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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.05.30 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 30/05/2010 12:58:59 Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 30/05/2010 12:56:42 This is a proposal to ask CCP to evaluate their attitude towards Eve development and truly commit to developing excellent features instead of half-finished ones.
This years slogan of CCP was Excellence. They made posters and videos about it, and proudly displayed it at Fanfest. But for a company claiming to be dedicated to excellence, their eve-development does not reflect this. In fact, excellence is sacrificed time and time again to the big god of the release schedule and new features.
There are several examples of this lack of commitment to excellence: * CCP introduced Factional Warfare, but introduced it full of bugs and with game design that was shaky at best. And ever since introducing it have given it almost no extra (and much needed) development time and after care. * Dominion and Treaties. Dominion introduced a scalable, iterative system that would allow them to extend it and improve it. No improving has happened in the past 6 months. Even worse, the treaties we were promised seem to have vanished, and reliable sources indicate the Treaties development team was re-assigned to work on Planetary Interaction. * The Tyrannis introduction. POS's shooting blues and a complete screw up of the PI materials market. Both problems were predicted weeks before the release by players and I would honestly be surprised if nobody in CCPs QA department considered it. Yet nothing was done in time resulting in the massive screw up that happened post release.
So what IS excellence? Excellence is to go beyond what is merely 'good' or 'adequate'. In game design, it means adding features and extra's that arent stricktly required to make something playable, but make it more fun. This is illustrated by the following graphic:
www.mindsoup.org/stuff/excellence.png
As is common in software development, there is a subset of features that is sufficient to make something release-ready. Some features are more important than others, and the core features are usually identified at the start of development as 'Must Haves'.If it turns out that the development team may not have enough time, less important features ('Could Haves' and 'Should Haves' mostly) get cut. This way you can still meet your deadline with a functional product. However, as we established above, the minimum is never the same as excellence, because excellence is more than the bare minimum by definition.
Unfortunately, it seems CCP are content to STOP development on a feature when that feature is released. Even though parts of it got inevitably cut due to time constraints. This means they have not yet reached excellence.
This proposal requests that CCP establish at the start of develpment at which point that feature is 'excellent'. This (by definition) includes more features than the core 'Must Haves' to make it release-ready. Although they can still release it when it reaches 'release-ready', they should continue development until that point of 'excellence' is reached. This does mean features will require more development time (and therefore money), but if you want to be truly excellent, that is the price you pay.
Maybe some ritalin too In addition to CCP being willing to settle for stuff that is just adequate, they are also easily distracted by new shiny things. We can see this when the Treaties were shelved in favour of Planetary Interaction, and when Factional Warfare received no attention after it was released. The planners of CCP's development seem to run from one shiny new feature to the next like a kid on ADHD.
CCP will need to re-evaluate how much time is spent on old content and making that excellent, and how much time is spent on new features. Because due to Eve's competitive, single shard nature, small problems in various features may cascade and amplify eachother into big problems across the game. (cont.) Director of Education :: EVE University
CSM1 delegate and CSM3 chairman
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.05.30 13:04:00 -
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(cont.) It is important that old features are excellent before it is too late and we're covered in a huge pile of broken, half finished content.
Is CCP's frantic release schedule to blame? Are 6 months really enough time to develop new features AND improve old features AND fix bugs? While it is awesome to get two free expansions a year, isn't CCP risking quality in order to maintain quantity? Perhaps a release schedule of 9 months per expansion (so 2 expansions every year and half) will give them more time to develop existing features into Excellence, as well as developing new features into a good release-ready state.
tl;dr What we would like CCP to consider: * Continue developing features until they reach a predetermined 'excellence' level * Re-evaluate the amount of time allocated to fixing/developing old content and reduce the nonchalant attitude towards re-assigning teams to shiny new content. * Reconsider the total release schedule time: is it really sufficient to produce 'excellent' quality game design? Director of Education :: EVE University
CSM1 delegate and CSM3 chairman
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Ogogov
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Posted - 2010.05.30 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ogogov on 30/05/2010 13:28:30 Yes please.
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.05.30 13:45:00 -
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Supported, but I really will be surprised if CCP pay any attention to it.
They claim to be 50/50 split on developing new content and expanding old content, but it's getting increasingly hard to see where and what they are updating.
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Asuri Kinnes
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.30 14:12:00 -
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Supported.
I would even go so far as to say: "Push all existing, unreleased content back (unless its a part of previously released content) until existing, previously released content is up to the "excellent" or "finished" level..."
Of course I'm an extremist... but I'm an Eve Extremist!
Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist NO! |
Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.05.30 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mr LaForge on 30/05/2010 14:19:43 Supported. Its hard release dates and rigid schedules that have caused companies like EA to scrap quality assurance testing in favor of "We'll patch it after release" and they never do.
To be honest I didn't want PI, I wanted an Industry update(you know what I mean).
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Vespoi Filar
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Posted - 2010.05.30 14:45:00 -
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+1
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.05.30 15:22:00 -
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Very much supported.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.30 15:23:00 -
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Agreed
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Korr'Tanas
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.05.30 15:25:00 -
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+1
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.30 15:27:00 -
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We may need to press them a bit more on this topic..
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Vuk Lau
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.05.30 15:31:00 -
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As this is one of the main points Elvenlord and myself campaigned for i wholeheartedly support it.
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Tallon Maas
Panamax Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.30 15:34:00 -
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+1
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Dariah Stardweller
Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.05.30 15:35:00 -
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Diz thread needz MOAR support.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.05.30 15:53:00 -
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I will miss awesome expansions like TYRANIS that allows me to make a quick easy isks but supporting for a greater good.
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M Blanc
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Posted - 2010.05.30 16:20:00 -
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Tellnan Matkiel
The Industrial Consortium
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Posted - 2010.05.30 17:19:00 -
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Certainly supported. ____________ My views are my own |
dtyk
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Posted - 2010.05.30 17:33:00 -
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Yes, please! Stop ****ting on quality in order to increase quantity.
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Madner Kami
Durendal Ascending Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2010.05.30 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Madner Kami on 30/05/2010 18:02:53 Of course, pushing back new content till everything is 100% is utopic at best and rediculously insane at worst, but dedicating time to actually fix things from the past is imperative. An expansion can be absolutely fantastic, even without all too much new content, as long as it brings the outdated and faulty parts of the game to a ship-shape state. Keep your promises, CCP. This game is godly by default, but even gods vanish, when the worshippers turn away.
Oh and just to note it: I like the Tyrannis Expansion a whole lot. Things on my POSes now actually move as they're suppsoed to be -the tower graphic and jumpsgate graphics beeing ****ed up randomly, even when both screens show the same scene, still happens though-, EVE starts, loads, logs in and closes as fast as never before and it seems to run a lot more smoothly ingame. Also the idea of PI (and henceforth Dust) is jsut great. Keep that momentum, CCP.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.30 18:31:00 -
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Strogen Mkok
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.05.30 19:16:00 -
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Quality > Quantity.
/supported
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van Uber
Swedish Aerospace Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.30 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
tl;dr What we would like CCP to consider: * Continue developing features until they reach a predetermined 'excellence' level * Re-evaluate the amount of time allocated to fixing/developing old content and reduce the nonchalant attitude towards re-assigning teams to shiny new content. * Reconsider the total release schedule time: is it really sufficient to produce 'excellent' quality game design?
This lack of 'excellence' is right now the most urgent issue within EVE. .
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.05.30 19:53:00 -
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Defo.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.30 20:56:00 -
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 30/05/2010 21:16:39
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
tl;dr What we would like CCP to consider: * Continue developing features until they reach a predetermined 'excellence' level * Re-evaluate the amount of time allocated to fixing/developing old content and reduce the nonchalant attitude towards re-assigning teams to shiny new content. * Reconsider the total release schedule time: is it really sufficient to produce 'excellent' quality game design?
100% supported.
If CCP want to have 2 "HEY LOOK" headlines a year, which is a perfectly reasonable thing for an MMO company to want, then they should have 1 big NEW STUFF expansion and one smaller "Review" expansion where they fix, update and complete
EDIT: Ankh was right in the other, similar thread here: CCP are drawing on their credit with the playerbase with these continual half-finished, botched feature releases. Soon or perhaps already, people will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt and they will have no credibility left. They will cry wolf once too often.
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Tasty Morsel
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:13:00 -
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Jondo Marikesh
InWarp
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:31:00 -
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Waci
Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:43:00 -
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Agreed. We need this much more than any new features. Anyway, buffing AFs, EAFs and rockets would practically count as new content since it would make a bunch of relatively unused things viable.
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Douchie McNitpick
Money Liberation Services Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:50:00 -
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:50:00 -
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i have a feeling this should be brought up in a csm meeting too tbh.
definatly supported, oh and you diddnt even mentioin the terrible ui and general cleaning up of it, ie setting multiple jobs, still not possible after nearly 7 years?
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Batolemaeus
Money Liberation Services Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:50:00 -
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Evelgrivion
Ignatium.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:58:00 -
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Some features are more important than a release schedule, and for the long time players, its always these that get cut to meet the target date.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal It is important that old features are excellent before it is too late and we're covered in a huge pile of broken, half finished content.
I canceled my account today because of the broken status on everything: combat missions: broken - lvl 4's in 0.5's will always send you to lowsec mining: broken because CCP wants to let the macro miners set the price floor. POSes: broken, temporarily fixed, but will probably break again PI: probably broken, since it's so flat and bland, and rookies can do it as well as a veteran it will likely pay rookie income, not veteran income corp activity: broken by spacebook's 'leak information' default settings contact list: folders removed and won't be replaced/repaired because the label system is not robust enough to use Trade: didn't suicide ganks spike AFTER tyr? PVP: hooray for nerfing the deep safes that helped us get around game breaking lag Anything else not broken: expect it to get broken sooner or later. I'll be watching dev blogs and the associated discussions but I no longer expect anything positive out of EVE. |
Imigo Montoya
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:02:00 -
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Supported - if you want to claim "Excellent is what we strive to be", then strive for excellence, not sufficiency. |
Ix Forres
Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:05:00 -
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Agree with most of the points made, hope this is raised at a CSM meeting and sensible discussion on the topic is had. |
Ulviirala Vauryndar
Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:07:00 -
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Mesmerizing post. |
Thea Yulivee
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:10:00 -
[37]
+1
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:17:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Entity on 30/05/2010 22:17:02 Supported
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Got Item? | EVE API? | Cache? |
D Gelalder
Core Antum
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:17:00 -
[39]
I've simply got to agree with this.
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JackdeRipper
Die Imwaldtaetigen Gewalttaetigen
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:22:00 -
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MINESVSGANG
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:24:00 -
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Husonaut
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Husonaut on 30/05/2010 22:25:26
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Laura Meer
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:26:00 -
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Greg DaimYo
Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:29:00 -
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Awesome post Dierdra. I am 100 percent behind this, and I didn't vote for you.
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Kathraine Avila
Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:33:00 -
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And just to make sure how much this thing bugs me, I'll throw in another account of mine.
Seriously, if it needs to be done stop the development of new shinies and get the old stuff done properly first.
It's hitting your subscriber-numbers probably for the first time ever. Take the hint, please.
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Shalassason
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:36:00 -
[46]
supported (nothing more to say)
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Jaybird
Research Group
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:39:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Jaybird on 30/05/2010 22:39:18
Originally by: Shalassason supported (nothing more to say)
[orange]Only one image is allowed to be used in the signature. Second image has been removed. -Hango ([email protected][/oran |
Moresco
I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:49:00 -
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fully agree
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Dolgu
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:49:00 -
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Hardokan
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:55:00 -
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Skip Dust and bring "Eve Online - Revamp"
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Ashnazg
Corpse Collection Point
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:55:00 -
[51]
Thumbs up.
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uzi floozy
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:01:00 -
[52]
Supported!
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Bomberlocks
Star Bombers
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:02:00 -
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I could post a quote of the CCP dev promising to fix rockets last year in October or November after Dominion was released. It never happened.
/Signed
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Syzygium
Amarr Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:06:00 -
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+1 (fix rockets, jesus...)
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Starfinder Smith
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:27:00 -
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Yes!!
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eggtimer smith
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:28:00 -
[56]
Thank You D!
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Benilopax
Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:37:00 -
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I strongly support this proposal. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Fanfest 2010 |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:37:00 -
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From all I've seen, this is the root cause of every fight that the CSM has ever had with CCP. They want more, we want better. It's natural, given the incentives - we care most about having a game we like more, they care most about increasing the subscriber base - but it's not healthy. I think the CSM has the right side of this more so than CCP does, because subscriber retention is a massive sticking point for Eve.
But yes, this has always been Eve's biggest failing. Lots of cool-seeming new stuff, but the 20% that doesn't work and the 30% that's just crap leaves a pretty bad taste in our mouths, even when we think about the other half. This needs to be solved, and it's probably the single most important thing the CSM should e pushing for.
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Rutger Centemus
Dvice Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
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Sarah Dara
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:51:00 -
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Tanja Torture
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:08:00 -
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so right. Treaties hits the nail on the head.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Original Sin.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:38:00 -
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I cannot possibly support this topic strongly enough. Right on, Dierdra!
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Trebor Daehdoow
Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:49:00 -
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+1 to the thumb-train. Hopefully the subject of serious discussion next month.
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Enzu777
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:54:00 -
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/signed +1
Dear god ccp read this thread.. were all so sick of new shiny things that are half broken and sadly less then we had imagined.. rework all the old and existing features to make a great game.
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Ethos777
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:55:00 -
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/signed
Please Please Please please please please please please ccp read this thread
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:56:00 -
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i cant even stress how much i support this issue
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.05.31 01:05:00 -
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I saw at least one CSM person support here. Does this mean that we'll have this come up in the minutes? Can you bump this thread with the result?
Please?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.05.31 01:20:00 -
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Not just one CSM supporting it, Liang.
The issue has been discussed before, but never pursued by the CSM since it was an issue raised by Ankhesentepemkah. They preferred to argue with her about wording, rather than discuss the issue at hand.
I'd settle for "finishing" rather than "excellence". CCP, commit to finishing what you started rather than jumping to the next new thing and building up a huge technical debt.
This thread is a duplicate, by the way: [BRACKET] Urging CCP to work on current issues next expansion, CCP and "implement now, develop later",
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President Not'Sure
Shut Up Woman Get On My Horse
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Posted - 2010.05.31 01:25:00 -
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Agreed, quantity seems to be how they want to lure new players in but quality will help them retain players. If you get people here and they find that everything is half-finished they are just going to leave.
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Vladimiru
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimiru on 31/05/2010 02:02:15 Fix destroyers and assault frigates.
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.05.31 03:26:00 -
[71]
yes and yes
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Xavius IV
Eve Inc. - DE
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Posted - 2010.05.31 04:48:00 -
[72]
I fully support this proposal
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Maksim Cammeren
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Posted - 2010.05.31 04:49:00 -
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Strongly supported.
It makes sense that releasing new content helps to market the game and invite new players. However, I think that if the players are happy with the game, marketing through word of mouth can be just as or even more effective. And, unlike, other MMO's, this game doesn't need to release new dungeons just to keep the existing player base. PvP plus improvement of existing content would work just as well.
Look at Blizzard, a hugely successful company, some of whose games released 10 years ago are still being played today. There are not known as leaders in innovation. But every one of their games is very very polished. I think that is what really helped to set them apart.
Originally by: mkmin
I canceled my account today because of the broken status on everything: combat missions: broken - lvl 4's in 0.5's will always send you to lowsec mining: broken because CCP wants to let the macro miners set the price floor. POSes: broken, temporarily fixed, but will probably break again PI: probably broken, since it's so flat and bland, and rookies can do it as well as a veteran it will likely pay rookie income, not veteran income corp activity: broken by spacebook's 'leak information' default settings contact list: folders removed and won't be replaced/repaired because the label system is not robust enough to use Trade: didn't suicide ganks spike AFTER tyr? PVP: hooray for nerfing the deep safes that helped us get around game breaking lag Anything else not broken: expect it to get broken sooner or later. I'll be watching dev blogs and the associated discussions but I no longer expect anything positive out of EVE.
I am not trying to pick on you, but I think that this overly pessimistic attitude is not helpful. I see this from many people on the forums. Over-dramatizing things makes it easier for the devs to dismiss the issues as "just grumpy players". The new PI content and Dust does sound interesting and there were of speed improvements, lots of small fixes and tweaks in the last patch. A lot of work went into the patch and it made the game better. We should be trying to convince CCP that they should strive to make an excellent game, not tell them that everything they ever do just makes things worse.
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Favorite Dealer
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Posted - 2010.05.31 04:53:00 -
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thumbs up, dierdra.
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Elitess
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:00:00 -
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You nailed it, dierdra.
CCP has to be more conscientious with their developments.
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Dancing Ferret
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:06:00 -
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Xantec
The dark fourth Dimension
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:24:00 -
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Viking Express
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:25:00 -
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Lykouleon
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:32:00 -
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Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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Miep Miep
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 06:18:00 -
[80]
+1
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Tiomar Armalion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 07:03:00 -
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Alyssia Benar
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Posted - 2010.05.31 08:42:00 -
[82]
+1
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Hexentanz
The Eden Trading International Corporation Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.31 08:54:00 -
[83]
+1 ------ TETIC The Eden Trading International Corporation www.tetic.ch / German Trading Corporation |
Jurinak
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:03:00 -
[84]
100%
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:20:00 -
[85]
Not much to add except: supported! -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Uncoolio
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:30:00 -
[86]
+1
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Cruz Urden
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:45:00 -
[87]
Supported
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Alex Stokes
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:47:00 -
[88]
+1
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Orilt Ilunia
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:53:00 -
[89]
+1
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Vertigonal
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:55:00 -
[90]
....just right
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Ugly Eric
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Posted - 2010.05.31 10:09:00 -
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This is something I've been yelling for for a long time now. The mainlines of incarna are already released. How about the next update after incarna would be the "fixing old content" type of a update. And to the new players, I really think that it doesn't matter, how much new stuff they got. They new players don't know what they haven't had. It's pretty much only a marketing thing to get new players in every expansion.
Don't get me wrong. I do love to get free new shiny things twice a year. I really do. It makes me haveing a direction. But fixing a bunch of old things, would actually make as new content too. The industrial UI, AF's, Dessies, Rockets, Hel and so on. If these thingies were fixed, balanced and done to the level of exellent, it really would be new content to many, since they haven't ever used them due to their crappieness. Ehy train for AF, when knowing its crap. Why train t2 rockets, when they are useless. Why soesn't anybody train destroyer V to get the destroyer goos, but to get to interdictors.
Full support from here !!
Ugly Eric |
Norimarr
THE DEVIL'S BUTCHER
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Posted - 2010.05.31 10:20:00 -
[92]
+1 |
Hampler65
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2010.05.31 10:27:00 -
[93]
+1 |
Aniel Zaar
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 10:27:00 -
[94]
Please. |
Random MonDistinct
Alternative Innovations
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Posted - 2010.05.31 10:40:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Random MonDistinct on 31/05/2010 10:41:00 Supported.
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Jareck Hunter
Rubicon Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 10:43:00 -
[96]
Since i play this game (over 4 years now) there are threads like "Pos floggin the dead horse" or others for the ui or rolemanagment of corps. Basic features of the game, that really needs an revamp... but nothing happens.
Then we have the promised missing features... anybody remembering Storefronts or Fuelpackages for Poses or just Treaties.
PI, well i don't know what you thougt about it, but it's a bad overcomplicated browsergame, the little ugly brother of POS, just with more grinding and extremely more clicking. Let me gues only 1 Programmer 1 3D Artist and a Designer worked together to creat it in 4-5 Months (1 Month holiday during christmas and after Dominion)?
Maybe the people at CCP should look at the last Addons, remember what they wanted to archive (the big industrial addon Quantum Rise), look at the thinks they archived and then maybe rethink theyr idea of 2 addons a year.
I don't know if it's possible with EvE, but maybe it's possible to develop a feature and release it alone as an stand-alone-upgrade, when it's finished. So we would have smaller content upgrades every few months, but no big half arsed Addons every 6 Months. And the Team would have all the time they needed.
Just my 2 Cent. |
Robbl
Altera Pars Most Usual Suspects
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Posted - 2010.05.31 11:11:00 -
[97]
Supported.
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Mimma Lemnu
Full Contact
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Posted - 2010.05.31 11:27:00 -
[98]
vote for this
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Allen Heath
Nitsujsoft Enterprises High Treason Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 11:46:00 -
[99]
/excellent signed |
Sir SmellyFart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.31 11:52:00 -
[100]
It is CCP's fault I'm so smelly cuz of unfinished content.
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Andre Borowsky
Rubicon Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:21:00 -
[101]
+1
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adriaans
Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:28:00 -
[102]
Supported. More excellence and finishing what's being started please --signature-- Support the Field Command ship boost: Here |
Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:30:00 -
[103]
Supported and strongly encouraged.
These days it's difficult to find something in Eve that's not half-broken, left unfinished, or so antiquated it barely functions.
I'd rather a quality game than one stuffed with half-finished crap. |
FatFreddy
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:50:00 -
[104]
I concur.
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Aiko Tanaka
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:54:00 -
[105]
/signed
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:58:00 -
[106]
Too few new features in EVE currently are excellent.
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NereSky
Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:02:00 -
[107]
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Rudolf Miller
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:04:00 -
[108]
PLEASE!!!!
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Rilcon
Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:05:00 -
[109]
Very yes.
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Zara Teil
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:09:00 -
[110]
/signed |
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Commander Solo
Digital Fury Corporation Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:12:00 -
[111]
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k'ehana Atthour
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:15:00 -
[112]
CCP is spread too thin and its really begining to show, players have been calling for a slow down of new features releases and a re-working of older content for the last few years, now it seems the penny is dropping with ALOT more players.
The timescale for getting stuff polished is shocking, and Devs should really stop using the "Soon" meme coz its going to backfire "Soon"
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Saman Ayan
Lazy.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:15:00 -
[113]
supported
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Vanden
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:21:00 -
[114]
Sounds good. |
Jacques Rogue
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:29:00 -
[115]
Oui, I agree!
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Bombacla
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:29:00 -
[116]
+1 ----
Get pleasure out of the simple things in life. Stand on an ant |
Ygar Curele
Aura of Darkness Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:31:00 -
[117]
/signed
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4IROW
r.evolution 8 Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:33:00 -
[118]
yes please
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Tyrehl
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:35:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Tyrehl on 31/05/2010 13:35:51 Yes, please. Excellence. pew-pew |
Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:45:00 -
[120]
This sounds like a reaction to the address book obliteration that ccp are responsible for.
In which case, supported! - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
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lylaal
Onbekend.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:57:00 -
[121]
this needs to happen
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Chris Sandstorm
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:06:00 -
[122]
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Amantus
NibbleTek
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:06:00 -
[123]
yes ------------
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DigiFusion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:12:00 -
[124]
Totally agree, naturally CCP will ignore the lot though. New expansions = more press = more new subscribers which seems to be the goal.
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Novantco
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:12:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Novantco on 31/05/2010 14:14:11 Agreed, they need to stop ignoring a lot of stuff once it has been released.
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Allanon Wren
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:13:00 -
[126]
support
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zakjit
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:14:00 -
[127]
Fully support
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Jonathan Mcarthur
Ethipi
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:14:00 -
[128]
support
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Morax Marbas
Pretty Good Piracy
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:14:00 -
[129]
You have my Sword!
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John Cockcroft
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:14:00 -
[130]
Agree.
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Petteri Osala
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:17:00 -
[131]
Supported. Deidre you made a much better post than I was considering on the same subject, thank you.
To CCP, consider your position to a potential new costumer, let's call him Fred. Fred isn't going to play EVE if al he hears from existing players is complaining about stuff that isn't finished, documented or let alone 'polished'. Fred is probably going to play a game made by a company that uses the word 'polish' a lot. You might want to look into how that is working out for them. Though I don't want a sparkle pony.
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AlphaMeridian
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:24:00 -
[132]
How many pages of this do we need before the CSM is required to bring it up?
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Angelica Tharax
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:24:00 -
[133]
make it so.
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Ricc Deckard
ALTES EISEN Ferrum 26
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:26:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Morax Marbas You have my Sword!
And mine!! ---------- Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. |
Niebla Noir
Dead Pilots Society
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:30:00 -
[135]
+1
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Major PewPew
The Dark Horses Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:33:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Major PewPew on 31/05/2010 14:33:01 supporting |
Danlisa
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:34:00 -
[137]
Supported.
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Kruxxass
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:38:00 -
[138]
Count me in
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Hylax Ciai
Sensus Numinis Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:41:00 -
[139]
/signed
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Rexthor Hammerfists
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:43:00 -
[140]
supported.
Lowsec: Bounty Hunting Faction Warfare Pirating
Ships and mods
Mining -
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okcerg
WEPRA CORP Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:46:00 -
[141]
Edited by: okcerg on 31/05/2010 14:47:52 I support but it will never happen. Too much damage on their image. "CCP gives up on its 2-expansions-a-year policy to focus on old broken materials"... It would require a massive effort from PR department to spin that.
edit: spelling
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Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:48:00 -
[142]
+0,9999999... ;) -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:48:00 -
[143]
___________________
---[SAY NO TO CYNO-LOGISTICS]---
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Digger One
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:48:00 -
[144]
/signed
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Nils Nitrox
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:49:00 -
[145]
+1
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Garr Anders
Thukk U
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:50:00 -
[146]
supported! ----- Garr Anders
"The only winning move is not to play" is about the best damn advice anyone can get regarding arguing over the internet. - referring to the Movie WarGames 1983
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Shaikar
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:51:00 -
[147]
Supported.
Less, better features are always better than more, poorer ones. There is al awful lot of existing content that needs sorting out before more stuff should be shoehorned in.
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Simon Mance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:00:00 -
[148]
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balalor1
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:00:00 -
[149]
+1
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Angeli Domini
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:02:00 -
[150]
Supported - in my very personal dream world where there would be a chance that this proposal might actually change anything. Not that in reality, history already taught us otherwise...
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Panthera Lynx
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:03:00 -
[151]
Signed, in blood, from a person very dear to me.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:07:00 -
[152]
I support this proposal.
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AbosGER
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:07:00 -
[153]
supported |
Nyctef
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:17:00 -
[154]
Supported. |
Dismas Ofstedal
Dead Pilots Society
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:17:00 -
[155]
Supported.*
*But I toiled for 18 years in the Maintenance Dept. fixing the crap the development team released so I may be biased.
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Michail Zanuch
Swedish Aerospace Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:17:00 -
[156]
+1
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Rurudjla
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:18:00 -
[157]
/sign
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Tamarant
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:19:00 -
[158]
/signed |
SecondarySkipThat
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:22:00 -
[159]
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Buppas
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:22:00 -
[160]
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Master Akira
Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:24:00 -
[161]
Make it so.
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Cheimos
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:25:00 -
[162]
Supported.
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Alain Colcer
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:26:00 -
[163]
There are some things that in order to be fixed will need to be redesigned.
There are some things that in order to be fixed just need to be adjusted
There are some things that in order to be be fixed will need to be replaced by other things.
Totally supported.
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Keiko Shizuka
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:26:00 -
[164]
Yes, this is good.
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Dokschrauba
Sensus Numinis Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:26:00 -
[165]
/me fully signs this thread
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Mangala Solaris
Ma'adim Logistics Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:28:00 -
[166]
Showing my support to this. -------
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Youssef Daunch
Swedish Aerospace Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:30:00 -
[167]
Supported.
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Chir Ishi
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:32:00 -
[168]
Fantastic post, I totally agree.
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RedShadow
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:36:00 -
[169]
good post!
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Jathertyn Asan
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:40:00 -
[170]
I'd rather have 1 new working feature a year than 2 broken ones and forgotten ones.
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Sylar McIntyr
Konstrukteure der Zukunft Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:40:00 -
[171]
Go topic go !
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Bullen karlssson
Swedish Aerospace Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:41:00 -
[172]
Supported
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TheHulkGetTheHulk
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:43:00 -
[173]
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Bam Bash
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:47:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Bam Bash on 31/05/2010 15:47:16 +1
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Ariadna Lee
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:47:00 -
[175]
Supported.
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Hereon Herinnger
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:50:00 -
[176]
Supporting asking CCP to fix stuff without ranting like a 3 year old. Thank you.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:55:00 -
[177]
Originally by: okcerg Edited by: okcerg on 31/05/2010 14:47:52 I support but it will never happen. Too much damage on their image. "CCP gives up on its 2-expansions-a-year policy to focus on old broken materials"... It would require a massive effort from PR department to spin that.
edit: spelling
They got away with calling Tyrannis an 'Expansion' too
Just sell fixed content as new content without actually adding anything new.
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Vanhout
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:55:00 -
[178]
supported
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Phyrron
Gallente Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:55:00 -
[179]
/supported
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Qui Chen
Sensus Numinis Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:56:00 -
[180]
supported |
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Armenedia
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:58:00 -
[181]
supported
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Tsubutai
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:00:00 -
[182]
Supporting this.
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Zoon Muidac
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:02:00 -
[183]
Supporting this, last three expansion's have been terrible.
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WiZz4Rdger
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:02:00 -
[184]
supported
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Arela Xen
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:05:00 -
[185]
you are right, ccp: we are the people!
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Fukov Andie
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:06:00 -
[186]
absolutely
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Izo Azlion
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:09:00 -
[187]
Supported :)
Izo Azlion.
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Storsha
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:11:00 -
[188]
.
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FinalFlash84
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:12:00 -
[189]
./signed ------------ Final Flash Rokhasm |
Liquid Jane
Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:13:00 -
[190]
/sign
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D42 Electra
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:15:00 -
[191]
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SilentWinter
Los Chupacabras
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:16:00 -
[192]
supporting this __________________
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ToxicAid
Sensus Numinis Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:16:00 -
[193]
/signed ------------------------------------------------------ Non mortem timemus, sed cogitationem mortis _______________ Memento mori. |
ArmagedonLT
Resonance. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:21:00 -
[194]
supporting
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Koppa Seto
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:21:00 -
[195]
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Scramma
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:22:00 -
[196]
One more vote for better gameplay quality http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Eiter/rekrutierungs_header.jpg |
Leird
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:22:00 -
[197]
Supported.
Get your A**'s in gear and get with the show CCP.
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Swguru
Dead Pilots Society
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:25:00 -
[198]
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:26:00 -
[199]
7 pages and not a single troll , thats how EVE players are untied over this
+1
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Addicted User
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:30:00 -
[200]
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:34:00 -
[201]
Karma's Seal of Approval. You may have it.
(he bites, so be careful)
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Lexodrom
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:37:00 -
[202]
/ signed
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Kajan Tormen
Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:39:00 -
[203]
supported
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Pajama Sam
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:39:00 -
[204]
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Alkina
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:43:00 -
[205]
Supported
Still waiting on the Hel Fix from Dominion...
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Karlo Koks
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:43:00 -
[206]
supported!
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Jalif
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:45:00 -
[207]
Nice write up.
/supported
PVP-Videos: Jalification |
Emerald Cortess
Konstrukteure der Zukunft Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:47:00 -
[208]
Yes please! |
Asestorian
The Debonair
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:51:00 -
[209]
Absolutely supported.
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Cypro V
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:51:00 -
[210]
also supported
this game needs bugfixes instead of new content at the moment.
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KayTwoEx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:52:00 -
[211]
Supported but I don't think CCP will really care tbh, told them stuff like this for month and month now... I know I'm an ******* but thank you for reminding me. |
Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.31 16:55:00 -
[212]
+1
There are so many things that need attention. CCP - Pls fix these first and put the shiny things down until you do?
ty
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Tellenta
Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:01:00 -
[213]
I am posting! Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator |
Schwermetall
Intergalactic Serenity Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:02:00 -
[214]
Do it ______________________
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Lumy
eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:04:00 -
[215]
I wouldn't mind "release-ready" features, if I could be sure they would be developed to "excellence" over few next consequent expansions. Unfortunately this is almost never true.
So if this proposal is way to go, I wholeheartedly support it.
Joomla! in EVE - IGB compatible CMS. |
Si'ren
Pod Liberation Authority WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:05:00 -
[216]
supported.
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Fayn Trak
Myridian Trading Systems
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:06:00 -
[217]
Had this conversation just yesterday. |
Eaan Thurs
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:07:00 -
[218]
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3xcit3
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:08:00 -
[219]
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Rain Kaessinde
Thukk U
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:10:00 -
[220]
As a devout worshiper of all things shiny, and as a faithful prophet of Incarna... I fully support this sentiment.
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Alicia Murphy
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:12:00 -
[221]
this thread needs a bump for more support
/bump
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YannZeGeek
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:12:00 -
[222]
Supported!
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Farinet
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:18:00 -
[223]
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Uryence
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:19:00 -
[224]
Yes, this.
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Rahor Hara
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:20:00 -
[225]
support.
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SAI Peregrinus
Queens of the Stone Age Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:20:00 -
[226]
Supported. Expansions should not be regressions.
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Depili
Blood Works Inc. Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:23:00 -
[227]
definedly supported
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Acesulfam
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:23:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Acesulfam on 31/05/2010 17:25:14 Edited by: Acesulfam on 31/05/2010 17:25:00 Edited by: Acesulfam on 31/05/2010 17:23:48 supported
Fix Sov-Warfare! This is the endgame content ... shouldn't feel like goin to work with 72h brainless system camping.
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Noertti
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:25:00 -
[229]
Tired of endless bugs
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Klingon Admiral
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:28:00 -
[230]
I favor 1 GOOD addon/year over 2 mediocre addons/year...
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Lornnar
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:32:00 -
[231]
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Deszra
Blood Works Inc. Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:33:00 -
[232]
Edited by: Deszra on 31/05/2010 17:33:31 about time i'd say... +1
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solarwinds
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:34:00 -
[233]
Supportin'
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:34:00 -
[234]
now a reply with content. Releasing expansion just for the sake of adding something new is a terrible way to go. There have been issues that the player base has been complaining about since I started playing this game. CCP really lets the player base down when they continually put off actually fixing and improving the game to instead release so called new content so they can introduce new and even less exciting bugs to this game. I haven't had the opportunity to enjoy the majority of the bugs, however my current favorite is how the overview stops working, that one is awesome way to be pro CCP.
How about you folks actually start caring about game play a little more as opposed to focusing on the newest way to cripple this game. Unless you have no idea how in which case own up to it so I can stop looking forward to fixes. Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator |
Skyburn Fireblade
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:35:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Skyburn Fireblade on 31/05/2010 17:35:31 I, as well, support this.
EDIT: Tellenta with the combo breaker. I need more alts.
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Dairaen
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:35:00 -
[236]
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Lantiane
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:36:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Lantiane on 31/05/2010 17:35:55 +1
Supported
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Otory Rift
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:36:00 -
[238]
+1
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Kronn Lor
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:36:00 -
[239]
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:48:00 -
[240]
I support this proposal. Become a company known for excellence, not one known for sloppy practices and corruption.
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Skeltem
Free Space Initiative
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:53:00 -
[241]
Supported
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:53:00 -
[242]
Supported. ----------------------------------------------- www.eve-arena.com
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Neti Keire
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:56:00 -
[243]
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Weynard
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:00:00 -
[244]
Ich unterstntze dieses Projekt.
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Safran Foer
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:00:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Safran Foer on 31/05/2010 18:01:08 yes please (with cherries on top)
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Mansirix
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:01:00 -
[246]
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Sienuhe
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:06:00 -
[247]
Definitely yes!
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Tina Tesla
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:06:00 -
[248]
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Cepher
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:08:00 -
[249]
Yes please.
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biggs darkfighter
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:09:00 -
[250]
supported
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Vaddy GAC
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:13:00 -
[251]
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Elistara Eldore
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:14:00 -
[252]
yes , supported
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Kirzath
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:17:00 -
[253]
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GC100224
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:21:00 -
[254]
/signed
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Keeves
Dead Pilots Society
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:28:00 -
[255]
It's sickening how bad we CCP to get their ass in gear. The Tyrannis expansion is a perfect example of not enough time put into developement, and even though they supposedly had their entire team on the task of releasing it, it still was a god awful release.
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Cadence Abergnathy
FLASHTROOPER CORP Quarantine Zone
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:31:00 -
[256]
thumbs up!!
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Andilein
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:39:00 -
[257]
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Kyrlin DiShai
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:40:00 -
[258]
Supported.
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Siria Ebras
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:41:00 -
[259]
yes please!!! |
BuRniZZ
Caldari The Warped Corpe The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:45:00 -
[260]
Since I'm horrible with words I'll just say +1. VERY MUCH +1. Please, please.
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Craig Jones
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:46:00 -
[261]
supported
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Syrous Brokka
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:49:00 -
[262]
Supported.
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Kushan
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:55:00 -
[263]
Yes please.
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Criegor
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:55:00 -
[264]
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Lord's Servant
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:56:00 -
[265]
hells yes!!!!
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glepp
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:03:00 -
[266]
YES! Supported!
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Viperous Stark
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:03:00 -
[267]
Edited by: Viperous Stark on 31/05/2010 19:03:48 +1
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:04:00 -
[268]
This is indeed exactly where CCP falls down in their process. They'd do well to listen.
-- Terminal Impact is recruiting PVPers for fun ops in lowsec/0.0/wormhole space. Visit our website or join ingame channel "the tict pub". |
leboe
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:09:00 -
[269]
tyranids is the worst expansion
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Raukho
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:15:00 -
[270]
OP might have a point ^^
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Weeman
Intergalactic Serenity Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:18:00 -
[271]
Supported.
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Judge Them
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:21:00 -
[272]
signed
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Sakco
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:25:00 -
[273]
Edited by: Sakco on 31/05/2010 19:25:10 /signed
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viliar
Whimmy Wham Wham Wozzle
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:26:00 -
[274]
Supported
I wouldn't even mind the next expansion having no new content at all, if it fixed and updated some features like FW and the goddamn UI. Please listen to this chappie CCP.
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Racnim Sinedia
New Eden Recon Force Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:27:00 -
[275]
/supported
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The Chupacabra
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:29:00 -
[276]
Agreed; make the already best internet-spaceships game a truely excellent game.
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Axxe Nommag
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:31:00 -
[277]
/signed
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Cistral
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:31:00 -
[278]
+1 |
Kerzack
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:31:00 -
[279]
More Fixes > Broken Features
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Iakop
Gallente Insanity Reigns
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:33:00 -
[280]
Edited by: Iakop on 31/05/2010 19:33:38 Supported.
Edit: How can i put the thumbs up to the left?
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Master XiaXun
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:34:00 -
[281]
Edited by: Master XiaXun on 31/05/2010 19:34:06 Supported, please fix our broken features CCP
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Roi Beatty
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:34:00 -
[282]
Just because an expansion (which it wasn't) is free (which it isn't) doesn't mean it can be ****ty (which it is).
Right on spot, Dierdra. Claiming excellence when not even being release ready IS fail. I assume the eve customer base, unlike a management steering board, is much more happy about some high quality content even after severe delay then meeting a deadline with something half baken.
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Blink Ratard
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:35:00 -
[283]
i believe
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Del ReyII
Shadow Research Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:35:00 -
[284]
Everybody cheers when this was announced at fanfest 2009. It signaled a new attitude and commitment from CCP on fixing EVE. So far we have seen none of this.
Most definitely supported.
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Reiisan
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:35:00 -
[285]
+1 [i]Isn't it time you learned to fight back?[i]
Agony Homepage |
Miss Granger
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:37:00 -
[286]
Edited by: Miss Granger on 31/05/2010 19:42:05
Originally by: Iakop Supported.
Edit: How can i put the thumbs up to the left?
There is a check box just above the submit button (or update button if you are editing the post) that says "Check here if you want to give your support..." - check it
Also - sounds like a good proposal to me - I for one would like to see features reach their potential and be a bit late rather than land on time but bring bugs and/or poor functionality with them. [i]Isn't it time you learned to fight back?[i]
Agony Homepage |
aahhhhrrrgg
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:39:00 -
[287]
true true
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:40:00 -
[288]
COSMOS missions and storyline items anyone?
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Feltros
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:41:00 -
[289]
In my experience this is often the difference between hiring hobbyist programmers straight out of college and paying a proper amount to university qualified 'developers'. I really wonder what criterion CCP have to determine quality of development staff.
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Shieu Chang
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:43:00 -
[290]
Definite yes
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Hiauki
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:48:00 -
[291]
supported
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Skrewedup
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:48:00 -
[292]
Agreed. 100%
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Batzu Newless
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:58:00 -
[293]
+1
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Pagefault
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:03:00 -
[294]
/me hopes for a fix of the never ending lag story
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Spikum
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:03:00 -
[295]
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Fishtanked
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:06:00 -
[296]
no ♥ for ccp
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Hermaphrodiety
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:07:00 -
[297]
---------------------------------------------
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Maxxi
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:07:00 -
[298]
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Raist Varis
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:08:00 -
[299]
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Ged Hawkins
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:08:00 -
[300]
Support.
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iHunter
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:08:00 -
[301]
-------------------------------------------------- Fast GTC-Service - contact iHunter ingame. |
Kenneth McCoy
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:08:00 -
[302]
Well said.
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Tom McCash
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:09:00 -
[303]
supported
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Grimouri
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:09:00 -
[304]
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Edward Hadon
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:09:00 -
[305]
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iPanix
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:09:00 -
[306]
Definatly supported.
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Chronical
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:11:00 -
[307]
we are the people
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Hausmeister Krause
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:11:00 -
[308]
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GATLER
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:12:00 -
[309]
Edited by: GATLER on 31/05/2010 20:12:17 supported
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Ardil
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:13:00 -
[310]
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Beardponderer
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:13:00 -
[311]
Do iit
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Larg Kellein
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:14:00 -
[312]
Here, have some support and an interweb.
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Fringi
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:14:00 -
[313]
Edited by: Fringi on 31/05/2010 20:14:08 supported
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Rockefeller 2010
TS-Crop
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:14:00 -
[314]
+1
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Great Jugger
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:14:00 -
[315]
signed
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LtCol Laurentius
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:16:00 -
[316]
QFT. CCP can claim what they want, but atm excellence is sadly just another word in the bull**** bingo.
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Veronna
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:16:00 -
[317]
Do 'dis ****
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Quass
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:16:00 -
[318]
Agreed. I have enough to keep me busy for a while, but some extra polish could make things a lot more enjoyable!
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Lord TYMAN
Concrete and Sons Inter-Imperial Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:17:00 -
[319]
/support
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SilentSchof
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:17:00 -
[320]
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StoneOld
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:18:00 -
[321]
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AllY M
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:18:00 -
[322]
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Jeremia West
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:18:00 -
[323]
agreed
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Tomz0r
G-Force Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:19:00 -
[324]
/support
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:19:00 -
[325]
Yes, some of the features mentioned in the OP do definitely need additional work. Especially faction war.
And Tyrannis, too, would have profited greatly by another month or two of dev-time to make sure the "features" (e.g. new contact list) are not merely breaking existing tools.
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Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:19:00 -
[326]
Edited by: Max Torps on 31/05/2010 20:19:57 Supported, definitely. It's a crying shame we even have to post about it. Fake edit smiley.
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Hsu Li
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:20:00 -
[327]
I fully support this
+1
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maulandine
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:20:00 -
[328]
signed.
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Caldicott
Pod Liberation Authority WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:21:00 -
[329]
supported
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Jamus Gorrelius
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:21:00 -
[330]
Big thumbs up
If you look at the situation were in now, with the release of dominion there was this incredible lag that was created and we as the player base have to suffer this in a daily basis, yet the fix for this problem has been pushed back and there is still no light at the end of the tunnel.
Now look at the latest expansion weve got reports comming in of the lag being even worse than it was post dominion, these things that effect the subscribers play time and enjoyment should realy come 1st.
Bugs we have a ton load of bugs but we yet see fixes for things that arnt broke?
CCP need to realy start waking up and and taking care of this game other wise they will have a very small player base when DUST is released.
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Mark726
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:23:00 -
[331]
Agreed ----
I'm playing Eve and I'm Still Alive
EVE Travel |
Sun MaiTzu
Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:23:00 -
[332]
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Mairon Deadeye
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:24:00 -
[333]
Edited by: Mairon Deadeye on 31/05/2010 20:24:58 bitter vet supportin'
Originally by: CCP Prism X First rule of Dev-Club: "Never give them hope!"
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Tarantoga
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:25:00 -
[334]
supporting
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Eldiora Trade
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:25:00 -
[335]
I fully support what DV wrote
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Seraphina Oriana
Disciples of Night DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:27:00 -
[336]
Agreed
Tales of the Clan Oriana - http://www.clan-oriana.com |
tobs
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:29:00 -
[337]
Do Eit , Just Do Eit!
p.s. wtf do elephants have to do with anything
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Ace Avery
Gallente Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:29:00 -
[338]
Agreed! We can't stop here! This is bat country! |
BIackpriest
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:30:00 -
[339]
Edited by: BIackpriest on 31/05/2010 20:30:33 signed
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MooCowofDom
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:32:00 -
[340]
supported |
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Treaton Rhumburac
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:33:00 -
[341]
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C Blacke
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:33:00 -
[342]
Support it
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Rettic
Project Copernicus
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:35:00 -
[343]
Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. __
Rettic's Log: The Chronofile Rettic on Twitter |
Sliver Dragon
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:39:00 -
[344]
yes, start offering a focused, polished product instead of shoddy third-world sweatshop product that tries to do too many things and fails at all of them. - What value, honor? In a world without betrayal? What value, courage? In a world without cowardice? What value, charity? In a world without greed? What distinction, good? In a world without evil? |
MooCowofTwist
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:40:00 -
[345]
supported
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Capitain Django
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:40:00 -
[346]
signed
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Julien Perlmutter
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:40:00 -
[347]
/signed
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Zerkuron
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:42:00 -
[348]
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Sao DaSilva
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:44:00 -
[349]
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:45:00 -
[350]
CCP Marketing needs to understand that what drives uptake isn't advertising and whizbang new stuff, but players pulling in their friends. And we do that when we can sell them on stuff that's actually AWESOME. Not where the idea is awesome, but where it's ACTUALLY awesome.
