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Homardien
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Posted - 2010.08.09 17:44:00 -
[2641]
Supported
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Ibn Minion
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:31:00 -
[2642]
Hell YEAH!
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Tset Tsun
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Posted - 2010.08.09 23:21:00 -
[2643]
How can this NOT be supported.
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Norantio
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 05:05:00 -
[2644]
Wish I had more thumbs to point up
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Sha Dar
eXceeded
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Posted - 2010.08.10 05:18:00 -
[2645]
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Inturist
FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.08.10 06:14:00 -
[2646]
+1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Polideuco
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Posted - 2010.08.10 10:11:00 -
[2647]
/out of my permalurk to support basic common sense for bussines which want prosper in the long run
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Ferrus Manuss
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Posted - 2010.08.10 10:15:00 -
[2648]
Eve needs fixing.
Without eve they could not work on the other projects. we are funding them with our subs
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Noztra
The Red Dragoons Dragoon Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.10 10:43:00 -
[2649]
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WaiKin Beldar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:02:00 -
[2650]
Edited by: WaiKin Beldar on 10/08/2010 12:06:46 Quality > Quantity. Always. No matter what, where or who it takes for it.
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Susitna
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:24:00 -
[2651]
Here is hoping someone at CCP with the power to refocus their priorties reads and understands this post.
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Lex Striker
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:44:00 -
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In my 24 years of experience in software development, I have noticed a few things...
1) It is much easier to write new code than to fix old code. If one can find a software developer that can work with existing code, grab that sucker and hold on to them... they are a rare find. I usually see this as a good programmer that is flexible and without an ego... which is indeed a rare find.
2) It has been shown that it may take from 4-10 times the resources to fix an issue after it has been released than if it were caught in the design phase. Thus it is not cost effective from a management standpoint to fix things, but to just introduce new features. Perhaps CCP is getting to a level of corporate mentality and maturity where the bottom line is much more important than customer satisfaction or even the product they produce itself... which eventually happens to the best of them, I guess.
3) Many software developers who have made a name for themselves do not want to fix code. All they want to do is make new systems and move on. Thus, to keep some developers around, some companies must always have new projects... else these 'sacred cows' will leave to work somewhere else. I guess this is just the creative nature of these developers; and why some believe that software development is an art, not a science. Fixing coding and design issues just is not fun and may eventually show that some of these developers are not wearing any clothoes.
4) A company like CCP is made up of specialists. Many of those positions are based on new development. So what happens to these people when one goes back to fix problems?... lay them off until they are needed again? To let someone go and rehire someone else is to not only lose expertise, but also to require a retraining period for the new person, which may take a very long time... something management does not want to hear.
5) Everything is not always what it seems. Appearances are much more important than reality... and management has a great way of pretending that all is fine. In many ways, they have no choice, especially if the horses are already out of the barn and running everywhere.
6) I try to remember, it is not 'what' people do that really matters, as much as to 'why' they do it. It would appear that CCP management has decided on new features, over fixing and finishing old ones because it is to their benefit to do so... at least in their eyes and in the short term. 'Walking in Stations' and Dust 514 will bring two new types of customers into Eve... thus translating into $$$$!!!!. Fixing old issues for customers has NEVER generated new revenue. So CCP management is obviously looking to expand its revenue rather than make old customers happy. So what if half of the old customer base leaves? The new customer base will make up for it. Mangament problem solved! That is why most customers will treat their new customers much better than their old ones. It is all about 'new' business. Old business is like... well... old.
I think CCP is doing what is best for itself and it is up to us to either follow along like sheep or find something else. I believe CCP has done a great job overall in producing Eve Online. However, it is not always the 90% that works that is most visible... but the 10% that does not. In this case, that 10% is a 'deal breaker' for most of us... making the game unplayable for some of us.
I have little hope that CCP will change its development approach. It is just not to its benefit to do so, at this time. Until the bottomline starts to fail, will CCP change anything. With 'Walking in Stations' and Dust 515 coming out, I do not see that happening soon. I also expect the CSM to be disbanded as a failed experiment soon, as it did not support the objectives of CCP. Oh well. Perhaps all this too shall pass... we will see.
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Lex Striker
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.10 13:04:00 -
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One thing that really bothered me was when CCP said that it was making the CSM a 'stakeholder' in the company [looks confused]. I have played Eve Online for over two years now... when the hell I have NOT been a stakeholder in Eve Online? I guess I have just gotten to an age where MY TIME is worth more than money. Not only have I invested money, but I have also invested A LOT of my personal time here in EO. I can imagine how some that have invested their time from the EO beta and release must feel. If Eve Online goes away, all that personal time will be gone... there will be nothing left. So believe me, CCP... I AM a stakeholder in Eve Online and what happens here has a direct effect ON me personally.
