait... imo i think the waiting time should be 60 mins... OR start as 4 hours then you can train a skill that reduces it, like "Sweettalk your agent" with each level reduceing 45 mins ( aka lvl 5 meaning 1 hour wait)
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Sideof Fries
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:57:00 -
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Here's a probably dumb idea that could solve the problem more elegantly:
Instead of a 4 hour wait time between mission rejections, why not give players a list of missions to choose from, refreshed either every 4 hours or when the list is completed, whichever comes first.
This way, there would be far fewer occasions where players cannot find a single "acceptable" mission, while still forcing them to man up and deal with unpleasent missions if they want to stick with a single agent.
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:58:00 -
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Why not just add a 'bribe' option to agents. This is better than a 'free lunch' skill.
This can help dispose of isk which everyone has too much of.
The bribe would have to be meaningful, ie not cheap to avoid the 4 hour wait.
L1 1 mil isk L2 2 mil isk L3 4 mil isk L4 8 mil isk L5 16 mil isk
Could even allow you to reject an accepted mision for no standing loss - penalty rates of twice the cost.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.05.31 06:09:00 -
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Quote:
9 chars over 3 accounts isn't the same as 3 chars over 1 account. No room for fleeting there. So you're saying you need multiple accounts just to run missions those days?
>= BC PvP without alts is as gimped, without at least a scout. Some will even get a Falcon alt and RR alt(s)
Miners are constantly told their profession "unlike missioning it oh so easily scales up with more accounts".
Now, who was playing without alt accounts till today? Time to become gimped like everyone else!
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Legende
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: ManFinancical I must agree that 4 hours is a bit much, however i havent done highsec lvl4's since god knows when.
Im used to 14k LP missions, and 3 x lvl4 Q 20 agents in a single station, and now going to empire with this char finding out its pretty much SUCKS.
EVEN with 3 agents i ended up rejecting all of them then 4 hours wait... imo i think the waiting time should be 60 mins... OR start as 4 hours then you can train a skill that reduces it, like "Sweettalk your agent" with each level reduceing 45 mins ( aka lvl 5 meaning 1 hour wait)
I miss running missions out of N5Y too.
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Kuso Tabeteshine
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:50:00 -
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Another option would be to make the hit less severe if you refuse. The standings hit is something like 9.1 - 8.6. Then it takes like 10 missions to bring it back up. Why are these agents such a-holes???
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Ivas Tiffy
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gligan CCP wants players to play their game right!
I will never accept transport mission - 40k cargo for 800 lp , when I can do a quick kill for 8000, I won't accept anty empire mission, I like going in every end of the universe, I will not accept mission that is 4 jumps away.
So I refuse to do a 5 jumps mission, but recently refused a 40k cargo one. I'm not gonna ruin my standings by saying no , I'll just log out of eve and start looking for another game...
Hmm , CCP - is this what you want? Down time is BAD .
i suspect a troll
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Legende
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kuso Tabeteshine Another option would be to make the hit less severe if you refuse. The standings hit is something like 9.1 - 8.6. Then it takes like 10 missions to bring it back up. Why are these agents such a-holes???
I'd be fine with it if it was just a corp standing hit, but you lose faction too and that takes a lot longer than just 10 regular missions to make back since you can only earn it via storyline.
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Rothrin
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:25:00 -
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I get the best missions always around the 9.3(agent) standing mark, maybe just one of those things that work for me, but i always get AE and WC at 9.3, i would like to see the time brought down somewhat, but never be afraid to take a standing hit.
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