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Neele Liisa
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:45:00 -
[351]
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Jeryk Aquila
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:46:00 -
[352]
This needs top priority.
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:47:00 -
[353]
Please
A Pirates Perspective
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Valkyr13
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:48:00 -
[354]
+1 |
Tactical Retreat
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:48:00 -
[355]
Yes please.
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Mr Waldschrat
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:48:00 -
[356]
signed
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Prinzzesin
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:55:00 -
[357]
do it!
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Rhaegor Stormborn
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:58:00 -
[358]
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U30 Fox
Altera Pars Most Usual Suspects
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:00:00 -
[359]
support it
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Jackson Brown
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:01:00 -
[360]
Edited by: Jackson Brown on 31/05/2010 21:01:13
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space gator
|
Posted - 2010.05.31 21:01:00 -
[361]
agreed... |
Calistai Huranu
Gaping Axe Wound Promotions
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:09:00 -
[362]
Supported
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Dodgy Past
Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:09:00 -
[363]
Prove those of us that giggled when CCP started talking about this wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Nooto
Dragon Clan Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:09:00 -
[364]
nothing to add you named the point BEWARE!!!
All text above this sig represents my personal opinion. This in no way reflects the views of my corporation or alliance |
r33f4b
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:13:00 -
[365]
100% supported.
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Hotsync
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:13:00 -
[366]
Agreed with OP. 13 pages and counting and not even a mention from CCP, very nice.
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Silk75
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:13:00 -
[367]
+1
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Doomed Predator
GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:16:00 -
[368]
Supporting The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
Wongnim
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:17:00 -
[369]
Supported
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Darus Te'rashad
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:17:00 -
[370]
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Lord Wulfengheist
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:18:00 -
[371]
Yar!
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Tributor Hestark
|
Posted - 2010.05.31 21:20:00 -
[372]
Supported
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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:22:00 -
[373]
+1
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Jamshid Yonah
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:23:00 -
[374]
Whole-heartedly supported.
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Villa Wolfsbane
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:24:00 -
[375]
+1
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Bone
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:24:00 -
[376]
+1
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MicanG
|
Posted - 2010.05.31 21:27:00 -
[377]
+1
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Galen Case
|
Posted - 2010.05.31 21:30:00 -
[378]
Supported
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Hobar Mellow
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:32:00 -
[379]
+1 |
Jaepee Dee
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:33:00 -
[380]
+1
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sam0r
Steel Armed Forces Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:35:00 -
[381]
/signed |
Haku Cabal
The Versatile Business System
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:37:00 -
[382]
You have my axe!
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Trypho
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:40:00 -
[383]
---
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etstoo
|
Posted - 2010.05.31 21:43:00 -
[384]
Edited by: etstoo on 31/05/2010 21:43:15 to bloody right!
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Dark Damus
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:51:00 -
[385]
agreed
+1
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Tarisa Kalosa
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:55:00 -
[386]
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Tehad Nebula
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:56:00 -
[387]
+1
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Drinak
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:58:00 -
[388]
Edited by: Drinak on 31/05/2010 21:58:24 This is a well made and cogent point. New stuff is good, but with enough letdowns our enthusiasm will diminish. There have been many great initiatives by CCP, but as long as they remain half (or less) finished they will continually erode our faith in CCP.
Take the time to fix the bugs, polish up the features and tie up the loose ends. Enough is enough! |
Lanal Tanak
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:59:00 -
[389]
Please, please please make it so!
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:00:00 -
[390]
This is a great example of the bigger-picture sort of issues that the CSM should be discussing (as opposed to quibbles over tracking-this and falloff-that).
Wholeheartedly supported.
/Ben
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Dri'Kan
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:00:00 -
[391]
Edited by: Dri''Kan on 31/05/2010 22:00:47
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
tl;dr What we would like CCP to consider: * Continue developing features until they reach a predetermined 'excellence' level * Re-evaluate the amount of time allocated to fixing/developing old content and reduce the nonchalant attitude towards re-assigning teams to shiny new content. * Reconsider the total release schedule time: is it really sufficient to produce 'excellent' quality game design?
This.
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Lost Wander
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:03:00 -
[392]
I'd be happy with 1 expansion and an 'excellence' release a year.
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Fellet
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:05:00 -
[393]
Deffo!
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Astro Glide
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
|
Posted - 2010.05.31 22:08:00 -
[394]
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Makenshi Drakonnen
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:10:00 -
[395]
Supported, I've been a fan of extending development cycles if it means a better expansion in the end.
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Kwa Zulu
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:11:00 -
[396]
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dr meathammer
|
Posted - 2010.05.31 22:11:00 -
[397]
Edited by: dr meathammer on 31/05/2010 22:11:34 I agree with this. 100% supported
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Spectra Damaslaus
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:16:00 -
[398]
Supported
+1
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Sara Letha
The Flying Pandamonium
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:17:00 -
[399]
Supported
+1!
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Khanda Rahl
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:20:00 -
[400]
Agree completely - Finish what you start, CCP! I dread to think what things will be like when Dust is released and resources have to be balanced between games as well...
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Ab Tallen
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:24:00 -
[401]
Supported...
I started a list of stuff that "hasn't been iterated on", but it's just too sad...
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Lytharius
Ascent Network Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:26:00 -
[402]
"Die Philosophie ist ein Kampf gegen die Verhexung unseres Verstandes durch die Mittel unserer Sprache." - Wittgenstein
"Wir leben alle unter dem gleichen Himmel, aber wir haben nicht alle den glei |
Amras Arnatuile
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:26:00 -
[403]
Crashed a node yesterday with a 50 man fleet. How is this excellence?
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Kazruw Drol
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:39:00 -
[404]
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Levitikon
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:39:00 -
[405]
++
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coeathal vega
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:43:00 -
[406]
supported... doesn't fit CCP's business model though :) ----
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Valcania
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:47:00 -
[407]
agreed
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Secluse
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:49:00 -
[408]
100% support this proposal.
I would be happy if CCP was 'good' at releasing new features (i.e. do not break legacy code, and new features work as intended), let alone 'excellence'.
I wish my work allowed me to deliver this quality of work to my clients.
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Fal 'Ngeestra
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:01:00 -
[409]
+1 |
Shadow K
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:02:00 -
[410]
100% supported. I don't need 2 new expansions every year. I need a Game that works the way it should.
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NightyHawk
Twinstar Universal Services
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:02:00 -
[411]
I support this to 100%.
It would be so great if CCP would think about going back to the roots. What about the "Need for speed" campaign? When we have a look at the current situation in Eve we all realize that nobody thought about it in the last two expansions.
There is so much potential in Eve if somebody would just think beyond the next expansion/release. What about the idea of T3 ships? We have cruisers in the game but I have never seen that there will be the important next step.
There are so many examples. CCP please build on the existing features and don't introduce new ones which will remain in the game unfinished for years. |
Batolemaeus Junior
Money Liberation Services Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:06:00 -
[412]
Hey look, it's page 14
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Thercon Jair
Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:11:00 -
[413]
Reign in the lagmonster ;)
+1 Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar! |
Murdah
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:12:00 -
[414]
+1
Occasional patches that are something other than EMERGENCY FIX would be nice, between expansions...
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Elcric Liborob
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:23:00 -
[415]
+1
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:25:00 -
[416]
Edited by: Lusulpher on 31/05/2010 23:24:59 Hoping my vote pushes consensus closer to unanimous...+1
Supporting gaming "excellence"... +1
Getting CSM to hammer it home this year... +1
CCP actually evolving to meet their goal...Priceless.
Creative Customer Person 7 |
Andrew Candless
Black-Wing Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:26:00 -
[417]
I fully support this. As for now, Tyrannis is the worst expansion ever in EVE. And i fear for the worst when PI will finally be introduced on June, 8th.
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Shinzann
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:29:00 -
[418]
+1 === Q u o t e: If the servers aren't up, its not a hotfix. |
Siricco
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:34:00 -
[419]
#1
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Aiifa
Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:41:00 -
[420]
I'm sympathetic with what I perceive is CCP's problem here, that they just have *too* many good ideas -- I sometimes leave projects unfinished so I can get the next ludicrous concept that has sprung into being in my head into some concrete form.
But they're a big, organized company that I pay to be awesome. So I'd like them to do it properly
If they're simply running out of employees to get the work done, I'd be very happy to move to Iceland...
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Anarra Khouri
Lions Of Judah Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:42:00 -
[421]
This is exactly what we need.
Make us love this game even more through polishing it!
And please fix the UI...
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Beanard
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Posted - 2010.05.31 23:42:00 -
[422]
Yes please!
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Laruant
|
Posted - 2010.05.31 23:46:00 -
[423]
+1
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Destoya
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:00:00 -
[424]
+1
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Robert Sorbon
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:22:00 -
[425]
I agree with this recommendation to put more emphasis on getting things put right on existing aspects before moving on to implementation of new things
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Mizuchi VaanDais
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:31:00 -
[426]
Supported
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Amon Fyre
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:31:00 -
[427]
+1
Originally by: Gone'Postal Don't worry hunny, With your transversal I might as well be shooting blanks.
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Tobias Xiaosen
Total Xenophobia Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:32:00 -
[428]
Fully supported ~ CURRENT INTERNETS = + 393646 |
Destrachan Quest
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:44:00 -
[429]
+1
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Myrhial Arkenath
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:50:00 -
[430]
Signed. Where's my pirate factional warfare?
CEO | Blog |
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bundyrum
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:56:00 -
[431]
signed....
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Quacka
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:57:00 -
[432]
Support. Bravo. Beautiful!
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Magos Alleciae
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:58:00 -
[433]
Edited by: Magos Alleciae on 01/06/2010 01:03:47 I hereby sign my illustrious name under external influences that threaten my livelyhood, my family, and my pets.
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Athereon
The Wyld Hunt Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:00:00 -
[434]
+1. My Mum said always finish what you start.
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Qui Binder
Dead Pilots Society
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:00:00 -
[435]
Sure --- Dead Pilots Society, Director of Diplomacy. |
Shinjiekou
New Eclipse
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:03:00 -
[436]
Edited by: Shinjiekou on 01/06/2010 01:03:49 +1 |
Fishslapper
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:05:00 -
[437]
+1
PI wont gain you any customers... Lag will certainly lose you customers...
Get with it CCP...
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Ga'len
Hellhounds. HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:06:00 -
[438]
I might actually come back to EVE full time if they would actually release working product, not this half finished garbage.
SCRUM only works when you release an iteration of COMPLETELY WORKING SOFTWARE.
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Errol Sahuq
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:08:00 -
[439]
Supported.
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Sigvald Gottschalk
Paradox.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:10:00 -
[440]
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Draco Carollis
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:18:00 -
[441]
Supported
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Keylos
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:21:00 -
[442]
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Rahwin
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:22:00 -
[443]
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Humble Epidemic
NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:29:00 -
[444]
amen op. fix it ccp. with lag in particular. i mean srsly? great job... >.>
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Terrible Lie
Unfortunate Incidents
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:30:00 -
[445]
Fully Support.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:39:00 -
[446]
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Sam Twitch
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:41:00 -
[447]
oh please, make it happen |
Carranthir
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:41:00 -
[448]
+1
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Finnroth
The Guardian Agency Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:43:00 -
[449]
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Mr John22ta
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:43:00 -
[450]
Supported 100%
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Jeschli
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:46:00 -
[451]
+1
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Ronin Nazuri
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:51:00 -
[452]
Agreed.
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Eskalin
Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:52:00 -
[453]
+1
If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
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Don Pellegrino
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:02:00 -
[454]
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Xylopia
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:03:00 -
[455]
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Hyssar
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:03:00 -
[456]
Eve online feels like a game that has never left beta stage.
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Dax Buchanan
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:10:00 -
[457]
supported
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SN1P3R001
Zero Damnation Total Damnation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:16:00 -
[458]
Epic support. Roo Depths Unkown |
Ticod
Dychotomy
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:16:00 -
[459]
Supported! You find that lag monster and shoot him in the face.
1000 vs 1000 player fights used to happen before apoc/dominion. Granted laggy, but you could have guns manually cycle on a released node.
Now its impossible to even do a 400 vs 400..... No point in having an 'awesome' fleet finder, if when you get in the fleet all you see is black screens and can't cycle your guns!
I don't care how shiney the planets are. Make the game work really, REALLY well before you add new content
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Takate
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:20:00 -
[460]
Edited by: Takate on 01/06/2010 02:20:11 +1
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Qeacka
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:24:00 -
[461]
Edited by: Qeacka on 01/06/2010 02:23:57 Supported
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Baka Lakadaka
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:30:00 -
[462]
I'll support it on the grounds that the proposal highlights player concerns over quality, but without expectation that CCP will modify their approach.
Best case would be that CCP puts a little more attention/effort into quality control. ______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University |
Sammi Sagewith
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:31:00 -
[463]
totally supported. I would rather have quality over quantity anyday. Especially in Eve
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sdchew
Jazz Associates Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:37:00 -
[464]
Strongly support.
CCP should create a Top 10 list of issues and fix them in place of 1 expansion cycle.
The day that EVE is truly bug-free, the EVE Gate will probably go super nova and kill us all. |
Ubba Kjartan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 03:09:00 -
[465]
supported |
ChiefAlex
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Posted - 2010.06.01 03:21:00 -
[466]
+1 |
Fayceoff
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.01 03:22:00 -
[467]
Well put, Dierdra |
Aramaki Makisan
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.01 03:23:00 -
[468]
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Gloryhunter Prime
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Posted - 2010.06.01 03:27:00 -
[469]
Support!!! Tired of half finished stuff!!!
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Jack Mancetti
Rennfeuer Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 03:34:00 -
[470]
Oh yes !!
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SuperRanger
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Posted - 2010.06.01 03:55:00 -
[471]
agree
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BobbaPhett
Annihilate.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 03:59:00 -
[472]
+1 here |
AZRIEL PAZZUZU
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Posted - 2010.06.01 04:00:00 -
[473]
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Atherin Gaius
Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.06.01 04:03:00 -
[474]
Originally by: Ticod Supported! You find that lag monster and shoot him in the face.
1000 vs 1000 player fights used to happen before apoc/dominion. Granted laggy, but you could have guns manually cycle on a released node.
Now its impossible to even do a 400 vs 400..... No point in having an 'awesome' fleet finder, if when you get in the fleet all you see is black screens and can't cycle your guns!
I don't care how shiney the planets are. Make the game work really, REALLY well before you add new content
We couldn't even do a 140 vs 142 today.
100% supported.
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Monkey Punch
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Posted - 2010.06.01 04:04:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Atherin Gaius
Originally by: Ticod Supported! You find that lag monster and shoot him in the face.
1000 vs 1000 player fights used to happen before apoc/dominion. Granted laggy, but you could have guns manually cycle on a released node.
Now its impossible to even do a 400 vs 400..... No point in having an 'awesome' fleet finder, if when you get in the fleet all you see is black screens and can't cycle your guns!
I don't care how shiney the planets are. Make the game work really, REALLY well before you add new content
We couldn't even do a 140 vs 142 today.
100% supported.
+1 and +1 to the thread
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Erynyes
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 04:26:00 -
[476]
Edited by: Erynyes on 01/06/2010 04:27:06 +1
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Meno Theaetetus
Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 04:58:00 -
[477]
Edited by: Meno Theaetetus on 01/06/2010 04:57:54 At this rate we'll be lucky to do a 10vs10 in a couple of expansions time.
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Carver DiGriz
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:01:00 -
[478]
Have to agree. Eve is such a good game, so please just cool it with the frenzy and too-soon orphaned ideas and unleash the excellence. You can do it CCP. |
Balrighian
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:06:00 -
[479]
+1
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Marf Syzlak
Minmatar Self Destruct Supplys United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:09:00 -
[480]
\o/
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Dr Hawki
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:13:00 -
[481]
+1
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Lakados
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:19:00 -
[482]
Supported. Quality >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quantity
We don¦t need moar lalalala Features, we need a better Eve
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Yarkhan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:23:00 -
[483]
+1
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Telephone Service
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:34:00 -
[484]
Signed wholeheartedly.
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Valen Zalkos
Gallente Grey Nomads
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:35:00 -
[485]
+1
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Ed Rush
Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:48:00 -
[486]
I propose CCP to outsource software development to Blizzard.
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KidPaddle
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:51:00 -
[487]
+1
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HerrCO
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Posted - 2010.06.01 05:53:00 -
[488]
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Sixpeo
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:05:00 -
[489]
+1
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groseilles
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:06:00 -
[490]
+1
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myrtilles
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:07:00 -
[491]
+1
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Mr Garo
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:08:00 -
[492]
I, for one, fully support this.
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Orithien Veladorn
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:11:00 -
[493]
+1
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:13:00 -
[494]
Supported. _______________________
"Just because I look like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Hasiti
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:18:00 -
[495]
+1 CO-CEO militaire: Timezone US |
Cengci
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:19:00 -
[496]
+1
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A'ang
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:20:00 -
[497]
Agreed!
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Existae
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:22:00 -
[498]
Edited by: Existae on 01/06/2010 06:22:14 +1 |
Alnindra
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:28:00 -
[499]
Edited by: Alnindra on 01/06/2010 06:29:17
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Dane el'Galen
Barely Organised
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:30:00 -
[500]
Edited by: Dane el''Galen on 01/06/2010 06:30:02 +1
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Rimi Rami
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:31:00 -
[501]
Edited by: Rimi Rami on 01/06/2010 06:32:07 +1
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Meiku Saed
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:32:00 -
[502]
yes please! |
Kitty Meow
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:43:00 -
[503]
Agree.
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Cian Korwin
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:46:00 -
[504]
Edited by: Cian Korwin on 01/06/2010 06:47:43 I fully support
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Giz Lerouge
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:57:00 -
[505]
+1
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Loknaah
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 06:59:00 -
[506]
+1 |
Andrei Vassaliev
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:05:00 -
[507]
+1
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Constantine Merlonne
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:06:00 -
[508]
+1
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wakalaka
Information And Entropy
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:08:00 -
[509]
It's not only time. It's timing too. You cannot let pass 3 days on zero-day exploits which render a good part of the expansion's main feature useless.
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rangazanga
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:12:00 -
[510]
I support this topic.
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Sard Caid
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:18:00 -
[511]
Spend some time working on issues & bugs, rather than things (PI, EVE Gate) that are frivolous at best and a bug laden waste of time at worst.
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caldaklan
Caldari BREIZH INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:35:00 -
[512]
+ 100%
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BusinessPod
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:38:00 -
[513]
Supported +1
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1Of9
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:38:00 -
[514]
100% supported.
never saw any further development on WH.. tyranis is out and lag monster still rules.
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StaticViolence
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:49:00 -
[515]
As much as I dislike an idea with no practical grounding what so ever, something needs to be done about all the broken mechanics.
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Mortvvs
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:49:00 -
[516]
supported
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Toolkas Yasina
x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:53:00 -
[517]
Edited by: Toolkas Yasina on 01/06/2010 07:52:54 I approve of this product!
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kveldulfson
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:58:00 -
[518]
Hell yes this has been needed for quite some time!
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Kyra Tryton
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:07:00 -
[519]
I wholeheartedly agree to this proposal!
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Taudia
Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:08:00 -
[520]
If I recall correctly CCP recently (two expansions back or so) decided to step up the expansion schedule to one expansion very 4 months, in accordance with last years "produce" (or something similar) theme.
Although I agree with the OP in most respects, I don't CCP are going to let the players dictate the release schedule, regardless of how sensible we are. That said the gist of the whole proposal is that CCP should not just abandon stuff and call it done when it clearly isn't, or in other cases shelve it and hope no-one notices, which is a more realistic plea (from my point of view).
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Glokon Shrindor
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:09:00 -
[521]
Yes, please.
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Cetchu
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:12:00 -
[522]
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Cabestan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:13:00 -
[523]
100% approved. wait to know how to walk before truying running.
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Drew Jerac
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:13:00 -
[524]
+1 signed ----------
Where can you end up with just 5,000isk and the Market Interface? I have no idea but I intend to find out: Drew Jerac's Log |
Deila Ishan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:15:00 -
[525]
This is an excellent endeveaour, please listen to us CCP!
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NathanMoore
Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:17:00 -
[526]
fully supported
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:23:00 -
[527]
* Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
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SturmLumlane
|
Posted - 2010.06.01 08:24:00 -
[528]
Edited by: SturmLumlane on 01/06/2010 08:24:11 +1
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Katyan Silverspear
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:31:00 -
[529]
+1
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Leon Leopard
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:36:00 -
[530]
+1
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Elicetian
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:46:00 -
[531]
+1
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Darkhus
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:46:00 -
[532]
+1
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Valkyrie Fallenstar
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:46:00 -
[533]
+1
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Kano Tranker
New Eden Recon Force
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:50:00 -
[534]
+1 ... Kano Tranker |
Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:51:00 -
[535]
Supported. It's never easy to admit one's faults in public but CCP's ambition are more and more outpacing their abilities to deliver and stepping back to look at the state of the game could prevent further and bigger mistakes sure to come.
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Daneel
Swedish Aerospace Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:56:00 -
[536]
In favor |
lolygirl
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Posted - 2010.06.01 08:59:00 -
[537]
+1
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Foxtrot Uniform
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:04:00 -
[538]
+1
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Reno04
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:12:00 -
[539]
+1
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Cyrus Smith
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:16:00 -
[540]
totally 14,95 EUR/month for this
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CeD76
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:18:00 -
[541]
+1
I don't care about new uber cool features and all, I just want the lag fixed and the recurrent bugs erased. No news features, only complete features first !!
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Surenety
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:21:00 -
[542]
+1
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NevermorDk
x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:23:00 -
[543]
Signed
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Mhyr
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:26:00 -
[544]
+1
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Kasandra Mae
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:26:00 -
[545]
+1 for finishing already introduced content/ideas and fixing bugs over new features.
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Lell Harkoder
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:28:00 -
[546]
Signed
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Hagbard23Celine
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:28:00 -
[547]
+1
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Saucisson Saiks
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:30:00 -
[548]
Agreed !!
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Sandy fr
Caldari Chevaliers de la Croix Du Sud Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:31:00 -
[549]
Edited by: Sandy fr on 01/06/2010 09:31:34 +1
FIX YOUR LAG , fleetbattle = no grid ?!! i don't want pay anymore for just a chatroom ho yes and a calendar ! great...
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Minver Trader
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:32:00 -
[550]
YES ..... how about a bug fix patch??
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Jointy
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:33:00 -
[551]
+1 !
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John Porter
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:33:00 -
[552]
+1
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Kallout
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:34:00 -
[553]
+1
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Shana Tirii
Lacco and The Gang Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:35:00 -
[554]
People are expecting the old stuff to work before they want new shiny things. Supporting Dierdra Vaal on this.
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Carnage42
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:36:00 -
[555]
Signed
"The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle" |
Sulaja
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:46:00 -
[556]
+1 Fix the insane amount of bugged/broken stuff already
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CamMan
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:46:00 -
[557]
+1
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Lord Zom
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:48:00 -
[558]
Shiny things Neeeed !
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Forrestdun
|
Posted - 2010.06.01 09:56:00 -
[559]
+1
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Kim Norten
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:57:00 -
[560]
+1
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Alison McCarty
Gallente Ancient Spirits The Exodus Project
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:02:00 -
[561]
+1
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Zadus Rejan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:03:00 -
[562]
+1 All is said. CCP please aim for exelence
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Wensley
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:05:00 -
[563]
Working features are better than new features.
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:10:00 -
[564]
Do this, CCP, and you solve the bitter vet syndrome. _____
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Ksharaa
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:20:00 -
[565]
Edited by: Ksharaa on 01/06/2010 10:25:39 +1. There's way more poor quality code in the client than there should be, especially considering the age of the game.
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Lise Kahel
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:22:00 -
[566]
The game's fine (we're still playing it). Besides, you can't tell CCP how they should do their job. As far as I see it they need to come up with shiny new stuff, draw the new players in. They have a business to run, not a game to play. You guys will stick around, save it for the few dramaqueens (I can have your stuff, yes?).
I don't know guys. I see bugs fixed, legacy code rewritten, plenty of lag tests (show up for those for a change). CCP's doing cool stuff, most of you just barf on it. The forums are a dark place, fix that (yes, you).
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RiotRick
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:28:00 -
[567]
/signed --
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Namu Kawaki
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:29:00 -
[568]
Oh yes.
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Aerouge Gendai
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:29:00 -
[569]
/agree _________________________________________________ my German Eve Blog: Ein Caldari allein in Eve |
Petronus Gallus
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:30:00 -
[570]
+1
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krakinette
Caldari Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:34:00 -
[571]
+1
fixed lag
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Miraki Alsento
Nutz N Boltz
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:34:00 -
[572]
+1
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Eugene Roserie
Strategic Naval Research Institute ANAHEIM ELECTRONICS Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:40:00 -
[573]
I'd rather like to see existing features are refined and polished.
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jattell
Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:41:00 -
[574]
+1
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Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:44:00 -
[575]
Totally support this. ---
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Lifinity
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Posted - 2010.06.01 10:48:00 -
[576]
supported!
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Tanare
|
Posted - 2010.06.01 10:55:00 -
[577]
+1
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NightmareX
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:01:00 -
[578]
I have no other options than just supporting this.
Best proposal in a very long time here.
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Tolrok Qorte
Minmatar Intrepid Falcons
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:04:00 -
[579]
I absolutely agree. +1
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Mental Mantis
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:08:00 -
[580]
+1 for more time spent on features and better quality practices.
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Maki Nomiya
Caldari ACME HARDWARE
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:08:00 -
[581]
YES! Fix first ... no more FUBAR ! That pesky camera reset on jumping or other session change has come back to annoy us far too many times now (to name one of a few fav featuresÖ) !!
And slideshow non-interactive EVE sux !
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Laika Dorfmeister
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:08:00 -
[582]
+1 |
zzzDeXoNzzz
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:15:00 -
[583]
+1
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Mynxee
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:17:00 -
[584]
Excellently stated, Dierdra!
Unless CCP commit to a change--or many changes--in the way they approach the management of releases, I fear EVE will simply become too fractured to maintain in any significant way over time. Besides the release of half-baked features, I'm also concerned about wasted resources when nearly-done features are scrapped because they weren't 100% finished by some artificial deadline. If the time, effort, and expense to get a feature to 85% or 90% is invested, then it's worth staying on track and taking the time needed to finish it. I suspect players will happily support "missed deadlines" (look at the positive response when Tyrannis got delayed; what happened when it did get released is another story)--especially if it means they get a better product.
In my view, part of a commitment to excellence must include a commitment to extending release dates realistically when doing so will result in a more robust feature set. Related to that, the investment in nearly-done features should be leveraged by allowing work to continue past deadlines so that the feature can be finished. It can then be deployed in a patch or next release. Scrapping features that already have significant investment should be a rare exception, not the rule. Any development model that demands slavish devotion to the latter is fiscally insane, not to mention dangerously demoralizing to development teams and ultimately hugely disappointing to customers.
Life In Low Sec |
Faridi Dem
Brothers of Destiny Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:18:00 -
[585]
supported!
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Vitelius
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:21:00 -
[586]
Most definitely supported.
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V0n Braun
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:27:00 -
[587]
+1
complete support
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Rokkit Kween
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:28:00 -
[588]
yes yes yes. to all points raised.
Release schedule too tight, loosen it up a bit.
Keep working on content after release rather than leaving it to gather dust.
no more new shinies till Incarna.
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Muscaat
ASCENTIS CORPORATION Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:32:00 -
[589]
DV, every single word you said is true.
+1 ---------- EVE Markets - global price trends at your fingertips |
Nomi S
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:34:00 -
[590]
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Quetzalcoatl III
Uroboros Trading Company Taurus Quantum Dynamics
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:35:00 -
[591]
I'm with you |
Thyza
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:36:00 -
[592]
agreed. especially on treaties, they would make renting out 0.0 so much easier.
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Draconder
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:37:00 -
[593]
You have my vote on this.
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Klame
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:44:00 -
[594]
/signed Rest in piece |
Quivering Palm
SI Radio
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:50:00 -
[595]
Agreed ofc.
More to that, it would be great if CCP chooses to implement what the CSM have been suggesting for the past years. Lots of great ideas and proposals, but really how many make them into the patch notes in each expansion?
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Rutilus
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:53:00 -
[596]
Hear, hear. I love this game and I want to see it Be Excellent. Less Microsoft-esque "let our paying customers beta-test the products" and more "hammer the issues out fully on Sisi, even if it means releasing late."
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.06.01 11:54:00 -
[597]
+1 Patri
I'll Roshambo you for that Titan |
dermannmitdemkoks
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:00:00 -
[598]
+1 definately supported its about time
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Shardivh
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:03:00 -
[599]
Supported and really agree with the 1 "major new shiny features" expansion and 1 "fix/revise old content" expansion per year instead of what we have now. CCP, please commit to excellence!
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Bucky O'Hair
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:04:00 -
[600]
I support this! Please put a freeze on future expansions, and fix the current ones! Bucky O'Hair
"If it flys it dies!"
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:07:00 -
[601]
Supporting this along with a farm of cowbell, and two turnip overlords of the fruited garlic bread.
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Lloydz
Chevaliers de la Croix Du Sud Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:08:00 -
[602]
I can has grid when I jump ?
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zornn alruior
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:10:00 -
[603]
+1
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Roter Baron
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:11:00 -
[604]
+1
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Lalwende
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:11:00 -
[605]
+1
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:12:00 -
[606]
Support.
(A forum where you don't have to login twice every time could be nice as well)
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Sojourner Zen
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:24:00 -
[607]
/Agreed!
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Zhalakin
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:26:00 -
[608]
Support
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Del Mare
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:26:00 -
[609]
Supported
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Lelouch DeGilead
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:27:00 -
[610]
+1
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:28:00 -
[611]
Signed -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Ellowenn
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:31:00 -
[612]
+1
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Eshnala
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:32:00 -
[613]
/signed
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Grimpak
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:34:00 -
[614]
while I do agree totally on this thread, it must be taken into account that rehashing doesn't bring more new players (thus revenue) than new content.
I do agree however that CCP usually follows the "implement now, develop later" meme. I would try to search for a middleground for it, with expansions having half time dedicated for new content and half time dedicated on developing new content, sacrificing for that the 6-month expansion release cycles if needed. I would much prefer CCP to release 1 expansion every year and do try to improve such expansion in a year's time.
in sum, I support this thread, but people must take into consideration that this is business. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:40:00 -
[615]
o/
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Rocket Dog
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:46:00 -
[616]
+1
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Yasuhiro Shoe
Caldari Hikage Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:46:00 -
[617]
Sorry, I disagree with the assumption that slower releases would bring better release quality.
It's just not true.
I also believe that two major releases a year, keep more players interested (and attract more new/returning players) than revisions and fixes would.
CCP is doing the math and their reasoning for keeping this schedule is sound. It's making Eve more successful than it otherwise would be. And so they should keep at it.
Asking for excellence, better testing, more resources to old projects, minor improvements: that's just common sense. But doing that at the expense of expansions: it is detrimental and possibly suicidal. Hopefully CCP won't listen to this one advice.
My own 0.02 isk, which I won't be giving to anyone anyway.
But I did vote for you Dierdra.
Sincere regards,
from the not exceedingly honourable Mr. Shoe.
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Raceleader
Minmatar Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:48:00 -
[618]
/Signed
Im paying for 3 accounts, and want quality over quantity
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:51:00 -
[619]
SIGNED
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Jager Da
Advocates of Sin
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Posted - 2010.06.01 12:52:00 -
[620]
Supported. Time to fix things, CCP. |
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Illianos
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:01:00 -
[621]
Quality > Quantity.
/supported
no more lag in 0.0 space
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Mistress Templar
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:03:00 -
[622]
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Doc Deeb
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:04:00 -
[623]
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Mistress YO
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:05:00 -
[624]
+1
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Sydious
The Viking Command
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:05:00 -
[625]
I would like this to go as far as dedicating one of the 3 dev teams to feature updates and fixes for an expansion or two till the backlog is cleared out.
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InToFace
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:06:00 -
[626]
Supported, but for some reason I really will be surprised if CCP pay any attention to it.
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Terrorisma
Intergalactic Serenity Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:07:00 -
[627]
+1
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Jap Bookmarker
Minmatar The Wanderers
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:07:00 -
[628]
+1
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NightmareX
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:07:00 -
[629]
Originally by: Yasuhiro Shoe Sorry, I disagree with the assumption that slower releases would bring better release quality.
It's just not true.
I also believe that two major releases a year, keep more players interested (and attract more new/returning players) than revisions and fixes would.
CCP is doing the math and their reasoning for keeping this schedule is sound. It's making Eve more successful than it otherwise would be. And so they should keep at it.
Asking for excellence, better testing, more resources to old projects, minor improvements: that's just common sense. But doing that at the expense of expansions: it is detrimental and possibly suicidal. Hopefully CCP won't listen to this one advice.
My own 0.02 isk, which I won't be giving to anyone anyway.
But I did vote for you Dierdra.
So you rather have half-finished products / features in EVE that have tons of bugs just to get more players intrested and to get more players into EVE faster?.
I think it's better to use more time to get the things totally done and release it with almost no bugs so the new players that comes to eve can rather enjoy EVE instead of leaving in anger because things in EVE doesn't work like it should and because it contains with tons of bugs.
No, CCP should use more time to make sure that the new features they release is 99% finished and have minimum with bugs when they release new things. So there can be alot more happy players.
Because you know, having a working game is 39845763982 times more important than getting some few more players intrested faster.
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Ethan Hawk
Intergalactic Serenity Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:07:00 -
[630]
+1 _______________________________ joined another dead alliance :( |
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Arrador
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:12:00 -
[631]
supporting with both chars
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Rufus themover
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:14:00 -
[632]
+1 support!
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Armagoth
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:16:00 -
[633]
+1
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Shimrod Ombreflamme
French Empire Squad United Warriors for Peace
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:19:00 -
[634]
+1
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Daimien Hayes
Caldari Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:27:00 -
[635]
+1 Quality over quantity
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Corsinus Prime
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:27:00 -
[636]
+1
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cilyanii kerazanul
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:28:00 -
[637]
+1
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BOB FREAX
Minmatar Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:38:00 -
[638]
/signed
For god sake, fix 0.0 fleet lag
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Tactrol
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:39:00 -
[639]
/Supported /Signed
Please fix the damn lag
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Nero Prime
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:57:00 -
[640]
+1
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Mika Sky
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:57:00 -
[641]
+1
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Kendra Prime
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:58:00 -
[642]
+1
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Simply Simon
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:58:00 -
[643]
all 3 accounts endorse this product
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Hoelli
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:59:00 -
[644]
Support.
Thanks DV. |
meollyn
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:00:00 -
[645]
Quality > Quantity.
/supported
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Elrianmk2
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:03:00 -
[646]
+1
Working in QA i know how hard this is to do, but next time your program managers start with the "ooohh Shiney" just hit them on the nose with a rolled up newspaper!
A release which is just Refactored code is perfectly acceptable, although hard to explain to the "must have new shineys!" brigade
Fully supported.
If it wasnt for bad luck, i wouldnt have any luck at all |
Illunia
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:04:00 -
[647]
+1
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Su Ming
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:05:00 -
[648]
+1
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bouka
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:06:00 -
[649]
support this proposal
/thanks dierdra
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Cailais
Amarr British Armoured Division
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:22:00 -
[650]
Oh come on! A vote demanding that 'CCP make a better game'?? Well duuur!
What next? A motion proposing CCP SHOULDN'T focus on excellence?
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Miss Understandings
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:26:00 -
[651]
poasting in an epic threadnaught.
Keep whining and supporting this ppl, that's how we got the skill queue through too! \o/
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STARLANCER2012
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:29:00 -
[652]
+1
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Asura Cascade
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:30:00 -
[653]
Supported. I'd love to see Factional Warfare fully sorted out, it would make such a difference to me (and my standings).
"Absence of Quality is the essence of squareness." - Robert M. Pirsig.
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Lindorph
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:32:00 -
[654]
Supported. ------
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0SpaceRaider0
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:35:00 -
[655]
+1
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:38:00 -
[656]
Edited by: Kiri Serrensun on 01/06/2010 14:44:44 Signed. Bounties, COSMOS, pirate epic arcs, assault ships, FW, treaties, industry, UI, lag, planetary governance, lowsec, magnetometric sites, T3 balance, subsystems and frigates, Black Ops, the AI upgrade for NPC's....
(pant, pant)
Vast amounts of effectively new content could be added, simply in the sense of neglected stuff being useful once more. Finish stuff.
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Juno Kilbride
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:40:00 -
[657]
Edited by: Juno Kilbride on 01/06/2010 14:40:02 +1
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Jinzwa
Gallente CHAOS FORCE Infinite Improbabilities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:42:00 -
[658]
+1
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Ulhek
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:42:00 -
[659]
Signed, this sounds like a totally reasonable request.
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Choli
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:43:00 -
[660]
+1
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:48:00 -
[661]
Excellence is excellent.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Syral Khouri
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:49:00 -
[662]
Edited by: Syral Khouri on 01/06/2010 14:49:30 fully supported. power to the people!
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:59:00 -
[663]
Supported.
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Missi Stallion
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:08:00 -
[664]
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NIjle
Star Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:09:00 -
[665]
+1
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Apokalypse
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:09:00 -
[666]
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Jade Darkstar
Defenders of Sovereignty
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:12:00 -
[667]
It's about time we got this thing rolling....
I support the excellence of self, I therefore support Excellence of others. Let's see some of that attitude come from CCP!
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:18:00 -
[668]
While Scrum allows dropping features (like treaties), it requires that no features are released until they are working. So yes, Engineering Excellence would be good.
+1
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Syekuda
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:20:00 -
[669]
I support this post.
For now since you got too many features half done or needs dire attention, please stop the new ones and concentrate on current one. ie.: Faction warfare.
I want to see a bug free game. More people will leave if it continues like this now.
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Kaiman
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:23:00 -
[670]
Edited by: Kaiman on 01/06/2010 15:23:46 I fully endorse this product and/or service.
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SikPuppy
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:24:00 -
[671]
+1 fix the game. |
Kriptman
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:28:00 -
[672]
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Alyx Cjarrigan
Loose Cannon Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:30:00 -
[673]
Supported!
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caldarugh
|
Posted - 2010.06.01 15:31:00 -
[674]
+1
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Lolsof
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:34:00 -
[675]
+1
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sthymj
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:34:00 -
[676]
Supported
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gunnie girlie
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:36:00 -
[677]
+1
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cocotueur
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:37:00 -
[678]
Supported...
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Bravardo
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:40:00 -
[679]
Supported |
GreenYoshi
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:42:00 -
[680]
This would make a fantastic statement, CCP. While I love Eve, quality expansions released later would be far better than broken content rushed in. Supported. -
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Coagulant
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:46:00 -
[681]
Edited by: Coagulant on 01/06/2010 15:46:08 Supported |
Dillon Arklight
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:52:00 -
[682]
Supported.
I believe Dierdra speaks for the EVE community when he says that we would like more content but not at the expense of projects which have been left unfinished. The recent feedback from players concerning the delay of the launch of Planetary Interaction shows that the community prefers to wait for content to be finished than have it released to a minimum standard.
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brutalmeteor
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:56:00 -
[683]
i agree and support this
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Molten Black
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:59:00 -
[684]
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Astroyka
Caldari Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:02:00 -
[685]
+1
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Crazy Jade
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:08:00 -
[686]
support for better quality
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celtillos
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:14:00 -
[687]
supported
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Mikatuya
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:19:00 -
[688]
Edited by: Mikatuya on 01/06/2010 16:19:13 +1 !
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Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:19:00 -
[689]
Supported in so many ways, as a former empire bear, I left partially to pursue 0.0 goals, but partially because there was nothing left to do in empire.
The vaunted ideas of epic arcs have all but seemed to disappear after the Sisters and what, 2 pirate arcs? I haven't seen any -new- lvl 4 scenarios appear in lord only knows how long.
As for more recent expansions, we've seen an overhaul to Sov (with a great deal of mixed response/reception, 6 months of interminable lag and hideous fleet issues, and now with Tyrannis (though, kudos, the fleet stuff -is- running better) we've seen the arrival of PI, that started out as a nifty sounding idea, but seems to have arrived as something of a limp squid.
And yes, EveGate, or SpaceBook, or whatever particular thing you want to call it, I'm not sure that anyone seems to be warming to it at all.
But as Eve is a Sandbox, and a largely player vs player one, I think CCP need to re-consider their design targets for the next say 2 years, and rather than giving us what they think we would like to play with - they should instead give us what we need, which is, in some cases some serious overhauls. Including (but not limited to)
* Destroyers * Assault Frigates * Rockets * Basic UI (including context menu's for Ships/Items) * Drone UI * Personal Wallet * Corporation/Alliance role assignments * NPC Agent Interaction
I for one would be quite happy if CCP turned around tomorrow and said "sorry folks, we're not giving you another expansion till 2012, but instead we'll be fixing this, that and the other thing...
Whole-heartedly supported (even though I don't believe anything will come of it, I'd love to see a CCP response in here though)
Emrys.
-=-=-=-=- Reformed Carebear. Much bear, zero care. -=-=-=-=- |
Balsakian McGiggles
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:28:00 -
[690]
+1
I understand that they want PI to be something that's developed and ready (and try to make it one of the major things you do with Industry), however I would very much rather see lag and interface fixes. Yes the calendar is nice, and the EVE Gate is in the right direction (until they allow skill queue changes via EVE Gate, it is pretty much useless), but the standings system is a horrible mess that requires you to log into EVE Gate at various points. Yeah, lets get the noobies to come in, and then introduce them to this.
Overall, this seems like a sup-par update specifically released to force people to do PI. It's highly probable that the whole POS fiasco was done to force people to learn PI, which then allows them to hype up their console game Dust 514 for E3. "It seems like there are a lot of people doing Planetary Interaction, Dan." "And now we're going to fight over it! Now, check out the new Unreal engine!"
It is sad to see them create a horrible mess in Dominion, and then stop working on it after borking it up beyond all belief. I'm highly worried about what's going to happen when they are going to have to fix two expansions worth of issues (even if they do switch to a 9 month release date).
So much of the game features can be expanded upon and developed. Please, stop now CCP and improve what you have already developed! You have an enthusiastic community which gladly travels across the globe just to attend a game convention. I'm sure that we would much rather refinement and polish than expansion packs.
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Alelsa
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:30:00 -
[691]
Edited by: Alelsa on 01/06/2010 16:31:30
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Is CCP's frantic release schedule to blame? Are 6 months really enough time to develop new features AND improve old features AND fix bugs? While it is awesome to get two free expansions a year, isn't CCP risking quality in order to maintain quantity? Perhaps a release schedule of 9 months per expansion (so 2 expansions every year and half) will give them more time to develop existing features into Excellence, as well as developing new features into a good release-ready state.
Supported.
I would probably add a suggestion (apologies if I'm repeating something from the previous 30 pages I haven't read) that the 6-monthly expansions stay, but alternate between "new content" releases and "improving existing content" releases rather than constantly focusing on releasing half-built-and-then-forgotten systems.
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Ron Berry
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:32:00 -
[692]
I support this.
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Jaxley
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:37:00 -
[693]
Supported. |
xXxSatsujinxXx
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:41:00 -
[694]
Yes Yes Yes A million times YES. I cannot support the op enough.
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brubs
The Unforgettables Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:44:00 -
[695]
i support this
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Gris X
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:46:00 -
[696]
+1 please add bounty hunting rules to the list of features that do require an upgrade to excellence. they are currently not even good or ok,but just terrible and poorly thought out.
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Nymeria Snow
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:57:00 -
[697]
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Melnibonee
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:57:00 -
[698]
+1
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WolfSchwarzMond
Aberration Of Perdition The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:03:00 -
[699]
CCP is risking making the same mistakes that Mythic did with Warhammer Online. The constant addition of NEW features while the bugs and issues with the OLD Features remain. While new Content will add users, you will eventually lose both the newer players and older mainstay customers. There needs to be more improvement on the Issues that Exist NOW and less time/effort/money spent on adding even more features that will require even more work to correct. I think of Eve as a House. The Foundation is Solid, but has cracks in it. Lets Fix that Foundation befor we add more improvements that we really don't need, but will raise the value of the house.
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Spiffing1
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:04:00 -
[700]
Very definite +1 from me. It is getting increasingly hard to defend the attitude to this problem shown by CCP.