Now I am also a realist and understand that EO will eventually go away. However, by the very nature of the game design, EO is a long term project type of endeavor. So do not tell me that I am not a stakeholder here. That is not something that CCP can bestow on anyone. It is what we as player/investors determine. CCP by rights may own EO and all aspects of it. But we as players morally own it too. If CCP management does not understand that, well... perhaps the end of EO has started to happen.
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GiggMaster
Eikpyrnir
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Posted - 2010.08.11 01:30:00 -
[2654]
Fully supported []'s GiggMaster |
Typhena
Eikpyrnir
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Posted - 2010.08.11 01:32:00 -
[2655]
Definitely --- Sig Under Construction |
yourdoingitwrong
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Posted - 2010.08.11 03:58:00 -
[2656]
supported fix the lag its past ridiculous now.
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.11 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lex Striker Edited by: Lex Striker on 10/08/2010 12:47:37 1) It is much easier to write new code than to fix old code. If one can find a software developer that can work with existing code, grab that sucker and hold on to them... they are a rare find. I usually see this as a good programmer that is flexible and without an ego... which is indeed a rare find.
It's yes but as a Quality Test developer I can affirm you these people exist.
Hunting bugs is a fun job too but it take indeed more times to sometimes just make a tiny change at the right place to close a strange behavior between two 'unrelated' packages.
CCP just need to invest more in their QA team but as you stated more new players = more new direct $$$$ the time the bug annoy everybody.
for Eve Space bugs are now the issues.
If CPP don't change it will be the same for DUST.
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Daxel Magmalloy
UK Corp -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.11 09:41:00 -
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'This is a proposal to ask CCP to evaluate their attitude...'
This was all I needed to read.
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LegendaryFrog
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:54:00 -
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Couldn't possibly support this more.
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Anubis208
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Posted - 2010.08.12 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Anubis208 on 12/08/2010 04:50:50 You know, CCP, if you actually fixed the game all 300 thousand of us (or so) would become a greater marketing tool than anything you could ever devise (except for mind control maybe :P). Seriously, if we all liked it and got others to join/ play dust 514, jsut think of the moneyyou'd rake in. This post is beyond fully supported by me and my corp.
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Qor'Esch
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:10:00 -
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/Signed |
Infinite Perdition
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Posted - 2010.08.12 15:17:00 -
[2662]
Supported!
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Jarguar
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Posted - 2010.08.12 15:25:00 -
[2663]
Great Idea!
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Uriel Winston
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:13:00 -
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nice! /support
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Xyrdiana
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:14:00 -
[2665]
/support
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No Mauk'Ob
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:06:00 -
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yes support ----------------------- Vice Admiral No Mauk'Ob Murientor Tribe Navy 1st MCW MURIE is Recruiting! |
Odelya d'Hanguest
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.13 08:36:00 -
[2667]
I approve this proposal.
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Project 69
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Posted - 2010.08.13 14:54:00 -
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supported even tho CCP still (imho) does an awesome job bringing us free and superb expansions.
but seriously... don't ever listen to what companies tell in their commercials and presentations.
Apple and MS are preaching for years that they "invented" something new and revolutionairy even tho it's still the same shiet in another color.
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Cromo Effect
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Posted - 2010.08.13 15:10:00 -
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All you guys are the biggest cry babies. "Gimmi this! Gimmie that!"
[s=5]Boo freakin woo!!!![/s=5]
CCP does a great job with all the free expansions and stuff every few months but yet you still complain.
I for one am looking forward to Incarna and DUST514. I am exstatic that DUST will not be on the PC. Too many cheaters using aim bots and stuff.
Learn to play the free content instead of constantly complaining. CCP will get to all that stuff when they get to it.
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Troll Bridgington
Heavy Metal Machine. Mostly Clueless
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Posted - 2010.08.13 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cromo Effect All you guys are the biggest cry babies. "Gimmi this! Gimmie that!"
[s=5]Boo freakin woo!!!![/s=5]
CCP does a great job with all the free expansions and stuff every few months but yet you still complain.
I for one am looking forward to Incarna and DUST514. I am exstatic that DUST will not be on the PC. Too many cheaters using aim bots and stuff.
Learn to play the free content instead of constantly complaining. CCP will get to all that stuff when they get to it.
You got something on your nose.
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