Some recent posts on this forum by certain devs have been frankly rude and insulting to fans who are only trying to help them make a better game, something they claim to believe in wholeheartedly.
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payLow
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:05:00 -
[701]
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Karonys
Balderfrey Enterprises Deadline.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:13:00 -
[702]
Supported. Please CCP, don't half ass planetary interaction like you did some of the other older features. I want to see the SimCity style content that was advertised years ago. |
Weegie Miso
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:14:00 -
[703]
+1 |
Jack Wildstar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:15:00 -
[704]
Fantastic idea Dierdra. Their goal is excellence, they need to be held to that standard.
I love Eve, but it can be better. Time to focus on the things that need to be addressed, rather than racing expansions out to get the game to a certain place. If it takes longer to arrive, but arrives in supreme shape, instead of full of bugs, it will be better for your player base, as well as your company's reputation.
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Meilan Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:18:00 -
[705]
supported
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Kirsty CarpetMuncher
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:18:00 -
[706]
Supported!
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MitchyM
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:24:00 -
[707]
Supported. |
Kaldor Mintat
Nomads Of Eve Purpose Built
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:29:00 -
[708]
Supported.
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Xtops
Nova Fortuna Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:29:00 -
[709]
Threadnaught status.
Supported. Time for EVE to HTFU.
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:30:00 -
[710]
Supported.
9 month releases is more than enough and makes more time for QUALITY. To be honest I would rather see only 1 expansion per year as long as:
- there are minor bug fixes/releases on regular basis to fix known issues - the expansion is tested alot and input's from players on forums and the testserver are being taken seriously
Make it so...ENGAGE!
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:32:00 -
[711]
- I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Meluena
Barricade.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:35:00 -
[712]
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TYR3L
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:38:00 -
[713]
Supported. Expansion every 9 months, or even a year, can only lead to better overall expansions and quality control. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:39:00 -
[714]
Said it on the campaign, said it in Iceland, and it deserves saying again till CCP gets the message ---
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Janet Hendrix
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:39:00 -
[715]
+1
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Ellerie Darko
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:40:00 -
[716]
supported
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Matah Hari
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:40:00 -
[717]
agreed and supported. lets make this proposal heard!
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Ituralde
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:47:00 -
[718]
Absolutely. Needs more integration between FW and the rest of EVE _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
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Shak'Ran
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:48:00 -
[719]
Quality > Quantity.
/supported
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Tora Ferenoth
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:51:00 -
[720]
supported
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Rok Qhang'Rawl
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.01 17:59:00 -
[721]
Supporting this. We want CCP to pay down technical debt. We are willing to sacrifice a release as necessary to see existing and new features reach excellence.
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NeoKalista
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:02:00 -
[722]
Edited by: NeoKalista on 01/06/2010 18:02:02 +1
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SuperSpy00bob
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:02:00 -
[723]
Supporting this. Lately it has become more and more of a chore to even enjoy this awesome game. This game has the potential to be amazing, but has always stopped short by ignoring simple gameplay issues in favor of pushing more bullet point features.
I know it's the beaten horse around here, but Eve deserves some more attention aimed at improving it's existing code and features over implementing some shiny new addition.
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Orokar Blane
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:02:00 -
[724]
Supporting this.
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Rye Contini
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:23:00 -
[725]
+1
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Corwin Aren
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:27:00 -
[726]
Edited by: Corwin Aren on 01/06/2010 18:26:54 Supported.
CCP have proved themselves to mainly develop short term fixes and shiny new toys, while always ignoring midterm effects of the fixes made and new toy introduced. Claiming to have a long term agenda is fine, but the constant promise of better toys in the next patch is by now getting close to insulting.
Once a feature is introduced it is mainly forgotten for six to twelve months and mishandled in a haphazard way somewhere down the line for 'balancing' purposes. Everything doesnt have to be cheap, available or exactly the same, it removes challanges and opportunities.
The fact that most fixes mainly focuses on cheaper/'balanced' pvp stuff usually means that industry and trade aspects are all but completely ignored.
Some examples of poor balancing is T2 lottery and later om invention, T3 and its balancing, the current handling of the introduction of PI, the boosting of meta item drops, the handling of bugged complexes, the handling of the min/max bugged npc orders, moongate etc.
Boosting drops considerably while simoultanousily reducing the building requirements for interfaces is not a good way of balancing invention. Boosting T3 drops while changing the end bpcs runs, but not removing random outcome nor introducing reprocessesable t3 is not 'fixing' T3. New bottle neck, silly amounts of unused t3 bpcs and no problems solved is the end result.
It is getting tiring and I have somewhat lost faith in ccp's abilties when it comes to handling market and industry. Market and industry is also pvp, but ccp are slowly removing most challenges and opportunities by sheer ignorance.
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Ohit
GK Lite Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:28:00 -
[727]
+1
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farfrael
FP Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:29:00 -
[728]
**** yeah ! (obviously, it will never come to anything but this is so badly needed)
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Ace Dooley
Nomadic Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:33:00 -
[729]
Supporting this too! If only they would fix what is already in the game it would be a million times better. Fix lag, it was fixed but bust again...Faction warfare, bounties (a joke), treaties (what happened to them?). Make these things work so more people can play in the sandbox.
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Mala Latroz
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:42:00 -
[730]
Edited by: Mala Latroz on 01/06/2010 18:42:02 agreed
+1
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cogito maximo
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:42:00 -
[731]
I support this proposal.
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Dontlike light
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:44:00 -
[732]
+1
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Leviathan Tank
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:44:00 -
[733]
Do something as opposed to nothing.. yes.
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Anun Hen
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:48:00 -
[734]
brilliant suggestion Do it CCP!
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:03:00 -
[735]
Supported, because why not?
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Shiomi Saitoh
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:06:00 -
[736]
+1
If there is a proposal worth supporting then it is this one
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EdFromHumanResources
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:07:00 -
[737]
Supporting this even though itll never happen.
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ColdCat
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:09:00 -
[738]
can't agree more |
Heitaro Kimura
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:09:00 -
[739]
thumbs up
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Merrizo
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:10:00 -
[740]
Hear hear
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Gismork
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:11:00 -
[741]
+1
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Micah Vitellius
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:15:00 -
[742]
I wholeheartedly support this. |
Haytred
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:16:00 -
[743]
Signed. Good luck to CCP though. Excellence is something that many MMO's strive for but few, if any, reach.
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ESPN ocho
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:17:00 -
[744]
+1
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Dora DumDum
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:19:00 -
[745]
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Sheerborn
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:20:00 -
[746]
/sign
----------- Evil is a point of view. God kills indiscriminately and so shall we. For no creatures under God are as we are, none so like him as ourselves. ----------- |
Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:21:00 -
[747]
I heard this is where all the cool guys post...
...no, really I think that old features are worth some love, too. Not to talk about features once promised and then promptly axed. (Admitted, some ideas might be hard to implement, but if they're once said to come, not even considered or being designed, it'd be nice if it at least would be explained why they were not implemented. Treaties, storefronts, a hell of a lot of other stuff.)
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:26:00 -
[748]
Have pointed everyone I can at this. ---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx |
paracidic
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:26:00 -
[749]
Edited by: paracidic on 01/06/2010 19:27:10 People have been saying this since 2003 and been ignored. However your eloquence may be "shiney" enough to make them listen, or at least read this thread.
Good luck, I do hope that they fix this most beloved of games.
***********************************************
Everything ever written by a goon or DS1 member is absolutely factual and should not be challanged in anyway. |
Manfred Sideous
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:27:00 -
[750]
Yes please.
Smooth Running existing content > New Flashy content ______________________________
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Angel HUN
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:29:00 -
[751]
Fix what was implemented before developing new content.
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Ionisia
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:31:00 -
[752]
+1
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D melanogaster
The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:32:00 -
[753]
yes please
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Straight Chillen
Solar Wind AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:32:00 -
[754]
Fully supported. Its time CCP starts to think more about their current customers then their potential ones. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:38:00 -
[755]
supported, obviously. Stop screwing up CCP, you've been bad at patches for too long. Time to shape up. -----------
Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0... |
Theodeathna
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:42:00 -
[756]
+1 I supporte!
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Van'Klomp
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:45:00 -
[757]
Supported. |
T34R4k
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:46:00 -
[758]
agree
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Isabelle Endred
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:46:00 -
[759]
+1 |
Schubynchen
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:46:00 -
[760]
yes... please high quality for pve-content !!!
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Marcus Ried
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:58:00 -
[761]
Supported
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Sujanra Acoma
Shadow Kitty Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:59:00 -
[762]
I hope this is not taken too critically. This isn't so much a chastisement, in my opinion, as a mere request to alter priorities. I would be perfectly content to have the expansion rate halved so the loose ends can get tied up.
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Kraftmann
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:00:00 -
[763]
. |
Serafina Sofia
Crooked Timber of Humanity
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:04:00 -
[764]
Supported.
At the very least, this kind of solidarity from a group of people who will generally spend 17 pages arguing about the position of the sky in relation to the ground warrants some kind of official response.
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Vackris Tellani
Metanoia. Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:10:00 -
[765]
+1 ----- If I had a signature, this is where it would be. |
Tulas Flint
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:11:00 -
[766]
+1
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Delenarious
H A V O C
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:12:00 -
[767]
+1
Give EVE a chance to live forever.
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musgrattio
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:16:00 -
[768]
supported.
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URDEAD2ME
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:19:00 -
[769]
supported 100% |
Shiva Reign
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:22:00 -
[770]
supported . |
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Remigius Varagine
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:25:00 -
[771]
yes please!
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Yalson
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:25:00 -
[772]
Very much in support. |
kego
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:32:00 -
[773]
+1 /signed
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Kan3r Blaze
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:32:00 -
[774]
Agreed and supported
Declarations of War - Revisited - Home of the Noir. podcast
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BruCe85
Endstati0n Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:35:00 -
[775]
Edited by: BruCe85 on 01/06/2010 20:35:03 supported.
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Royaldo
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:36:00 -
[776]
Yes please.
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Pantorus Necraliss
Minmatar Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:37:00 -
[777]
Supported
POS can also be updated
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Friznit
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:40:00 -
[778]
Yes!
brb, logging my alt army to add their voices
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Miriallia Clyne
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:40:00 -
[779]
Couldn't agree more!
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Olaslunacaris
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:42:00 -
[780]
+
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Captain TrootSky
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:43:00 -
[781]
All of these half done implementation should stop! Moar full working features!
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Mumisenic
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:44:00 -
[782]
YES
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LordMordred
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:45:00 -
[783]
I fully support this movement and holding an accountable commitment to Excellence. -----
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FuSiOn 92
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:45:00 -
[784]
+1
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PsychoBones
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:45:00 -
[785]
**** yes!
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Ecatherina W
AAA.FSI Holding Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:46:00 -
[786]
Go, Dierdra. ***** Empress of the Multiverse *****
CEO of AAA.FSI Holding |
hanro
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:46:00 -
[787]
Hai Hai Hai. YES!
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Kalem Saeed
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:47:00 -
[788]
+1
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:54:00 -
[789]
I can say with confidence I would not be opposed to things working correctly, or being corrected in a timely fashion.
In all seriousness, having an expansion that works every year, and possibly a bug-fix only expansion next would be awesome.
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Julius Perfecto
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:57:00 -
[790]
Signed
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Silken Touch
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:58:00 -
[791]
agreed
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Gryana
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:59:00 -
[792]
too right
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Loomina
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:00:00 -
[793]
Thanks Dierdra Vaal...excellent post <----LISTEN UP CCP ....please *_*
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JitaBum
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:00:00 -
[794]
Supported
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Maleficent Ullid
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:03:00 -
[795]
Yes.
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Treese Centor
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:04:00 -
[796]
Please listen to the voice of the tribe!
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Jon D'Agrvainio
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:04:00 -
[797]
Functional rockets. Do want. |
R3con
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:05:00 -
[798]
Support from me dude
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Ro's MiningGirl
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:06:00 -
[799]
thumbs up
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Leiv Dzienovich
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:06:00 -
[800]
less beer more work +1
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Mnement'h
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:09:00 -
[801]
Some 'features' have been broken for years ... full support for this initiative ...
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou are crunchy and go well with ketchup ... |
Feebis Gruina
Tech 2 Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:10:00 -
[802]
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Seithe Jax
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:12:00 -
[803]
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Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:14:00 -
[804]
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craft713
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:14:00 -
[805]
I 100% support this topic!
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J6hkard
Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:16:00 -
[806]
Positive
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Nicholajev
Caldari Swedish Aerospace Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:17:00 -
[807]
Suportive off course - CCP with all good ambitions... you are great but I need to suport this call and ask you to finish the "old stuff".
We love the bling but live in the real Eden let's make that one work :D No horn has never been greener than mine... |
YPSer
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:17:00 -
[808]
+1
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Guard I
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:19:00 -
[809]
ay
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DienstleistungsChar I
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:22:00 -
[810]
+1
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Devon Hunt
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:27:00 -
[811]
Signed!
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Moghydin
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:28:00 -
[812]
Edited by: Moghydin on 01/06/2010 21:30:25 Signed!
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Electric Zbiff
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:30:00 -
[813]
Yup, 1++
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Luccul
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:34:00 -
[814]
signed!
I agree that CCP ought to either scale back their rate of expansions (new content), or reduce the amount of new content per expansion because they seem to be creating more bugs and broken functionality each time that doesn't get fixed. As a 2-year plus subscriber, CCP can do as much to keep me interested in the game by improving existing content (ie fix bugs and make features work better) as they can by giving me new content to play with. |
Smurf Dog
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:39:00 -
[815]
The Tyrannis release is DOA - need to fix the bugs and especially the LAG.
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Linda Lipsynch
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:40:00 -
[816]
Supported! |
Cybrias
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:41:00 -
[817]
Signed
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Cail Fortestan
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:43:00 -
[818]
/signed.
I'd like to see a bit more "penetration testing" of new releases, with focus on e.g.
1. What ways are there for players to exploit this new release, and how can we protect against that ?
2. What areas have exploits been found in before, are we touching any of the same sorts of areas ?
I fully agree with the idea of aiming for Excellence. A tweak to that might be to do the release near to "release ready", but with the next added feature(s) firmly in development, and in a position to launch 1-2 months after the main release to maintain momentum. This also allows player and dev. feedback into the additional features.
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Votadini Smith
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:49:00 -
[819]
Can't argue with this. Although I'd like to both content AND fixes, fixes are LONG overdue!
Fix it, Jim! |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:50:00 -
[820]
Agreed
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Manji Lee
Galactic Express Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:51:00 -
[821]
Not to mention the alliance logos. They been saying were on it for years now, but where the **** is it???
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Monky Do
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:51:00 -
[822]
It'd help if all those that supported ticked the "Support this topic" checkbox too. Supported
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OneEye
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:52:00 -
[823]
/signed
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Otakanishj
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:55:00 -
[824]
Re-evaluation time.
IEEX: The Corp that became an Executor, that was cast out alone, that defied the Stainwagon. Striking Story
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Magnus Avalon
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:55:00 -
[825]
100% supported
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Dave PSI
Haendlergilde Gilde Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:56:00 -
[826]
signed
T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
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Nonni Kune
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:02:00 -
[827]
/love it. Supported. |
Smurphy1
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:04:00 -
[828]
weren't we promised more sov upgrades after dominion?
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Jomoni
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:09:00 -
[829]
Edited by: Jomoni on 01/06/2010 22:13:44 Jomoni approves of this message 10 fold.
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Batttlekiller
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:10:00 -
[830]
Signed
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Altara Caldire
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:12:00 -
[831]
+1
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Elstar
REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:14:00 -
[832]
signed
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Christos Hendez
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:14:00 -
[833]
SIGNED. APPROVED. LOVE.
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Kir Laeda
Caldari Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:18:00 -
[834]
+1 /signed
as soon as we got used to known bugs - CCP gives us new! Constant struggle I'm no hero. Never was. I'm just an old killer... Hired to do some wet work. Old Snake.
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stadshage
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:18:00 -
[835]
one more vote huh |
Kusher
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:18:00 -
[836]
Signed !
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Bald Rikk
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:19:00 -
[837]
Supported ---------------------------------------------- Baldrikk CCP Navigator : - "Can I have your stuff", "stuff, can I haz it?" or any variation of these sayings is considered spam. |
unloadedx16
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:24:00 -
[838]
Yes, it seems like it been getting worse and worse after each expansion. I feels like CCP just rushes a bunch of crap, put it together, throw it in game and forget about it.
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Kazang
Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:28:00 -
[839]
100% behind this.
Quantity over quality and shoddy design and implementation has been ccp's hallmark. With only a few exceptions "Expansions" are little more than glorified patches that break more than they fix.
If it wasn't for the uniqueness of the game it would be driven into the ground as a example of terrible design and management. Frankly that is how I see it: Unique but greatly flawed genius, and what is more is that the evolution of the game is making it less unique and more flawed.
The game should be refined, not bloated with useless and unwanted features that do nothing other than detract from the core game.
Kazang
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Nm'Me
Swedish Aerospace Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:31:00 -
[840]
I support this. _______________________ *snip* please keep sigs EVE-related. Contact [email protected] if you have any further questions - Karass Sayfo[/url] |
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Conner D'el
Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:36:00 -
[841]
+1
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Naecuss
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:36:00 -
[842]
I'm with OP, excellent, endorse and support. "Riding high on Lucifer's Spokes just keep on rolling n rolling." |
Slinky1984
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:36:00 -
[843]
+1 for supporting this!!
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Degotjov
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:38:00 -
[844]
+1
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kassie kelmar
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:39:00 -
[845]
Ave DV. |
Deja Thoris
Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:43:00 -
[846]
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Captain Shikaka
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:44:00 -
[847]
yes
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Zirse
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:48:00 -
[848]
Supported.
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Kon Victus
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:56:00 -
[849]
Signed
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Sabrina Al'Kian
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:01:00 -
[850]
Absolutely. If anything, CCP could at least implement a "Retro Revamp" expansion, in which they spent all their time fixing the stuff that's already in-game.
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Kol Skywalker
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:03:00 -
[851]
Edited by: Kol Skywalker on 01/06/2010 23:03:05 Signed!!!!
Quality over Quantity
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Diplomacy V
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:09:00 -
[852]
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atina03
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:13:00 -
[853]
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YzakJoule
Mercurialis Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:17:00 -
[854]
approved |
Lady St
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:17:00 -
[855]
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Citizen Koko
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:18:00 -
[856]
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Jenny FoX
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:19:00 -
[857]
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Methusela
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:19:00 -
[858]
+1
Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Sig file too big. Mail [email protected] for more info - Cathath |
Jenny RS
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:20:00 -
[859]
+1
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Gen Hausser
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:22:00 -
[860]
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Hyf1re
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:22:00 -
[861]
+1 |
Hanna MacGe
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:23:00 -
[862]
+1
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Natlie719
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:24:00 -
[863]
+1
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:29:00 -
[864]
Defiantly support this. __________________________
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TenjinRaijin
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:30:00 -
[865]
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Joseph Smith
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:35:00 -
[866]
Who needs dancing naked avatars, focus on fixing what we have before you add more.
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Raiden Kaine
Semper Liber
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Posted - 2010.06.01 23:43:00 -
[867]
I support this proposal. |
Valeriya
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:05:00 -
[868]
Very much yes. -
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
Valorous Bob
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:06:00 -
[869]
Great idea.
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FugginNutz
Trolls From Outer Space Manifest Destiny.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:12:00 -
[870]
+1
I would even support paying a nominal fee for an expansion pack if it meant get it f**king right the first time.
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Jaari Val'Dara
Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:17:00 -
[871]
I fully support. Shiny new stuff is fine, but for once CCP could dedicate entire expansion only to fix and refine already existing features. The longer they are not doing that, the more bugs will be piling up and the harder they will be to fix.
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Xrious
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:18:00 -
[872]
+1
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Eteoneus
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:20:00 -
[873]
supported |
Blind Philip
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:26:00 -
[874]
Posting in the best thread on the eve forums.
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Rebnott Valeri
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:27:00 -
[875]
Supported. |
MuffinsRevenger
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:41:00 -
[876]
More time to fully complete the visions set out for each patch, hopefully increasing quality? Yeah, there is no reason not to do this |
Cat Molina
Intransigent
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:45:00 -
[877]
Edited by: Cat Molina on 02/06/2010 00:44:52 +1 |
Andy Roo
Caldari Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:52:00 -
[878]
Agreed.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:57:00 -
[879]
Absolutely supported. More focus on making the existing game work better and less on shiny new features is something older eve players have been asking for forever.
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Rassad
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 00:58:00 -
[880]
Supported.
Ask yourself this.. What new features are actually active In the new Tyrannis expansion?
Since the patch day, we have a shiny new scorpion model, and some useless plex's all over the universe. um thanks CCP?
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Mrblop
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:00:00 -
[881]
+1
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Biche Seniel
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:14:00 -
[882]
Supporting this.
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guska Cryotank
Gallente Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:16:00 -
[883]
+1
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Seraphina Good
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:26:00 -
[884]
+1 |
MailDeadDrop
The Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:29:00 -
[885]
Perhaps we should be letting Hilmar Veigar PTtursson know of the problems, since it is apparent that lower levels of management are impervious to our feedback.
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson Grandagar=ur 8 101 Reykjavik Iceland Tel: (+354) 540 9100
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Camelionz
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:39:00 -
[886]
Fully Supported
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Jita Cend
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:41:00 -
[887]
Can't figure out how to log in with my main, but...
I endorse not getting an expansion for however long it takes ccp to fix bugs, find the thing causing the lag/ raise the capital to improve their server equiptment.
I have only been playing for about a year and a half, but I have gotten ar least one person interested in the game. I did not tell him about fighter bombers or PI. I told him about cut throat pvp, the giant pvp fleet battles that do actualy happen.
When those things are steadily deteriorating, something is wrong.
Excellence sounds like a great idea.
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Alaxen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:53:00 -
[888]
Edited by: Alaxen on 02/06/2010 01:56:08 Whilst most MMORPGs work on a system of making the release of new content a priority, I think most Eve players are generally more interested in the fixing of existing content. It makes more sense for a primarily PVP focused game. --
Lies, damned lies, and statistics |
Randomness888
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:54:00 -
[889]
Supported. I think that CCP did try to show some love to factional warfare with the new toys but it's too little too late.
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Rhosyr Hafod
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:06:00 -
[890]
Edited by: Rhosyr Hafod on 02/06/2010 02:07:12 I fully support this.
[EDIT] Also, how about rather than just taking this up in the forums, we take it to online publications? You know, like Massively or something.
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Mixelplix Hiero
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:08:00 -
[891]
+1
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Min Qa
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:08:00 -
[892]
+1 |
Quartz09
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:10:00 -
[893]
yup yup.. totally support !!
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Trebor09
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:11:00 -
[894]
+1
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seeknpeek
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:16:00 -
[895]
Fully supported
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Lord Alroon
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:25:00 -
[896]
Hell ya'...I love new stuff, but I sure prefer shiny old stuff...This is just crazy stuff, but we should get a "improvement only" expansion...that would be wild.
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Gidja
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:36:00 -
[897]
Edited by: Gidja on 02/06/2010 02:36:21 Supported.
At least if they could advise us of the QA and improvement processes we would know and understand what is being done to features (new and old) to make them acceptable. |
Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:51:00 -
[898]
Quantum Rise: Reloaded.
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Rebnok
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:52:00 -
[899]
**** YEAH The only thing im running is my mouth |
sperman
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:54:00 -
[900]
**** YEA
fix this ****
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CrotchCrickett
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:55:00 -
[901]
**** YEAH
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dichanglow
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:56:00 -
[902]
- sup -
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Theos
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:58:00 -
[903]
I've been in and out of eve since the beginning, and this is one of the few things that will make everyone happy. There is plenty of content CCP - Polish it. |
Mr SpaceJew
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:59:00 -
[904]
fix this mother ****er
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goldreborn
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 03:03:00 -
[905]
lol :ccp:
I would rather see a game that works
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Gefgarion Askaris
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:11:00 -
[906]
Agreed, lots of good existing content that would be even greater if fixed. ie Factional Warfare, Destroyers, Assault Frigates, Rockets, nullsec lag, the overview, etc.... |
Helnious
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:28:00 -
[907]
.
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Tetrix Akuta
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:37:00 -
[908]
please put your money where your mouth is.
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Aikea Guinea
Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 04:16:00 -
[909]
+1
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1200 baud
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Posted - 2010.06.02 04:33:00 -
[910]
Dance like it hurts, Love like you need money, Work when people are watching. - Scott Adams |
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Gi0
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 04:36:00 -
[911]
Supported. This needs to happen. CSM, bring this up!
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Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 04:38:00 -
[912]
Supported! --
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Kossaw
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 04:44:00 -
[913]
Supported |
Agluhs
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 04:50:00 -
[914]
Supported. One thing to add: listen to your customers, we pay you, not the other way around. |
Montar Ran
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Posted - 2010.06.02 04:52:00 -
[915]
Thumbs UP !!!
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Drillock
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.02 05:02:00 -
[916]
Edited by: Drillock on 02/06/2010 05:01:59 Supported |
JDawg1290
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 05:22:00 -
[917]
/signed |
Dri Kulsane
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 05:33:00 -
[918]
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Rixx Javix
m3 Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.02 05:38:00 -
[919]
Agreed and supported.
I believe one expansion a year and one "improvement" patch a year is a more realistic schedule, as many have already said there is an ever growing list of things that need some TLC.
EVEOGANDA |
Risandaar
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 05:41:00 -
[920]
+1
___________________ Risandaar
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Levers
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 05:54:00 -
[921]
agreed
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Kithiara
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 05:56:00 -
[922]
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foksieloy
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:01:00 -
[923]
922 posts in 3 days. Does that mean anything to you CCP? _______________________ We come for our people! |
dopesuxx
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:13:00 -
[924]
I support this. I even would prefer to have no extensions until the major problems are fixed.
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Undeadas2
Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:19:00 -
[925]
Sup.
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tehnomage
Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:21:00 -
[926]
+1 --
Someone once said about the "best pvp alliance in game", and I quote "DBP, if you can't beat them on the battlefield, beat them on the forums". |
Davik Rendar
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:22:00 -
[927]
Engine trails and cyno effect back too please
Eve Online Ship Chart |
weel barrow
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 06:26:00 -
[928]
yep.
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Nefera Jin
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:26:00 -
[929]
supported
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Casus X
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:28:00 -
[930]
Sounds about right
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Zargyl
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:33:00 -
[931]
Please make excellence not just a song but do work towards it CCP!
Supported as well
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Chagal Civ
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:37:00 -
[932]
Signing in with both hands. We need a major patch focused on improving the eve code and reducing the bugs/lag etc. etc. We don't need more "shiney" stuff eve has a lot to do in it already and constantly adding new content doesn't seem to improve the general eve experience. -------------------------------------------------- Join us : Recruitment thread |
Amanda Bynes
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:40:00 -
[933]
I agree with all the things OP said !
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papaPadla
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:52:00 -
[934]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
WALL OF TEXT
signed
ps - i see my 5 votes for you were not wasted keep it up
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Mr Digs
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:56:00 -
[935]
I support this. EVE time codes 60 Days EvE Game Time |
War Bear
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 07:13:00 -
[936]
Signed. Even stuff that was there at release (Bounty Hunting anyone?) is in need of a massive amount of love.
The fact the game is also getting worse in some areas too doesn't help much. Lag pre-Dominion, while not awesome, was at least half way decent. We've gone how long now with no fix from then. Many of us were hoping Tyranis would unscrew some of the problems. :(
Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song |
Yanna Karr
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 07:20:00 -
[937]
Yes please.
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Kaein Soturus
Eve University Ivy League
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 07:20:00 -
[938]
Edited by: Kaein Soturus on 02/06/2010 07:22:07 Supported |
virtualgenius
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Posted - 2010.06.02 07:23:00 -
[939]
I fully support this fix the broken stuff first and then release new content
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Ominae Australis
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Posted - 2010.06.02 07:27:00 -
[940]
I support this fully stop releasing new content and fix the broken stuff.
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Onerv
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.06.02 07:30:00 -
[941]
wah wah doopy doo Your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation. |
Variden
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.02 07:56:00 -
[942]
Supported
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Romulus XII
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:19:00 -
[943]
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Dhaan Amraphen
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:29:00 -
[944]
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Ort Lofthus
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:30:00 -
[945]
Gets my support. Lots of little things need fixing that really shouldn't be that difficult, starting with getting rid of the antiquated tier system and fixing some of the less useful t1 ships for one. I'd really like a good reason to fly cyclones again.
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Kyle Frost
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:37:00 -
[946]
*nod* -------------- Let the gun do the talking ! |
Anna Keiln
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:41:00 -
[947]
Originally by: Chagal Civ Signing in with both hands. We need a major patch focused on improving the eve code and reducing the bugs/lag etc. etc. We don't need more "shiney" stuff eve has a lot to do in it already and constantly adding new content doesn't seem to improve the general eve experience.
Yesh, yesh... polish before release, please! Polish!
P.S. Mr. Chagal Civ - you know you have to clicky the "Support this topic" checkbox, yesh?
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Clefmeister
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:44:00 -
[948]
Signed :) Well argued idd. ________________________ All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand |
Migitis
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:51:00 -
[949]
Supported.
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Herring
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:55:00 -
[950]
Oh hell yes, supported.
Excellence as described by the OP will bring you more players than you can imagine.
And I know you can imagine quite a few.
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Eric Fuhrmann
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:58:00 -
[951]
I support this.
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Lingu
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:58:00 -
[952]
+1
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Kassad
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:59:00 -
[953]
+1
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Raaki
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:00:00 -
[954]
Don't ignore this proposal ccp. +1
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KnightStar
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:01:00 -
[955]
+1
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Laedy
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:07:00 -
[956]
Excellent proposal, definitely supporting.
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Ryuichi
Queens of the Stone Age Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:09:00 -
[957]
I won't add to the complaints; I work in dev and I know how hard it can be when schedules are often dictated by marketing or other external factors rather than the amount of time it will actually take to do properly.
But I agree with the OP, and I would agree that CCP should assign two or more strike units for bug fixing and refactoring existing code (and if they do this already, to step up visibility and communication of the current SU backlogs to the playerbase). I doubt the player base will moan too much if the next expansion doesn't contain any new features, but addresses some of the more pressing concerns they have. And if they do, just tell them to HTFU.
Thank you please with sugar.
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Datari Langour
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:13:00 -
[958]
signed
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Easley Thames
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:35:00 -
[959]
Edited by: Easley Thames on 02/06/2010 09:40:58 I support this whole-heartedly. --------------------
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commander mordecai
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:36:00 -
[960]
supported
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Rhadit
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:36:00 -
[961]
+1
Rhadit
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Aut Nihil
Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:37:00 -
[962]
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Sir Zzang
Amarr REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:41:00 -
[963]
Supported ofc =)
+1 _ :D! |
Toolkas
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:45:00 -
[964]
+1
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newb000333
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:47:00 -
[965]
agree
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DirtySnipe
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:51:00 -
[966]
/me
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Robrian
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:52:00 -
[967]
I support this SS.E We are Recruiting.
Recruitment
web page |
Cpt Psycho
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:59:00 -
[968]
Agreed +1 |
Nimwa
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:03:00 -
[969]
Aye
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Thintalle
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:04:00 -
[970]
Signed.
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Spanar'n
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:04:00 -
[971]
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moritz koerner
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:05:00 -
[972]
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schurem
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:15:00 -
[973]
signed!
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Hallan Turrek
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:25:00 -
[974]
Jaundiced thumbs up. ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts
Check out my blog. |
Hiroshi Nagasaki
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:29:00 -
[975]
Supported as well
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Wild Spirit
REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:32:00 -
[976]
+1
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CyberDestroyer
REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:33:00 -
[977]
+1
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Jensk
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:46:00 -
[978]
Supported!
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washer woman
Hot Shots
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:51:00 -
[979]
supported
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Kharriga
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:52:00 -
[980]
+1 -
"I'm scissors. Paper is fine. Nerf rock!"
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Crossfire2142
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 10:55:00 -
[981]
+1 Supported
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Rain Coehati
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:07:00 -
[982]
Edited by: Rain Coehati on 02/06/2010 11:07:55 Supported
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Yarkan
H A V O C
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:09:00 -
[983]
Thumbs up
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sunfro
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:10:00 -
[984]
supported
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Kronossan
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:10:00 -
[985]
Edited by: Kronossan on 02/06/2010 11:11:05 Supported as long as the development of new features doesn't come to a complete stop. Progress on both fronts would be preferable. _________________
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DonSchoe II
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:11:00 -
[986]
+1 . .
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LeeYenChina
SCIKEM
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:12:00 -
[987]
Thumbs up
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Methaya Darkhunter
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:13:00 -
[988]
+1
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KristeL
The Wings of Maak
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:15:00 -
[989]
+1
Les useless stuff like PI, fix your game. ---- One of these days, i will come to cut you into little pieces. |
Daco Cutter
NQX Innovations Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:16:00 -
[990]
+1
I think eve needed a thread like this, CCP can't ignor a thread with 830+ supports to it.
Props to the OP ----------
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Uppsy Daisy
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:21:00 -
[991]
Supported with all my heart
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Ophias
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:23:00 -
[992]
Supported supported supported
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:28:00 -
[993]
I fully support this motion.
I'd happily forfeit new content if it meant that all the bugs were ironed out and incomplete content was finished.
Listen to the players CCP!
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Horionte
Bol Lox Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:30:00 -
[994]
Here's to a bugless EVE and no more PvUI non-gameplay! --
Notify You cannot post because you are being brain scrambled. |
Thereth
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:37:00 -
[995]
Edited by: Thereth on 02/06/2010 11:37:22 Supported. However it would be nice to hear from CCP, just acknowledging this would be a step forward
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Val Vherosan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:43:00 -
[996]
Yes please. It seems every release brings features I don't care about at the expense of the core of the game which drew me to eve.
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AlphaAngel
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:46:00 -
[997]
100% support this proposal! +1
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Liisa Neele
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:47:00 -
[998]
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Lea Sin
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:49:00 -
[999]
+1 |
Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:50:00 -
[1000]
Already supported by me. Just sniping post '1000
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Zaboth Garadath
No Limit Productions
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:52:00 -
[1001]
/signed
and 1000th post _____________________________________________
'If you really want to make someone hate you, explain to them, logically and politely, why they are wrong' - J. Baylock |
Muad' Dib
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:07:00 -
[1002]
Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 02/06/2010 12:06:54 supported --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
sykeq
NQX Innovations Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:07:00 -
[1003]
Supported.
However, the attraction to new features is understandable from both a marketing position and from the position of developers who want to work on something new and exciting.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:07:00 -
[1004]
another upwards thumb from this guy.
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Taint
Caldari Raata Invicti Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:07:00 -
[1005]
Tbh i only read + the text of wall, Dierdra Vaal sit down now, how many "expansions" comes each year from CCP 2 ? i lost count long ago, well lets say 2 that gives CCP 6 months to make it and for you to play, take Blizzard just for one, they make 1 for each 2 years or so, and its still full with ******ed problems. Point being that it dosnt matter who or what that makes the games, they cant make it 100% bug/issue free (sry came to think there is bubble bobble) its near perfekt, however stop blaming CCP they are doing what they can for you to enjoy your time in the game, and if you dont, then perhabs you should try something else.
I find this game near exelent
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Mazare Mircea
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:08:00 -
[1006]
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 02/06/2010 12:09:21
Originally by: Taint Tbh i only read + the text of wall, Dierdra Vaal sit down now, how many "expansions" comes each year from CCP 2 ? i lost count long ago, well lets say 2 that gives CCP 6 months to make it and for you to play, take Blizzard just for one, they make 1 for each 2 years or so, and its still full with ******ed problems. Point being that it dosnt matter who or what that makes the games, they cant make it 100% bug/issue free (sry came to think there is bubble bobble) its near perfekt, however stop blaming CCP they are doing what they can for you to enjoy your time in the game, and if you dont, then perhabs you should try something else.
I find this game near exelent
I'd like some of what your smoking. o.0
hell yeah ----- Do androids dream of electric sheep ?
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Seline Gylen
SG Investments
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:08:00 -
[1007]
Edited by: Seline Gylen on 02/06/2010 12:08:23 +1
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Corelin
Caldari Sons Of 0din
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:08:00 -
[1008]
Signed, Supported, Make it happen.
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Hamano Naoki
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:10:00 -
[1009]
yes
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Jedziah
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:11:00 -
[1010]
I first and foremost would never go as far to say that CCP are 'doing it wrong' or anything along those lines.
Agile Methodologies relate to gaining constant user feedback upon developments and making constant improvements towards a final product. Whilst CCP have been very good at listening to the end user in recent years, I do feel there is just a little too much being developed at once now. This in turn is really coming a great cost to the performance of the game.
There are a lot of features in game that have been so called 'left to one side' in space for extra content. Eve does not need to be diluted in quality. CCP are years ahead of the nearest contender in terms of development and production in the MMO world but are in danger of making a quality product become a quantity one very rapidly.
+1
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Milostiev
7th Regiment Roamer Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:11:00 -
[1011]
Edited by: Milostiev on 02/06/2010 12:14:56 all for it
Originally by: Jedziah I first and foremost would never go as far to say that CCP are 'doing it wrong' or anything along those lines.
Agile Methodologies relate to gaining constant user feedback upon developments and making constant improvements towards a final product. Whilst CCP have been very good at listening to the end user in recent years, I do feel there is just a little too much being developed at once now. This in turn is really coming a great cost to the performance of the game.
There are a lot of features in game that have been so called 'left to one side' in space for extra content. Eve does not need to be diluted in quality. CCP are years ahead of the nearest contender in terms of development and production in the MMO world but are in danger of making a quality product become a quantity one very rapidly.
+1
Agile Methodology means that the company listens to the user feeback ... true but this has stopped being the case with CCP. FW is not looked at and they fidle fingers when they are asked, rockets are still borken when many simple fixes have been suggested, blasters needs a bit of rebalancing, the window resizing bug is still alive - after 2yrs, they did not listen to PI suggestions from users who identified the problems, they did not listen to past suggestions on SISI thread, they don't have a database of often found bugs that the GM's can access, they have senior GM's which lack game mechanics knowledge, and i could really go on ...
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Lokrit
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:12:00 -
[1012]
supported
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Bea Mona
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:18:00 -
[1013]
+1
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Longon
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:18:00 -
[1014]
Supported
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Darknes Falls
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:19:00 -
[1015]
ggg
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Draco Long
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:19:00 -
[1016]
Supported
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Shruikan Sharp
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:20:00 -
[1017]
+1
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Saphira L
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:21:00 -
[1018]
Yes please
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Babbata
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:22:00 -
[1019]
+1 |
Tirun Araun
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:30:00 -
[1020]
Excellent idea! -- "The planets of a trillion suns can [...] become infected with the itch of thought - that great pandemic! - as readily as one." Tigerishka, in "The Wanderer" by Fritz Leiber
Denied cAKe - Cortes What about COOkieS? ~kieron |
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Tourai DuTong
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:32:00 -
[1021]
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TheBlueMonkey
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:37:00 -
[1022]
100% agree with this
Personally, I'd be happy with no expansions for a year at the minimum and have them just focus on fixing all the broken bits, rebalancing bits and making eve what it should be.
Plus, Eve's a sand box, an expansion should be a few new ships or similar. I get what they're going for with PI, in that we're moving away from NPC sell orders and getting everything created by players but we need to have a much more stable base to work from first or the players will just get board and move one.
Finally, Work out a way of making it so that "out blobbing the enemy" isn't always the best approach to every battle. --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Rolgann
NQX Innovations Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:39:00 -
[1023]
+1
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Velnah Nav'skar
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:40:00 -
[1024]
+1
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xHazzarDx
The Graduates
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:43:00 -
[1025]
+1
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Schwester C
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:46:00 -
[1026]
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Jasmin Kron
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:47:00 -
[1027]
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Eurulf Ofinur
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:47:00 -
[1028]
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R053
U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:47:00 -
[1029]
Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
Personally, I'd be happy with no expansions for a year at the minimum and have them just focus on fixing all the broken bits, rebalancing bits and making eve what it should be.
Yep, I think we can all agree to that... Make New Eden a better (and more stable) place for all of us. Be (more) excellent. EVE Never Fades |
Combat Boosters
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:47:00 -
[1030]
+1
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SANYOKA
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:55:00 -
[1031]
100% agree with this
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Neovenator
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:59:00 -
[1032]
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Lady Ocelot
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:04:00 -
[1033]
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:12:00 -
[1034]
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 02/06/2010 13:14:26
A total support with the OP.
In fact, I will go further than him. Features are a thing, but balancing must be done too (RSD, Rockets, AF, etc...).
Exemple, we wait since 18 months that CCP repair rockets, but they failed to find few minutes to do it... New players, even after some months of playing, sometimes have no idea what a Remote Sensor Dampener is, as they have been overnerfed so much that they are now useless, etc...
CCP always use new expansions to SOMETIMES, correct balancing. This is a bad politic.
So, CCP should begin to release frequent small patchs, who would only do balancing (to avoid bugs). That would permit to correct/recorrect all ships and modules faster than before, until they reach excellence. _______ With the NGE, I'm sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn't listen to the fans when we should have. - John Smedley, CEO of Sony Online Entertainment |
Tenchuu Khaan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:22:00 -
[1035]
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Hitomi Desu
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:22:00 -
[1036]
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Merloth Leoni
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:25:00 -
[1037]
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Tiki mooooooooooooooooon
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:27:00 -
[1038]
+1
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Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:30:00 -
[1039]
+1
Catchy title too
________________________________________________ Check us out : Sleeper Pimps ________________________________________________
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Count Angelus
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:35:00 -
[1040]
Supported.
The game is awesome as is, the need for things to work smoother is bigger then new stuff that just adds to the issue-pile.
You can doo eeet!
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:43:00 -
[1041]
Originally by: Count Angelus Supported.
The game is awesome as is, the need for things to work smoother is bigger then new stuff that just adds to the issue-pile.
You can doo eeet!
Everyone who's saying 'supported' needs to click that box under the reply window, or it doesn't count. Just a reminder.
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Serotta Ortot
Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:47:00 -
[1042]
Less PI and stuff, more 'fix the lag'...and no, I'm not downloading Singularity patch to help you, since I pay for my subs with hard $
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The VoidStalker
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:52:00 -
[1043]
+1
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Aiura
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:52:00 -
[1044]
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Tenchi Arasaka
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:54:00 -
[1045]
+1
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sven spacey
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:54:00 -
[1046]
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Goddess Amaterasu
Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:55:00 -
[1047]
+2
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Xeent Tsool
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:55:00 -
[1048]
I agree 100%. CCP, please skip an expansion or two and instead work like monkeys to repair/upgrade/polish pre-existing bits of the game. Thanks! |
Quential
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:00:00 -
[1049]
CCP, please skip one or two expansions in favour of fixing things. THANKS.
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Niro Cirvante
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:06:00 -
[1050]
100% support the OP on this.
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Jubal Dara
Ordnance Tech Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:28:00 -
[1051]
I'm in and I agree 100%.
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:33:00 -
[1052]
forgot the checkbox . Supported.
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Mayyee
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:34:00 -
[1053]
quality > quantity
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Graham Johnstone
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:34:00 -
[1054]
Fully supported.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:37:00 -
[1055]
If only the CSM counted for somthing :( --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Ishihiro tanaka
NED-Clan Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:38:00 -
[1056]
Edited by: Ishihiro tanaka on 02/06/2010 14:38:43 /signed .. ... .... .. .... .. .-. --- - .- -. .- -.- .- A bullet, Laser beam or Plasma charge may have your name on it..... A Smartbomb or Shrapnel is adressed "To whom it may concern"... |
Tasha Voronina
Caldari Navy Reserve Force
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:49:00 -
[1057]
I've always been of the opinion that quality is more important than quantity (though neither should ever get neglected entirely). Hence my support of this proposal. --- Sig will be updated shortly |
Liorah
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:52:00 -
[1058]
Quote: From all I've seen, this is the root cause of every fight that the CSM has ever had with CCP. They want more, we want better. It's natural, given the incentives - we care most about having a game we like more, they care most about increasing the subscriber base - but it's not healthy. I think the CSM has the right side of this more so than CCP does, because subscriber retention is a massive sticking point for Eve.
Indeed. I really like this game, and it has a LOT of incredible potential, if they just finish some of the numerous things they've started and left half-baked.
If they fix the many problems, and actually add some flesh to the countless skeleton ideas in the game, I will re-sub my accounts. Until then, their inaction has cost them subscriber accounts.
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Calvinus Maximus
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:56:00 -
[1059]
Supported
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Milo Caman
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:58:00 -
[1060]
Supported ---
Originally by: Sarina Berghil I think the reason your guns didn't work is because you're trying to hunt squirrels with Howitzers.
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Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:02:00 -
[1061]
Edited by: Roc Wieler on 02/06/2010 15:03:20 Supported
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ssuLost
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 15:06:00 -
[1062]
Supported |
Squizz Caphinator
First Flying Wing Inc Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:06:00 -
[1063]
this includes alliance logos too!
(no, I won't give up on that) --
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Silenciel
Penguins at school
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:08:00 -
[1064]
Agree, more realibility is needed for perfection. __________________________________________________
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Sabua
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:09:00 -
[1065]
sounds neat go go go CCP
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Trasience
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:13:00 -
[1066]
Edited by: Trasience on 02/06/2010 15:13:04 +!
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gsPhil
Erlang Biolabs Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:16:00 -
[1067]
I support this
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Silent Bruce
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:17:00 -
[1068]
Edited by: Silent Bruce on 02/06/2010 15:18:13 Supported.
CCP claim to follow the Scrum agile process. They have made good progress in finally recognising their customers (represented by the CSM) as a stakeholder and involving them in the development process.
However their adherence to fixed release dates is much more indicative of olde worlde waterfall development, not agile practices. Agile, and Scrum in particular, advocate selecting the highest priority feature (as chosen by the customer) and implementing that to a release-ready state before moving on to the next highest priority feature. It takes as long as it takes, as estimated by the pigs, not by the chickens in marketing and finance.
It seems almost unique to the game industry that software is permitted to be released without proper user acceptance testing and quality gating. If CCP truly observed the best practice that they claim, they would listen to their customers' cries for quality and take a good hard look at their release management. Short release cycles are not necessarily an indication of agility, when they are driven by arbitrary dates instead of production readiness.
In Tyrannis's case, there are clear indications of quality being sacrificed to meet a date. Call it "last minute unforeseen issues" if you like. Call it "two weeks for players to settle in" if you like. I call it shenanigans. Every software professional playing Eve knows what really happened - you *******ed up the release because you were chasing a date. It happens. It's only unforgivable if you do it again and again.
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Iltarus Almondis
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:21:00 -
[1069]
This is so +1!
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Gjs312
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:22:00 -
[1070]
Tbh I think the smartest thing they could do from a marketing standpoint is take 3 (or hell, 6) months and just go back and fix existing bugs and issues and release a minimum amount of new content, its what players have been practically screaming at them to do for at least a year now but CCP seem to have their fingers stuck in their ears. Marketing could come up for some sort of a cool name for it if they want to feel useful.
As it stands, I think a lot of eve frustration stems from new releases introducing a lot of new features designed to look pretty in advertisements (planetary interaction strikes me as a replacement for walking in stations, as imo ambulation will probably never get introduced due to the crusade players have made against it for the exact reasons I was just saying). Meanwhile the game experience for veterans still feels like one based in buggy, badly written 2001 era code, I.E. one node per system and a whole bunch of bugs and design flaws introduced by development teams stuck in the mentality of "release and forget about it" in a number of examples with factional warfare as a glaring one.
End result is that existing subscribers feel that CCP couldn't give a **** about them compared to grabbing up as many new trial accounts and prospective members as possible with flashy new content now matter how badly implemented. Its sort of a disenchanting feeling when you look back on it as CCP seems to be forgetting its roots as a small down to earth company that was built on being in touch with its player-base and grown up into just another faceless international corporation that like many others seems to base most decisions on the bottom line profit. I'm not going to jump on the "SUBS CANCELLED TAKE THAT" bandwagon since they have heard it so many times insincerely it means nothing (and I probably won't), but I can really say I've been noticing a lot less general "interest" in the game then I did a year ago.
Also bring back nanos they were counterable with heavy neuts **** carebears.
TL:DR- Whiny bitter vet.
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Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:33:00 -
[1071]
Eurrrgh. The fix list is long but all the fixes are minimal changes that will make an enormous difference.
Please CCP, listen to your player base. We want things that work, not things that kind of work and a load of new stuff to distract us from the stuff that doesn't work. I think everyone accepts that P.I was a must and should of been around from the start but wasn't because its such a huge element of the game. I think we all understand how difficult it was to implement and we appreciate the hard work you have done but please, throw some resources towards fixing everything that doesn't work, is mediocre or requires a complete overhaul.
** Supported **
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Dave Iratus
Caminus Trux Germani Ewoks
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:34:00 -
[1072]
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Pay M
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:34:00 -
[1073]
supportet 100%
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Ranger002
High Guard Command
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:38:00 -
[1074]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Is CCP's frantic release schedule to blame? Are 6 months really enough time to develop new features AND improve old features AND fix bugs? While it is awesome to get two free expansions a year, isn't CCP risking quality in order to maintain quantity? Perhaps a release schedule of 9 months per expansion (so 2 expansions every year and half) will give them more time to develop existing features into Excellence, as well as developing new features into a good release-ready state.
This!
Your personal liberty is your most prized possession. If you trade it for momentary comfort or security, you will regret it, soon and forever. Benjamen Franklin
ôNutsö û General McAuliffe |
bonesbro
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:42:00 -
[1075]
Supported. Please - skip an expansion and just fix bugs. Fix lots of bugs. Fix the font (my eyes aren't good and getting worse, and reading the game gives me migraines).
Polish. Polish. Polish!
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Arrhidaeus
The Bastards The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:44:00 -
[1076]
To be cliche, "Good is the enemy of Great."
Support x10000
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Emini
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:45:00 -
[1077]
Edited by: Emini on 02/06/2010 15:45:34 I support this. +1
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L'Artisan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:46:00 -
[1078]
Absolutely concur, check the wheels are tightly fastened on the shiney new car of features before driving it. ;)
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Mr XEM
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:47:00 -
[1079]
+1
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:48:00 -
[1080]
Yes please . . .
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
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Galendor Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:50:00 -
[1081]
for real
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Medea Rhion
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:51:00 -
[1082]
Oh my god, where do I sign up for this!
Oh wait, I sign up here!
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Tomazoak
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:53:00 -
[1083]
Approving, For Great Justice!
Or, just because making the "Really, Really super cool features" WORK is better in my opinion then coming up with new "Really, Really super cool features" that don't.
The above post represents the views of me, myself, and I, and should not in anyway be considered the public voice of MM. . . Orree does a WAY better job of that then I ever could anyways! |
Cerrentha
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:56:00 -
[1084]
Supported
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piedplat
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:57:00 -
[1085]
+1
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Krispy Dingo
Strangers in a Strange Land
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:57:00 -
[1086]
+1
_____________________________ http://twitter.com/krispy_dingo |
Cyferwolf
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:01:00 -
[1087]
Excellence is nice, but I think the best way to demonstrate is with something concrete. CCP should commit the next dev cycle entirely to improvements and fixes. Maybe call it rebirth or some such. Make a few more of the really hideously ugly ships look nice(merlin and rupture plox) and other than that buckle down and pick a few problem areas and fix them. Improve the ui, make faction warfare less exploitable, something. Let CCP show that they can stop chasing shiny new stuff and really focus on making everything in the game excellent.
As for lag, how about some more of those who complain about it show up for the testing on sisi? Prolly been said before, but it's worth saying again.
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Stratio
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:10:00 -
[1088]
_____________________
Poreuomai's Spokesman For Tribe and Honour! |
Antarr Slagh
Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:13:00 -
[1089]
+1
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Maurok Ortega
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:23:00 -
[1090]
Well written protest to an issue I think the majority of EVE players would like to see adressed.
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Zealc
Eve Liberation Force OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:24:00 -
[1091]
+1
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ZealousAndy
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:24:00 -
[1092]
The only way forward!!
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Jarek Kalensa
The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:28:00 -
[1093]
Yes, yes, a million times yes. Excellent post. I hope that CCP realise that their most incredible asset is the players that care passionately about EVE, and learn to listen to them when then give feedback.
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Cerys Magente
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:32:00 -
[1094]
Supported
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Raceleader
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:34:00 -
[1095]
Supported !
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Kantar
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:36:00 -
[1096]
Edited by: Kantar on 02/06/2010 16:36:53 +1 Stop introducing new stuff just for the sake of it and FIX whats already ingame, every expansion screw something up.
Next Expansion FIX FIX FIX.
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Mokor
Black Omega Armory
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:38:00 -
[1097]
Jepp, indeed
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Abby Kenhaw
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:43:00 -
[1098]
Supported.
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Danbar Roth
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:45:00 -
[1099]
Signed
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Ethan Row
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:51:00 -
[1100]
Signed
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Hori To
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:58:00 -
[1101]
/signed |
Xi Monakh
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:00:00 -
[1102]
+1
While I know how challenging it is to push bug fixes instead of shiny new features into a release, keeping existing players from canceling their accounts is as important as acquiring new players.
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EL NaBe
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:02:00 -
[1103]
meh...well yes
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Malakai Asamov
Minmatar NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:02:00 -
[1104]
I don't agree.
Because i don't agree with your personal definition of what excellence is.
"because excellence is more than the bare minimum by definition" that is rubbish. Some of the best designed things in the world attain that status, that excellence by being the bare minimum.
"...establish at the start of develpment at which point that feature is 'excellent'." and how do you measure such a thing?
"Even though parts of it got inevitably cut due to time constraints. This means they have not yet reached excellence." Parts also get cut because they are not necessary, overly complicate, provide no benefit, etc, etc
"But for a company claiming to be dedicated to excellence, their eve-development does not reflect this." Compared to that other company developing eve? or that eve clone?
Unfortunately the world is not an ideal scenario kind of place and i am of the opinion that Eve is already an outstanding product mainly because there is nothing i can compare it to.
If you watch the video you linked CCP defined what their excellence is, so maybe base your argument on that and not your own definition of the word?
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Az'kari
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:04:00 -
[1105]
100% supported!
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gollu
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:07:00 -
[1106]
Signed |
Aralieus
The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:08:00 -
[1107]
Yessir...100% Supported
Fortune favors the bold!!! |
Chevran Polt
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:08:00 -
[1108]
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Trinneth
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:09:00 -
[1109]
Edited by: Trinneth on 02/06/2010 17:09:33 Supported. Far too often, features which don't make it in time for an expansion don't make it at all.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:09:00 -
[1110]
Mostly agreed.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:10:00 -
[1111]
After their latest string of fubars, snafus and general rushed, low-quality work, I can only say one thing: /signed, oh so freakin' much.
_
Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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TheLordofAllandNothing
NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:12:00 -
[1112]
Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 02/06/2010 17:12:46 Supported one billion percent.
Quote: After their latest string of fubars, snafus and general rushed, low-quality work, I can only say one thing: /signed, oh so freakin' much.
THIS. ****ING THIS
_______________________ Fix rockets in '09 =( |
Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:13:00 -
[1113]
-b -b |
Korenav
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:14:00 -
[1114]
+1
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:14:00 -
[1115]
There's clearly something wrong when millions of people have tried a game, but only a small percentage stay.
Reevaluating and improving the overall game experience will bring more new players than any amount of new content will.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Ravenstain
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:18:00 -
[1116]
Originally by: Malcanis
If CCP want to have 2 "HEY LOOK" headlines a year, which is a perfectly reasonable thing for an MMO company to want, then they should have 1 big NEW STUFF expansion and one smaller "Review" expansion where they fix, update and complete.
This ^ and I love EVE now and would love it still more if fixed.
VERY MUCH SUPPORTED!
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Zirator
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:18:00 -
[1117]
I support this topic
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Ilfort
Moira. Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:19:00 -
[1118]
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Neihart Flanders
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:21:00 -
[1119]
I hear there's free excellence in this thread?
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Irumani
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:21:00 -
[1120]
/signed
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Lawrence01
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:21:00 -
[1121]
Supported...and PLEASE FOR THE LUV OF GOD FIX DRONE UI AND EXPLORATION...its fukin ridiculous
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ROXGenghis
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:21:00 -
[1122]
I don't see how new content helps get new subscribers, since they haven't even had a chance to try the existing content yet!
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kano donn
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:22:00 -
[1123]
+1
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:22:00 -
[1124]
Fantastic!
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Douglass Bryant
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:24:00 -
[1125]
+1.
Haven't been playing long, but CCP's lack of "talking up" to a player base which is full of smart people is very disappointing. I pay monthly, I don't feel it's too much to ask for updates on the issues the community brings up on at least as frequent a schedule, if not more, and in a tone that brings complete and valuable information instead of tossing empty bones.
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Thirler
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:25:00 -
[1126]
Very good post.
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Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:31:00 -
[1127]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal The planners of CCP's development seem to run from one shiny new feature to the next like a kid on ADHD.
QFT, you couldn't have said it better
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Aeila Goch
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:31:00 -
[1128]
I'm all for sorting the existing game before adding any more new 'features'.
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Luna HI
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:33:00 -
[1129]
Logging on the alts to support this!
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MillerLite Trader
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:33:00 -
[1130]
More Support!
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Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:36:00 -
[1131]
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Rastaman Bongmaster
I Love You Mary Jane
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:40:00 -
[1132]
/signed
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Storik
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:46:00 -
[1133]
Yeppers
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Shijo Kingo
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:51:00 -
[1134]
+1
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Sellmewarez
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:51:00 -
[1135]
Yes
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Gunner
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:07:00 -
[1136]
+1 ofc.
*** 2007.10.06 R.I.P. Hatuk my friend.
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Amarraah
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:08:00 -
[1137]
Agreed
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Kalain ap'Sulen
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:11:00 -
[1138]
Freaking a man - develop what you have. Take a year off from development and spend it fixing existing issues. Quando ami flunkus morti. |
Deasy
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:13:00 -
[1139]
Yes, please!
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Jakob Abd'ammar
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:14:00 -
[1140]
+1
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Armon Strathame
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:15:00 -
[1141]
/signed
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Nooma K'Larr
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:16:00 -
[1142]
/signed
------------------------------------------------ Urging CCP to work on current issues next expansion. |
Daemyion
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:16:00 -
[1143]
Indeed.
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins Redneck Rage
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:24:00 -
[1144]
Signed. *SPLUD* |
Seraphim Risen
Seraphim Holdings
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:26:00 -
[1145]
Agreed ----------------------------------- The Republic has failed and abandoned its people. I can no longer stand beneath its flag and honestly say I believe in my cause. |
Captain Bevier
Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:27:00 -
[1146]
I totally agree with this
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:28:00 -
[1147]
Supported PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!! |
Isabelle Ilargi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:40:00 -
[1148]
+1 |
Takurar
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:41:00 -
[1149]
/signed
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Lady Spank
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:44:00 -
[1150]
Supported even though CCP will likely ignore this. ~_~
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Mortaock
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:47:00 -
[1151]
/signed
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Ircatius
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:48:00 -
[1152]
/signed
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Aleska Noso
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:50:00 -
[1153]
Absolutely. 3352rded.
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SR65
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:51:00 -
[1154]
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Lya Naylo
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:56:00 -
[1155]
+1 ! Northern Coalition - Best friends forever ♥ |
Xitahr
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:06:00 -
[1156]
\o/
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Dhasso
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:14:00 -
[1157]
/signed
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Arduemont
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:18:00 -
[1158]
Supported,
Although, I would really like to see Incarna coming out soon, I'd rather you took your time about everything. If I had to wait another 3 years for Incarna, I'd wait.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Original Sin.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:20:00 -
[1159]
I'd say this is a threadnaught. So how about a response, CCP?
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Heo Hyungie
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:22:00 -
[1160]
Agreed...CCP need to read this and start re-thinking of their definition of 'excellence'
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Mizaki Darkmist
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:23:00 -
[1161]
I'd be happy with less frequent expansions if it also meant getting features more complete at release and support/improvements to them after deployment.
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Lakasha Nachthexen
Hellcats HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:23:00 -
[1162]
yep
View my Hellcats Blog Lakasha of Eve. |
Jaggins
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:23:00 -
[1163]
Edited by: Jaggins on 02/06/2010 19:24:22 I would like to see fixes and "polish" prioritized. The game is already amazing, it would benefit from better fleshed out features, improved UI, and bug fixes.
With that being said, it would be nice to see Incarna before the world ends in 2012!
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Persephone Silver
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:29:00 -
[1164]
Yes, please!
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Acid Sniper
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:35:00 -
[1165]
Supported 110% "Patriotism isn't dying for your country, it's making the other poor dumb bast*rd die for his" ~ Gen Patton |
Elynath
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:39:00 -
[1166]
supported |
Kashmyta
Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:40:00 -
[1167]
Agreed
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Jessie Arr
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:43:00 -
[1168]
/signed.
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Alsa Travel
Goin' Commando
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:45:00 -
[1169]
Agreed. newbie |
Yarri Veraal
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:55:00 -
[1170]
Wish I could run my business this way. Charge my clients an amount and only deliver half of what I promised. I could could make a fortune. Maybe they are onto something here. Fix the damn game or start comping us for the blatant breach of contract.
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Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:11:00 -
[1171]
Agreed. |
XIRUSPHERE
Gallente THE DISC
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:13:00 -
[1172]
signed |
Glafri
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:20:00 -
[1173]
Bout time they pulled their fingers out of their rears and fixed all the broken stuff.
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Ar Zor
Jupiter Force Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:24:00 -
[1174]
Dear CCP,
No-one I spoke with wants planetary interaction. Not carebears, not PvPers, not industrialists, not wormhole dwellers, not anyone.
Everyone I talk to hates the lag and bugs in EVE.
You put resources into developing an optional minigame instead of fixing bugs and brokenness in your core features.
At this point, most PI is a sunk cost. Please stop digging. Delay the introduction of Command Centers for a few months and fix some bugs instead of introducing features that will inevitably have more bugs to fix.
* Black screens aren't OK. If they see me, I should see them. Period. This isn't about whether it's OK to sit at a black screen for five minutes or five seconds. No amount of time is acceptable.
* Broken overview is not cool. Stuff not updating, colors bleeding over with blood-red friendlies, ewar icons not appearing, tabs not loading, sorting taking tens of seconds, etc., etc.
* Allocate more resources to the Need for Speed if you still even have that. Login became faster in Tyrannis. Thank you! That's the only Tyrannis change I really noticed and liked. Please make it still faster. Make undocks faster. Make jumps faster.
* My client eats characters I type in chat. No, my keyboard is fine, as is my typing in every other app.
* My client switches into a mode it thinks a modifier key is pressed (ctrl or shift or whatnot). Routinely. I don't know what triggers it, but switching out of the app and back in makes it go away for a while. So if I close our chat window for no obvious reasons or my drones start flying towards you, chances are I don't hate you.
* Speaking of drones, my drones ignore my orders for tens of seconds at a time. Not cool.
If you feel the urge to add shiny stuff; if you believe that you need to be adding things to keep all players happy, here's an easy solution:
Add new ship models. Clone the guy that made the new Scorpion and make him redo the Raven, the Drake, the Ferox, the Blackbird, and the Moa. Then do the Dominix.
Better models are always loved by players, even those that don't fly the ship. And they can't introduce significant bugs.
Thank you for listening.
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Jose Gali
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:25:00 -
[1175]
i support Dierdra Vaal's proposal.
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Aizu Intaki
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:29:00 -
[1176]
Reluctantly, I must agree. The boot.ini thing seemed to mark the start of somewhat sloppy releases. I appreciate that things are a bit more complex in EvE now, but Slowing down a bit is probably a good idea.
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Crest Cutty
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:29:00 -
[1177]
Supported |
Joshua MIstweaver
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:53:00 -
[1178]
yup
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Gideon Goldenbelly
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 20:55:00 -
[1179]
you got a chance to really forge one of the best games ever
dont miss it by focusing fire on da wrong target
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Yuki YokaiYasha
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:56:00 -
[1180]
-=(^^)=-
above fishy agrees to topic
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TokageChan
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 21:00:00 -
[1181]
signed
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Equinox II
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:01:00 -
[1182]
Yes please
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Hayden Altier
Wolfpack Explorations Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:01:00 -
[1183]
Supported.
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Tori Hime
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 21:02:00 -
[1184]
supported
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Stupid McStupidson
Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:08:00 -
[1185]
yesplz
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He dares
Silexx
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 21:14:00 -
[1186]
thumbs uup
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Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:16:00 -
[1187]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal (cont.) It is important that old features are excellent before it is too late and we're covered in a huge pile of broken, half finished content.
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Nanita Imlae
Original Sin.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:17:00 -
[1188]
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Laboheme Orchid
S E K H M E T
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:25:00 -
[1189]
So supported!
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Tyr Aeron
L0pht Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:28:00 -
[1190]
Edited by: Tyr Aeron on 02/06/2010 21:28:26 I have an additional point that may motivate CCP into shoring up the foundation before they add another floor to the trailer house.
For every new expansion, they are introducing new bugs. Those, compiled with bugs from previous releases, drive players bat-**** crazy. At some point, every player will eventually reach a point at which they will no longer be willing to shell out hard earned cash to play.
As the number of bugs increases, the number of players declines. I would be interested to see how many new accounts are started with the release of every new expansion and how many are allowed to go inactive within a couple weeks.
FIX THE CRAP CCP!!! Or sooner or later, you'll have no one left to develop new features for. It's not like there aren't a gajillion other MMO's out there that wouldn't be more than happy to take our money.
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Triab
Black Prophecy
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:33:00 -
[1191]
Supported
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Maurice's
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:41:00 -
[1192]
+1
fix laggggggggggg
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Janos Saal
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:43:00 -
[1193]
Supported wholeheartedly.
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hgedsku
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 21:53:00 -
[1194]
dam, this is like a thread-titan now.
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Ciarente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:54:00 -
[1195]
Supported Ciarente Roth's Personal Files
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Dark Angel15
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:59:00 -
[1196]
Agree here.
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Geana Tem
Gallente The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:03:00 -
[1197]
/signed
I suggest CCP adopts Intel's Tick-Tock Model for development.
6 month cycle concentration of all resources on refining existing processes followed by a 6 month cycle of developing new features.
Quote: Tick-tock in action Year 1: First the "Tick" Intel delivers new silicon process technology, dramatically increasing transistor density while enhancing performance and energy efficiency within a smaller, more refined version of our existing microarchitecture. Year 2: Then the "Tock" Intel delivers entirely new processor microarchitecture to optimize the value of the increased number of transistors and technology updates now available.
- http://www.intel.com/technology/tick-tock/index.htm?iid=tech_as+rhc_ticktock
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Easthir Ravin
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:04:00 -
[1198]
What she said!
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Franga
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:06:00 -
[1199]
Did any of you read the Tyrannis expansion notes? The vast majority of them were bug fixes, one of the very things you all are saying CCP should do better with.
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Vilgan Aden
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:12:00 -
[1200]
agreed. Next year should be spent finishing dominion/PI imo.
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Kaliana Furie
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:13:00 -
[1201]
/signed
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Joran Maklavic
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:13:00 -
[1202]
Edited by: Joran Maklavic on 02/06/2010 22:13:36 Agreed.
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Slayventhekiller
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:16:00 -
[1203]
/signed
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:17:00 -
[1204]
Originally by: Slayventhekiller /signed
need to actually check to support the topic
/signed
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Godboy28
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:18:00 -
[1205]
/signed
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente Gung-Ho
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:21:00 -
[1206]
Originally by: Franga Did any of you read the Tyrannis expansion notes? The vast majority of them were bug fixes, one of the very things you all are saying CCP should do better with.
Did you read how many new (and old) bugs tyrannis introduced? You might wanna check the "Tyrannis issue thread" dude....
CCP has not been able to create a decent price history graph since dominion. That graph has been bugged since the launch of it.... That's a pretty long time already for something as simple as A GRAPH!! And I have no illusion of them fixing it anytime soon...
Claiming to be 'excellent' and not even being able to make a correct graph out of simple database data is pretty pathetic....
And that's just one of many, many, many examples...
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Vilgan i'Lakin
Pirates and Ninjas
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:21:00 -
[1207]
/signed
Winter expansion should be finishing dominion/tyrannis, with no new "big" plans. Lets have Eve in a really good state before Incarna hits (2011/2012/whatever).
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Kristaara
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:23:00 -
[1208]
/signed
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ZenithDK
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:24:00 -
[1209]
+1
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Meelah Ra
Aperture Harmonics K162
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:24:00 -
[1210]
/signed
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Meridian Black
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:24:00 -
[1211]
+1
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Redo Jorias
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:25:00 -
[1212]
+1
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Akira Zalkos
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:28:00 -
[1213]
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Kralin Ignatov
The Arrow Project
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:31:00 -
[1214]
/signed ______________________ There once was a killboard for BoB, then there was no BoB. - killboard.net |
Ivanda NothaCiggie
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:36:00 -
[1215]
+1
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Mr Matanza
Samsara Dynamics BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:38:00 -
[1216]
Edited by: Mr Matanza on 02/06/2010 22:38:20 /signed
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grypher
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:45:00 -
[1217]
+1
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Gareck Lodius
Bundy Rum manufacturing
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 22:53:00 -
[1218]
I fully support this as we really didn't need PI and would have happily sacrificed it for bug fixes, need for speed, model upgrades, UI, overview, POS management changes and this is just the start of a very long list that needs fixing. |
menacemyth
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:54:00 -
[1219]
Because of it's competetive, single shard nature Eve must be built on quality. While their love of new content could make Eve last longer than other MMORPGs, the quality gap between EVE and other MMORPGs continues to widen after every expansion. Maybe they are assuming correctly that players are ADHD.
/signed
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lonelang
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:54:00 -
[1220]
+1
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Arkemis
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:55:00 -
[1221]
+1
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Lohengrien
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:13:00 -
[1222]
+1
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Alaki Kant
Selective Pressure
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:15:00 -
[1223]
/signed
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:24:00 -
[1224]
supported
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Centuri Nova
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:28:00 -
[1225]
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Xu Jiaohan
ADC Heavy Industries
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:33:00 -
[1226]
Well put.
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Cinder Rose
Pator Tech School
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:41:00 -
[1227]
/signed
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:42:00 -
[1228]
Agreed. Would gladly trade less expansions for more promises kept. The dominion treaty system was the most promising. . . promise I've heard for this game to date.
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Flaming Fenix
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:54:00 -
[1229]
/signed
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Mara Tessidar
|
Posted - 2010.06.02 23:55:00 -
[1230]
Support. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the next expansion should really be an expansion of existing features rather than an introduction of totally new content (though I'd spring for some more T3). Signature locked and removed. Zymurgist |
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Reecoh Soltar
Exotic Dancer Talent Agency
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:03:00 -
[1231]
Supported 100%
Originally by: CCP Prism X When life throws you lemons you go... throw them at someone else and make a profit.
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Khayvaan Shrike
Cloning Issue
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:06:00 -
[1232]
/signed
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Allant Doran
Fraternitas Renatas
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:07:00 -
[1233]
/signed
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Highsight
tlhlnag wo The Elders Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:11:00 -
[1234]
Edited by: Highsight on 03/06/2010 00:11:16 Too often in this game bugs and poor game mechanics are left in place / sacrificed on the altar of shiney new toys. Eventually this will mean an unplayable game and the users deserting. At the moment outside of the eve community Eve has a a good reputation that attracts new players. It does not take much to change this and shrinking player base and bad reviews from ex-players could turn that around quicker than the underlying problems take to fix. The side effect of this is that current player perception of CCP's lacklustre approach to new releases, (a good example being the vista bug that crashed the os of some client machines), will take even longer to change. CCP, you need to be very careful that your payerbase does not get fed up. No players = No cash. Directly we pay your wages in return for our own enjoyment. When playing eve becomes more frustrating due to lag, shoddy releases and badly supported functionality, then the amount of enjoyment attained playing then game, you've lost! Take a year out and fix what's there. Make eve work as planned and intended as opposed to how you rushed it out.
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WubberDuck
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:14:00 -
[1235]
100% agree
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sw0358
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:27:00 -
[1236]
100% Agreement, and signed ----------------------------------------------------
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x Droth
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:29:00 -
[1237]
CCP, hire more people!
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Marty269
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:45:00 -
[1238]
/Signed
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Helig
Cyanide Midtown
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Posted - 2010.06.03 00:56:00 -
[1239]
Supported
CCP does do a great job and I have a great amount of respect for the company and what they have accomplished, but I'm all for taking a look back to ensure content exceeds expectations.
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Aia Jin
The Praxis Initiative Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.03 01:16:00 -
[1240]
Definitely support this proposal!
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Vaporize
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 01:30:00 -
[1241]
Edited by: Vaporize on 03/06/2010 01:34:09
I support the subject, agree with the points made in the OP, CCP can do better, and should be.
The CSM is a system to give hope to customers in that their voice might be heard and acted upon, but seriously does anyone really think that CCP has changed development priorities to address any idea, or subject? When I read that you have some hope that the CSM will change anything I feel bad as it will never happen unless it was something already planned to be done. I give CCP credit it's a good trick.
Look at this product from CCP's point of view, Eve as a test bed technology for the World of Darkness (WOD) product at this point, and has been for the past 3 years, they hit the revenue ceiling on Eve after the introduction of the GTC system, the box product did nothing at retail, and Steam also gave it a small rise, but it's a hardcore product for very hardcore people, and was designed that way to it's core. With the knowledge, and experience they have gained from running Eve if this is applied to WOD in design and the systems they might hit the goal of 120k people online on a single server, 2 mil subscriptions, Eve will never hit these numbers in any period of time that is relevant to them, so they have to hope to grow the company with new products.
Eve's core design prevent the changes to hit these numbers so we are relegated to either to having them change the core game-play which they will never do as the risk is too high, or improving what we have already and living with the limitations of the nature of this game.
All this being said, they can still improve Eve and should, the over promise and under deliver method has become their standard practice, this repetitive failure cycle will continue unless they get focused on Eve again, my fear or expectation is that they keep Eve on life support tossing us bones, using us as paying testers for technology dedicated for WOD, and then dump Eve once WOD ships.
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Kenji Ryoku
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Posted - 2010.06.03 01:51:00 -
[1242]
/signed
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Xiong Yoshi
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 01:53:00 -
[1243]
Quality > Quantity |
AngryAndy
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Posted - 2010.06.03 01:57:00 -
[1244]
This should be a priority, It will extend the games life far more than new shiny things. +1
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T'san Manaan
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 02:00:00 -
[1245]
want this to happen
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Isabella Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.06.03 02:06:00 -
[1246]
/signed
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Sirius Bradford
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Posted - 2010.06.03 02:23:00 -
[1247]
/me signs on the dotted line.
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VB Sarge
Core Impulse
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 02:30:00 -
[1248]
I agree, while I don't think all things are as bad as some people do, there is a lot to be desired with improving some older systems that need looked at, and the newer stuff that has been coming out has definitely not been without issues. Granted, there will always be something wrong with a new development, but a lot of it does feel a bit like unpolished steel. sure in the sun it sparkles, but you look at it from any realistic angle and it's pretty not shiny.
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Spillrag
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Posted - 2010.06.03 03:03:00 -
[1249]
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rantuket
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
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Posted - 2010.06.03 03:44:00 -
[1250]
great stuff:
Quote: What we would like CCP to consider: * Continue developing features until they reach a predetermined 'excellence' level * Re-evaluate the amount of time allocated to fixing/developing old content and reduce the nonchalant attitude towards re-assigning teams to shiny new content. * Reconsider the total release schedule time: is it really sufficient to produce 'excellent' quality game design?
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Ana Clavain
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Posted - 2010.06.03 03:51:00 -
[1251]
signed would love to play this game as it should be
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Morden Blackhawk
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 03:55:00 -
[1252]
Agreed
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BlackChoc
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 04:00:00 -
[1253]
100% (it would be lovely if CCP finished things)
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Qolde
Minmatar art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.06.03 04:01:00 -
[1254]
/signed
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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JGR Guinevere
Caldari Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.06.03 04:03:00 -
[1255]
I can remember the joy I felt when the first rumblings of this game started to pop up on the Internet. It gave me the hope of finally being able to play an Elite style game as a MMO. To some extent, that has dream has been fulfilled (although, I am still waiting to be able to fly across the landscape of a plant). I have been attached to this game since beta and still love the concept of EVE. However, it seems to me that quality has fallen to the way side in favor of a fast development schedule over the last couple of years. Don't get me wrong. I like having significant updates every 6 months. However, I have to agree with the majority here--there must be some form of development in the direction of the older content. I just don't think that it will be possible without some increase in development personnel specifically allocated to this endeavor. Between the development of other projects and the upcoming Dust release there simply is not time for anything else. Their plate is full my friends.
What CCP must ask themselves is, "Do we love EVE?" If the answer is yes, then they need to gather up the team and really attempt to identify the most nagging issues with their beloved game. They should make a true effort to illicit the feedback of the community on those specific topics and then tackle the problems most important to them (as the loving creators) and us (the loving players) and call it a release. I don't know about anyone else. But I would be more than happy with a once a year major release followed a minor release that contains at least a few significant fixes to older content. I know that new releases drive new subscriptions and even sometimes pull old players back to the game. I know its a money thing. Everyone wants to make money. It's an acceptable endeavor. However, just as the original post suggests, is it worth being less than excellent? Is it worth being less than your potential? In the beginning, there was this small and obscure game developer named CCP. They were mavericks armed with the dream of creating something unique that broke the mold of what a MMO can be. I want to believe those mavericks still exist. I want to believe that dream is still alive. I want to believe that this little game, that was considered by many to be far to ambitious to succeed, is still loved by its creators.
We, the EVE community, LOVE this game. We, the eve community, prove our love everyday with our incessant whining. If we didn't care so much we would simply move on to another game. But we don't. We continue to come back, day after day, to experience something that can't be found anywhere else. We do so with the hope that this game, out of the many, will live up to its potential and that it will continue to be what other games strive to become.
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Voddick
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 04:09:00 -
[1256]
Yes! |
lube nugget
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 04:09:00 -
[1257]
has any1 actually been bothered reading this far lol. Agreed
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threeDspider
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 04:13:00 -
[1258]
110% supported, fix lag issues before adding more features please!
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Dave Hourai
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 04:50:00 -
[1259]
+1, Supported. If you're going to do it, do it right. No Beginning, No End |
Hailey Sunweaver
Ordnance. Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2010.06.03 05:06:00 -
[1260]
Edited by: Hailey Sunweaver on 03/06/2010 05:05:59 I support this 100%
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Kelli Sunweaver
Ordnance. Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2010.06.03 05:11:00 -
[1261]
signed a href="https://eve-search.com/externalLink.asp?l=http%3A%2F%2Feve%2Ebattleclinic%2Ecom%2Fkillboard%2Fcombat%5Frecord%2Ephp%3Ftype%3Dplayer%26name%3DKelli%2520Sunweaver"><img src="http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,Kelli%20Sunweav |
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 05:38:00 -
[1262]
EVEwatch Sidebar soon "It is the unofficial force ù the Jita irregulars. " |
Sattiest
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 06:02:00 -
[1263]
Definitely Supported.
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Alksentrs
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 06:35:00 -
[1264]
<- download it, rename it for eve.ico & use it for your EvE R.M.R. desktop icon ;)
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iridize
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 06:40:00 -
[1265]
I support this proposal by DV
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Psycho symbiosis
Blue Sun. Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 06:52:00 -
[1266]
signed
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Grayclay
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:03:00 -
[1267]
Easily supported.
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Jihn Anolar
Petals of Derketo
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Posted - 2010.06.03 07:03:00 -
[1268]
Supported 100%. Even 1 expansion per year would be enough if it was of "excellent" quality.
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:11:00 -
[1269]
Oh Yes.
+++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++ |
Scoop EMP
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:15:00 -
[1270]
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Atmega
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Posted - 2010.06.03 07:15:00 -
[1271]
Bump
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Khorgath
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:15:00 -
[1272]
Signed
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Dusicka
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:25:00 -
[1273]
Supported!
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Some Tableau
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:28:00 -
[1274]
It appears that the expansions themselves are driven mostly by ideas of feature hype coming from the marketing department. everything else is viewed as an afterthought. Why should the producers feel at all surprised when seeing slumps in account retention? |
Rurik Rotham
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Posted - 2010.06.03 07:36:00 -
[1275]
There's been a lot of quantity over the last few years. Please focus on quality now.
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Krylis Nok
Scan This
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:38:00 -
[1276]
What's Lowsec?.....
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Valdanor
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:58:00 -
[1277]
+1 |
Chaokel
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 08:16:00 -
[1278]
signed
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Bob Trailer
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 08:23:00 -
[1279]
agreed and signed.
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Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.03 08:26:00 -
[1280]
Hell yeah! ===== 100th level Black Liquorice Belt exponent in that great Lancastrian Martial Art of Eckythump.
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Rebecca Aventine
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 08:55:00 -
[1281]
The next 'expansion' should be about polishing existing content, fixing outstanding bugs, and improving performance.
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An Sar
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 09:23:00 -
[1282]
signed
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Winet
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 09:47:00 -
[1283]
supported 100% CEO ANATOLIAN DILIGENTIA |
Baaldor
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.03 09:59:00 -
[1284]
yep.
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Jadice Dreamshifter
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.03 10:01:00 -
[1285]
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psykiller
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 10:05:00 -
[1286]
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Supported.
I would even go so far as to say: "Push all existing, unreleased content back (unless its a part of previously released content) until existing, previously released content is up to the "excellent" or "finished" level..."
Supported ^^ =============================================== Strenght and Honour. Heart of one, strenght of many. Glory and Honour in death.
NC: Best Friends Forever |
Yanaoo
Adhocracy Incorporated
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 10:11:00 -
[1287]
Supported
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Gavjack Bunk
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 10:15:00 -
[1288]
Have you ever seen a games company win an irrelevant webaward from an irrelevant website you have never heard of for fixing bugs? No?
Oh....
Don't hold your breath on the whole "excellence" thing then.
And that video... was it made out of puke and bull****? Because it looked like it was made out of puke and bull****. Who were the peckerheads applauding and whooping at the marketing bullpies? Who were they?
WHO WERE THEY? THEY'RE MORONS. I don't want to sit in a cinema with them, they'll be applauding the adverts for mobile phones. THEY'RE MORONS.
I've ticked support. It won't help. But I ticked it anyway. Those guys applauding that puke video... morons... every last one of them. |
Shaul Amaninatis
Federal Navy Academy
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 10:57:00 -
[1289]
Supported
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Jadzia Usoo
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 10:58:00 -
[1290]
Supported
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Keilateau Shakor
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Posted - 2010.06.03 10:59:00 -
[1291]
/signed
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Thogn Thu
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Posted - 2010.06.03 11:00:00 -
[1292]
Give me a client update once every couple weeks where two or three of the most currently annoying bugs are fixed. Make it a regular process. Then I'd be happy. Fixing bugs doesn't have to wait for expansions or other contrived anniversary dates. If it's a huge architectural change, sure, waiting for an expansion may be the best course of action. But if it's just fixing up the UI or patching some server-side logic, make it happen. Don't make us wait.
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Luminus Aardokay
SI Radio
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Posted - 2010.06.03 11:20:00 -
[1293]
I'm so glad this proposal is getting that much support by the player base. In the past 7 years, EVE has grown to be a beast with a billion heads and the more it expands, the harder and more time consuming it becomes to keep it at bay.
When you grow, you're inevitably facing issues such as scalability, small bugs that really love to hide in dark corners and of course the users cause as a rule, no matter how well you build something, there will be ONE user who will do something excruciatingly stupid and break it.
As such, CCP can be proactive into creating excellence up to a certain degree. I hope nobody is having illusions that such a massive product will be excellent on day 0. When it is unleashed to the pesticide holding horde of the player base, bugs will come out of their nests. I think CCP's focus should be switched into retroactively pushing things into excellence, based hugely on user feedback, on a steady and frequent basis.
Since we're heavy into Latin words for expansions lately, how about the next expansion name being "Restituo pro Excellentia" ?
As such, I fully support this notion.
PS: I am very content that during this CSM we had a record setting vote turnout. It so seems that more and more people feel the need to voice their concerns to CCP. I just hope that the CSM will grow to be a force to be reckoned.
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ApexJB
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Posted - 2010.06.03 11:22:00 -
[1294]
Support.
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Laina Delapore
Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.03 11:26:00 -
[1295]
Absolutely.
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Kidney Seller
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 11:44:00 -
[1296]
You have my axe.
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Prad0r
Surface Tension Industries
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 11:45:00 -
[1297]
+1 ------------------------------------------------------------
"Sir we're surrounded"
"Excellent, now we can attack in all directions" |
Huron Bahr
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Posted - 2010.06.03 11:49:00 -
[1298]
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DarkArtz
Celestial Mayhem Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.03 11:55:00 -
[1299]
+1
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 12:00:00 -
[1300]
Ofc _
Northern Coalition - Best friends forever <3 |
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javer
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.03 12:05:00 -
[1301]
supported -------------------------------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience. |
kuky
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 12:08:00 -
[1302]
Supported.
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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 12:08:00 -
[1303]
supported ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel |
DejanSRB
The Big Bang Burger Bar
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 12:24:00 -
[1304]
+1
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Swearte Widfarend
Royal Enterprise Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.03 12:31:00 -
[1305]
I'm not sure what I would do if the game worked as advertised...
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Ghe
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 12:36:00 -
[1306]
+1
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Erinyen Guerilla
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.03 12:49:00 -
[1307]
there is nearly no feature that is bug-free nowdays ... ccp rejoice!
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muhajai
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Posted - 2010.06.03 12:55:00 -
[1308]
Edited by: muhajai on 03/06/2010 12:56:43 I agree.....kinda silly too put new tires on a broke rim, fix the rim first...... you got my vote m8 |
Ilmatar Acarius
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.03 12:55:00 -
[1309]
+1 ---=== Hope for the best - prepare for the worst ===--- |
manasi
Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:19:00 -
[1310]
definitely support this idea! Come visit me at http://http://manasi.eveplayer.net |
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Tu Fof
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:19:00 -
[1311]
Edited by: Tu Fof on 03/06/2010 13:21:48 Totally support this +1
Get on with it CCP
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Thur Spectre
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:21:00 -
[1312]
+1
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marinko26210
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:21:00 -
[1313]
Supported.
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Spirulina Laxissima
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 13:24:00 -
[1314]
Who do I have to Sleip with to get a golden thumb?
/signed SRI SYADASTI SYADAVAKTAVYA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADASTI CAVAKTAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVATAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVAKTAVYASCA Principia Discordiahttp://www.principiadiscordia.c |
Laprastine
The Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:41:00 -
[1315]
Signed, It has gotten to the point I'm embarrassed to reccommend the game to a friend as it continues to deteriorate in quality every expansion... |
Dr V
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:47:00 -
[1316]
+1
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ZebedeeUK
hirr Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 13:50:00 -
[1317]
+1
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Lorna Sicling
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:59:00 -
[1318]
Supported 100%
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Matzumisi
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 14:11:00 -
[1319]
Supported. Patches that make the game unplayable for a week should not exist.
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von Diel
Hellhounds.
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:14:00 -
[1320]
Nothing I could say that wouldn't be repetition.
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Shimokurasaka
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:39:00 -
[1321]
/signed |
sajberk
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:40:00 -
[1322]
yes
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Daylight Dancer
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:42:00 -
[1323]
sure
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JERIC0
NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:43:00 -
[1324]
/signed
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Callum545
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 14:51:00 -
[1325]
DEFO LAG HAS GONE BEYOND A JOKE
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Wonator
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:53:00 -
[1326]
+1
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Sari Ajantes
NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:55:00 -
[1327]
Excelence supported!
Further tweaking please! Game is more and more complex, and needs more attention to details.
Stuff that are hardly noticeable, like splitting stuff on multiple servers, the relations between corps, battles for example could have a separate server to reinforce them, i mean how many battles happen in eve at a certain moment? i would really love to play with my effects on and in a fleet of 700.. not possible!
Maybe the problem is that too many conflicting entities participate in the development?
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Pel Ukken
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:55:00 -
[1328]
plixplox
(or just do the next expansion FIXING everything players have been complaining about for the past couple years; AFs, FW, rockets etc etc etc)
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Miss Direction
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Ronin Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:58:00 -
[1329]
Supported! Corp Main Site
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wr3cks
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:00:00 -
[1330]
agree vehemently
|
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Raptorkiller
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:03:00 -
[1331]
supported
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Researcher123
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:06:00 -
[1332]
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Flynn Fetladral
BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:11:00 -
[1333]
+1
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Horza Tokotov
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:13:00 -
[1334]
I agree.
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zipzing
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:13:00 -
[1335]
Supported! |
Krotfric McEnchroe
Medical Mechanical Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:17:00 -
[1336]
/signed
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Torgalun
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:27:00 -
[1337]
/signed
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Darian Reymont
Eve University Ivy League
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:27:00 -
[1338]
100% supported. ---- Darian Reymont Recruitment Manager, E-UNI |
Thedirtypaw
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:29:00 -
[1339]
+2 ffs ccp listen to the man
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Terik Voth
Caldari State 1st Protectorate
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:30:00 -
[1340]
I support this
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Biloojo
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:46:00 -
[1341]
supported
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smaster
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:48:00 -
[1342]
Current development organization in ccp needs a major rethink. 6 month expansion pushes lead to horrible user experience with bugs and unfinished features all over.
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Elnoo
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:49:00 -
[1343]
/Signed
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Flion
The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:52:00 -
[1344]
Well put
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Mortimer Civeri
Federal Navy Academy
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 15:57:00 -
[1345]
Signed. CCP, Excellence is what you claim, but slap dashed mediocrity is what you are producing. Fix what you started, I don't care about new shiny stuff. I want to play, I don't want half finished, broken toys that don't work, you keep shoveling into the sandbox. All the while telling everyone outside the sandbox, "See. Look at all the toys we're putting into the sandbox. Come play in our sandbox."
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Ariana Logellia
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Posted - 2010.06.03 16:10:00 -
[1346]
+1
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Mining hoarder
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 16:10:00 -
[1347]
Supported
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Lord Arbalest
Northstar Cabal
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Posted - 2010.06.03 16:34:00 -
[1348]
/signed - Not going to keep your Game of the Year award if these shoddy expansions keep coming out.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2010.06.03 16:45:00 -
[1349]
Yes please, fix what is broken, finsih the half assed content, better testing for release!
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rowbin hod
Mnemic Theory Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.03 16:50:00 -
[1350]
very signed |
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Ashemi Darkhold
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:13:00 -
[1351]
Signed with feeling
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Tunixgut
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 17:21:00 -
[1352]
I hope CCP will listen to this!!!
Thanx in advance CCP.
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Aysmehl Blaad
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:29:00 -
[1353]
I fully support this.
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realdognose
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 17:32:00 -
[1354]
Edited by: realdognose on 03/06/2010 17:32:56 /signed!
(46 Pages in 3 Days - they "have" to read this ^^)
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Mad4Men
Kernel of War
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:39:00 -
[1355]
/signed
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Alaesar
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:41:00 -
[1356]
I agree a thousand times !
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Neil Tayler
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:41:00 -
[1357]
/signed
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Tyana Oro
Akashwani
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:42:00 -
[1358]
+1
I would rather play an okay game that works then a omg really cool shiny game that dose not.
If a foundation is not keep sturdy even the best looking house will fall down.
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Da Brainzz
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:44:00 -
[1359]
signed....
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Preying Reaper
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 17:53:00 -
[1360]
sign'd/
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KOBK 83
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 17:54:00 -
[1361]
+1 Wrong guy to f... with. |
Erdiere
Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:55:00 -
[1362]
Yea sure.
Just as long as you still release Incarna though.
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Marquis d'Carabas
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:56:00 -
[1363]
Yes.
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Francis Imsalsa
Phoenix Consortium On the Rocks
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 17:58:00 -
[1364]
I agree whit this fully
Signed
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Mograph
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 18:18:00 -
[1365]
Signed and if you are reading this you have reached the signature without noticing. |
Daneau
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 18:33:00 -
[1366]
Supported
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.06.03 18:48:00 -
[1367]
Supported --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
Anita1
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Posted - 2010.06.03 18:55:00 -
[1368]
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Ed Bever
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 18:56:00 -
[1369]
Edited by: Ed Bever on 03/06/2010 18:56:18 Supported!
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Boldt
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 18:57:00 -
[1370]
get EVE running before you add more stuff
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Maidas Mulligan
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:04:00 -
[1371]
/signed
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Sander Holthaus
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:04:00 -
[1372]
Signed. Fix bugs and make features work like intended first.
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Marara Kovacs
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:05:00 -
[1373]
full support.. currently 100 man fleets cause megalag.. wtf!
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Hugo Jagannatah
Silexx
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:10:00 -
[1374]
Absolutely supported. |
zipzang
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:32:00 -
[1375]
/signed |
Colubridae
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:37:00 -
[1376]
Support the general idea.
Suggest modifying the rather subjective term "excelence" to more concrete terms of reporting what % of the budget, and what % of actual code is dedicated to fixing (enhancing) existing features versus adding new content.
If CCP claims there is a 50/50 split on this, it should be easy for them to report on. If the 50/50 split is a reality (and I doubt it is, they likely roll in maintenance costs into the "exisiting content" half)then CCP can get a marketing boost by showing they have some direct accountability to the player base.
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Quedrin Vornel
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:39:00 -
[1377]
Supported. |
unixorn
Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:47:00 -
[1378]
/signed If I spent all the time and effort I put in EVE in RL, I would be immensely rich Unixorn |
Lone Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.06.03 19:49:00 -
[1379]
Signed
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Fenturion
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:04:00 -
[1380]
/signed |
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Skh'th'ss
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:05:00 -
[1381]
+1 |
Blantlis
Salus Novus
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:24:00 -
[1382]
agreed, hope CCP are in a listening mood.
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d4shing
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:24:00 -
[1383]
I wonder if CCP is going to acknowledge or respond to this thread.
That would be a positive first step.
In related news, has anyone noticed that they didn't post a new concurrent user record with this expansion? I wonder why.
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Layla Aamiriya
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:40:00 -
[1384]
Dierdra Vaal's proposal is elegant. Dierda carries a passion for EVE while seeking resonable solutions to on going problems. 100% support.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:47:00 -
[1385]
I think this threadnaught has the highest percentage of thumbs up than any other thread in CSM history.
CCP needs to do a fullstop on current projects and review this entire issue, remapping future advances against the broken stuff left behind before the badly framed house they've built comes crashing down about their ears.
Summer patch should = Update of old content, graphics, sound, ect. No expressly 'new' content tho, as with Sov changes, major updates to old mechanics would be released with this expansion.
Winter patch should = New content primarily and whatever bug fixes are desperately needed. --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
Goldhopper
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:53:00 -
[1386]
Hear hear!
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Tauren Marine
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:55:00 -
[1387]
ccccc c c c ccccc
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JAitken
Harbingers of Chaos Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:57:00 -
[1388]
+1
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Siren Tormar
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 20:58:00 -
[1389]
agreed. support!
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xenonn
Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:58:00 -
[1390]
Quite fed up of this junk.
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Moses Stone
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:59:00 -
[1391]
+1
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Jovaru
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Posted - 2010.06.03 20:59:00 -
[1392]
+1
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Cearul
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Posted - 2010.06.03 21:08:00 -
[1393]
Spot on...Stop the madness and focus a little.
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Donatella D'Tren
Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.03 21:08:00 -
[1394]
Edited by: Donatella D''Tren on 03/06/2010 21:08:35 /signed
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Alisyana
Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.03 21:08:00 -
[1395]
+1, agreed.
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Alhambra Trellane
Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.03 21:09:00 -
[1396]
+1
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BlueX305
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Posted - 2010.06.03 21:11:00 -
[1397]
+1
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Mojihito
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 21:13:00 -
[1398]
This thread delivers
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Parthegos
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Posted - 2010.06.03 21:22:00 -
[1399]
+1
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Challu Ni
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Posted - 2010.06.03 22:27:00 -
[1400]
/signed
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Am'stel
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Posted - 2010.06.03 23:09:00 -
[1401]
+1
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Ta'rha
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Posted - 2010.06.03 23:23:00 -
[1402]
Edited by: Ta''rha on 03/06/2010 23:25:05 +1
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Chkprc
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Posted - 2010.06.03 23:23:00 -
[1403]
Edited by: Chkprc on 03/06/2010 23:24:25 +1
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Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2010.06.03 23:44:00 -
[1404]
This has been a platform of more than one of us running for the CSM
Myself included.
Build the foundations solid, they add on stories to the structure
m
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Madame Prezident
|
Posted - 2010.06.03 23:46:00 -
[1405]
Supported +1
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KassBrikK
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Posted - 2010.06.04 00:03:00 -
[1406]
+ 1
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Mevrouw Ooievaar
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Posted - 2010.06.04 00:18:00 -
[1407]
Signed!! |
Zentock
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Posted - 2010.06.04 01:01:00 -
[1408]
for what its worth, +1
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Dan Somtaaw
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Posted - 2010.06.04 01:19:00 -
[1409]
Edited by: Dan Somtaaw on 04/06/2010 01:19:24 This so much. While I like the idea of PI I dont want to have that at the expense of everything else. That and a half year turn around expansions... they seem kind of hectic. Hell I've seen crappy games have longer release times.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2010.06.04 01:43:00 -
[1410]
Supported. Good luck. If they can get past their ego there might be an acknowledgement. Mehbe? |
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Caldron Forge
Quantum Forge Partners
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Posted - 2010.06.04 02:23:00 -
[1411]
Supported!
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paratrooper313
Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.04 02:33:00 -
[1412]
Edited by: paratrooper313 on 04/06/2010 02:33:33 Excellence would be excellent. I hope they will take the time to listen, and put a little more effort in focusing on correcting some of these issues of the current game mechanics. To spend all that energy working on something and never finishing it, makes it a waist of time from the start.
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Bloodhands
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.04 02:45:00 -
[1413]
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Praii
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Posted - 2010.06.04 02:46:00 -
[1414]
:)
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Lee Arch
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.04 02:47:00 -
[1415]
i endorse this product
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Korthan
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:03:00 -
[1416]
Require excellence
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CaptKirkIII
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:03:00 -
[1417]
Very much agreed.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:10:00 -
[1418]
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Shae Tiann
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:16:00 -
[1419]
Supported ---------------------------------
Sweet Little Bad Girl
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Raxip Elamp
Veto. Veto Corp
|
Posted - 2010.06.04 03:17:00 -
[1420]
Approved, I highly support CCP not being incredibly distracted, and actually finishing something.
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IonHammer
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:51:00 -
[1421]
yep
If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith |
Derin Vamberfeld
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Posted - 2010.06.04 04:25:00 -
[1422]
+1
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Nathvas
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:10:00 -
[1423]
Edited by: Nathvas on 04/06/2010 05:10:31 Edited by: Nathvas on 04/06/2010 05:09:58 Totally supported. Many things are left to half assed done to be ignored. I joined 3 years ago and there was overview bugs, and local bugs. Today three years later, those same bugs are still here, and still harassing us. New content is always needed, but not constantly or as much as CCP thinks. A little more time spent of fixing things and I'd be happy with only new content once a year instead of once every 9 months. 6 months spent developing something new, and then 6 months fixing things, reviewing and strenghting the foundation. Cause I'll be frank, it isn't the game that keeps me comming back, even though the freedom to do as I please is awesome. Its my fellow corpmates and alliances members that do. Not you CCP.
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Altaman
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:19:00 -
[1424]
+1 |
Artum Duthnurgecast
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:18:00 -
[1425]
|
raining cheese
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:03:00 -
[1426]
+4
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Veryez
|
Posted - 2010.06.04 07:26:00 -
[1427]
It's hard to argue against a commitment to excellence, but I would not go so far as to suggest the cause of the apparent lack of commitment. Let CCP discover and correct the cause. But supported.
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Dante024781
Resurrection Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:01:00 -
[1428]
Supported.
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Stephan Fisher
|
Posted - 2010.06.04 08:15:00 -
[1429]
Agreed
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Mr Pentex
|
Posted - 2010.06.04 08:18:00 -
[1430]
|
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:28:00 -
[1431]
/signed
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V0n Braun
|
Posted - 2010.06.04 08:32:00 -
[1432]
Support!
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Brolly
Atkumi Corp
|
Posted - 2010.06.04 09:15:00 -
[1433]
Completely agree
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Omir Kajil
The POD Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.04 09:18:00 -
[1434]
Supported. But I digress. This one time at fat camp, i was flying a dominix, and then I was so hungry that i ate 3 planets and collapsed into a black hole, which ate my sig. |
Decon Ko
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Posted - 2010.06.04 09:47:00 -
[1435]
supported and promoted. It's about time, or it is clearly gonna get out of hand, if it hasn't already. --
This: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1248088 |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:11:00 -
[1436]
Originally by: Decon Ko supported and promoted. It's about time, or it is clearly gonna get out of hand, if it hasn't already.
It is totally out of hand and CCP need to really reavaluate what the **** they're doing. When I look at EVE I have visions of SWG flashing before my eyes, and it won't be long before we're there. EVE is a PVP game but now a 50 vs 50 fight can be impossible due to lag. And Taranis has been the worst patch deployment/release so far.
For crying out loud, balance the game, fix the problems. Balance blasters. Fix and make FW useful. Fix the lag (I know you're working on it). Fix all the other bugs I need not mention.
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Talon'dor
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:13:00 -
[1437]
Supported, most feelings I have are covered already so there's no point me rehashing them. |
CombatSmurf
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:14:00 -
[1438]
__________________________________________
Whats the similarity between having sex in a canoe and drinking american beer?
Its ****ing close to water. |
Rasullalah
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:22:00 -
[1439]
Nice threadnought, keep going.
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:23:00 -
[1440]
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Ish'Tara
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:24:00 -
[1441]
Edited by: Ish''Tara on 04/06/2010 10:25:04 Supported
Post 1441, sniping page 49.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:35:00 -
[1442]
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Trader Stacy
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:45:00 -
[1443]
/signed |
GavinGoodrich
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:00:00 -
[1444]
Keep this thread rollin'.
Not that CCP cares in the long run, but because we care.
-1 account already due to lack of what the OP stated \o |
Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:07:00 -
[1445]
yeah |
Freelancer117
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:26:00 -
[1446]
I support the call for more Excellence
To go about it imho is that 2 halfs doesnt make a whole, Let me explain: the last few new expansions were lacking the promised content it was supposed to have and if you promise something you should deliver imo.
If its not possible to make half yearly expansions with the expected features then make a huge and very satisfying large one yearly (2 halfs doesnt make a whole)
My suggestion is to make this a yearly one for new game mechanics/content (like sov changes/PI) that has been properly run though it passes and add corification for future CCP products.
Too increase the excellence in the game you can ad new patches on a random basis and that doesnt have to be tide in too the schedule of a new Expansion (read difference between patches and an expansion)
In these patches you can but some extra fluff like the scorpion model that got new looks or the luv the faction ships got, or the loot changes for missioners and other miscellaneous etc etc. To me these sound like diferent itterations of the already available game content/mechanics and should be more easily done compared to new game features (no disrespect too all the hard work)
So releasing stress buildup and giving space for excellence is the main priority here. Lets be honest what draws us too eve everyday is already there, we only need too make it shinier and on occasion fill it up with different stuff.
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Clydar Dramos
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:34:00 -
[1447]
This needs to be done...
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MultiPass
Silent Shadow
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:35:00 -
[1448]
+1 |
ryan kunii
The Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:36:00 -
[1449]
+1 |
Kyusoath Orillian
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:38:00 -
[1450]
ccp please stop greeding after newplayers 1 month-then-quit sub.
fix things .
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Attack Baboon
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:52:00 -
[1451]
Aye.
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Cyphr Sonic
Caldari Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:52:00 -
[1452]
supported
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verliuos
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:16:00 -
[1453]
Supported.
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Asuri Kinnes
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:35:00 -
[1454]
WTH did you start DV!?! YOUR ALWAYS STARTING THINGS!
(oh wait... Thats CCP....)
Sorry man... Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist NO! |
Chack'Nul
GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:36:00 -
[1455]
yo I bes supportin'
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Ar Zor
Jupiter Force Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:37:00 -
[1456]
+1
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Sionn Klorgh
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:54:00 -
[1457]
+1 Samson Savage > From HED to FAT, Catch is Goons.
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.06.04 13:07:00 -
[1458]
I love you CCP, I really do.
But you need to finish the things you start.
PI fails to excite me. I mean, it looks curious, but if it were to have never come to be in exchange for, say, working Java/Flash for the browser, FW improvements, rocket fixes, etc etc.. I'd be perfectly content with that.
You don't get judged on features. You get judged on how well you execute those features.
Harden The F-ck Up.
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Dark SIgn
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Posted - 2010.06.04 13:25:00 -
[1459]
Edited by: Dark SIgn on 04/06/2010 13:26:15 Supported
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Titanius Bridge
The Secret Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.04 13:40:00 -
[1460]
I am in full support of this. Step it up, CCP!
----------------------------------------------- Because I am Bridge, and I'm AWWWWWESOOOOMMMMEEE!!! |
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Exelles
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Posted - 2010.06.04 14:55:00 -
[1461]
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0silt
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Posted - 2010.06.04 14:57:00 -
[1462]
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Ben Danner
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:02:00 -
[1463]
SUPPOTED
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Thyra Skuldsdottir
Gallente Mining and Manufacturing Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:04:00 -
[1464]
Supported.
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Javani
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:07:00 -
[1465]
.
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Tessen
Stellar Tide
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:11:00 -
[1466]
support Ideas for a complete Bounty Hunter profession sytem. |
Abadyn
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:31:00 -
[1467]
Hell yeah! |
Jenkins Sebastian
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:53:00 -
[1468]
Edited by: Jenkins Sebastian on 04/06/2010 15:53:14 Definitely Supported
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Nubble Nubble
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:54:00 -
[1469]
+1
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:55:00 -
[1470]
Supported
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k'nah Manaan
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:25:00 -
[1471]
Edited by: k''nah Manaan on 04/06/2010 16:25:14 +1 for CCP to finish the expansions before releasing them. Even if it means getting 1 expansion a year instead of 2.
And add to the fetures you released half done and promised to add more to later. i.e. faction warefare, T3, Sov, and now P.I.
Edit: Ah, I missed my first oppurtunity for a snipa :(
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Raakall
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:25:00 -
[1472]
/signed
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Dufas
Amarr freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:28:00 -
[1473]
**SIGNED** --------------------------------
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Jessie42
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:31:00 -
[1474]
/signed
CCP you are losing touch with the playerbase and your own game!!!! Fix lag, and stop throwing away promised features.
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Darin Buge
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:33:00 -
[1475]
Supported.
I will say that I believe CCP does a pretty decent job, and sets their ambitions high. However, what the OP has stated does hold weight IMO. I can only imagine that fulfilling/implementing the ideas laid down must be difficult, but I believe CCP is of a high enough caliber to do that much better.
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Black Arachnia
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:00:00 -
[1476]
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Synaes MKII
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:13:00 -
[1477]
supported
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Mak Emson
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:21:00 -
[1478]
I agree with most of the the posts here but I also think CCP are doing a great job with the game. I just feel that they have lost their direction slightly.
Just look at this thread CCP and see what the people want. SPQR and all that.....
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Ahsekuaw
Brother Theo's Monastery The Ancients.
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:29:00 -
[1479]
Supported.
It's more than apparent that CCP is moving too fast with their goal of putting out an expansion twice a year. I'd be happy with an expansion once every 9 months to a year. I believe it's time for CCP to put a hold on their upcoming projects, sift through the broken items and fix them. They need to listen to their player base instead of being the arrogant bullies they are portraying themselves as. Their lack of response to the feedback threads is inexcusable. Especially after a major release.
Further, the CSM needs to hold CCPs feet to the fire on this one. The way CSM4 rolled over was a joke. Mynxee has indicated in her blog that she intends to keep this issue in the forefront of the next CSM meeting with CCP. I'm hoping she has the leverage to accomplish this.
Ahs
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:38:00 -
[1480]
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Odyessus
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:40:00 -
[1481]
I think this proposal needs to go further and ask for a halt on development, until a significant proportion of current features are finsihed and/or polished.
ody
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Mister Soul
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Posted - 2010.06.04 18:18:00 -
[1482]
Edited by: Mister Soul on 04/06/2010 18:17:51 Agreed
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Qahn
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Posted - 2010.06.04 18:52:00 -
[1483]
100% agreement
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Fia Masutra
Central Inventions Agency
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:00:00 -
[1484]
Agreed. |
Vultaras
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:01:00 -
[1485]
Support this in 1000 %.
People want to have again epic battles with no LAG, people want to have PvP in smaller gangs with no LAG , people want fixes of hundred bugs....maybe its time to listen CCP ??
This year is point of no return for many old and average players and only you CCP can change those events, suggesting you start thinking
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Haruhiko Nakada
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:02:00 -
[1486]
I endorse this message and/or service. |
Myrkala
Minmatar Interstellar Empire Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:07:00 -
[1487]
Support. -
Thanks CCP, I knew you had it in you! <3 Long live Naglfar! |
Indiexy
Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:15:00 -
[1488]
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Duty Doodie
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:46:00 -
[1489]
/signed
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Savannah Summers
Regal Beagle Industry
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:47:00 -
[1490]
Edited by: Savannah Summers on 04/06/2010 19:46:46 +1
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Malcolm Kole
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:47:00 -
[1491]
Unfortunately, as much support as this proposal has received, I'm inclined to believe that the developers won't give this more than a passing glimpse. |
Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:47:00 -
[1492]
Nail on head.
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CrazyEyes Banzai
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:49:00 -
[1493]
Laaaaaaaaaaaaag!!!!
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DeeDee Lynn
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:50:00 -
[1494]
/signed
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11imperium
Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.04 20:43:00 -
[1495]
/signed
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Tasitor Ulan
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Posted - 2010.06.04 20:46:00 -
[1496]
/signed
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complex x
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:58:00 -
[1497]
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Tidanis
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.04 22:05:00 -
[1498]
I'm all for keeping what we have and then adding to it slowly. Please do it right CCP.
-Signed
PS: would it be possible for POS management to be looked into? -------------------------------------------- Check my bio for recruitment info and the best Eve WH prayer I've seen. Join "CCRES Public". We kill stuff. I log out in my devoter... for a reason.
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Aegis Stormborn
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Posted - 2010.06.04 23:31:00 -
[1499]
After seeing the hullabaloo at fanfest about excellence, I was very excited to see the EVE universe get that fit and finish it deserves. Unfortunately excellence has gone into the realm of the AB buff for AFs. Sounded awesome, would have been awesome, was told it would happen, expected it to happen... POOF gone.
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Sognec El'Kendan
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Posted - 2010.06.05 00:25:00 -
[1500]
/sign
I have seen this problem emerge before, and it tends to take far too long to fix (usually alienating the player base to a competitor/alternative in the interim).
CCP has an opportunity to reverse that trend, if they stand up to the problems and start tackling them. The latency issue is a start, its being solved in small chunks but at least there are changes being made.
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Viral Effect
BRAINDEAD Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.05 00:34:00 -
[1501]
I agree. The mission nerf makes me think that CCP really do su.ck fat co.ck!
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Kohana Chayton
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.05 00:38:00 -
[1502]
Supported. CCP needs to step back and say "alright guys, while we got a lot of great content, we need to add the polish and shine to it we promised our players! For the next year, we will be working on fixing and developing EXISTING content so that we can look back and be able to say we delivered what we promised!"
Of course we all know CCP won't bother reading this, nor bother fixing and polishing existing content. Notice that 50 pages of posts have been made and not a single comment by any CCP employee. CCP is going to be butt hurt when their fragile little pyramid of crap finally teeters and collapses from it's burden of lies and failed promises.
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Meuchelmorder
Peanut Factory BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:09:00 -
[1503]
Great idea, Poor title for thread: No Child Left Behind was an utter failure....Let's not let CCP think that they can do the same with features.
Originally by: Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
Signature Image Restrictions Suck! |
Dratic
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:32:00 -
[1504]
Completely Agree. Planetary Interaction sums it up for me. Quickly planned produced and launched. It's not awesome it could have been so much better if the inital concept was thought out more.
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Coriolis Chandrasekhar
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Posted - 2010.06.05 02:50:00 -
[1505]
I'm in
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skepticon
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Posted - 2010.06.05 03:07:00 -
[1506]
nice hike up your shorts ccp
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Rouge Drone
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Posted - 2010.06.05 03:21:00 -
[1507]
support
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Morolen1
Homebrew Headquarters
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Posted - 2010.06.05 03:33:00 -
[1508]
supported! ----- I'm a Caldari Nationalist, Fascist is *Such* an ugly word. |
Grozen
Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.05 04:12:00 -
[1509]
I support this topic knowledge is power |
Armeggeda iscariah
Caldari Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 05:15:00 -
[1510]
Supported 150%
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Tunnas
x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 05:40:00 -
[1511]
I support the author as well on this matter :)
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Green Shift
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 05:56:00 -
[1512]
100% support
Releasing 1 big expansion per year is fine. A mini expansion could replace one of the current ones.
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FawKa
x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 06:20:00 -
[1513]
signed!
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charlie ZA
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.05 06:32:00 -
[1514]
I'd be more than happy with only a single expansion per year and spit 'n polish the remainder. Dominion still needed fixing, It would seem CCP conveniently forgot it broke Apocrypha and the games been worse off since. Charlie ZA |
Argentina
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Posted - 2010.06.05 06:39:00 -
[1515]
Signed. |
Leon Razor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.05 06:45:00 -
[1516]
Supported. Nothing would make me happier then to see an expansion that is dedicated to bug fixes and addressing concerns with current mechanics (not adding new ones). |
RawringDragon
Eternal Dragons
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Posted - 2010.06.05 06:45:00 -
[1517]
Absolutely supported.
The Quantity over Quality procedure needs to be turned around as soon as possible. To some, it currently seems like CCP are running around with their arms in the air to patch on a new half-finished feature here, partial band-aid bug fix there, etc.
As I have said elsewhere, I genuinely am worried about the future for Eve and CCP. I care about the game, and want to see it succeed. But once mature, strong and direct competition enters the market (of which some are getting close to beta or release), I honestly don't see an appeal for players to continue to cling to and develop the fruits of their labor in eve.
CCP can only draw on the patience and good will of the player base for so long, before hopes and promises of revisiting, fixing and developing existing features, such as Wormholes, Faction Warfare, Cosmos Missions, Lowsec incentives, Dominion treaties, Sov upgrades and expandability, Starbases, T3 iterations, Industry, Game physics, Fleet formations/tactics, Bounty systems, and so on, begins to grow thin and players become disenchanted with the whole repeating process of release first, promise to iterate on the content as time goes along. The iteration never seems to come, as CCP gets distracted by a major feature that they feel is central to pushing the game towards a milestone or one of their visions. The current example being PI which is required for Dust 514.
There has been talk of Excellence, Agile development, SCRUM and so forth. But it feels as if the same CCP-esqe handling of features and content is applied to the implementations of these terms.
Excellence, as already discussed earlier in this thread, held deep promises in the minds of the players of real changes happening at CCP.
We have seen examples of SCRUM and Agile Development being trampled on at a moments notice, never being properly followed through to commit to a streamlined development process with resources being directed where they really should be given most.
I only hope my support is counted and that CCP will read.
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Mistress Althea
InterGalactic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 07:04:00 -
[1518]
+1
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Cian Enid
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Posted - 2010.06.05 07:14:00 -
[1519]
Supported. Tyrannis is the first expansion CCP's released that I could not be arsed to have read the Dev Blogs or the patch notes. I'd like to see real Excellence from CCP rather than the half baked expansions that have been the failure of the last two.
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Julius Intakhan
The Maverick Navy
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Posted - 2010.06.05 07:43:00 -
[1520]
+1
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Stenner
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Posted - 2010.06.05 08:21:00 -
[1521]
Signed. Fix your game CCP.
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Broken Star
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.05 08:25:00 -
[1522]
100% agree --- I'm an alt, I admit it. |
ChrisIsherwood
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Posted - 2010.06.05 08:26:00 -
[1523]
I strongly support this.
I am not near as convinced the 6-month development cycle is much to blame. You could use scrum and get two releases a year out and polish and finish (or in the case of the UI, begin) just fine. And you could do one release every 18 months and get distracted by new shinies and still have most of the effort on beginnings. 6 months cycles allow you to react better to the hardware and software and competitive landscape. CCP can say that in the next 6 months they can live without DX11, 64 bit, multi-core/thread and native Mac client. With 18 month cycles that means a couple of months ago you were drawing up an 18 month schedule to begin in June for the only release between now and summer 2013. It is not quite so obvious that single-threaded, 32-bit DX9 thru 2013 is optimal.
The recent example is Apple turning out several versions of their OS which was more effective than the excessively long Vista cycle. Interestingly, Apple announced the plans for the Snow Leopard operating system as No New Features.
tl;dr: shorter development cycles are not as efficient (more betas/launches) but should be more responsive. Regardless of the development cycle, CCP just needs to devote some time to polish and followup.
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Kane Starkiller
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Posted - 2010.06.05 08:27:00 -
[1524]
Supported 110%
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Lewis McCain
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Posted - 2010.06.05 08:46:00 -
[1525]
+1
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Louis deGuerre
Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:00:00 -
[1526]
I fully understand that developing new stuff is ten times more fun than bugfixing. But I really, really think that you should spend a 6 month cycle on fixing bugs, giving you a clean slate to continue developing this excellent game Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Odda
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:06:00 -
[1527]
suported
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James Razor
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:25:00 -
[1528]
Fully supported. Also, they changed a lot of things that didnt need that(Cyno Animation for example).
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bolo skymaster
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:40:00 -
[1529]
Signed :)
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Warone
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:41:00 -
[1530]
Fix the damn game. I don`t want new content.
A sick mind following his destiny! |
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MaxxyLee
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:42:00 -
[1531]
I full support this
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Wedi
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:43:00 -
[1532]
Signed
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Kaeh
Minmatar Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:55:00 -
[1533]
I fully support this please ccp work on the lag issues before eve becomes a dead game.
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Cyber Ten
Hellhounds. HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:04:00 -
[1534]
Supported
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Pheusia
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:37:00 -
[1535]
Originally by: Kaeh I fully support this please ccp work on the lag issues before eve becomes a dead game.
Dont forget to check the "Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on" box"
+1 supporting this Signed, Pheusia |
Reachok
Inverted Awareness
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:38:00 -
[1536]
Supported! ________________________________________________
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Ksharaa
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:44:00 -
[1537]
Any chance CCP will respond to this? |
glowreef1
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:50:00 -
[1538]
Signed
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Ceq Lysander
THE GRAIL SEEKER5
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:14:00 -
[1539]
Signed once
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Azzulu
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:15:00 -
[1540]
+1
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Skanthra
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:17:00 -
[1541]
Yes please
110% support
~Skanthra |
Teidor Auvehro
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:27:00 -
[1542]
+1
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Matt Emery
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:32:00 -
[1543]
i support the above :) Matt :)
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Zanab
H A V O C
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:44:00 -
[1544]
+1
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Darnok Iksnibiks
Star Frontiers Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:46:00 -
[1545]
Signed
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Nevan Cero
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:51:00 -
[1546]
+1!
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ElipTiQuE
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:54:00 -
[1547]
+1
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DEATH693
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Posted - 2010.06.05 12:32:00 -
[1548]
+1
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msi
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Posted - 2010.06.05 12:50:00 -
[1549]
Long time player of eve, basicly 3 month after release. running and paying for alot of accounts. But my loyalty doesnt lie with ccp anymore it does with the friends in my community that came through but that group of people have steadily been declining over last few years, and i'm telling you more and more are leaving this game.
Step up ccp and start doing what its needed and here is a hint, its not new content. make eve work like you have promised the last 3+ years.
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Ciaa
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 13:03:00 -
[1550]
ccp have given us a great game that will continue for many many years more, and if Excellence truly is realized, then it will live even longer! DON'T PANIC! |
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Thirum Aninoda
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Posted - 2010.06.05 13:12:00 -
[1551]
100% agreed
even if bugs don't effect my style of gaming that much, but I would appriciat more love to the content that we already have. In my eyes PI could have waited till the month of Dust coming out.
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JasonKuehn
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.05 13:23:00 -
[1552]
If nothing else, just spend 1 full release cycle doing nothing but bug fixes. The player base will love you for it.
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Andrevv
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 14:05:00 -
[1553]
++ Can't really add anything productive other than my support.
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Darina Smirayne
Ennor Holdings
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Posted - 2010.06.05 14:17:00 -
[1554]
The bugs need to be fixed and the older "new" features need some lovin'. Thumbs up from me! -- There are times when I wish that I actually had a creative bone in my body! |
Toranor
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Posted - 2010.06.05 14:26:00 -
[1555]
+1
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Javander
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Posted - 2010.06.05 14:43:00 -
[1556]
+1
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MAISB
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Posted - 2010.06.05 14:58:00 -
[1557]
I SUPPORT
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Isidore Tailleur
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.05 16:25:00 -
[1558]
+1
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Leilani Solaris
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 16:36:00 -
[1559]
I support this topic
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.05 16:40:00 -
[1560]
Definitely.
A lot of EVE is so rough around the edges.
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jentaki
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Posted - 2010.06.05 17:29:00 -
[1561]
yes.. yes.. more of this...
i would be happy to see a full year of patches that flushes out bugs, makes tweaks, and completes on the unfulfilled promises of the last three patches. I thought a year of Excellence actually meant fixing what was already there not adding new features like PI.
yes the sov system, mail system, standing issues, and mineral balances needed changing and we are all happy for them.. but the PI system could have been pushed back for a approach that completed sov changes, standings, and treaties.
I feel bad for CCP on the Faction War front... fewer players are involved in faction war's PVP side then any single region of 0.0 and this is a milti-region pvp arena that is open to the public for all to partake in. Something has to be done to make Faction War worth more then just running missions for special faction gear otherwise it is just another NPC faction corporation in eve.
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Chuck Skull
b.b.k Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.06.05 18:37:00 -
[1562]
Completely agreed. Having run a reasonably sized corp, I can attest that at least 1 member every-single-day comes out with some variation on this theme in a frustrated response to one 'feature' or another. By far the most common complaint I've heard in regards to eve from long term players. ---
Also available in 'sober' |
Lyasi
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Posted - 2010.06.05 20:37:00 -
[1563]
+1
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Mai Nor
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Posted - 2010.06.05 20:49:00 -
[1564]
Edited by: Mai Nor on 05/06/2010 20:49:22 I've been playing Eve since 2006, and I can say without hesitation that it is the single best Space MMOG currently active. Obviously it has dominated the market for a very long time, with little in the way of competition. Almost no games (of any genre) can match it in sheer economic depth.
Unfortunately, lack of competition seems to have made CCP a little uncareful. Most of the "new" content they release, is just faulty revamps of current systems. Wormholes are great, but theyre just really hard pve mixed with extra-null null-sec. (Dont get me wrong, I love w-holing). Everything they release is a new version of something already existing in game. CCP should realize how much difference improving current content and expanding current content can be to a market, especially with a game as old as Eve. Right now they are releasing "new" content based on glitchy "old" content.
Looking forward to the 0.0 changes promised for Tyranis, hope CCP follows through with them.
P.S. The little radar on my scorpion is *****in.
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Dipluz
Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:34:00 -
[1565]
on DAMN time CCP start taking care of stuff to still make it work, and stop making stuff usueless to play with just for the sake of giving out new! --------------------------
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NBT
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:35:00 -
[1566]
/signed!
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Bulllrock
Heroes.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:35:00 -
[1567]
Here here... Supported 100%.
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Jitawhore1
Notorious Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:35:00 -
[1568]
+1
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Prospector Chief
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:36:00 -
[1569]
FIX STUFF!
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Bladwin
Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:37:00 -
[1570]
suprise!!
------------------------------------ Ceo of Notorious Industries |
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small guy
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:38:00 -
[1571]
+1
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Warstomp
H A V O C
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:50:00 -
[1572]
Supported defiantly do this
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DjmAc10
DEFCON. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:51:00 -
[1573]
+10
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Peter Tjordenskiold
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 21:59:00 -
[1574]
agree
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DRACO selen
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 22:11:00 -
[1575]
hi.
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NoFear Furian
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 22:29:00 -
[1576]
true
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Ticondrius
Orbital Infinity Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.06.05 22:48:00 -
[1577]
Definitely supported... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls |
Oljud Zork
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 23:13:00 -
[1578]
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Recluse Viramor
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 23:28:00 -
[1579]
upboat
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.06.05 23:28:00 -
[1580]
Supported. Start finishing stuff. ------------------------------------
Who's trip-trapping on my bridge? |
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Neco Stultus
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.05 23:29:00 -
[1581]
i support this
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Jeddeita
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Posted - 2010.06.05 23:32:00 -
[1582]
Edited by: Jeddeita on 05/06/2010 23:32:14 +1
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Jayde Emeraude
Hellcats HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.06.05 23:35:00 -
[1583]
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Bloody Meridian
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Posted - 2010.06.05 23:58:00 -
[1584]
+1
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Sphit Ker
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:06:00 -
[1585]
I support this kind of things.
The following statement is not my signature. The preceding statement is my signature. |
Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:08:00 -
[1586]
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kullis
Galactic Production Dynamics Sons of RA
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:24:00 -
[1587]
Supported
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O2xli
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:41:00 -
[1588]
Edited by: O2xli on 06/06/2010 00:41:03 I am a Software Developer too ... So, i full agree with this !!!
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Merridian Sho
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Posted - 2010.06.06 01:03:00 -
[1589]
supported
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Vilheim Murdock
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Posted - 2010.06.06 01:48:00 -
[1590]
Supported.
I think they should set aside a team to only work on reaching that mark of excellence, a team that won't be reasigned at all, instead of stoping work on new expansions.
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Soon Shin
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Posted - 2010.06.06 02:00:00 -
[1591]
Tyrannis is an expansion that no one truly wanted. PVE players, PVP players, Miners, Industrialists, Traders. Not one of them gave a dam about PI. I feel these expansions are achieving less and less the more CCP does it.
Heck I bet they spent more effort on perfecting the trailer and adverts rather than the game and features themselves.
If visuals and effects of the game were as amazing as those CG effects as seem on the trailers I would be happy. If CCP continues to put more focus on marketing rather than the game, their reputation will fall and their marketing will eventually be taken as a grain of sand.
Some may not like this example but look at Modern Warfare 2, Activision and Infinity put so much hype into it but when people played the game, they felt dissatisfied and now they don't give a damn about the next Call of Duty game that's being made, especially after the main developers pretty much became crippled.
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Slimy Worm
Sons of Viagra
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Posted - 2010.06.06 02:11:00 -
[1592]
Supported, CCP needs to fix existing content before adding any more major new content. Perhaps the next big patch can be devoted to that.
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EvEhate2
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.06 04:56:00 -
[1593]
+1 Signature contains inappropriate content. Removed. Applebabe |
Kathrin Chaos
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.06 04:57:00 -
[1594]
Originally by: EvEhate2 +1
^^this
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Liranan
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.06 06:30:00 -
[1595]
+1 Farjung is my God
You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link. |
Terro Deagas
Double-Down
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Posted - 2010.06.06 06:31:00 -
[1596]
Signed
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Ship Monger
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Posted - 2010.06.06 06:36:00 -
[1597]
+100
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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.06 08:03:00 -
[1598]
Got my support for this.
But I do kind of see were CCP is going with this. Right now there are alot of new things to be added to game like Dust415 interaction and Station walking. I bet once all that there and all the releases that are needed to expand and start new layers of game depth are in place we will not be seeing shinnys for spell and they will hammer out this things. Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Lya Lee
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Posted - 2010.06.06 08:57:00 -
[1599]
I support this idea.
Truth is that elegant powerful design get's more and more complicated when you always want to add something new.
Therefore it can be a far more elegant solution to redesign and enhance existing concepts. Especially broken stuff like the Faction War are easy targets where nobody will cry and shout if you change fundamental things.
Just go out there CCP and make an excellent game. If you do not know how to tackle this stuff without damaging your preexisting gamedesign go out their and get in contact with all the OTHER COMPANIES that collected some wisdom in game design and improving a preexisting system on a long term scale without braking the eggs.
Read Mark Rosewater's brilliant weekly blog about game design on mtg.com for instance. It's even free!
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Sargine West
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Posted - 2010.06.06 08:58:00 -
[1600]
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Jared Reidel
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.06 09:08:00 -
[1601]
Good thread. The concept certainly has my support
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Bulldug
Starlight Enterprise RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.06 10:18:00 -
[1602]
Yes! Quality outweighs quantity.
I have been playing since 2003 and the development team does look like a kid on ADHD that can't keep focus on old content and features. Please start fixing the end game before adding new content. EVE is already a very complex game with a steep learning curve for new players. There are plenty of old neglected content that has the potential to provide a broad range of experiences for years to come.
Broken or neglected features and promises all drive consumers away. One big 'free expansion' a year that add new content should be sufficient. Give more time for testing new content and many smaller patches that improve old content. Let Dust 514 and EVE Online stay as seperate games until the neglected features in EVE has been fixed. EVE has no immediate need for PI and Dust 514 has no immediate need for ingame interaction with EVE. It's a great idea but premature. What would be more prudent is to improve EVE Gate and out-of-game interaction between the players of Eve Online and Dust 514, using this as a stepping stone to future ingame interactions.
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Jodie Amille
Kill Death Ratio
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Posted - 2010.06.06 11:03:00 -
[1603]
definitely signed --------
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Ben Grim
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Posted - 2010.06.06 11:04:00 -
[1604]
+1
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wizzard66
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.06 11:08:00 -
[1605]
Signed
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Tierla Harrington
New Age Flying Industries REPUBLIC OF PANORAD
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Posted - 2010.06.06 11:15:00 -
[1606]
+1 from me. Focus on the big brass and the bean counters. CCP is a for profit company and if you can show them that going for a slower patch schedule with vastly better developed content won't cost them their player base then I think you can pull this proposal off.
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Jett Rockswell
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Posted - 2010.06.06 11:21:00 -
[1607]
+1 |
Tigrandyr
Everset Dropbears
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Posted - 2010.06.06 11:31:00 -
[1608]
Yar
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Tyrion WarMage
Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.06 12:45:00 -
[1609]
/signed
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haav0c
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Posted - 2010.06.06 12:51:00 -
[1610]
PoSes: They're irritating! Remote viewing alone would be appreciated.
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Mr'Smith
THE VALKYRIES Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.06.06 13:03:00 -
[1611]
/signed |
Demonbox
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Posted - 2010.06.06 13:24:00 -
[1612]
+1 have to agree on this
i like the game and all the new content CCP adds with each expansion, but what about make only 1 expansion/year and use the remaining time to fix/implement old content? this way u can both add new shiny toys and polish the old ones
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Bisba
Resonance. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.06 14:10:00 -
[1613]
+many
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JurassicDragon
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Posted - 2010.06.06 14:17:00 -
[1614]
Edited by: JurassicDragon on 06/06/2010 14:17:12 supported, 100%
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Anastasia DC
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.06 14:35:00 -
[1615]
+1
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Tlar Sanqua
Gallente Defence Initiative
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Posted - 2010.06.06 14:41:00 -
[1616]
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.06 16:40:00 -
[1617]
today i logged on to see a "news article" about how 15,000+ people cannot be "wrong" since they were watching AT8 on streaming vid.
CCP, i ask you: 50ish pages * 30 posts per page = 1500 people have posted so far, the vast majority supporting the OP.
Are we wrong?
Fix Eve. ---- The Sneakiest Noob in all of EVE |
Seraphine Keratuus
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.06.06 16:56:00 -
[1618]
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Jodo McFatty
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Posted - 2010.06.06 16:58:00 -
[1619]
I fully support this- great thread
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Aeton Sol
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Posted - 2010.06.06 17:45:00 -
[1620]
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Raiin FarSeeker
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Posted - 2010.06.06 18:07:00 -
[1621]
I wholeheartedly agree. As a loyal, and steadfast player with four accounts I believe I have a right to expect loyalty from CCP in return. Finishing what is unfinished, fixing what is broken, and polishing what has become dull would make EvE more interesting and, as a result, I believe, help CCP's bottom line more than new shinys twice a year. I like the idea of a 9 month expansion cycle or, even, one new expansion and one "completion" expansion a year.
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Psycros
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Posted - 2010.06.06 19:39:00 -
[1622]
Edited by: Psycros on 06/06/2010 19:42:59 COULD NOT AGREE MORE.
My feeling is that Eve has only been "OK" up to now. Adding new content is fine, but if the foundation is shaky you're ultimately just creating more problems. Most of the critical acclaim EVE has garnered is due to the game's uniqueness, not its overall quality. The minute some big game publisher figures this out, their going to produce a superior space MMO and steal away most of the userbase. The carebears will go first, followed by the solo mission runners and casual PvPers. Only the hard core lowsec people will remain, and even many of them may be lured away if the competition is compelling enough. CCP will have nobody but itself to blame - the sheer amount of web marketing and hype this game gets is unbelievable, considering the relatively tiny amount of customers EVE has. From what I've heard most of the trial players come and go within days, disgusted and perplexed by the half-baked UI which hinders rather than helps. Their looking for this style of gameplay but are used to a much more polished experience. The resulting feedback spreads through the interwebz where other developers and publishers pick up on it. The (highly dubious) awards CCP receives only draw more attention from the big boys, who are already looking for the next "big thing" to supplement the threadbare MMORPG experience. CCP needs to give top priority to bug fixing, overhauling the UI, restoring faction balance, improving the non-pirate experience and allowing for greater customization of player properties (ships, structures, etc.). If they don't get serious this year, then I strongly suspect the clock will start ticking. As the MMO audience matures, the demand for a more accessible EVE-like experience will grow exponentially. Somebody is going to meet that demand.
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Pheonix Summers
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Posted - 2010.06.06 19:58:00 -
[1623]
totally support. I've felt this way since I started playing.
I was (and still am) astounded at the number and frequency of glitches and shotty work I see in EVE.
Some issues have simply gotten worse!
For example, catalyst hulls? Before they were just fragments of the hull on my screen, now they are a blur of overenlargened pixels that stretch the system I'm in, looks something similar to the gate flash except taking up over half my screen. And it only happens in select systems.
Anyways, that's just ONE. CCP needs to slow down, backtrack, and fix the old before it compounds with new problems.
+1 indeed.
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Disco Jack
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:02:00 -
[1624]
+1
And to CCP, if you ignore this much support over something, it makes us wonder if ANYTHING we do will effect your decisions in this game, just look at the pages and pages and pages of support for this proposal, and many of us have just never brought it up officially. I've been feeling this way for several months and have voiced so to many people in and out of game.
Sometimes it's hard to recommend the game because I know that people get turned off by all the unfinished product.
Spend some time and money on fixing the game, and I have no doubt that you will many many more people logged on and continually breaking your new record over 60,000.
Some work on the mac client would also help, eve has the potential to be excellent, it's great sure, but there are too many problems to call it excellent.
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Wu Jiaqiu
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.06 21:03:00 -
[1625]
Edited by: Wu Jiaqiu on 06/06/2010 21:03:26 Supporting this excellent proposal for excellence
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ANGAL 2000
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Posted - 2010.06.06 21:17:00 -
[1626]
Edited by: ANGAL 2000 on 06/06/2010 21:17:00 /signed
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Edsback
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.06 21:18:00 -
[1627]
agreed.
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Jamal Zorta
Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2010.06.06 21:22:00 -
[1628]
signed
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DaMiGe
Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.06 21:24:00 -
[1629]
Definitely Supported.
---> My vids <--- latest movie = DaMiGe Control 2 |
Arcaine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.06 21:55:00 -
[1630]
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Kaikka Valeeva
Trust Foundation Liberi Fatales
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Posted - 2010.06.06 22:07:00 -
[1631]
+1
The only big problem i have with ccp is that nothing ever gets finshed to the talked about level of excellence that has been hi lighted in this thread,We all love the new stuff but the old stuff needs to be "finshed"
I would be more than happy with 1 patch a year with lots a new shiney stuff then 1 patch 6 months later to "finsh" it off.
Kaikka
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.06.06 22:58:00 -
[1632]
The OP's post was well thought, very clear and to the point, and i wholeheartedly support his proposal. I do hope CCP will be reading this and taking it very seriously. EVE's features can certainly need the polishing to reach the excellence standard.
+1 -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
Rikki Sals
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Posted - 2010.06.07 00:12:00 -
[1633]
Very well expressed proposal, and I think it's a sentiment that the vast majority of subscribers share.
While new shiny features capture some game press and perhaps cause a few new subs and resubs temporarily, the game ALREADY offers a vast range of different experiences that potentially appeal to a wide audience. Have pride in what you have already made, and refine and polish it until it truly shines.
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Velocifero
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Posted - 2010.06.07 00:25:00 -
[1634]
I love you CCP. I hurts but I have to support this. |
Fyrr Deerdan
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.07 00:44:00 -
[1635]
+1 Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Applebabe |
Soy Salomon
Envoy Corps Quebec Power
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Posted - 2010.06.07 00:49:00 -
[1636]
+1
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McFleury
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Posted - 2010.06.07 00:58:00 -
[1637]
+1
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Sierra X117
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Posted - 2010.06.07 01:11:00 -
[1638]
good points :) +1 for me
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Stardrifter1979
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.07 01:42:00 -
[1639]
Quality > Quantity always. Love the game but to many things broke or out of date and need to be updated. 1 Expansion a year is fine as long as that means that CCP can focus on fixing the broken and outdated things.
Star Fight hard, Fight noble |
LordRule
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:17:00 -
[1640]
+1
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Licinius CrassusFilius
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:20:00 -
[1641]
+1
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Surda Elysium
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:48:00 -
[1642]
Yes, time to show excellence in actions, not words or videos.
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Dorotent
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:50:00 -
[1643]
+1
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Max Sellmore
Neo Corp The Ronin Brotherhood
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Posted - 2010.06.07 04:32:00 -
[1644]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
tl;dr What we would like CCP to consider: * Continue developing features until they reach a predetermined 'excellence' level * Re-evaluate the amount of time allocated to fixing/developing old content and reduce the nonchalant attitude towards re-assigning teams to shiny new content. * Reconsider the total release schedule time: is it really sufficient to produce 'excellent' quality game design?
/support Max Sellmore
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vespa dominix
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Posted - 2010.06.07 04:50:00 -
[1645]
Supported
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123baseisonme
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:59:00 -
[1646]
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Nathanel
Dark Temple
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:00:00 -
[1647]
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Beauty III
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:00:00 -
[1648]
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Gregory Alexander
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:00:00 -
[1649]
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Benjaminion
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:01:00 -
[1650]
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Kontalaa
Trinity Core
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:51:00 -
[1651]
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fixmer
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Posted - 2010.06.07 07:08:00 -
[1652]
100% agree
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RDNx 02
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:05:00 -
[1653]
As someone who runs a software engineering company, I feel CCP's pain, I know it is a tough balance, however agree with Dierdra Vaal on this one.
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Braskyte
StarShard Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:08:00 -
[1654]
Yes please!!!
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Crownsith
Potentium Force
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:28:00 -
[1655]
YES
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Taja Rominsco
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:41:00 -
[1656]
Fully supported - The next expansion should be fixing stuff from the last couple of years and maybe if the art department need something to do they can give more ships a reskin like we heard was comming.
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Boraf Flux
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:46:00 -
[1657]
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Nick Parker
Stormwolf Holdings LLC OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:50:00 -
[1658]
Edited by: Nick Parker on 07/06/2010 08:53:51 Having played this game since the second genesis, I don't know hwy I keep coming back for more, but I do. I wholeheartedly support this. [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/view/player-Nick%20Parker-kills.html][/url] |
Natasha Alberacht
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:56:00 -
[1659]
please please do this
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Jita seaker
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Posted - 2010.06.07 09:05:00 -
[1660]
All the support to this!
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Gnagelram
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Posted - 2010.06.07 09:30:00 -
[1661]
+1
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Jones Owen
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Posted - 2010.06.07 09:31:00 -
[1662]
yes
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Cpt Power
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Posted - 2010.06.07 09:34:00 -
[1663]
Half of this game is like archaic.
We need updates of old features and the terrible UI, not more new stuff. Also for the low of god scrap walking in stations....
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MrSnooze
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Posted - 2010.06.07 09:45:00 -
[1664]
+1 Minmatar |
Admiral Stretch
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.07 10:09:00 -
[1665]
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Defisos
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Posted - 2010.06.07 10:17:00 -
[1666]
supported!
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Western Union
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Posted - 2010.06.07 10:19:00 -
[1667]
+1
Any chance CCP will comment on this?
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Sturmlied
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Posted - 2010.06.07 11:18:00 -
[1668]
I have to 100% agree to this.
In my honest opionion it would also help CCP. Eve is a great game but I think it would attract more players if more of the features would just reach the excellence CCP is preaching.
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2010.06.07 12:29:00 -
[1669]
I like pie. |
Camios
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.07 12:58:00 -
[1670]
While I agree with this, I imagine what this game will become with all the future development. Because this game is a world, and something is still missing in it from a theoretical point of view, so it actually needs new features.
But from the perspective of a player, I cannot disagreee with the OP.
IMHO, CCP should assign permanently a scrum team for every one of these areas:
- Improving all UI (combat UI, corp management UI, POS management)
- Fix the damn lag and once you did it don't mess with it again (at least call for a mass testing before, if you did this for dominion release you would have warned before doing such a bad move).
- Game design on factional warfare
- Game design of 0.0 sov warfare (about treaties, and a mechanic that encourages smaller engagements avoiding lag)
- Game design on improving lowsec, and generally balancing the revenue of 0.0/lowsec/highsec.
- Game design on general rebalancement of ships and weapons
There should be some sticked threads in the Feature and Ideas discussion like the one Abathur did, discussing all these aspect, where CCP devs discuss with us.
It's clear that rebalancing lowsec/empire will make someone unhappy: we had a lot of mission runners whine, and any change to 0.0 warfare will make some 0.0 guy cry. But that must happen. And a better UI and lagless game are due.
So thumbs up
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Pesro Montales
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 14:17:00 -
[1671]
Hell yeh!
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.07 14:32:00 -
[1672]
Anybody who wants anything good for EVE Online must support this proposal.
I have a nagging feeling, that it is a very specific person or group of people who at "fault" for this unhealthy development, and that they properly have been caught up in routine and fancy slogans and are having a hard time to sit back and reflect.
I also have a feeling that Incarna is a momentous task to pull off, and with all the promises and future possibilities it will provide, it needs to be delivered pretty soon. But when that task is done, it is my hope that all 2011 "expansions" will be about adding to and fixing old stuff.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
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Robotis
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:19:00 -
[1673]
I'm new to this community but even I find the game needs refininement in many areas. Supported! |
xerses0
Pyrotechnics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:23:00 -
[1674]
+1 |
Carl Rannseier
Trust Foundation Liberi Fatales
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:47:00 -
[1675]
I totally agree. In fact i wouldn't mind if i don't see a new expansion in the next 2 years if the current game would be brought to excellence... ________________________________________ There are 10 types of people, those that understand binary and those that don't... |
D'aluu
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:22:00 -
[1676]
I support this strategy.
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Ripi
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Posted - 2010.06.07 18:09:00 -
[1677]
Edited by: Ripi on 07/06/2010 18:09:32 I support this. I am relatively new in the eve perspective of things and we don't need massive amounts of new content in each expansion. The learning curve for eve is already like climbing Everest. All of the details need to be ironed out.
Signed
This game is alot of fun and quite addictive but we need more updates fixing the existing content.
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Sofan erdepfel
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Posted - 2010.06.07 19:09:00 -
[1678]
excellence?where?all i wanted from day one was anti aliasing.i think im not alone.all the workarounds dont(realy) work for me.
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fxandrew
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Posted - 2010.06.07 20:40:00 -
[1679]
Supported
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Ghunter Keller
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Posted - 2010.06.07 22:08:00 -
[1680]
100% support
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Erichk Knaar
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.07 23:13:00 -
[1681]
New features are ok. Old features need to be iterated on until excellent.
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Helios Black
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.07 23:32:00 -
[1682]
Edited by: Helios Black on 07/06/2010 23:35:28 I completely agree, nice proposal, DV.
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Limyc
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.07 23:57:00 -
[1683]
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Alyssa Eneas
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Posted - 2010.06.08 00:15:00 -
[1684]
Agree 110%
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Theodore geisel
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.08 01:22:00 -
[1685]
gotta toss in my vote too.
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.06.08 01:39:00 -
[1686]
If only they realized how much of a better game this would make...
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KonusVector
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Posted - 2010.06.08 05:45:00 -
[1687]
Edited by: KonusVector on 08/06/2010 05:44:54 agree
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Sverre Haakonson
X1983
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Posted - 2010.06.08 07:39:00 -
[1688]
agree
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Sezdro
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Posted - 2010.06.08 09:05:00 -
[1689]
I agree.
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Wollari
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.08 09:19:00 -
[1690]
go for it
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die Retribution.
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:01:00 -
[1691]
suppored however...
CCP are the controllers of this..They have been defining the boundaries, and they will continue to define the excellence boundry also, which is probably a false positive, meaning what they class as as excellence really falls quite short of the real excellence mark.
To be honest after all these years I dont trust a single word CCP says anymore...The are more interested in bringing in crap unfinished features just to grab a quick buck...sad but true, and the more ppl eve brings in the less likely CCP will listen, because for every 1 person that leaves 5 probably join, so they think hey who cares, we dont need those players anyway...
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Volster
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.08 12:00:00 -
[1692]
bring back dj doby! |
Shodan VonBraun
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Posted - 2010.06.08 12:02:00 -
[1693]
Agreed wholeheartedly. Eve is already deep enough and has such an overly robust feature set that I feel like I could play for years and still have only scratched the surface. I can understand the sense of urgency to get Incarna prepped in time to release with or before Dust but ultimately it only makes sense to have the rest of the game as polished and ready to go as our fancy new bodies. Seems like it would go a long way towards subscriber retention and eventually attracting some future Dustheads that don't realize they have an Internet Spaceship Addiction yet.
SvB
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Karithian
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Posted - 2010.06.08 12:20:00 -
[1694]
So much needed to pay attention to details. Finish products and make EVE a polished high quality product.
I FULLY support this topic!
+1
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Deathsweep
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Posted - 2010.06.08 12:59:00 -
[1695]
I agree whole heartedly. CCP needs a definate upgrade in the ui department.
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Hoertjie
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Posted - 2010.06.08 13:08:00 -
[1696]
+1
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Lycaenide
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Posted - 2010.06.08 13:32:00 -
[1697]
Edited by: Lycaenide on 08/06/2010 13:32:26 Agreed.
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San Ti
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.08 13:58:00 -
[1698]
I'd be happy if CCP got the "merely 'good' or 'adequate'" part right tbh.
Is what happened to PL and CVA 'good' or 'adequate'. Faction warfare, .exe files, CCP's petition responses etc etc.
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Janos Saal
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:04:00 -
[1699]
Edited by: Janos Saal on 08/06/2010 15:05:04 Does this proposal have any CSM support yet?
e: shoulda read the first page I guess. Hope something good comes from this.
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Duskchylde
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:58:00 -
[1700]
Finally! +1 here. Please give missions a little overhaul.
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Oste popp
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:59:00 -
[1701]
Gogogo :) I agree
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Banedon Runestar
Gallente Mining and Manufacturing Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:11:00 -
[1702]
I very much agree with this.
Faction Warface was supposed to be the start of something. It has just stagnated and died.
The Contact list folders disappearing with nothing to replace them is another perfect example. Will we get folders back? Soon? Soon(TM)? Never?
Fleet lag getting cleaned up again would be nice as well.
I would be fine with a slower release schedule and having CCP spend some time and effort fixing broken content, fleshing out older content, and adding small tweaks for new content. ______________________
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Narasir
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:11:00 -
[1703]
+1
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Dys Novus
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:45:00 -
[1704]
Agreed.
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Laedien Boulderan
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Posted - 2010.06.08 20:36:00 -
[1705]
Supported
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Alamina Chatrez
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Posted - 2010.06.08 20:38:00 -
[1706]
Supported
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Sovris
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Posted - 2010.06.08 20:38:00 -
[1707]
Supported
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.06.08 20:56:00 -
[1708]
Everyone that reads this topic needs to give it a support through the checkbox and post a reply stating such.
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dontknowaboutmyships
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Posted - 2010.06.09 02:34:00 -
[1709]
Supporting this threadnought.
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Elita Ocelot
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:27:00 -
[1710]
Supported.
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:46:00 -
[1711]
/me grabs pitchfork
Yup... and I speak for all the other mac users... enough is enough.
Fix your crap so its not crap.
Please?
With a Cherry on Top?
========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Voith
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:49:00 -
[1712]
Edited by: Voith on 09/06/2010 05:49:17 /signed
In Eve there is not a lack of interesting paths for people to take. To name a few there is Missioning, Piracy, Mining, Production, Trade, Research, Exploration, Ratting, NullSec Warfare, Mercenary, Bounty Hunting, Faction Warfare and more. No, the problem with Eve isn't a lack of paths or "systems" (There are probably 20 different systems in combat alone), it is a lack of quality in those systems. So many seem to be completely forgotten.
CCP has succeed in a creating a system where people can fill hundreds of roles across a broad spectrum of areas. However they have failed at making many of those paths worthwhile. Areas such as Wormholes and Exploration, Faction Warfare, Bounty Hunting, Treaties leave much to be desired. To say nothing of the systems so mediocre few can even recall their existence.
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Lord Cath
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:58:00 -
[1713]
More content is not going to get you more customers, if 60% of the actual content is borked... __________________________________________________
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Zombieverkaeufer
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Posted - 2010.06.09 06:20:00 -
[1714]
Supported
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Cyrus Gandohmei
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Posted - 2010.06.09 07:43:00 -
[1715]
Supported
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Vorstellung
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Posted - 2010.06.09 07:50:00 -
[1716]
eve is fine :)
-1 just to be no whine-sheep
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RinnosukeETQW
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Posted - 2010.06.09 09:40:00 -
[1717]
Signed
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.06.09 09:50:00 -
[1718]
this proposal was brought up in CSM5 meeting 1 (sunday june 6th) and accepted with a strong 8 to 1 majority. We will push CCP to give us an in depth discussion on the subject. :)
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 10:10:00 -
[1719]
Edited by: Malcanis on 09/06/2010 10:14:19
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal this proposal was brought up in CSM5 meeting 1 (sunday june 6th) and accepted with a strong 8 to 1 majority. We will push CCP to give us an in depth discussion on the subject. :)
Well I dont think anyone could deny that you have a strong mandate. I hope it all goes well.
EDIT: If CCP bring up the old "new expansions bring in new players" you can point out that the "I quit EVE because so much stuff is broken" demographic is getting pretty big - big enough to be worth chasing.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Janos Saal
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Posted - 2010.06.09 10:28:00 -
[1720]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal this proposal was brought up in CSM5 meeting 1 (sunday june 6th) and accepted with a strong 8 to 1 majority. We will push CCP to give us an in depth discussion on the subject. :)
Wunderbar :)
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Bastaardicious
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.09 11:25:00 -
[1721]
Supported
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Poontangasaurus
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Posted - 2010.06.09 12:08:00 -
[1722]
+1 |
Lyria Talmanes
Gallente Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.09 12:19:00 -
[1723]
+1
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Talzcoe Talizman
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Posted - 2010.06.09 14:41:00 -
[1724]
Signed.
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War Khan
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.09 15:01:00 -
[1725]
+1
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.06.09 15:51:00 -
[1726]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal this proposal was brought up in CSM5 meeting 1 (sunday june 6th) and accepted with a strong 8 to 1 majority. We will push CCP to give us an in depth discussion on the subject. :)
Who the **** voted against it?!?! I'll make sure nevar to vote for him/her.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.06.09 15:53:00 -
[1727]
Finally a thread worth the time to log in to support.
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.09 16:48:00 -
[1728]
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Finally a thread worth the time to log in to support.
This. First time I have thumbed-up anything.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.06.09 16:52:00 -
[1729]
Definitely ...
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M4nfr3d
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Posted - 2010.06.09 16:56:00 -
[1730]
Supported
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neldu
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Posted - 2010.06.09 16:57:00 -
[1731]
Supported
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king curt
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.09 18:18:00 -
[1732]
+1
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Baeryn
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2010.06.09 19:07:00 -
[1733]
+1 for "No technological hurdles inhibiting feature implementation" Role Playing Games by RolePlayGateway |
AlphaAngel
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Posted - 2010.06.09 19:42:00 -
[1734]
Oops, forgot the thumbs up!
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Pacala
Gallente Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.09 19:57:00 -
[1735]
Signed. __________________________________________________
I haven't needed a signature for 4 years.
ccp = cccp?
discuss |
Sevarus James
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:21:00 -
[1736]
Its funny. When I saw this post I thought I was looking at a thread for "insert app/program/operating system here" forum post. Coders and developers are the same the woild over and 'oooh shiny' is a part of the mind set.
That said. Supported!
Updated Arch64 Compiz-Linux Desktop Who is John Galt? |
DAFree
Flaming Fly on Fire
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:42:00 -
[1737]
+1
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Urhgo Khanab
Rogen's Heroes
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:48:00 -
[1738]
Supported
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Original Sin.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:59:00 -
[1739]
Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal this proposal was brought up in CSM5 meeting 1 (sunday june 6th) and accepted with a strong 8 to 1 majority. We will push CCP to give us an in depth discussion on the subject. :)
Who the **** voted against it?!?! I'll make sure nevar to vote for him/her.
Ankh did. I think the words "I told you so" come to mind.
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ALPHA12125
0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.06.09 22:10:00 -
[1740]
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Zeredek
Vanguard Venture
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Posted - 2010.06.10 00:02:00 -
[1741]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules.
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GodsVervloek
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.06.10 00:30:00 -
[1742]
Even though I already cancelled all my accounts, I support this. I hope CCP gets their act together, until then I'll look for my gaming fix somewhere else.
Tyrannis is a pot s*** and not worthy of being called an expansion.
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ghosttr
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.10 00:56:00 -
[1743]
I agree with this 100%
CCP needs to finish on, and continue to improve on expansions. And stop this policy of rushing features out the door half baked, and then dropping them to work on the next new thing.
I also would like to see a more open bug tracking and reporting process. Maybe an open list of known bugs, possibly with some type of priority level to be fixed?
Players could submit new bugs, or add information to an already existing case. Players could also try and say how sever the issue is for them, so CCP could prioritize and fix the bugs that are most important to players first? Prospecting! |
Mollis Rex
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Posted - 2010.06.10 01:11:00 -
[1744]
Just another thumbs up to add to the ball.
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Seth Ruin
Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.10 01:35:00 -
[1745]
Of course I'm supporting, but I doubt CCP will ever really shift their focus. I've just about had it with CCP's bait-and-switch routine.
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Din Chao
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.10 04:02:00 -
[1746]
Support, of course.
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Myxx
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Posted - 2010.06.10 05:42:00 -
[1747]
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.06.10 05:57:00 -
[1748]
Supported!
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Robdon
Baptism oF Fire
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Posted - 2010.06.10 06:24:00 -
[1749]
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Psycros
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Posted - 2010.06.10 06:55:00 -
[1750]
Originally by: Franga Did any of you read the Tyrannis expansion notes? The vast majority of them were bug fixes, one of the very things you all are saying CCP should do better with.
Maybe in your reality, but not in ours - at best 10-20% of the effort was on code repair. IMO Tyrannis was 70% PI and 20% meaningless UI changes and no amount of spin will change that. Sure, there were bug fixes, but nearly all were minor bugs hardly anyone cared about! Meanwhile we're still playing this broken game year after year, because there's nothing better out there in the same vein. But the minute there is...? The clock starts ticking for CCP. In fact, I'm pretty sure it already is. There's way too many professional programmers and such in this game, and they know people who know people..
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Zanofer
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Posted - 2010.06.10 07:58:00 -
[1751]
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Haxfar Portlaind
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Posted - 2010.06.10 08:43:00 -
[1752]
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Kjar Achran
Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.06.10 08:59:00 -
[1753]
Yes yes yes
rather soon, not soonÖ
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.06.10 09:10:00 -
[1754]
Supported
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Alleghani
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Posted - 2010.06.10 09:34:00 -
[1755]
agree
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Grimster
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.10 09:41:00 -
[1756]
Fully agree!
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Ecte
Vertigo Sun
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Posted - 2010.06.10 11:08:00 -
[1757]
Edited by: Ecte on 10/06/2010 11:08:43 I fully and wholeheartedly support this, and hope CCP reads it and responds to it in some manner, if nothing else. |
Zakurai
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Posted - 2010.06.10 12:01:00 -
[1758]
I think that if they made the next expansion one that focuses on expanding, thereby finishing, what's already present, then about 60% of the problems are gone. They would have to find some way to make it more marketable than just "Hey, we fixed some broken features" but you get the idea. Perhaps have two expansions a year: one focusing on new material, the other to expand, and improve, existing material in the 6 month intervals they have going.
Personally I think the reason behind the big push of new materials is to try and keep people playing eve when Star Trek online comes out. I love Eve and have no intention of jumping ship, but that's not to say others wont.
Supported :D
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michael weels
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Posted - 2010.06.10 12:43:00 -
[1759]
I strongly encourage this, and as along-time player i certainly do hope CCP does what's been suggested here.
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Vakasho Umi
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Posted - 2010.06.10 12:44:00 -
[1760]
I'm a bit concerned about the way things are turning out regarding the recently released expansions...
Full support!
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Mara Myra
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Posted - 2010.06.10 13:19:00 -
[1761]
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Teschan
Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.10 14:56:00 -
[1762]
This thread appeals to my interests.
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Smertrios
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:08:00 -
[1763]
Full support from me.
We don't need new stuff we want the stuff that was promised but under delivered!
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Bawbkun
Dark Ashes United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:22:00 -
[1764]
Needs more thumbs!
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Phorr Evarr
Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:27:00 -
[1765]
Absolutely supported. CCP have made a great game. Polish up the existing, don't leave half finished bits hanging.
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Sader Rykane
Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:41:00 -
[1766]
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:41:00 -
[1767]
Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
343guilty1
Strategic Insanity
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:42:00 -
[1768]
Edited by: 343guilty1 on 10/06/2010 15:41:50 Supported, CCP said themselves that 6 months isn't even enough time for the CSM to do anything worthwhile, thus extending into a 12 month period, how do you expect to full on create a brand new patch of gaming software of this magnitude in 6 months when it's claimed that you can't even talk about it effectively in that time
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fire elf
Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:45:00 -
[1769]
Yupp Its True.. CCP has to look more at theyr "Excellent" features
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Max Wilson
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:49:00 -
[1770]
+1
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MisterOizo
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:50:00 -
[1771]
/Signed
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Rafina Kalare
Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:51:00 -
[1772]
+1
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Manks Girl
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:52:00 -
[1773]
I completely support this thread
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Lord MoLe
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:54:00 -
[1774]
support
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Judy Spark
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Posted - 2010.06.10 15:55:00 -
[1775]
Yes please.
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Ignis Fire
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Posted - 2010.06.10 17:50:00 -
[1776]
+1
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Tim Imants
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Posted - 2010.06.10 18:27:00 -
[1777]
Supported. |
Kindred Wolf
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Posted - 2010.06.10 18:48:00 -
[1778]
+1
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Snowmore
Hipernova death from above..
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Posted - 2010.06.10 19:34:00 -
[1779]
I have high hopes for this proposal.
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.06.10 20:51:00 -
[1780]
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Phase Hunter
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Posted - 2010.06.10 21:29:00 -
[1781]
Edited by: Phase Hunter on 10/06/2010 21:29:39 Supported
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Dakisha
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.10 22:14:00 -
[1782]
+1
There has been no excellence in ccp for a long while now; it always annoyed me that they think we somehow don't see through the shiny PR job.
Don't take us for cretins and do what you say you will for a change.
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linedash
Solar Wind AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.06.10 22:15:00 -
[1783]
+1
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Si Raven
Raven's Toy Production
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Posted - 2010.06.10 22:23:00 -
[1784]
Yes please. New content can be based on previous content. While CCP feel they need new content to keep current subscribers, making current content easier to use (ie UI updates) or adding challenges (ie improve FW) will make the game more complete.
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Marz Ghola
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.06.10 22:37:00 -
[1785]
Please take heed, FW (among other features) needs HALP!
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Cazzah
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.11 02:55:00 -
[1786]
Supported. |
Damien Anders
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 07:23:00 -
[1787]
Supported! "This wise man observed that wealth is a tool of freedom. But the pursuit of wealth is the way to slavery." |
Author Kind
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Posted - 2010.06.11 07:55:00 -
[1788]
Support
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PAPATOR
Gallente TORCLAN
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Posted - 2010.06.11 12:04:00 -
[1789]
This is why I voted for you. Set clear priorities and focus on them. Good luck with this mission. Chief Chicken |
Tyrranous
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Posted - 2010.06.11 13:41:00 -
[1790]
+1
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.11 14:13:00 -
[1791]
Supported, quality over quantity please.
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Invicti Nyx
Versus Gloria Omnis Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
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Posted - 2010.06.11 15:38:00 -
[1792]
Edited by: Invicti Nyx on 11/06/2010 15:38:42 Supported! EVE Online is an excellent game, and I understand the push for new features to attract new customers in the highly competitive MMO market, but EVE has a lot of good stuff that could become great stuff with a little more follow-through.
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Drachenlord
Organic Meatbags
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Posted - 2010.06.11 17:06:00 -
[1793]
A Great idea, has my support...
Now... will it change anything? I'm skeptical... ----- While the Enemies of the Empire still draw breath there can be no peace |
DiElena Worrikim
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.11 17:19:00 -
[1794]
Edited by: DiElena Worrikim on 11/06/2010 17:20:13 Signed. |
Zedah Zoid
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.11 17:37:00 -
[1795]
/signed
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Nuttz25
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:07:00 -
[1796]
+1
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Frood Frooster
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:16:00 -
[1797]
+1
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:39:00 -
[1798]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal this proposal was brought up in CSM5 meeting 1 (sunday june 6th) and accepted with a strong 8 to 1 majority. We will push CCP to give us an in depth discussion on the subject. :)
Can you update the OP to include links to each of your updates in this thread? Also, saying which of the CSM voted each way would be pretty fantastic. :)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.11 21:01:00 -
[1799]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal this proposal was brought up in CSM5 meeting 1 (sunday june 6th) and accepted with a strong 8 to 1 majority. We will push CCP to give us an in depth discussion on the subject. :)
Can you update the OP to include links to each of your updates in this thread? Also, saying which of the CSM voted each way would be pretty fantastic. :)
-Liang
I believe it was Ankh that voted against it. Someone may want to "fact check" me on that one though. _______________________
"Just because I look like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Van Rivor
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:08:00 -
[1800]
It was Ankh, she's only worried about herself, not the good of the game.
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Ms Michigan
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:09:00 -
[1801]
Signed - hoping money isn't an issue behind the lack of excellence.
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Aura Omega
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.06.12 06:54:00 -
[1802]
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Leneerra
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.12 13:17:00 -
[1803]
well said
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Errastas
THC LTD Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.12 13:53:00 -
[1804]
Save the orphan features!
Supported.
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Leto Ryn
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:26:00 -
[1805]
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Leumas Kharzim
Intaki Armaments
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Posted - 2010.06.12 17:56:00 -
[1806]
Signed.
Please leave a team assigned to major features through several development cycles and let them continually improve on the feature.
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Malkev
Old Bastards Club
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Posted - 2010.06.12 19:39:00 -
[1807]
That's a big 10-4.
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00tricky
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.12 20:55:00 -
[1808]
i got your excellence right here!
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Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2010.06.12 21:49:00 -
[1809]
+1 to the OP |
Wookie 1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 21:52:00 -
[1810]
Yes
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Aurian Skygrasper
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Posted - 2010.06.12 22:46:00 -
[1811]
Edited by: Aurian Skygrasper on 12/06/2010 22:47:10 Thank you Dierdra for voicing so many players' feelings so elegantly, I can but agree that CCP needs to do things PROPERLY, not just present a half-assed new feature and then move on producing more half-assed features.
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max ericshaun
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Posted - 2010.06.13 00:35:00 -
[1812]
supported
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Laconis Dax
Children of Armok
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Posted - 2010.06.13 01:23:00 -
[1813]
Signed! |
Stoned Wish
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Posted - 2010.06.13 01:33:00 -
[1814]
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Mejalv Vusk
Bionesis Technologies Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.13 07:16:00 -
[1815]
Very much supported.
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NAOMI369369
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Posted - 2010.06.13 07:43:00 -
[1816]
+1
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Ekrid
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.13 11:31:00 -
[1817]
Im going to bump this proposal with my personal +1 because, whether I may or may not agree with parts of it, I agree with the general idea behind it. "Waaaah" - Navigator
Alts: When your USD/Life ratio is higher than Truman's K/d in WWII
" i'll log my alt in to scout for hostiles". [i] - A Fiercely carebear pirate. |
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 11:36:00 -
[1818]
I'll gladly take just 1 expansion per year (or even less) if that means they have the time to do them properly and in the mean time fix current issues.
----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service |
Aelius
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.06.13 11:42:00 -
[1819]
_________________________
If you can read this you don't need glasses _________________________
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Arabeth
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Posted - 2010.06.13 11:45:00 -
[1820]
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Akiba Penrose
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Posted - 2010.06.13 11:52:00 -
[1821]
Signed
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Arcina
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Posted - 2010.06.13 17:24:00 -
[1822]
Please CCP, fix what you have, make it better, polish it to a mirror sheen and those who now have misgivings will flock back to you once more.
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:23:00 -
[1823]
Supported.
Eve is a great game but we've been promised excellence. Too many feature have been left half finished.
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Cassina Lemour
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:34:00 -
[1824]
Edited by: Cassina Lemour on 13/06/2010 18:34:06 Yes, yes. Take a break from the shiny new stuff. Lets have one release cycle focused on fixing all the broken stuff. Use the cycle to fix the broken process as well as content.
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Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:37:00 -
[1825]
Edited by: Llyandrian on 13/06/2010 18:37:00 Supported.
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I'm 5particus
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:41:00 -
[1826]
+1
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:42:00 -
[1827]
Yes.
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Leedha Lemour
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:49:00 -
[1828]
Edited by: Leedha Lemour on 13/06/2010 18:49:00
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Car'Go
|
Posted - 2010.06.13 19:47:00 -
[1829]
+1
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CyberGh0st
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.13 22:12:00 -
[1830]
Agreed,
Altho I must admit some progress has been made in fixing bugs, like the sound system for example.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.13 22:17:00 -
[1831]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 01/06/2010 08:00:00 (cont.) It is important that old features are excellent before it is too late and we're covered in a huge pile of broken, half finished content.
Is CCP's frantic release schedule to blame? Are 6 months really enough time to develop new features AND improve old features AND fix bugs? While it is awesome to get two free expansions a year, isn't CCP risking quality in order to maintain quantity? Perhaps a release schedule of 9 months per expansion (so 2 expansions every year and half) will give them more time to develop existing features into Excellence, as well as developing new features into a good release-ready state.
tl;dr What we would like CCP to consider: * Continue developing features until they reach a predetermined 'excellence' level * Re-evaluate the amount of time allocated to fixing/developing old content and reduce the nonchalant attitude towards re-assigning teams to shiny new content. * Reconsider the total release schedule time: is it really sufficient to produce 'excellent' quality game design?
I would like to see 1 expansion a year with new content/features and 1 major update a year with fixes and tweaks. That way we still have something too look forward too every 6 months.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Ab'Synth
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Posted - 2010.06.13 23:46:00 -
[1832]
That is the attitude that will take you to your goal, of becoming the ULTIMATE Scy-Fy MMO
/Signed |
jirij
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Posted - 2010.06.14 00:26:00 -
[1833]
Edited by: jirij on 14/06/2010 00:27:31 I very much agree with this post, and would like to propose that the seemingly hardest to tackle problem of this game - namely grid / node lag - be taken seriously as a feature and receive much much more development attention.
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Indary Grimfeather
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Posted - 2010.06.14 03:18:00 -
[1834]
supported
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Lirael Dyrim
THE DISC AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.06.14 05:06:00 -
[1835]
Supported.
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Schmetterflug
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Posted - 2010.06.14 06:49:00 -
[1836]
Supported. |
Ki'Toban
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Posted - 2010.06.14 08:28:00 -
[1837]
Supported
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Silicon Buddha
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.14 09:39:00 -
[1838]
Excellence in all we do is one of the core values of the company that I work for. This is something that needs to be pervasive, focused on and rewarded by CCP to it's employees. _________________________________________________________ Click here for Fly Reckless Podcast
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Slalkfa
Helix Biotechnologies
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Posted - 2010.06.14 10:48:00 -
[1839]
Supported entirely. New features aren't so nice when you know they'll never reach a state in which they actually become interesting. Because that's what happened to FW, and that's what'll happen to PI anyway if things keep going this way.
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Byron D
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.14 11:05:00 -
[1840]
Signed
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Fak Jaelt
Cabal Armaments
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Posted - 2010.06.14 13:25:00 -
[1841]
Supported 120%
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Alvin Exe
Decapsuleers Unlimited Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.06.14 13:39:00 -
[1842]
/agreed
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Nozomi nrvqsr
The Rough Riders
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Posted - 2010.06.14 13:49:00 -
[1843]
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Selty
Section XIII Cursed Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.14 13:55:00 -
[1844]
Supported. |
S'Rau
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Posted - 2010.06.14 14:43:00 -
[1845]
Yeah. Fix old content, even if it is boring to dwell into old code, at the expense of developing new unfinished content. Then, release polished content at the expense of reworking (messing with ?) fully functional old content.
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Zzabur
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Posted - 2010.06.14 15:23:00 -
[1846]
Edited by: Zzabur on 14/06/2010 15:22:55 Agreed
We need objectives and rewards in FW, it doesn't change anything to be in a contested system or not.
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Keegan Teutorix
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Posted - 2010.06.14 16:47:00 -
[1847]
absolutely
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Kami Torako
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Posted - 2010.06.14 17:10:00 -
[1848]
OBJECTION!
... no, wait, I mean SUPPORTED!
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Reborn Lord
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Posted - 2010.06.14 22:20:00 -
[1849]
Supported Win or Die Trying. |
Cobra Feng
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Posted - 2010.06.15 05:11:00 -
[1850]
Edited by: Cobra Feng on 15/06/2010 05:11:35 Supported
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Kahega Amielden
Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 07:26:00 -
[1851]
Supporting this. CCP constantly talks about all this awesome stuff that they'd like to see done to expand and balance existing content, but it never happens because they're too busy working on fancy new stuff.
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Retrovisor
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Posted - 2010.06.15 08:53:00 -
[1852]
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Citelis
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Posted - 2010.06.15 08:54:00 -
[1853]
support
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Tovarnik
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.15 08:55:00 -
[1854]
Support
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rosales cz
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Posted - 2010.06.15 08:56:00 -
[1855]
Edited by: rosales cz on 15/06/2010 08:56:56 support
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Nymphee
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Posted - 2010.06.15 08:59:00 -
[1856]
support
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Elenoe
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Posted - 2010.06.15 08:59:00 -
[1857]
supported
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Scapogo
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.15 09:13:00 -
[1858]
Edited by: Scapogo on 15/06/2010 09:14:51 +1
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Ifinity
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.15 09:55:00 -
[1859]
my support is here
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Martc
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.15 10:46:00 -
[1860]
support
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Zaphiris
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Posted - 2010.06.15 18:04:00 -
[1861]
Agree'd.
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Audrea
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.15 19:59:00 -
[1862]
YESS please! less shiny, more complete bug-free features!
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Kara Gillquria
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Posted - 2010.06.15 20:00:00 -
[1863]
aye +1 vote
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Vhelnik Cojoin
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Posted - 2010.06.15 22:08:00 -
[1864]
Edited by: Vhelnik Cojoin on 15/06/2010 22:13:00 +2, one from each of my accounts.
The real issue here is whether the leadership at CCP have personalities strong enough to admit their mistake. When it comes to new players, then delivering a content patch every 6 months as a mindless principle is pointless beyond the PR factor at this point. Having played actively for a bit more than a year, I personally am still years away from even trying all the content there currently is. Not to mention actually having the SP for it.
Having missed the launch of Dominion due to RL issues I am still uncertain what new features were introduced. Haven't so far come across any major changes, and I don't mind. Still have plenty to do.
Tyrannis? Oh yeah, new graphics for the planet surfaces. Nice work. (There was more?)
Looking forward to:
EvE Online - BugStomp EvE Online - ZeroLag EvE Online - ZippyUI EvE Online - HotKeys
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Takashi Halamoto
No Limit Productions Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 22:20:00 -
[1865]
Originally by: Vhelnik Cojoin
Having missed the launch of Dominion due to RL issues I am still uncertain what new features were introduced. Haven't so far come across any major changes, and I don't mind. Still have plenty to do.
Tyrannis? Oh yeah, new graphics for the planet surfaces. Nice work. (There was more?)
Looking forward to:
EvE Online - BugStomp EvE Online - ZeroLag EvE Online - ZippyUI EvE Online - HotKeys
Dominion was pretty much a toy for us nullsec'ers to play with, while id love to see some of your proposed updates Zerolag is a technical impossibility due to the perversity of people, taking Jita the Ur-example, jita can handle 500, 600 want to go there lag, it is upgraded to take 700 (thinking ahead to add redundancy) because its now awesome 1000 turn up, devs headdesk round about there,
that said post dominion and now post tyrannis us nullsec'ers are noticing increasing lag and inability of the server to handle small fleets moving,
the most egregious example i can think of was a gang of about 30 of us planning a long roam, heading over two regions from our home, in the region next door, in almost empty systems, in a quiet region with nothing in that region or nearish using a jb we were creating the kind of lag and jump delays i used to attribute to a 150man fleet moving around Me? im just sitting here,
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Original Sin.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 07:09:00 -
[1866]
Originally by: Vhelnik Cojoin Edited by: Vhelnik Cojoin on 15/06/2010 22:13:00 +2, one from each of my accounts.
The real issue here is whether the leadership at CCP have personalities strong enough to admit their mistake. When it comes to new players, then delivering a content patch every 6 months as a mindless principle is pointless beyond the PR factor at this point. Having played actively for a bit more than a year, I personally am still years away from even trying all the content there currently is. Not to mention actually having the SP for it.
Having missed the launch of Dominion due to RL issues I am still uncertain what new features were introduced. Haven't so far come across any major changes, and I don't mind. Still have plenty to do.
Tyrannis? Oh yeah, new graphics for the planet surfaces. Nice work. (There was more?)
Looking forward to:
EvE Online - BugStomp EvE Online - ZeroLag EvE Online - ZippyUI EvE Online - HotKeys
This is a really important point. I have never done drug production. I've never done industry. I've only done a little wormholing. The game has, at the moment, more content than it needs. What it needs is some dedicated balancing and bugfixing.
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Mannar Izod
Gallente Sunshine Krew
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Posted - 2010.06.16 08:12:00 -
[1867]
Aye +1 |
Brutus John
Zombie Assault Squad Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:39:00 -
[1868]
Yes, Please
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Tharill daSai
Humanum Erectum
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:41:00 -
[1869]
Less in expansions, until what has been released is fixed, and after that make the Intel Tick Tock approach to enhancing the game, that is: Tick: Release new content
Tock: Make sure the new content is excellent or is rounded out with what was missing in the tick
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Minkert
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:24:00 -
[1870]
√√
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Bilbo Baggin
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.17 03:58:00 -
[1871]
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BFish
Bushwhackers Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.06.17 04:51:00 -
[1872]
Well this is a no-brainer -----------------
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Jevrej Czech
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:59:00 -
[1873]
/supported agree
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Sylv1a
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:09:00 -
[1874]
Agreed.
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Dej Asekur
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:18:00 -
[1875]
I think this is possibly the most unanimous thread that exists on the eve-o forums. Supported. |
Mehta Mezhan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:24:00 -
[1876]
Edited by: Mehta Mezhan on 17/06/2010 13:37:32 Supported.
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Koltes
|
Posted - 2010.06.17 13:37:00 -
[1877]
+1
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Suveitar
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:09:00 -
[1878]
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:32:00 -
[1879]
===============
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
|
Posted - 2010.06.17 17:56:00 -
[1880]
This needs serious attention, PI is the new prime example that many things just cannot be developed in 6 months flat, and history shows that once a feature is released we tend to be "stuck" with it. With PI mechanics being what they are and apparently 3 whole dev teams dedicated to it's implementation in the last cycle, I do not have high hopes that a single dev team for the next cycle will be able to put a sufficient amount of "game" into it.
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Tei Satsu
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:41:00 -
[1881]
This really shouldn't need to be said
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PreZiDenT1
The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:46:00 -
[1882]
yes. please.
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Patrice Macmahon
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2010.06.18 00:06:00 -
[1883]
Allright, lets face it, Eve is well over half a decade old and is still going toe to toe with current generation MMO's.
Star Treck Online in and of itself has many similar features that Eve-Online is trying to catch up to (planetary exploration, walk on stations and ships, pets, etc). The difference between us and them is content. We have a much stronger history and player base than the newer MMO's. But CCP DOES need to compete with the newer games that are being released.
Eve Online was so successfull that it has become the MODEL of spaceship MMO's out there. They follow us as a model and add new features. For the health and survivability of this game they are pushing features to match current generation games and racing to add new content that will superseed their competitors. As a result, a several existing features are being neglected.
I say we change this up a bit and ask CCP WHEN they will dedicate an entire expansion to game balance / issue fixes and ask for a fixed interval (such as once every year or year and a half) where that is the goal of such a development cycle. Lets face it, Eve needs to be able to commercially compete with whats out there inorder to be able to keep this game world alive and healthy.
As players lets keep that in mind before we chomp at the bit and scream bloody murder.
Though sensor dampeners and blasters do need some serious love....
The Intakis have an obligation to defend the Federation, but not to assult others on its behalf. |
SuicidalPancake
Quantum Horizons Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 04:04:00 -
[1884]
Zap those bugs first please
Also, I don't mind waiting a bit longer for better stuff
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Kalan Ikuru
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:43:00 -
[1885]
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Hrothgar Irrak
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Posted - 2010.06.18 08:13:00 -
[1886]
Yes. A thousand times, yes.
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Teteni Renoruki
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Posted - 2010.06.18 08:14:00 -
[1887]
Absolutely.
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HaartSp
The Deliberate Forces
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Posted - 2010.06.18 08:34:00 -
[1888]
Support
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RamasaIII
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Posted - 2010.06.18 10:00:00 -
[1889]
! |
Derelicht
|
Posted - 2010.06.18 11:03:00 -
[1890]
Originally by: Tei Satsu This really shouldn't need to be said
But but but why scratch our heads fixing stuff when it's easier to add more broken stuffs.
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Yeay Fritg
Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:25:00 -
[1891]
+1
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.18 13:16:00 -
[1892]
Almost 1600 supports CCP. Thats about as many people as there actually are that open this forum. _______________________ We come for our people! |
Daan Sai
OHiTech
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:55:00 -
[1893]
--------------------------------- Internet Submarines is Serious Business ---------------------------------
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Tommy Gunn
All Star Shipyards The Castle Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:09:00 -
[1894]
+1
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Jakkul
Hellhounds. HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:10:00 -
[1895]
Agree
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Malish Uss
|
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:12:00 -
[1896]
+1 |
Zxytia
|
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:13:00 -
[1897]
+1 |
Cristal Ice
All Star Shipyards The Castle Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:14:00 -
[1898]
+1 |
daemix tetch
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:01:00 -
[1899]
I see no problem with having new content based upon the improvement and expansion of existing features. Improve PI and Faction Warfare, fix fleet lag, a new UI - that would be an expansion I could get behind! Supported. |
Xia Lunaris
Athena's Wrath
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:26:00 -
[1900]
/Support
I have to agree with almost everything said here...I love Eve, but if CCP continues in this direction, I'll go find something else to spend my money on. Buggy expansions that are never completed don't cut it for me. I really could care less about Dust or PI. Instead of making up a whole new game, how about fixing the one you have first? It would also be nice if I didn't have to buy a new graphics card for each new release as well. The next release of Eve will determine whether or not myself and at least 5 of my friends decide to continue playing. Lets push for excellence instead of more mediocre features.
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Dominik Miethling
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:35:00 -
[1901]
1 Char a day :S
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Madner Kami
Gallente Durendal Ascending Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2010.06.18 21:04:00 -
[1902]
Originally by: foksieloy Almost 1600 supports CCP. Thats about as many people as there actually are that open this forum.
Even more if not all posters support it, since some people simply missed to set the chechbox for support. It's quite a sign, I think, that there's next to no trolling or off-topic stuffs in here. I hope CCP takes it to heart.
Not checking support again, because I already did ;)
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Arboreal Feline
Nondegradable Tritanium Space Rodents
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Posted - 2010.06.19 05:49:00 -
[1903]
/supported
***************************** Sometimes I forget how dumb people are. Thank you for reminding me, OP. |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.06.19 06:52:00 -
[1904]
[ 17:39:55 ] Mynxee > Fix Factional Warfare: 2 ayes, 5 nays [ 17:39:57 ] Mynxee > moving on
Gotta be ****ing kidding me.
One of the biggest hyped expansions of Eve history which was dumped imediately after release and has seen close to zero fixes for known issues.
It doesn't deserve any attention?
Great another CSM with their head fair up their ass.
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Nardman
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Posted - 2010.06.19 07:36:00 -
[1905]
+1
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Proksia
Electrostatik
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:26:00 -
[1906]
+1
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Ben Fenix
Caldari Empire Luminance Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:50:00 -
[1907]
Yes, supported. We don't need new features for now, we need the existing features being done excellent. __________________________________ Space is massive. Humanity is not. |
Umorrian
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:20:00 -
[1908]
+1 |
Avar Davola
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:33:00 -
[1909]
+1
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Mihali
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Posted - 2010.06.19 12:04:00 -
[1910]
Supported. Definitely think we need more quality over quantity instead of the other way around. I wouldn't mind if they pushed back releases to fix past issues and add features that were promised and players want.
Stop messing with my slack, pinko. Praise Bob! |
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Lee009
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.19 12:47:00 -
[1911]
You have my support.
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Viceroy Yamori
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Posted - 2010.06.19 12:49:00 -
[1912]
+1
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:05:00 -
[1913]
Oh please yes. Stop the rushing, fix a couple of bugs, and we are happy. Happy customers = more money. More money = you are happy.
Seems like win-win to me, SO MAKE IT HAPPEN
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Allianc
Novatech Armada Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:15:00 -
[1914]
+1 i dont think any real eve player will say no to this
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Jon Arabin
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Posted - 2010.06.19 14:42:00 -
[1915]
Absolutely, have one expansion a year and then fix stuff in it...
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Maxwell Muhilo
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:34:00 -
[1916]
+1
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Darkmason
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:43:00 -
[1917]
+1
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.19 18:23:00 -
[1918]
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Im Blue
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Posted - 2010.06.19 22:11:00 -
[1919]
+6 i need to cut back on accounts tbh
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Dendiir
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:28:00 -
[1920]
+1
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Valentin D'anclaude
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:32:00 -
[1921]
+1
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Nikki Plexx
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:33:00 -
[1922]
+1
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Harisiese
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:34:00 -
[1923]
+1
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Snarkul
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:34:00 -
[1924]
+1
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XxRagnaxX
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:35:00 -
[1925]
+1
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Philana Moon
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:35:00 -
[1926]
+1
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Ariana Whitestar
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:36:00 -
[1927]
Agree
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Ceiruss
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:37:00 -
[1928]
That would be very nice.
Agree
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Red Rose
Thundercats
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:06:00 -
[1929]
less content better gameplay
pls ccp make it happen
+1
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Kira Jung
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:24:00 -
[1930]
+1
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Annalynn
saber rider and the star sheriffs
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:25:00 -
[1931]
this needs more attention.
+1
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ReacT1337
Core of Elements United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:29:00 -
[1932]
+1
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Razgar Patnovich
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:31:00 -
[1933]
I fully support this, but I don't think CCP is listening.
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:45:00 -
[1934]
Didnt you know that CCP now supports most of the Icelandic economy so i guess they have no money for more Devs
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KAT3
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:21:00 -
[1935]
+1
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Doktor Icks
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:37:00 -
[1936]
I don't need any new features and expansions like "Incarna" unless the existing content doesn't work without bugs and as promised. And I know many many players thinking like me.
+1
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pedros
Gaia Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:54:00 -
[1937]
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:04:00 -
[1938]
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith [ 17:39:55 ] Mynxee > Fix Factional Warfare: 2 ayes, 5 nays [ 17:39:57 ] Mynxee > moving on
Gotta be ****ing kidding me.
One of the biggest hyped expansions of Eve history which was dumped imediately after release and has seen close to zero fixes for known issues.
It doesn't deserve any attention?
Great another CSM with their head fair up their ass.
So apparently those CSM members only care about their own little part of eve and want to screw everyone else. (Bit of nonshocker there).
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sinsation
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:30:00 -
[1939]
+1
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Scarlett2004
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:33:00 -
[1940]
i support this product
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Cerlestes
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:44:00 -
[1941]
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Alex Ph
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:47:00 -
[1942]
+1
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Marmios
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:49:00 -
[1943]
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Bl00dyAngel
The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:02:00 -
[1944]
Signed
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pecuniatielle
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:10:00 -
[1945]
+1
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Fabien Akazuki
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:15:00 -
[1946]
+1
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Princess Katsumi
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:27:00 -
[1947]
+1
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schniefer
Good Company
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:12:00 -
[1948]
supported
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Isis Phoibe
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:38:00 -
[1949]
+1
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Mara Ves
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.20 20:46:00 -
[1950]
+1
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van Horne
Hard Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 21:34:00 -
[1951]
+1
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CT Dummy
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Posted - 2010.06.20 21:56:00 -
[1952]
+1
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Theel Maas
Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.21 04:49:00 -
[1953]
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Myrinor
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Posted - 2010.06.21 06:46:00 -
[1954]
+1
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Shyra Storm
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.21 08:53:00 -
[1955]
+1
http://www.eve-galko.de
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Ravinus Brown
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.06.21 09:11:00 -
[1956]
+1
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Regreus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.21 09:15:00 -
[1957]
+1
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Kura Nigato
Gallente PLAYBOYS United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 10:46:00 -
[1958]
+1
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Iralast
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Posted - 2010.06.21 11:03:00 -
[1959]
I support this.
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Siphaanu
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Posted - 2010.06.21 11:27:00 -
[1960]
Supported. In fact, I would much rather see one expansion dedicated entirely to fixing old content than to introducing new. |
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:23:00 -
[1961]
Originally by: Patrice Macmahon Allright, lets face it, Eve is well over half a decade old and is still going toe to toe with current generation MMO's.
Star Treck Online in and of itself has many similar features that Eve-Online is trying to catch up to (planetary exploration, walk on stations and ships, pets, etc). The difference between us and them is content. We have a much stronger history and player base than the newer MMO's. But CCP DOES need to compete with the newer games that are being released.
Eve Online was so successfull that it has become the MODEL of spaceship MMO's out there. They follow us as a model and add new features. For the health and survivability of this game they are pushing features to match current generation games and racing to add new content that will superseed their competitors. As a result, a several existing features are being neglected.
I say we change this up a bit and ask CCP WHEN they will dedicate an entire expansion to game balance / issue fixes and ask for a fixed interval (such as once every year or year and a half) where that is the goal of such a development cycle. Lets face it, Eve needs to be able to commercially compete with whats out there inorder to be able to keep this game world alive and healthy.
As players lets keep that in mind before we chomp at the bit and scream bloody murder.
Though sensor dampeners and blasters do need some serious love....
Firstly, didn't star trek online epic fail\still born birth?
and wasn't that just because it was wow in space with less content?
ok, it's a space mmo but it's a carnival ride style mmo from what I read which is why they have to have so much content, once you've been round all the rides it gets boring and you leave.
Eve is different because it's a sandbox, that's what we need to focus on, we don't need new features and new content, we need fix's for current flaws as the content is created, mostly, by the players.
Those that are crying that the mission running is boring, well done, it is and you know what? More missions, walking in stations, etc won't solve that.
Personally, I don't like pi, it's dull and only surves to remove npc seeded items by seeding new npc items but as a concept it stands. Giving the userbase tools to play with rather than rides to go on.
The only problem is alot of the current tools are somewhat faulty. --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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MrYiff
The Industrial Consortium G a l a c t i c Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:35:00 -
[1962]
+1 Fixing current things is always a good idea, id be quite happy if CCP kept the 2 releases per year schedule but committed to having at least one of those releases dedicated to improving/fixing/reworking existing content rather than adding new stuff.
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Johny Snow
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:37:00 -
[1963]
Edited by: Johny Snow on 21/06/2010 14:43:03 Supported. As a relatively new player, it's more noticeable for me not in the big stuff like faction warfare, but also in the user interface. There are lots of tiny things that could be fixed very quickly and easily to make the game easier to understand and faster to use (for example, letting skills that have prerequisites be placed in the queue after the prerequisite). Many new players coming into the game are overwhelmed by the complex interface. While a complex interface is needed for a complex game, much of the interface seems simply over-complicated, and abounds with cryptic icons, tiny text, and unintuitive behavior (the overview settings are a prime example of what's wrong with EVE's UI in my opinion). A dedicated UI team could fix many of these issues rather quickly. |
Ender Wiggan
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.21 16:52:00 -
[1964]
The UI has been a sticking point with me for the 3 years I've been playing this game. I've never understood why the developers won't just socket the information (my made up term for providing naked information to the client) and let the talented modders in our community develop beautiful UI's for them. (A la WoW). Why can't I hide all that ****ty solar system text in top left when I'm fighting? and then spring it up, associated with the map when I want to move again? Why can't I modify the overview completely, why does it have to be a list, why can't it be tags associated with ships in space, so all the huginns on the battlefield have a nice little huginn label next to them, or whatever.
Let the community do the work, it'd save you money and you'd probably get a nicer product in the end. Come on CCP.
CCP controls UI balance issues by controlling what information is provided to the client. To be honest it probably requires an engine rewrite of some sort, but it's probably about time that **** happened anyway.
Tl,dr: CCP the UI is, and has always been, garbage. Fix please.
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Javis Wral
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Posted - 2010.06.21 17:49:00 -
[1965]
realy want to see ccp develop faction warfare
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Mansku
Rosvosektori
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Posted - 2010.06.21 19:16:00 -
[1966]
+1 |
Eraseri
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Posted - 2010.06.21 19:19:00 -
[1967]
Supported.
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Memorya
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Posted - 2010.06.21 21:24:00 -
[1968]
Totaly and fully support this topic. This is life of EVE we are talking about here. ------------------------ "English is a funny language; that explains why we park our car on the driveway and drive our car on the parkway."
English is my 5th. Language.
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John Godsmack
StarCom Battle Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.21 21:44:00 -
[1969]
+1
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Soapy5
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.21 21:47:00 -
[1970]
i've been playing eve for almost a year now, and tbh, it feels like I am playing an awesome *beta* for some upcoming game. There are so many FUNDAMENTAL issues in eve it's not even funny (where do i start? ui, sound, drone ui, map ui, overheating ui, contract ui, sound, right click menus, ui, excessive click fests, etc etc... oh and i almost forgot: the ui could use a teeeny tiny bit of improvement...).
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Phillipe d'Rothschild
Discrete Solutions Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 01:25:00 -
[1971]
This would be very nice to see. ++ for CSM participants bringing this idea forward to the attention of CCP.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.22 02:41:00 -
[1972]
Supported, but not for any lengthened expansion schedule. To hell with expansion "schedules" entirely. New features should be decided on and they should be released when they're ready, period. If it takes two years to institute a cool change, then it takes two years. Like Blizzard always says, it'll be ready when it's ready.
And in the meantime, fix what Dominion broke. |
Magnus Saluton
Lords of Entropy
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Posted - 2010.06.22 05:24:00 -
[1973]
Agree
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Keldoran Narodlek
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Posted - 2010.06.22 05:25:00 -
[1974]
+1
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Dan206
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:02:00 -
[1975]
+1
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:32:00 -
[1976]
Already supported, but the more I think about this the more important it seems.
This needs to be something that really does start to change the culture of the whole of CCP. Months after they broke the pirate epic arcs the GMs are implying that it might be worth people hanging around these systems when there is no evidence CCP are even trying to fix these.
It is also even more ridiculous considering they spawn heavily demanded items that were being balanced by the greater supply the pirate arcs created.
Obviously we can forget ever seeing any more pirate arcs as well despite promises they would be out soon.
When people in CCP promise to do something they should be held accountable whenever they do not, since currently any player over 6 months knows nothing CCP say can be trusted which completely destroys CCP's ability to communicate meaningfully with their players.
The crazy thing is most people showing their support in this thread care deeply about the game, but are made to feel that their loyalty is going to be abused rather than rewarded. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:39:00 -
[1977]
Supported.
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Sir Rush
Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:18:00 -
[1978]
Edited by: Sir Rush on 22/06/2010 12:18:21 Hell, even a release schedule of once a year would be enough if it means much higher quality with more features, and more post-launch support.
Originally by: Siphaanu Supported. In fact, I would much rather see one expansion dedicated entirely to fixing old content than to introducing new.
Also, THIS A HUNDRED TIMES.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:40:00 -
[1979]
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:47:00 -
[1980]
Originally by: Siphaanu Supported. In fact, I would much rather see one expansion dedicated entirely to fixing old content than to introducing new.
Don't be a fool into thinking this will ever happen. That is not an expansion. Also if there is no new content, then there is no new subscripers (those who have never played EVE before).
My question is this:
Is it too much to ask for both? That is content and fixes.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:30:00 -
[1981]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Siphaanu Supported. In fact, I would much rather see one expansion dedicated entirely to fixing old content than to introducing new.
Don't be a fool into thinking this will ever happen. That is not an expansion. Also if there is no new content, then there is no new subscripers (those who have never played EVE before).
My question is this:
Is it too much to ask for both? That is content and fixes.
I put it to you that the number of players who have left after giving up hope of the various key issues being fixed is pretty large compared to the number of new players who can be enticed to try the game by the next NEW AND SHINY expansion. And also that they're more valuable customers as well, since they're more likely to stay.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:48:00 -
[1982]
I approve this thread.
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Riithi Bashere
Eve University
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:03:00 -
[1983]
I totally support this motion, EVE has enough features to keep us occupied.
Some features have bugs or missing components while others suffer from terrible UI's. Many things are there but are very rudimentary, so hoping some excellence can shine there.
100% Supported.
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Riithi Bashere
Eve University
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:12:00 -
[1984]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Siphaanu Supported. In fact, I would much rather see one expansion dedicated entirely to fixing old content than to introducing new.
Don't be a fool into thinking this will ever happen. That is not an expansion. Also if there is no new content, then there is no new subscripers (those who have never played EVE before).
My question is this:
Is it too much to ask for both? That is content and fixes.
A redesign of an old mechanic to something new and shiny and engaging would be totally marketable. Say for example mining or missioning, for me both systems are boring and old-fashioned, if they'd just totally redesigned those with co-op in mind that would be really easily marketed, and it would be new content and a fix in one :)
In general I support this drive for excellence especially when it comes to the UI, which was for me personally the biggest thing to overcome to play eve. I tried this game before like years ago and ran away screaming because of the UI.
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:31:00 -
[1985]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Siphaanu Supported. In fact, I would much rather see one expansion dedicated entirely to fixing old content than to introducing new.
Don't be a fool into thinking this will ever happen. That is not an expansion. Also if there is no new content, then there is no new subscripers (those who have never played EVE before).
I don't know. If we got this:
New in this expansion:
1: Bounty hunting as a usable profession. On behalf of the vengeful and rich, track down the most dangerous prey in the far corners of space.
2: T3 frigates open up the field for all kinds of new tactics, as you create exactly the ship you need.
3: New epic arcs expand the possibilities in Blood Raider, Sansha or Serpentis space.
4: A fully revamped UI makes space combat as smooth as the click of a mouse.
5: Total PVE reworking. Face smart, dynamic NPC's and missions that adapt to your strengths and never give you the same challenge twice.
6: Epic fleet fights become more practical with fixes to lag.
None of those would attract new players? All of this is simply finishing existing content.
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Cypher Shaman
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:44:00 -
[1986]
I'd like to see less quality features then more half or unfinished features. On the one side it's cool that CCP is adding new content over and over, but on the other... if it's bugged or feels unfinished - what's the point?
Personally i really won't mind half less frequency of expansion releases, but twice more well-rounded expansion. Yes we can say that eve won't be growing up that fast, but isn't it good enough game already to not recklessly add half-features?
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Cyprus Black
4 wing Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:12:00 -
[1987]
___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter |
D Lysergic
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:12:00 -
[1988]
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Goon Waffe
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:31:00 -
[1989]
Edited by: Goon Waffe on 25/06/2010 08:32:29 Edited by: Goon Waffe on 25/06/2010 08:31:17 Oh a Bait,
VOTE for you Mister !!!!
If you read - >zhis< - most resolved ? Not more then 30% !!! mmh.
ATM there is nothing Excellence.
Do you have future plans for EVE CCP, It's not clear ;)
PS: Other Vendors not sleeping : Perpetuum-Online is starting ... myb not so nice Graphic, but it's not the only one.
Check my Site for Updates : http://www.eve-offline.de
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Femerov
Minmatar Brutor Gearheads and Grease Monkeys V3SPA Community
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:49:00 -
[1990]
yeah, if ccp could do just 1 expansion with fully fixing the old bugs from the old ones (FW etc) would be cool. *supports Deirdra's proposal*
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HybridMiner
Rudis Vox
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:56:00 -
[1991]
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:52:00 -
[1992]
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Neztruce
Calimae Logistics Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:35:00 -
[1993]
Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Siphaanu Supported. In fact, I would much rather see one expansion dedicated entirely to fixing old content than to introducing new.
Don't be a fool into thinking this will ever happen. That is not an expansion. Also if there is no new content, then there is no new subscripers (those who have never played EVE before).
I don't know. If we got this:
New in this expansion:
1: Bounty hunting as a usable profession. On behalf of the vengeful and rich, track down the most dangerous prey in the far corners of space.
2: T3 frigates open up the field for all kinds of new tactics, as you create exactly the ship you need.
3: New epic arcs expand the possibilities in Blood Raider, Sansha or Serpentis space.
4: A fully revamped UI makes space combat as smooth as the click of a mouse.
5: Total PVE reworking. Face smart, dynamic NPC's and missions that adapt to your strengths and never give you the same challenge twice.
6: Epic fleet fights become more practical with fixes to lag.
None of those would attract new players? All of this is simply finishing existing content.
Marketing works. Thread supported
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Astrial Stargazer
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:06:00 -
[1994]
Quality beats quantity all/most of the time. CCP has given us a good product, but what keeps it from being great? I enjoy this game even if it has a list of bugs miles/km's long. I just wonder how much better of a target I would be if the bugs were gone. Maybe even look at some archival ideas to see if they would be applicable (like removable hanger decks for non-drone carrying ships) to the "fun factor" of EVE.All we can do is bring forth the issue and hopefully some one acts on it. I support the proposal.
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Dzajic
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:24:00 -
[1995]
Edited by: Dzajic on 25/06/2010 22:26:50 Is there any reason why anyone shouldn't support this?
Edit.
Btw, "CCP must not allow a modable UI, it would allow macros and bots!" O RLY? It just might allow them... As if they are not already a significant portion of total account numbers, and their bots deal with fugly UI quite well.
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Fournone
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:34:00 -
[1996]
Edited by: Fournone on 25/06/2010 22:35:00 CCP, comit to exelence. No feature left behind. No more broken for unfinished features *cough*PI*cough*. CCP needs to devote the next expansion to going back and fixing thier mistakes. EVE Millenium anyone? (soudns like a good name to me)
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Dacil Arandur
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Posted - 2010.06.25 23:24:00 -
[1997]
Interestingly, I randomly came across this blog post today on twitter and it hit on almost everything in DV's proposal. I found it to be a very interesting perspective from a new player.
Why I Quite EVE Online After My First Hour
Some quotes: "I immediately noticed how tiny the text was. Leaning in and squinting a little, I continued through the character creation process. I admit I didnÆt read any of the text explaining the different races, as it was a strain on my eyes."
"I was a bit overwhelmed by the amount of menus and submenus to navigate just to perform simple tasks. An array of buttons sit on the left side of the screen, each button opens a series of menus, tabbed windows, and lists. Each window imitates Microsoft Windows with the little ôXö and minimize functions. I felt more like I was navigating an operating system with an animated wallpaper than I was playing a game."
"I searched for gameplay footage, battles, missions, anything I could watch that would change my mind. The only thing I saw, was more of the same. Opening and closing windows, selecting items from menus, and switching tabs and viewing lists in text that was so small that it was unreadable on most videos."
Something that's been a personal annoyance of mine: "My ship left the space station and flew directly through it on itÆs way out. It flew through the space station, not around it. I couldnÆt believe the last redeeming quality of this game, being the graphics, was taken away from me."
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FU22
Beyond Transcendence
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:26:00 -
[1998]
Originally by: Millie Clode Dear santa, for christmas I would like an endless supply of noobs to march across my screen so I can pretend I'm playing duck hunt
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.27 19:36:00 -
[1999]
Bumping this because it shouldnt be falling off the front page
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Lifelongnoob
The Motley Crew Reborn Blood Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.28 00:19:00 -
[2000]
Edited by: Lifelongnoob on 28/06/2010 00:20:46 agreed
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Winters Chill
Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.28 01:04:00 -
[2001]
Yes OH GOD YES!!!
*applause*
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SlayerOfArgus
Hermes Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.06.28 02:40:00 -
[2002]
Please CCP fix all the current content that has been left out in the cold. Bounty hunting, FW, mining, PVE and a dozen of other different things can be changed
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Region watcher1
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Posted - 2010.06.28 02:46:00 -
[2003]
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Domonique Molvoy
Exploitation Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.28 03:07:00 -
[2004]
/signed Domonique Molvoy Shiptoasting extraordinaire |
alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.06.28 03:41:00 -
[2005]
+1, FIX stuff, we don't need a new expansion every 6months. Quality over quantity.
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halonicholas
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Posted - 2010.06.28 03:42:00 -
[2006]
great idea +1
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Phony v2
The Praxis Initiative Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.28 04:49:00 -
[2007]
supported ______________________________________________ Yes? You, the idiot in the back, with the dumb question. |
Bastion Leyrin
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.28 04:51:00 -
[2008]
agreed
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.06.28 06:40:00 -
[2009]
Count my vote twice - Chicago style!
We probably aren't gonna get full Incarna next time and other than new avs I doubt there is anything -major- planned save for a few ship redesigns maybe so it seems like... I dunno maybe there's an awful lot of time left over.
Multi-select for planet extractors plx!
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.06.28 06:45:00 -
[2010]
This.
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Bosquit
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Posted - 2010.06.28 08:36:00 -
[2011]
Need this desperately, drone control needs drastic changes(too many right clicks). Ships could also use updated looks. If they just released smaller updates gradually through the year and maybe one big update a year that would be awesome.
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KN111
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:09:00 -
[2012]
Supported
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Kuuijn
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:49:00 -
[2013]
Supported.
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Launa Starrseed
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Posted - 2010.06.28 14:58:00 -
[2014]
Supportin this. It's time for CCP to think about their rushed development cycle and what it's turning this game into.
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Traianvs Avgvstvs
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Posted - 2010.06.28 16:11:00 -
[2015]
Supported.
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Matt Icy
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Posted - 2010.06.28 19:37:00 -
[2016]
Supported.
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Jurai Talar
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Posted - 2010.06.28 20:40:00 -
[2017]
Supported
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:34:00 -
[2018]
yes please,
it should be possible to develop new features without neglecting other incomplete features
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:54:00 -
[2019]
Supported. .
[Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels] |
Lilith Agora
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:58:00 -
[2020]
Haha this is sad like CCP will listen to us. I also Support this. /signed
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Elgaris Dukor
Femti Runa Eru ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.28 22:20:00 -
[2021]
I'm slowly loosing hope that CCP still listens to its players. Yust to emphasis my support to this thread i today canceled my accounts until i see some reaction by CCP.
Elgaris
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:12:00 -
[2022]
i support this idea fully but it doesnt seem to be ccps business model as they seek rushed but new and marketable aspects - dust will probably end up the same also
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Liandra Xi
Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:24:00 -
[2023]
supported with all my heart, its time to clear the backlog ccp!
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Galvehl
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:11:00 -
[2024]
I support this. More art to come here: www.laxpudding.blogspot.com |
DigiFusion
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:48:00 -
[2025]
Bit late now guys, CCP totally ignored it at the CSM, usual lip service response.
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Xia Winters
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:04:00 -
[2026]
Supporting as CCP need to commit to finishing what they start, rather than losing interest whenever tasks start to get difficult, projects lose momentum or they simply find something new that's more interesting to do. |
Safran Foer
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:47:00 -
[2027]
Originally by: DigiFusion Bit late now guys, CCP totally ignored it at the CSM, usual lip service response.
Source please...
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Vasikh
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:39:00 -
[2028]
Supported. Deus Vult!
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Kenelm Winslow
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:34:00 -
[2029]
Supported! Hope this has an impact.
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Tweakalvos
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:40:00 -
[2030]
I support this 100%. As and eve player of almost 3 years now. And still playing despite my gripes of actual content that fixes current game mechanics. And PI to be honest was not really necessary. I seemed like a joke feature put out to curb prices. The game needs some work on core things. Dominion is a very good example of this. Of half hearted features. And not fixing lag and things. If they want the player base to pay for there game fix the ghost jumping lag. FFS 2mins to jump into a system that does not have people in it. Work on the game and slow down on features.
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Sjarana
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Posted - 2010.06.29 18:35:00 -
[2031]
+1
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Lily Hollyfield
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:15:00 -
[2032]
I support this. |
Gaeid Modiso
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:24:00 -
[2033]
oh god please yes, stop with the new shinies and fix the existing broken/half baked features.
=============================== Wit has truth in it; wisecracking is simply calisthenics with words. Dorothy Parker |
Kogosa Phi
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:30:00 -
[2034]
+1
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:53:00 -
[2035]
Supported.
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |
Srialia
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:50:00 -
[2036]
There are enough major problems, bugs, and promised yet unimplemented features in the backlog that CCP could spend one or two entire development cycles on them, release them as "The Backlog Expansions," and they would feel like full expansions.
At this point, there's no excuse for CCP not to stop the wouldn't-it-be-cool-if development, and get to work on improving the quality of the existing game.
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Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:00:00 -
[2037]
Supported. I'm reaching my last bit of patience with how much of a buggy piece of **** EVE has become the last year.
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Krintok
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:02:00 -
[2038]
ermph |
JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:19:00 -
[2039]
By the sounds of it this thread has failed to persuade CCP. The CSM minutes should be interesting.
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Kymlicka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:31:00 -
[2040]
Foserious.
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PBBDuality
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:00:00 -
[2041]
Supported.
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Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:35:00 -
[2042]
+1 Thumb |
Nikol Keselova
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:08:00 -
[2043]
Keep supporting this until it becomes the biggest thread in Assembly Hall, guys. Because we all know that the only thing CCP have ever listened to is threadnaughts.
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Mel Dareia
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:39:00 -
[2044]
Agreed.
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Shi Lang
United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:59:00 -
[2045]
+1 -----------------------------------------
Smert ili Slava! |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.30 01:55:00 -
[2046]
never
stop
don't
stop
supporting
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JohnHoe
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 05:42:00 -
[2047]
Originally by: DaiTengu never
stop
don't
stop
supporting
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Anais Javn
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Posted - 2010.06.30 06:21:00 -
[2048]
Obligatory post-"patch" support
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Shinah Myst
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Posted - 2010.06.30 08:05:00 -
[2049]
Edited by: Shinah Myst on 30/06/2010 08:06:42 +1
I am the devil and I am here to do the devil's work. |
Abulurd Boniface
0ccam's Razor Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.30 08:33:00 -
[2050]
This entire thread is way tl;dr.
However, has anyone considered [and they might have mentioned it in this thread, sorry if I missed it] that CCP spend one release cycle just fixing bugs and getting content "Excellent"? Take the long list of bugs and spend an insane amount of time and effort fixing tons of bugs [great for stability anyway], plus tweak all those lovely features until they really are ready for prime time.
One release cycle. Only bugs and tweaks.
In the mean time, the feature team can think long, leisurely and luxuriously about new features that will improve and enhance the EVE experience. Then, these features [preferably a chain following the direction EVE will take over the course of the years] will be rolled out, one by one, during the next expansions, to make EVE the unique standard of excellence that it should be [and very nearly is].
In the mean time, broken and unfortunate though New Eden is in some places, it really is an awesome place to be in.
I wholeheartedly support this discussion.
CCP: I'm not doing this to be difficult, I'm only helping to push you ever further on the ladder of excellence.
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
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Shandir
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.30 09:41:00 -
[2051]
So very much yes, slow the dev cycle to either 9 months, with 1/3 of that time dedicated to features needing fixing or finishing, or make each year have two types of expansion: The new stuff expansion and the old stuff made awesome expansion. Adding more depth to PI (and maybe removing some of the click-frenzy), for example, would keep in the players that the PI expansion might bring here.
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Kusanagi Kasuga
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Posted - 2010.06.30 09:42:00 -
[2052]
+1, great idea.
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Radgette
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Posted - 2010.06.30 11:12:00 -
[2053]
Originally by: DaiTengu never
stop
don't
stop
supporting
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Caneb
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:28:00 -
[2054]
Apocrypha was the "wormhole/T3" expansion Dominion was the "sov/supercap" expansion Tyrannis was the "industry" expansion
Let's make next expansion the "Fixit" expansion
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Khaed Duhn
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:30:00 -
[2055]
You would have to be crackers not to support this.
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Simulated User
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Posted - 2010.06.30 13:00:00 -
[2056]
Originally by: DaiTengu never
stop
don't
stop
supporting
+4 (multiple accounts)
If I have time later on, I'll review the Patch and Release Notes and tally up how many fixes are related to "new" content vs. "old" content, and repost with the results - unless someone's done this already (honestly didn't read the whole 69 pages of posts...)
Looking at the Tyrannis 1.0.2 patch notes quickly, I see some that would count as both (example: "Memory usage has been improved with missiles, maps, and PINÆs.") so I'll give CCP the benefit of the doubt and mark that as an "old" content fix, as it *hopefully* would have been fixed even without adding the new stuff.
This should definitely be discussed by CSM, and hopefully they make it their highest priority.
CCP, this is how you keep the crown!
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Lucien Morlock
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Posted - 2010.06.30 13:07:00 -
[2057]
Originally by: DaiTengu never
stop
don't
stop
supporting
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Aeron Sophus
Stripper Mine Co.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:22:00 -
[2058]
Yes please.
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Jonn Duune
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:26:00 -
[2059]
This is my first post on the eve boards. This is definitely something i'd prefer even over NEW content, someone suggested do a NEW and a review patch every year. That would make eve epic in my mind. |
Onyx Asablot
The Vicious Circle
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:37:00 -
[2060]
+1
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Aevum Decessus
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Posted - 2010.06.30 15:34:00 -
[2061]
this is a huge thing to be fixed
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Dharken Rhaal
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Posted - 2010.06.30 15:56:00 -
[2062]
Eve is probably the best idea of a game. I wish it was close to the best implementation. |
Tessy Dunkan
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:01:00 -
[2063]
! |
Sunny Blondt
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:02:00 -
[2064]
Agree by all points |
Aoko Aohara
Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:15:00 -
[2065]
+1.
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Invitus
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:24:00 -
[2066]
+1
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Roran Palancar
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:24:00 -
[2067]
+1 |
Sheky Fool
Everset Dropbears
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:34:00 -
[2068]
+1
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Phoehnix
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:54:00 -
[2069]
Edited by: Phoehnix on 30/06/2010 17:55:17 Yes
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Sky Burner
The Ninja Noobs
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:55:00 -
[2070]
Supported!
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tedivm
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.30 18:19:00 -
[2071]
This is an excellent idea I'd love to see supported. I'm sick of the half-baked features that get abandoned so easily. It's pathetic how many half-finished or subpar features are hanging around in the game.
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aJackus
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Posted - 2010.06.30 22:29:00 -
[2072]
+1
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Taedrin
Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2010.06.30 22:32:00 -
[2073]
Do I really need to say anything?
Supported for obvious reasons. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Pyrilius
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Posted - 2010.07.01 02:14:00 -
[2074]
+1
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Isolas
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Posted - 2010.07.01 03:49:00 -
[2075]
So many features need finishing... Treaties, POS management, Faction Warfare...
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Isla Hal
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Posted - 2010.07.01 03:50:00 -
[2076]
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Zaroth Freeks
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Posted - 2010.07.01 10:08:00 -
[2077]
As a new player, all I hear is how CCP never fixes things, just adds new unfinished features. If I am to continue my subscription I want to know that the game improves over time that things are fixed. A year from now I do not want to have to struggle with the same annoying things in the interface or other unfinished features.
Why should I waste my time and money in a game that does not improve? |
fmercury
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.01 11:37:00 -
[2078]
yep
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FIl Spacewolf
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:03:00 -
[2079]
+1
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Aralyn Cormallen
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:07:00 -
[2080]
Agreed Non Moritur Cuius Fama Vivat He Dies Not Whose Fame Survives |
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Rhok Relztem
CGMA Synergist Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:16:00 -
[2081]
+1
So many companies get caught up in this issue with promises of features that get released full of bugs and never really get fixed properly nor improved upon, or promises that never see the light of day due to schedules and deadlines to push shiny new things out the door as fast as possible. Eventually, the game is riddled with half-assed 'features' and gaping holes where features should have been. In EVE, little things like forgotten skill sets (bounty hunting comes to mind) all the way up to faction warfare and the other major issues are all beginning to pile up. CCP needs to take a step back from the shinies and spend a full term on getting back to excellence by continueing the developement of what is already in the game and what has been promised. After that is accomplished, stop pushing out half-baked features and spend whatever time and money is needed to release truly usable and functional new shinies while continueing to polish what is already there.
Fully supported.
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Rer Eirikr
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:35:00 -
[2082]
Developers like BioWare, Blizzard, and numerous others succeed and are widely loved by gamers because of their high-quality standards. I don't think anymore here means to imply that EVE a low-quality game, but there is always room for improvement (and in some cases, complete overhauls) of past-features.
With a game as large and complex as EVE, I think people don't necessarily need new things to do in comparison to being able to do a lot of old things in a more streamlined, fun, and efficient manner.
And judging from the past 69 pages of comments, I'd say I'm not alone in that thought-process.
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:25:00 -
[2083]
+1
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Garramon
First CityWide Change Bank
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:36:00 -
[2084]
There are dozens of half finished things at this point.
For example, trying to run an industrial corp without better roles is just silly.
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Jim Luc
Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.01 23:57:00 -
[2085]
Supported +infinity
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skippy skippora
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Posted - 2010.07.02 03:32:00 -
[2086]
Supported.
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Sue Lien
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Posted - 2010.07.02 11:39:00 -
[2087]
+1
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cuarentaydos
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Posted - 2010.07.02 12:09:00 -
[2088]
Supported.
Not because I see any indication that CCP will ever act upon it, but the least the playerbase can do is to remind them of their shortcomings every single chance we get.
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Skanthra
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Posted - 2010.07.02 14:59:00 -
[2089]
OMG yes
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Lost Troll
Moist and Nakked Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.02 15:35:00 -
[2090]
Dierdra Vaal, I have to agree with you on this.
What good is adding content if you can not play it because the base it is add too is unstable?
Most game companies do not realize the impact that this has on them until it is too late.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:00:00 -
[2091]
I completely agree. The excellence slogan has become a cruel joke, especially as CCP does the one thing many of us have defended them by claiming will never happen: allowed Incarna and Dust to take massive developer priority over eve's core experience.
We need you to live up to your motto ccp. ---------------------------------------------
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Knot Primary
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:01:00 -
[2092]
Completely agree.
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Wilhelm Rontgen
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:03:00 -
[2093]
Edited by: Wilhelm Rontgen on 02/07/2010 17:03:01 The push for more sisi lag testing is a good step, but we need developer time assigned to fixing and iterating features. Finish what you start CCP.
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Arno Penzias
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:04:00 -
[2094]
+1
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Mantis wraith
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Posted - 2010.07.02 20:52:00 -
[2095]
Whilst I loathe the comparison to that awful piece of legislation, I fully support this.
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Jana N'dori
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.07.02 21:23:00 -
[2096]
What better way to spend a free activation than to support this proposal. I dont think there is anything that shows more how great a game EVE is then the community around it. Even after people have stopped playing because of the lack of development. If CCP commits to Dierdras proposal im certain Eve will become the first real MMORPG ever made. |
Tamasan
BLACK LABEL INC Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2010.07.03 00:53:00 -
[2097]
This. |
vixeyy
Imperial Trade Federation Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.07.03 05:43:00 -
[2098]
I pay to play eve and with how much you guys are messing up any more its making the game almost not fun or worth the effort to play. I dont care if you have to delay a major release/patch a couple weaks or months because you have to fix the bugs, id rather it come out and add more bugless features rather then bugging old and new features.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 10:47:00 -
[2099]
+1
Seventy pages are not enough. ---
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Xarhariel
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Posted - 2010.07.03 10:58:00 -
[2100]
+1 I kinda think that if they've got to have an update every 6 months, then perhaps one should be an expansion with shiny things, and the next one should be committed to fixing/polishing the previous expansions, as it were an 'Excellence Update' (I died a little for writing that last bit)
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iLLeLogicaL
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Posted - 2010.07.03 12:45:00 -
[2101]
Yes please
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ld'kreps
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Posted - 2010.07.03 18:49:00 -
[2102]
+1
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Mumboz
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:54:00 -
[2103]
Originally by: Xarhariel +1 I kinda think that if they've got to have an update every 6 months, then perhaps one should be an expansion with shiny things, and the next one should be committed to fixing/polishing the previous expansions, as it were an 'Excellence Update' (I died a little for writing that last bit)
+1 I second that. |
LordInvisible
Nova Ardour League of Reprobates
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:29:00 -
[2104]
where were u in last two years.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end and that |
Grut
The Protei
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Posted - 2010.07.04 08:24:00 -
[2105]
Originally by: Mumboz +1 I kinda think that if they've got to have an update every 6 months, then perhaps one should be an expansion with shiny things, and the next one should be committed to fixing/polishing the previous expansions, as it were an 'Excellence Update' (I died a little for writing that last bit)
Big updates every year just results in more broken stuff... there should a monthly small patch to fix 1/2 things at a time, ie rockets one month, afs the next, then hybrids.
Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know...
Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought |
TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:04:00 -
[2106]
Your game is beginning to die ccp due to the crippling and horrific issues you have introduced but have failed to fix through incompetence.
Thanks to lag, space is now no longer conquerable, so you stagnated the entirety of eve. Thanks. Treaties dis-appeared, ui needs a massive overhaul for the love of god, theres graphics issues.
Sort yourself out.
_______________________ Fix rockets in '09 =( |
KraKen Shell
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:59:00 -
[2107]
Supported!
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HalogenWraith
Veteran Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:09:00 -
[2108]
Supported. Make EVE Excellent!
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Jonas Nysut
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:32:00 -
[2109]
I would like to support this endavour.
I have been playing eve for around 5 years now on various chars and have once again started a new fresh character.
Although it will take me a while to get back to where I was in game ie cap ships etc, seeing alot of unfinished, rushed content is going to end up breaking this game and our sandbox that we all love and enjoy.
I would like ccp to hire a new team of about 15-20 developers just to finish off and polish the old content or if it cannot be fixed ie learning skills, then make a new system altogether.
Although some of the "fixes" may not please everyone, I'm sure that many would be glad of the fact that the issues were fixed and/or implemented properly as intended when they were first developed.
Please also keep on top of the LAG situation and exploits and cheaters. I'm also sure that the community would like to see more action on macroers and other cheaters/exploiters as well and also some developer feedback about what you are doing to combat them and how the war against the macroers is going.
I would personally like to see CCP be more open and transparent with the eve community, everyone loves to read dev blogs :)
+1 for the op fully support this as a returning 5 year player to eve (only gone for 6 months and missed the spring patch )
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Dammo
Universal Exports Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:45:00 -
[2110]
+1 in support of this
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Prod Quiche
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:40:00 -
[2111]
+1
Also, a new Dominix model would be much appreciated.
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daves dream
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:43:00 -
[2112]
Fully Supported
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Giraffeg
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:53:00 -
[2113]
supported
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Garst Tyrell
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.07.05 18:07:00 -
[2114]
+1
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General Escobar
Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.05 18:14:00 -
[2115]
yep
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Honor Imperium
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Posted - 2010.07.05 19:26:00 -
[2116]
Edited by: Honor Imperium on 05/07/2010 19:41:49 Edited by: Honor Imperium on 05/07/2010 19:28:49 lol these days, CCP is the running joke of Eve in my group. Every single feature they introduce seems to be bug-addled and not only that, they tend to BREAK features which ALREADY work. I love Eve and I have for years, but I've come to hate the developer, to the point that sometimes I can barely bring myself to log in. There've been bugs in the game for years on end that get no attention while we get to hear about how "awesome" their new awful features are going to be, or about how dust123 or whatever the hell is gonna be despite the fact that it's not even gonna be on PC which I play Eve on. And then the hyped feature comes out and it's like planetary interaction which is still a gigantic pain in the ass, not streamlined even to a workable extent, I have to click a thousand times to start a cycle to create a mere handful of components. Why should I? I've played simcity. Even today, the only things I personally want out of it cost LESS on market than the individual components they require.
Last great free expansion, we got shot by our own POSes. The one before that, CCP botched their much-awaited sov system with a malfunctioning outpost ownership swap, and as a bonus, half the time I joined a fleet, I couldn't interact with fleet members. I can't even remember the fun bugs prior to that, but they've had the module lockup bug in game (where a repeating module will redlock as active when you double click it) for years, which is LOL for hictors.
Honestly, what is going on here? Does this company have zero QA or something?
F---ing supported.
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T0KER
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:47:00 -
[2117]
Supported
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rootimus maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:14:00 -
[2118]
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Ta Shiva
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:36:00 -
[2119]
Supporting this.
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M1caiah
Lyman Alpha Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:37:00 -
[2120]
+1
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Iree
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Posted - 2010.07.05 22:59:00 -
[2121]
Supported |
Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.05 23:01:00 -
[2122]
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AtlantisX
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Posted - 2010.07.05 23:36:00 -
[2123]
Doin' my part.
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Caldreean
Dawnwalkers
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:15:00 -
[2124]
This is just common sense. Stop giving us lots of broken and undeveloped goodies, and give us a few solid, stable, planned out shinies.
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Moloch Baal
The Village Idiots
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:10:00 -
[2125]
Remember the skill queue, CCP? It turned out a fantastic idea after all, to your own surprise.
This is just like that, fixing all existing broken features might seem like a bad idea at first, but it actualy is a fantastic idea, trust your playerbase on this one...
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Steelshine
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:31:00 -
[2126]
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Vincent Mayer
Zebra Corp United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.06 08:43:00 -
[2127]
this has been needed for so long now.
supported |
Tan Trankor
Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:27:00 -
[2128]
I don't need more to love in EVE. I need to love it more.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.06 15:49:00 -
[2129]
This would do wonders for CCP's name.
Supported 100%
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enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2010.07.06 15:56:00 -
[2130]
Supported. Although it is futile.....
Tears, or the titan dies!
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Slick O'Hara
The Sons of Anarchy.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:24:00 -
[2131]
Supported
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Xandi Crews
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Posted - 2010.07.06 20:19:00 -
[2132]
Yes
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Zelrod
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Posted - 2010.07.06 20:27:00 -
[2133]
+1 I mean really...who gives a crap about walking in stations? The 55k+ pilots that are playing now haven't missed it. |
Tyr Aeron
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 02:53:00 -
[2134]
Gotta bump this back up.
More ******s starting new threads saying essentially the same thing, distracting from the threadnaught that (we hope) has the potential to get CCP's attention.
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TimeDrawsNigh
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Posted - 2010.07.07 03:51:00 -
[2135]
I definitely support this proposal. I'd take a big bug-fixing expansion and/or upgrades to existing content over a new shiny toy.
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Caldrion Dosto
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.07 11:00:00 -
[2136]
I support this statement.
I would recomend CCP to stop everything new untill the "old" stuff is working as intended! |
gunnar aztek
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:04:00 -
[2137]
+1 ---- oRly? |
Tiok
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:08:00 -
[2138]
SUPPORT!!!
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Cadian Smith
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:12:00 -
[2139]
Supported
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Lynn Deniera
The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:31:00 -
[2140]
adding my support
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Brian O'Blivion
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:12:00 -
[2141]
The next two expansions should be Eve Online: Unfinished Business (fixes for all sort of age-old issues) and Eve Online: Ergonomics (complete UI remake), and there's enough work to be done on either front to keep CCP occupied for the next 12 months at the very least. Unfortunately there's the shadow of Incarna looming over the horizon: more developement time spent on useless fluff
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Tykari
AOE Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:04:00 -
[2142]
/signed/ ------ In my memories is still see the waves. The light and the energy pulsing, forming shapes so complex and beautiful. It is a tale none will ever believe. |
Medeamente Prima
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:52:00 -
[2143]
/Signed
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Zumino
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:54:00 -
[2144]
Signed!
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Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.07 17:23:00 -
[2145]
Supported
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yani dumyat
The 23rd Sense
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Posted - 2010.07.07 19:40:00 -
[2146]
+1, Seriously how long does it take to fix rockets? _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
Sinwalker
Caldari The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:00:00 -
[2147]
+1
o/ Uni!
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yani dumyat
Minmatar The 23rd Sense
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:41:00 -
[2148]
What is the OP asking in money terms and who will pay for it? I don't work in the software industry so have pulled these figures from my ass, please feel free to correct me if you know better.
The backlog of things that are broken in eve is quite big and the talent needed to fix it is going to be diverse, the current CCP devs are working on dust and incarna so it's not going to be as simple as pulling staff off those projects to work on fixing eve, the money and marketing folk would have a nervous breakdown.
To achieve excellence as defined in the OP would require CCP to hire more staff and I'm going to guess the average cost of employing a developer is about 150,000 euros per year (including overheads). Assuming a team of ten people are required to fix eve that's a 1.5 million euro bill that's going to drop through CCP's letterbox.
If that bill was passed on to subscribers you'd be talking about adding 5 euros to each of the 300,000 subscriptions and I can't see anyone being happy about that, it would certainly make me think about canceling one or two of my accounts. Alternatively CCP could pull people off dust and incarna (lol) or they could suck up the costs themselves which isn't something companies like to do.
So I return to my original question, who do you think should pay for this? _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
slasher99
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:29:00 -
[2149]
Totally agree +1
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Honor Imperium
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Posted - 2010.07.08 03:08:00 -
[2150]
Edited by: Honor Imperium on 08/07/2010 03:13:01 Edited by: Honor Imperium on 08/07/2010 03:11:22
Originally by: yani dumyat So I return to my original question, who do you think should pay for this?
gosh, it surely couldn't be the thousands of people paying $15 USD a month for a product... (a product which they would like to work properly, I should add, and if it doesn't, then who's going to pay the employees' wages to make up for the people who quit using a product they are dissatisfied with? while the game devs WE are paying are busy making ANOTHER game)
not to mention that the OP isn't the one who claimed excellence was the goal, ccp themselves have touted it as their motto for the year or whatever
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Astria Tiphareth
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.07.08 05:46:00 -
[2151]
Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 08/07/2010 05:47:40 As a person who regularly experiences the pain of Agile's 'oh we can release with X and do Y later' followed quickly by 'Y isn't high priority compared to new Z', I know this stuff all too well. Supported for more polish & followup; it's something that all too many Agile adopters fall into (not necessarily the methodology's fault, more the application of it).
And to answer yani's question - it's not a matter of 'who should pay for this' but a matter of prioritisation. More time allocated to bug fixes; ring-fenced time for followup & polish on released features. It just slows down new features; it doesn't cost anything more (from a dev perspective - from a sales perspective you have the question as to whether new feature Z will yield more sales of subscriptions). ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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yogi caldet
Zebra Corp United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.08 07:08:00 -
[2152]
Totally agree +1
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
Guristech One Stop Research
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Posted - 2010.07.08 07:48:00 -
[2153]
Agree
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Jade Knight07
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:32:00 -
[2154]
Agreed
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Stormera92
Immortal Legends
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:10:00 -
[2155]
Agreed I¦m German pls excuse my bad English
Cya at the Batlefield |
Kovachius
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:43:00 -
[2156]
Supported
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nStedt
1st Furtive Green Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:55:00 -
[2157]
Supported.
We are all a bit naive thinking that it actually matters what we say to fail-CCP. They will continue crank out new content for marketing purposes and not even attempt to fix stuff which has been broken for years (rockets, POS, corp mgmt, etc).
Incredible that CCP can create such a awesome game and then refuse to fix obivous broken content. CCP, if this is supposed to be exellence on your part then you fail more than I thought.
1st Furtive is recruiting ** 0.0 access ** no mandatory ops ** no corp fees ** 1st Furtive Recruitment |
Arbiter Reformed
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.08 18:23:00 -
[2158]
bamp
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Kazn Antilli
SWARTA
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Posted - 2010.07.08 18:38:00 -
[2159]
Supported. Not like it matters, though...
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Skaffe
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Posted - 2010.07.09 02:13:00 -
[2160]
The most eagerly anticipated patchnotes are always the fixes, tweaks and UI improvements that are hidden behind the art team's headline act.
Something has gone wrong when a hypothetical "people's patch" based mainly on community interest is far more likely to contain technical improvements and mechanics adjustments than the developers' offering, and far less likely to contain half-baked excuses to make shiny new models. |
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2010.07.09 02:38:00 -
[2161]
I see this coming a distant last place, behind walking in stations (attracting RPers and more social types) and FPS console play (attracting... well, console players) which are aimed squarely at expanding CCP's customer base and thus generating more subscriptions.
Without customer action that actually affects their revenue stream (like, oh, delaying account renewal for a day each month or something - and emailing customer services with your reasoning) there is no driver for CCP to amend their vision and development strategy. --- Some days you are the pigeon, and some the statue. |
Yussef
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Posted - 2010.07.09 02:38:00 -
[2162]
Very much supported.
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Azzail
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Posted - 2010.07.09 13:36:00 -
[2163]
+1
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Jorsalir
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Posted - 2010.07.09 19:21:00 -
[2164]
Definately supported. Constantly adding new areas to the game is good, but not when they aren't improved upon or fixed when broken.
Please fix things, and stop adding new broken things.
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:18:00 -
[2165]
Absolutely. This is the single most important frustrating issue with EVE game play. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Asser Criel
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Posted - 2010.07.10 06:04:00 -
[2166]
I agree.
I rather have half the expansions provided they were done right. Perhaps they should also fix some of the backlog issues before moving to "The Next Big Thing"
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Ilunyr
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Posted - 2010.07.10 12:02:00 -
[2167]
+1
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Rhok Relztem
Caldari CGMA Synergist Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.10 19:58:00 -
[2168]
I've already added my support for this as well as the Devs should play the game idea. If CSM took only these two items to the table with CCP, there could be a BIG turnaround in the quality of EVE because these two items would affect every other proposal made in this forum. Imagine what the ripple effect would be like in the MMO community (and the entire gaming industry for that matter) to learn that CCP, in an effort to follow their motto of Excellence and by listening to their playerbase, has decided to slow the developement of both Incarna and Dust514 temporarily in order to put forth an 'expansion' of nothing but fixes and polish to already existing content, mechanics, and UI, including or followed by the completion of some of the promised and/or half-finished features that have piled up over the years (like unpublished skill sets and the much maligned learning skills as an example). Once this was done, the releases of both Incarna and Dust514 would be followed by planned stages of the same fixes and polish.
CCP would immediately jump to the top of the class. Players would try the game just to see what a truly polished MMO looked like (since such a beast is nonexistant in today's MMO world) and where the devs actually listen to the players as well as playing the game themselves so as to continually improve both it's performance and quality. Not only would subscriptions rise but with the reputation of putting out a top-notch quality game that is constantly fixed and polished, CCP's future releases such as Dust514 would undoubtably draw a larger response from both the media and the players looking for a new game. And if the need arose, I doubt that a company with a reputation for both inovation and excellence would find it very hard to acquire investment funds.
These two ideas, and especially this one, simply makes both marketing and business sense. It may cost a bit on the front end by delaying the two aforementioned expansions (if Dust can be considered an expansion) and investing the manpower to accomplish the fixes-&-polish expansion(s), but the rewards down the road would undoubtably offset that investment many times over.
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Blood Ghost
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.07.10 20:45:00 -
[2169]
At this point I think everything has been said, so here is my support!
Originally by: CCP Shadow
It's over, Prime. *click*
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 20:51:00 -
[2170]
definitely
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Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.10 20:58:00 -
[2171]
Sweet baby jesus, YES! +1
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.10 21:22:00 -
[2172]
I can only agree to it.
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sue denim
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Posted - 2010.07.10 22:35:00 -
[2173]
I'd be more than happy with 1 expansion a year :| Hell I'd be ecstatic if the next expansion was nothing but fixes and development of past expansions.
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Serious Businesswoman
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Posted - 2010.07.11 01:08:00 -
[2174]
Thumb up
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Anndar Kreone
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2010.07.11 01:19:00 -
[2175]
+1 ---You do Not Beg the Sun for Mercy--- |
Ethan Anali
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Posted - 2010.07.11 01:42:00 -
[2176]
/support
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Constant Pacing
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Posted - 2010.07.11 02:04:00 -
[2177]
Signed.
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2010.07.11 08:26:00 -
[2178]
Edited by: cyndrogen on 11/07/2010 08:35:34 signed.
I want the game to improve, I could care less about walking in stations, there are a million FPS walking games, I don't want to walk, I want to fly.
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Y Berion
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Posted - 2010.07.11 10:21:00 -
[2179]
Sure.
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The Condemned
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Posted - 2010.07.11 10:53:00 -
[2180]
Supported.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.11 13:38:00 -
[2181]
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
Caiden Baxter
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Posted - 2010.07.11 16:29:00 -
[2182]
+1 Supported.
Tyrannis was like having sex while having a "Erectile dysfunction" not fun.
Fix the borked stuff CCP.
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Ravenja
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.11 17:08:00 -
[2183]
CCP, make the right decisions now so the game can shine in years to come! For a change, you could start devoting resources to implementing stuff the CSM brought forward.
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Knoops
Immortal Legends Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2010.07.11 17:55:00 -
[2184]
I Support this!
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Zebs Clone
Zebra Corp United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 06:44:00 -
[2185]
so many bugs for so dam long remain unfixed and forgoten about.
new bugs every patch adding to the list.
stop adding stuff and fix what we have, ccp ffs get a grip on this
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Masumi Do
Lions of Judah Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.12 11:23:00 -
[2186]
Supported.
Though creating new content is paramount for a MMO type game, creating new content that is of excellent standards must be whats delivered. This game already has so much diverse content that polishing and "bringing into excellence" the older content would breathe new life into EvE and help cement a loyal and growing playerbase.
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Sigmaz
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Posted - 2010.07.12 12:43:00 -
[2187]
Emphatically supported.
Many of the current complaints about the game can be resolved thorugh features that have already been proposed. Please CCP, finish what you start!
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Cadirro
DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.12 15:08:00 -
[2188]
Edited by: Cadirro on 12/07/2010 15:12:02 Supported, --- Star Fraction Public - Follow us on YouTube! |
Caderro
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Posted - 2010.07.12 15:09:00 -
[2189]
Edited by: Caderro on 12/07/2010 15:12:47 supported,
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Cadarro
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Posted - 2010.07.12 15:11:00 -
[2190]
..aaand supported.
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Imuran
The first genesis
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:47:00 -
[2191]
+1
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.12 18:53:00 -
[2192]
Please CCP... we love you too much to let you let Eve slide away ___________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Sidrat Flush
Aurora Polaris The Babylon Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:09:00 -
[2193]
Don't normally support or not support posts, but this should be the biggest priority since the Founding Fathers of New Eden, sat down and made notes on what they wanted Eve to be in all its glory.
Plus 1 emphatically. View The Eve Industrial Organiser Site
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:22:00 -
[2194]
Well, as we can read in the meeting minuts from the CCP/CSM meet, CCP will NOT commit to excellence.
Plz all unsubscribe to make clear how you feel about this :P
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Kazn Antilli
SWARTA
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:51:00 -
[2195]
"It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features"
and there it is.
Abandon all hope, etc etc?
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progodlegend
101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.12 20:32:00 -
[2196]
CCP fix my game please? I mean ****, even with dominion, we had a 1000 man fight in provi in febuary, now reinforced nodes are starting to lag out with 600 in them, its getting ridiculous. Something has got to fix this, I personally wouldn't oppose a roll back to like Apocrypha.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.07.12 23:32:00 -
[2197]
Originally by: Kazn Antilli "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features"
and there it is.
Abandon all hope, etc etc?
Management will believe what it wants to believe, and they will find data to support their claims. Works the same everywhere and the only way any of them come around is when they fail and all the pointing fingers and data in the world can't save them from a swift 'restructuring'.
The CSM notes depressed me beyond belief. It's not that CCP doesn't want to succeed, it's that they believe their own B.S. regarding how to get there instead of following the proven successes they achieved as a young company.
Fact is, I'm not sure there is even anyone in a technical position at CCP that could understand how to fix the server issues we currently have. The people that did understand this stuff are busy blowing smoke up their own you know whats as managers, or have moved on.
Yes, while they will keep getting my $$ for a few more months (not like i'd get a refund) I think I'm just going to have to let the current billing sub. run out and find something else to do.
New shiny's are fun and all, we all like innovation... but they seem to forget that their Commitment to Excellence should include, SOMEWHERE, a commitment to making the single shard universe actually work. If you can't have a fleet fight in eve... that's like a burger joint that can't make good burgers.
-- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game. |
Pherusa Plumosa
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.12 23:58:00 -
[2198]
Edited by: Pherusa Plumosa on 12/07/2010 23:58:17 yes pls __________________________________________________
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Mythago
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Posted - 2010.07.13 00:17:00 -
[2199]
Adding my plus one to improve the game
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Ronaldo Carrare
RR Financial Services
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Posted - 2010.07.13 00:18:00 -
[2200]
Since you're not going to fix anything until Incarna/Dust123, I won't be playing it until then either, this issue gets my support.
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Wintron Auto
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.13 04:33:00 -
[2201]
Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Well, as we can read in the meeting minuts from the CCP/CSM meet, CCP will NOT commit to excellence.
Plz all unsubscribe to make clear how you feel about this :P
lolz I support this initiative - mebbe I'll go cancel a couple of my accounts right now; hell, when I was logged in earlier, I couldn't keep ONE account logged in for five minutes straight, let alone three or four (wtb moar closed sockets plz)
Originally by: Kazn Antilli "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features"
and there it is.
Abandon all hope, etc etc?
ccccccccc it feels like they take us about as seriously as we take them, amirite? go ahead and push the new features for those better sales CCP, see where it takes you - hey by the way, who remembers SWG and Planetside?
/frustration
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Zemkhoff
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Posted - 2010.07.13 06:24:00 -
[2202]
Down to one account now.
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Belid Hagen
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 07:04:00 -
[2203]
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Matroxion
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.13 07:07:00 -
[2204]
Supported! ______**Sig**______ - Matroxion - [CWA] Diplomat |
Stocktons
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Posted - 2010.07.13 07:09:00 -
[2205]
Supported for sure! |
wrap it
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:27:00 -
[2206]
Nice CSM minutes. The guys making the decisions in CCP don't listen to the player base, and in the end it will hurt the company.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:34:00 -
[2207]
I don't think I ever gotmto the point of actually supporting this, but after reading the minutes from the summit, I figured it's time to unsub. Gonna make as much noise as I possibly can before my sub runs out however
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Drakoulia
Battlestar Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:43:00 -
[2208]
Edited by: Drakoulia on 13/07/2010 08:45:10 Usually don't support topics here and all, but I have to support this proposal after reading the last CSM notes.
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King Gore
Sword and Pistol
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:52:00 -
[2209]
Posting in my first Assembly Hall Thread. -
Originally by: Verone Happy Ishtar is extremely happy
Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
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Malienna
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Posted - 2010.07.13 09:17:00 -
[2210]
ccc
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Eelis Kiy
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.13 10:02:00 -
[2211]
Supported -----------------------------
>>where the frack is my ship?<< |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2010.07.13 10:03:00 -
[2212]
More quality please.
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Kolombus
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:26:00 -
[2213]
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Colonel Baal
Sacred Templars Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:52:00 -
[2214]
this please...
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FloppyDisc7227
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:13:00 -
[2215]
Edited by: FloppyDisc7227 on 13/07/2010 12:13:18 Meh I have to do this:
I love EVE, please don't destroy what I love! Fix the broken stuff, give us an improved game. I don't care for features right now, an expansion devoted to bugs and issues would be what most here would want. I still love CCP, my devotion is strong, but not infinitely big, at some point I might break as well.
Incarna and Dust may be nice things, but if it destroys EVE in the progress, what's the point of the dream?
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Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:14:00 -
[2216]
fully supporting
knowing corporate behavior all too well however, i fear that the only "fix" we get will either get no meeting minutes next time or everything being under NDA.
i just wish i had read the minutes before extending yesterday. (pleas take this as a simple unemotional statement and nothing else) ---- Ceterum censeo blasters need some tracking love |
GodofHELL
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:18:00 -
[2217]
Edited by: GodofHELL on 13/07/2010 12:19:04 FULLY SUPPORTED.
I'd much rather have less content with more polish; the idea that the opposite is more appealing to consumers is just boneheaded.
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Foulque
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:41:00 -
[2218]
+1ing dis ________
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Johnipm
Hyper Monkey Cube Ltd
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Posted - 2010.07.13 13:52:00 -
[2219]
Edited by: Johnipm on 13/07/2010 13:52:23 After reading the minutes it's clear too me we all should support this.
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Eshamanjaro
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:02:00 -
[2220]
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Jovan Geldon
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:15:00 -
[2221]
Cannot support this enough.
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Shandir
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:22:00 -
[2222]
*IF* CCP actually stuck to the Excellence mark on Dust and Incarna, then I would be okay with waiting till they went by to get back to existing content. But I don't believe they will, if the last two expansions are anything to go by, if the minutes are a sign of things to come... Dust and Incarna will be half-finished, and they will both flop dramatically - this means less money for EVE, it means Dust (which sounds like a potentially really awesome thing for EVE) will not have the activity numbers to make it worth bringing up to scratch, either, and Incarna won't get the support it needs to really become something worth having. CCP need to reduce the number of expansions and improve the quality. They need to go back to previous expansions and bring them up to the mark of Excellence. And they need to realise that EVE has been built on slowly increasing subscriber numbers of exceptionally loyal fans - the quantity over quality mentality they give *cannot* continue to support EVE's slow but inevitable growth - it will make this game a boom and bust like so many before it.
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Kiko Tojima
Daughters of Hada
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:46:00 -
[2223]
Right on spot
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Heroldyn Yhamad
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:48:00 -
[2224]
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Tawnee Dinova
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Posted - 2010.07.13 19:21:00 -
[2225]
/Supported!
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Kirjave
Zabijaki i Pijaki YARRR and CO
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Posted - 2010.07.13 19:32:00 -
[2226]
signed |
lSpydeRl
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.13 19:41:00 -
[2227]
Fix the lag , no one cares about station walking , Its funny how your eve videos show big battles yet you cant have a 50 vs 50 fight anymore
signed - Bitter vet
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:04:00 -
[2228]
+1 á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Rolinthor
4 wing Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:18:00 -
[2229]
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Chuck Kaiser
Excessum Corporation Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:34:00 -
[2230]
/supported
C'mon CCP
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:46:00 -
[2231]
Empty poastin
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Warin
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:52:00 -
[2232]
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Menellaix
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:06:00 -
[2233]
In the meantime, working on Internet Spaceship Game 2: Escape from Iceland
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Zenon Mu
Advanced Assemblies and Sciences
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:13:00 -
[2234]
absolutely support this
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Jita Marxist
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:24:00 -
[2235]
bampin' da threadnought
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Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:58:00 -
[2236]
CSM is a joke but so is lagging out with 30 people in system. We don't want to walk in stations and I don't care about dust. Fix the lag.
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JASON W0RTHING
The Devolved HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:11:00 -
[2237]
Yes please.
Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
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Rublek
0utbreak Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:15:00 -
[2238]
Need more excellence now, potentially waiting 18 months for development to refocus on Eve makes me sad.
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Kayasuri Sidahan
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:52:00 -
[2239]
/signed as well - i'm not (yet) affected by the lack of improvements (FW, treaties), but i sure as hell won't wait until it happens! |
Andreus LeHane
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:53:00 -
[2240]
Signed. Supported. Committed to memory. -----
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Korhonnen
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Posted - 2010.07.13 23:38:00 -
[2241]
Edited by: Korhonnen on 13/07/2010 23:41:17 support
Call it EVE - Reincarnation and fix all the bugs accumulated over the past expansions |
Mira Yakushi
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Posted - 2010.07.13 23:40:00 -
[2242]
support
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Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.14 00:24:00 -
[2243]
Edited by: Idicious Lightbane on 14/07/2010 00:26:05 /Signed
I seriously wouldn't mind an entire year spent on fixing what is already ingame and no new content expansions. It's a SANDBOX game, people will keep doing what they do since it's character driven, and will do it with more joy as things improve, instead of more new broken features get added.
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DogSlime
Wilde Cards
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Posted - 2010.07.14 00:37:00 -
[2244]
/signed
They won't take any notice, though.
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Helicity Boson
The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 00:45:00 -
[2245]
hear hear.
want my money for years to come? then DONT SUCK CCP.
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Henri Rearden
Gallente XII Legion Southern Connection
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Posted - 2010.07.14 00:58:00 -
[2246]
I agree. As much as I like EVE, I'm only still playing it because of the real-time skill training, and the fact that I can often walk away from the keyboard to take care of real-life issues. The incomplete features are starting to get to me, I have to admit. It's kind of embarassing, actually.. I've stopped talking to my family/friends about EVE because they always ask questions that seem to result in my answering "they might fix that later."
I understand they're pursuing a new market (one I have no interest in and one I believe may be a mistake) so that is another reason that I simply don't understand why they're so anxious to release more half-baked content without fixing the mountain of stuff waiting for them.
I am apparently not the only one that has made the CCP/ADHD connection. As I suffer from it myself, I am fully qualified to say that collectively, CCP displays the same symptoms I do...
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Bartholomeus Crane
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:07:00 -
[2247]
Hear hear!
Time to end the ratrace, time to do some horizontal development.
Make it so CCP! -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Maekor Stormborn
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:12:00 -
[2248]
Edited by: Maekor Stormborn on 14/07/2010 01:11:45 I support this even more than I did 2 months ago when it was first posted after reading the CSM minutes. For shame CCP, for shame.
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Hon Dao
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:27:00 -
[2249]
Sorry CCP, but after all your marketing fap, I'm seeing a complete lack of commitment and excellence, especially when compared to the competition. As a new player you'll need to do more than just tack on half working features to get me to commit, after what I'm seeing on the forums, and what's coming out of the CSM.
I started playing EVE because I'm waiting on the next WoW expansion, and things are up in the air as to which I'll carry on playing. All Blizzard has to do is not break something new when they fix an existing problem with PvP (incidentally one that players asked to be fixed), while EVE remains as it is. All CCP has to do is show that they listen to customers, like Blizzard have already proven they can, and keep a simple promise, proving they're not just full of ****.
-------------------------------------------------- I could care less about Americans' use of English.
Caring = Could care less Not caring = Couldn't care less |
Tarin Adur
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:28:00 -
[2250]
Make it happen CCP.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.14 03:56:00 -
[2251]
I didn't ask for PI.
If I wanted to walk around and look at my avatars buns, I would play WOW.
Much of the content (storylines, escalations) are like half-written stories.
As a developer myself I know it's hard to fix bugs in legacy systems, but this going off in different directions.
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Kordel Trask
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:08:00 -
[2252]
I 100% agree. Fix POS'es Fix Showing Blueprint Copies. Fix the interface. Fix the click fest that is PI.
The whole console game interaction Dust (ie Dirt) bad idea!
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:19:00 -
[2253]
Edited by: Bacchanalian on 14/07/2010 04:20:11 I was looking forward to playing Dust and getting my non-EVE playing friends into EVE via Dust until I read the CSM minutes. I will no longer be purchasing Dust. I'm not ready to quit EVE yet, but frankly CCP is showing more and more that they no longer are committed to a quality game over spamming half-finished content.
Signing this thread for whatever good it does. I'm far too jaded to think that CCP cares anymore, however. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Shuckstar
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:24:00 -
[2254]
You are going to fast! Wait five minutes and try again.
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Mokusui
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:31:00 -
[2255]
I wholeheartedly support this.
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Mini SS
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:36:00 -
[2256]
Don't normally support stuff in here but ccp, after reading them minutes you suck. also minus one account here when it runs out.
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shuck
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:38:00 -
[2257]
Supported
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Ransomed1
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:39:00 -
[2258]
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Aldyn
Military Solutions
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:42:00 -
[2259]
I support this. |
HHWH
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:44:00 -
[2260]
76 pages 1901 supports and counting guess a lot of the player base think the same. CCP you even watching this thread?
HH'S SHIPS & MODS BPC STORE ... Need Bpc's For Invention/Manufacturing & not in List of current ones mail me... |
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Mistress SS
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:46:00 -
[2261]
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Polysynchronicity
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:52:00 -
[2262]
I can't say that I won't enjoy Incarna and Dust when they come out, but you can't continue giving them all of the resources like they've been doing. They need to show love to all aspects of the game, not just what's new and shiny. ---------- Now recruiting:
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ArmyOfMe
TAKEN. Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:55:00 -
[2263]
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No Srsly
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Posted - 2010.07.14 05:04:00 -
[2264]
Supported
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Jiro Rans
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.07.14 05:06:00 -
[2265]
I support this, I wish I could give you the middle finger instead of a thumbs up on this thread CCP.
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Android5
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Posted - 2010.07.14 05:14:00 -
[2266]
/signed
I wouldn't be nearly as angry if they didn't lead us on for years with lacklustre expansions and empty promises.
I will most likely be canceling my accounts once I burn through all my ships. Strange to think this could have been avoided if they had allocated a couple of devs to work on minor bug fixes.
Oh and I'm telling everyone I know IRL to not go anywhere near this game, hows that for customer retention.
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Falling Sky
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.07.14 05:54:00 -
[2267]
/signed
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Vasili Z
Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:03:00 -
[2268]
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Going to kill you in Dust 514 (wait a minute, micro-transactions are dumb) |
Theqwert125
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:50:00 -
[2269]
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Stoffl
The Executives
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:27:00 -
[2270]
Fix the frekkin game.
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Xeronn
Amarr Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:28:00 -
[2271]
/signed
but dont believe for a second these guys dont know exactly what they are doing
question is , why are they killing eve for a quick income from a bunch of new players who never make it past month 1?
somewhere some guy ran the numbers and maybe they find it worth it?
maybe a "strike" (not quiting you addicts , i know you cant...neither can I)...but something like everyone stoping payment for 1 day in august would show those managers how things can go?
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Neo Gabriel
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:36:00 -
[2272]
HTFU CCP!
Where is the Excellence?
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:41:00 -
[2273]
Disappointed that so many things have not been fixed, and apparently wont be till 2011/12.
I mean come on. ---------
oOk! |
DeBingJos
Between the lines
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Posted - 2010.07.14 08:01:00 -
[2274]
Supported!
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Locii
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Posted - 2010.07.14 08:33:00 -
[2275]
Edited by: Locii on 14/07/2010 08:33:08
Love eve, Hate ccp.
wasnt always that way, 3 years ago i had respect for a quality company with a quality product. looks like both are going to the dogs fast.
the cash cow is escaping with the milk, what ever shall we do?????
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Aliea Konovalev
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Posted - 2010.07.14 08:34:00 -
[2276]
Supported, not that it'll accomplish anything but hey why not.
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Charontid
Secret Ninja and Pirate Society
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:03:00 -
[2277]
Edited by: Charontid on 14/07/2010 09:05:07 supported
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Fergus Runkle
Minmatar Truth and Reconciliation Council
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:40:00 -
[2278]
Supported.
Eve is a game about spaceships, we all want the space ships, sure Incarna and Dust may bring in new people, but at what cost. Thos of us that are here now playing Eve want to continue playing Eve, NOT Incarna, NOT Dust.
Put the space ships back at the centre of what you are doing.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:41:00 -
[2279]
Originally by: Fergus Runkle Supported.
Eve is a game about spaceships, we all want the space ships, sure Incarna and Dust may bring in new people, but at what cost. Thos of us that are here now playing Eve want to continue playing Eve, NOT Incarna, NOT Dust.
Put the space ships back at the centre of what you are doing.
Unless you already have, you didn't actually support it. ____________
HYDRA Reloaded - 2nd place at Alliance Tournament 8 EVE-Arena is awesome!
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:48:00 -
[2280]
Supported
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Monica Foulkes
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:49:00 -
[2281]
Supported
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:51:00 -
[2282]
Hey, did I support this with all my alts yet?
Looking forward to CCP maybe starting to think about excellence at some point 18 months in the future.
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Morwennon
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:55:00 -
[2283]
I'm only two weeks old and even I can see that CCP need to re-evaluate their priorities.
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ElweSingollo
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:25:00 -
[2284]
Sadly the heads of CCP seem to have lost touch with what they created and what both us older timers and the newer players loved about Eve for the love of god and for the health of Eve I hope the heads pay some notice to the discontent that the CSM minutes have stirred.. it is not too late for Eve yet and it is not too late for us to start working together to make Eve what it should be.
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Again
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Lady Laserlance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:00:00 -
[2285]
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Mistress Angelica
Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:02:00 -
[2286]
Edited by: Mistress Angelica on 14/07/2010 11:01:58 what makes me sad is the fact ccp just dont care about what we the players think. this seams to be a drastic shift from the company i started paying back in 07.
fix eve please ccp
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Kareena Evol
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:04:00 -
[2287]
Friendlies showing up in local and overview as neutral bug happening again. Next patch should be wholly dedicated to a GUI overhaul and fixing bugs.
PI is lovely to look at and the interface is nice, but it takes too many clicks to do things. CCP you need to get GUI designers and Beta testers who understand that people don't like doing boring monotonous stuff in a game that they pay for.
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Sa'Shena
Nomad LLP Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:04:00 -
[2288]
Clear and concise.
I can appreciate that in a thread, but even more so in an idea.
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Jev North
Tachibana Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:13:00 -
[2289]
Make good on promises.
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Rawls Canardly
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:50:00 -
[2290]
Agreed. Among the items I can think of offhand which are presently broken or incomplete: Drone control(incomplete and buggy) Gallente Drone-boat progression(Myrmidon matches the dps of the Vexor, should have at least a slight boost similar to the Drake's role... more bandwidth please) Defender Missiles (broken, useless as is. Perhaps if it were to target more intelligently? [if missile x has been assigned d-missile, reroute to missile y]) Rockets (broken, lacks the speed to catch frigates at point blank range. perhaps doubling the speed and cutting the flight time in half would fix this.) Faction Warfare(I don't know where to begin with this mess) Active tanking (semi-broken, on most smaller caldari craft - including those where CCP reccomends it - a passive tank is superior; while in gallente craft, the Armor Repairer bonus is almost completely ignored outside of PVE.) Gallente Hyperion (semi-broken, powergrid issues, often the second bonus is ignored due to said fitting issues) LP pricing on ships and weapons. (broken- by the time I can use it, I've outgrown it - 80,000LP is insane for a T1 frigate. same with the weaponry.) Blasters (semi-broken: inadequate against anything not sitting still, thanks to the awful tracking and pathetic range. Buffing the falloff may help.) Assault Frigates (broken, what purpose does this fill that a cruiser can't do better for a fraction of the cost?) Aggro-Lag (Seriously, what the heck is up with this? had a corp-mate lose his boat because corp aggro was delayed on a neutral repper for over 2 minutes. After he had died the repper finally turned red.) Destroyers (broken, signature radius of a cruiser, slower than a cruiser and tanks like a frigate... what purpose does this serve?) Interdictors (semi-broken, could use the resists T2 craft are known for) Ewar Drones (semi-broken, perhaps a T2 version of each type, or allowing signature skills to apply would help) That's all I can think of at the moment.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.07.14 12:08:00 -
[2291]
Unfortunately as seen in the CSM summit minutes at the highest levels CCP think quantity of development time means excellence.
I can't quite get my head around the double think that allows them to state that won't polish anything that they acknowledge desperately needs polish for more than 18 months yet turn around and state they are achieving excellence.
Virtuozzo wrote:
EVE used to be internet spaceships. Then those became serious business. Now, it is only serious business, and internet spaceships are in dock for two years until after Incarna |
Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:00:00 -
[2292]
I am glad Eve Online development isn't controlled by the mob. I don't like the mob.
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SARPIDON
THE BLUE BEYOND
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:00:00 -
[2293]
Has my complete support.
Back to basics please CCP.
You really are doing it wrong.
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Urah Dedman
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:08:00 -
[2294]
Supported.
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Aypse
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:09:00 -
[2295]
Not that CCP give a **** what this thread says, but supported.
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Theodicy
Entropy associates
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:25:00 -
[2296]
Supported all the way.
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Neu Bastian
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:44:00 -
[2297]
yes
Quote:
Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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Positr0n
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Posted - 2010.07.14 14:13:00 -
[2298]
bout time this is adressed.
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Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
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Posted - 2010.07.14 14:20:00 -
[2299]
I support this proposal.
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Cire XIII
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 14:21:00 -
[2300]
Better Late than never. Here's to hoping this thread gets noticed by people in positions to make a difference in the game that fits my lifestyle like a glove.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 14:30:00 -
[2301]
I don't think any of the execs can even find this forum, let alone read it...
And don't think anyone else in the structure is going to show this to them either.
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Orion Sebestes
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Posted - 2010.07.14 14:30:00 -
[2302]
Edited by: Orion Sebestes on 14/07/2010 14:30:40 I doubt that stretching the development cycle will have the intended effect of allowing more time to fix bugs and flesh out existing features. The issue is as you discussed "must haves" and "could haves", bug fixes and extension of existing features will more like than not fall into the "could haves" 90% of the time.
What would be better is to have two teams running on different schedules with different priorities. Have a "patch team" work strictly on extending and fixing existing features with a one month development cycle. And then an "expansion team" on the current six month cycle working on building new features. This would allow for the different teams to have distinct priorities and should lead to more regular bug fixes.
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Ibn Taymiyyah
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:15:00 -
[2303]
I wish us all luck in having any of CCPs management reading these 77 pages (so far!)!!!
I support the OP!
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Jaketh Shae
Rage For Order En Garde
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:21:00 -
[2304]
Excellent post
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Rage Spear
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:25:00 -
[2305]
Already +1ed long ago but thought I would revisit this after the recent CSM minutes debacle.
How long can they ignore this threadnought?
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Otin Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:35:00 -
[2306]
Massive support.
<rant> Side note, after reading all the CSM minutes, it seems like CCP most used response to issues was, "huh, yeah but were not gonna look at that for another year" and for bugs, "really, fill out a bug report"
Really?!?!? Come on guys, we expect better. </rant>
OK, all that said, I am keeping my fingers crossed for a CCP change of heart. They will realize soon that we wouldn't be complaining if we didn't love this game. ------- Nothing especially witty to say at this time. |
Xodd Hil
Trucido Veritas
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:33:00 -
[2307]
Supported. Not that CCP actually gives a damn what their customers really need. 60day ETC |
Sauterelle
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:13:00 -
[2308]
+1 I like the 6 months fix things, 12 months expansion. With a full team on fixing things not the guy down in the basement with an abacus and a note pad. Just to say they have people assigned to quality control.
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Harlon Mathuin
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:38:00 -
[2309]
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:09:00 -
[2310]
18 months before any serious resources can be devoted to fixing broken and neglected content?
It's amazing CCP can even say the word "Excellence" with a straight face.
Like the man in the movie says: "I don't think that word means, what you think it means." ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
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Alexis Du'Volle
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:15:00 -
[2311]
Edited by: Alexis Du''Volle on 14/07/2010 19:15:09 +1. specially considering the recent CSM Dramaz
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Yazus Kor
Kotharat Logistics
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:17:00 -
[2312]
Supported. \o/
"Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem." |
Illiani Dourana
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:24:00 -
[2313]
I would too would like to see what has been suggested, by posts 1 & 2, implimented.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:24:00 -
[2314]
(I didn't make this, but had to post it here)
"Death of a Sales Rep", a tragedy in 4 acts:
Act 1: Guy: "Hello, I'm leasing a car from your company" Company: "Yes, sir, well done, what can I do for you?" G: "Well, one of you employees has just stolen my hubcaps!" C: "We're very sorry this has happened, we'll do something about this immediately!" G: "So you'll fire your employee and give me new hubcaps?" C: "We could do that, but instead we've decided to hire a new Sales Rep. From now on he will attend to your needs directly!" G: "Ehh, what? How's that going to give me new hubcaps? Anyway, there are some other problems with my car I want to talk to with one of your mechanics." C: "I'm sorry, but that's no longer possible. Since you exposed our employee we have decided that customers can no longer talk to employees directly. You'll have to address your concerns to the Sales Rep." G: "But I spoke to your mechanic just yesterday and he's aware of the problems with the car!" C: "I'm sorry, but that's no longer a service we provide. You'll have to talk to the Sales Rep. In fact, I'm not allowed to talk to you any longer! Good bye and enjoy your lease car!"
Act 2: Sales Rep: "Good day sir, how can I help you!" G: "I have some problems with a car I leased from you!" S: "Sorry to hear that sir, but you'll be glad to know we're currently building a new tractor! I'm sure you'll enjoy it!" G: "Thank you, but I rather doubt it, I'd rather have you fix my lease car!" S: "What seems to be the problem then?" G: "Well, I'm missing the passenger's door, the left rear wheel, the steering is very sluggish, and I can only drive very slowly because I can't get the car into second gear!" S: "I'm sorry to hear that sir. Did I tell you we're building a new tractor? I'm sure you'll enjoy driving that!" G: "Not particularly interested in the tractor thank you. But I am wondering when you will fix my car though!" S: "Not to worry sir, we have mechanics working round the clock to find fixes for you car! Lets have another act, I'm sure we'll have something for you then!" G: "Mmkay, but I'll hope that act starts pretty soon though!"
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Maekor Stormborn
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:25:00 -
[2315]
Act 3: G: "Hi, we're in a new act, do you have any fixes for my car?" S: "What's wrong with it?" G: "I told you last time! Hell, I even explained it to your mechanic before that!" S: "Ofcourse you did sir, no need to worry, we're working on fixes round the clock!" G: "Well, do you have any fixes for me now?" S: "Did I tell you about this new tractor we're building?" G: "Yes, you did, and I'm not interested in driving a tractor, I want my bloody car fixed!" S: "Ofcourse you do sir, no worry though, we have exactly what you need. Here it is!" G: "What the hell is that?" S: "Well it's a huge pair of fluffy dice you can hang from your rear-view mirror! Don't they look cute?" G: "Fluffy dice! I'm missing the left rear wheel on my car and can't get it into second gear! And you give me fluffy dice?" S: "No need to get upset sir, we're working as hard as we can. Lots of things are being done. We're really doing a lot of things here!" G: "Sure, but what do I need these fluffy dice for?" S: "Lets just try them on for size, I promise you we'll get round to the rest of your problems in due time and in the mean time you'll have these fluffy dice. No need to worry now!" G: "Well, that's just brilliant! Your fluffy dice ripped my rear-view mirror right out of its socket! Oh, great, they landed in the exposed gear-box as well. Now I can't get the damn car out of reverse!" S: "Just a minor inconvenience sir! We'll soon fix that. In fact, our mechanics are already working on it now. Honestly, they are!" G: "What the hell do you suppose I do now? Drive the car to work backwards?" S: "What an excellent suggestion sir! Very perceptive. I'll pass it on as a solution to our mechanics right away! I'm sure if you come back in the next act, we'll have fixed the other problems to your car as well!"
Act 4: G: "Yo, Sales Rep, what's happening with the fixes to my bloody car?" S: "Good day sir, what seems to be the problem with your car!" G: "Are you blind? Just look at it. It's a bloody scrapheap! And I arrived here driving backwards!" S: "Yes, I noticed that, but let me assure you our mechanics are working very hard to fix your gear-box!" G: "How about the missing wheel? And the steering? And the damned passenger door?" S: "I can assure you those are being worked on as well! I can assure you of that!" G: "Listen I've had quite enough of this. I'm not going to leave until you fix my bloody car!" S: "Well, we've been working very hard on this huge spoiler here. We can cello-tape that to the back of your car?" G: "Spoiler? I didn't want a spoiler! I want my bloody car fixed! And what do you mean cello-tape it to the back of my car?" S: "Well, we've been pouring a lot of mechanic time into building that spoiler, but we haven't gotten round to properly fixing it to something yet. But cello-tape should work for a while. Until we get round to fixing that ofcourse." G: "I don't want your broken spoiler I want you to fix my damn car!" S: "Well, that's going to be a bit difficult sir." G: "Why?" S: "Well remember that tractor we're building?" G: "Yes?" S: "Are you sure you don't want to drive that instead?" G: "NO!" S: "Well, then I'm sorry to say that if you don't want us to cello-tape that new spoiler to your car, we can't really help you for a while." G: "WHAT?" S: "You see, we've already allocated all our mechanic time to building the tractor, so we don't have time to fix your car until that's done!" G: "What? Is this some terrible joke?" S: "No sir. You see, we've taken the money you gave us leasing our car and invested it into building a tractor!" G: "WHAT?" S: "Yes, terribly sorry sir, but we'll be busy building the tractor for the next 18 to 24 months. We may be able to squeeze in a couple of novelty license-plates, if we're lucky, but rest assured, after all that, we'll probably will be able to start fixing your car." G: "You've gotta be takin' the ****!" S: "No si
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Sephris
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:40:00 -
[2316]
Edited by: Sephris on 14/07/2010 19:40:04 lmao.
and supported tenfold.
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Zepherith
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:16:00 -
[2317]
Edited by: Zepherith on 14/07/2010 20:16:45 +1 support.
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Spyke BlackIce
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:43:00 -
[2318]
Empahtically supported. Those minutes were eye-opening to say the least.
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Janya Rykayn
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:50:00 -
[2319]
You know, there's a lot I could say here.
I've been playing since 2003, on and off. In that time, other than major stability and graphical improvements, there has been very little added to Eve.
Planetary interaction is awesome and everything, and lays a framework for vast changes coming with Dust 514 and whatever else.
But they keep promising things and never releasing them. Walking in Stations is a great example. Another is the atmospheric flight trumpeted for a while there.
Overall it starts to look like "pig in a poke" marketing, getting people to buy sight unseen, based on potential which never quite materializes.
I agree that they need to fix the broken subsystems before they fart around with other stuff. Interestingly, most of these are in the endgame, where people won't be affected by them for quite some time.
But all in all they need to fix the subsystems that are broken, and add lots more working, polished subsystems.
FWIW, Wormhole Space added a huge amount to the game and I would unquestionably have stopped playing it by now otherwise.
All in all, Eve is great, and I don't really know if any of this is As Bad As All That (TM).
But a lot of these complaints are about real gamebreaking bugs that affect a lot of the old-timers. Maybe CCP is actually trying to drive some of them off?
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Xi Dra'Gaan
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:50:00 -
[2320]
Excellence my arse. I've seen used car salesmen with more excellence and insurance companies more commited to their customers than this.
+1
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Janya Rykayn
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:59:00 -
[2321]
Quote: I've seen used car salesmen with more excellence and insurance companies more commited to their customers than this.
Is it really THAT terrible?
For my money it's the best thing out there, by far. But it does kind of get silly when they're releasing all kinds of crazy new stuff (PI) without fixing what would seem to be some fairly simple and straightforward bugs.
I wonder what the code is like. Maybe the server code is such a terrible rat's nest that they're having trouble with it...
It almost seems as if they're trying to maintain the existing userbase with some incremental improvements while focusing a lot of the development effort on something else.
It would be really interesting to know how much actual development effort is going into Eve. Weren't they talking about releasing a Vampire game a while back, during the White Wolf acquisition? Could it be that all the development effort has gone into that and that Eve has just been left in a holding pattern?
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Aerilis
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:28:00 -
[2322]
This isn't the CCP I knew when I started playing this game.
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Shaadowlurker
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:36:00 -
[2323]
+1
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Mizz Wolf
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:04:00 -
[2324]
ExcellenceÖ?
+1 for this thread.
While I am really looking forward to Incarna, I'd like just as much (if not more) to see some of this broken stuff fixed.
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IreSilver
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:39:00 -
[2325]
It's not the mechanics of the issue that irk me (Rocket fixes etc) so much as the attitude expressed towards the playerbase by CCP reps.
Anyway, +1.
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Hlem Deep
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:54:00 -
[2326]
sign
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Darin Raltin
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:36:00 -
[2327]
+1 I had held off on this thread until the CSM minutes came out. I doubt lots of people are going to run for exits in protest, but they are setting up eve for failure the second a worthy competitor shows up.
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Nimbat
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:39:00 -
[2328]
Let's open their eyes. More posts!
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Athre
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:06:00 -
[2329]
+1
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FOEHAMMER006
Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:08:00 -
[2330]
Originally by: Aerilis This isn't the CCP I knew when I started playing this game.
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Korhonnen
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:27:00 -
[2331]
Originally by: Darin Raltin ... I doubt lots of people are going to run for exits in protest, but they are setting up eve for failure the second a worthy competitor shows up.
Like SW TOR spring 2011 - I know from the WoW forums that there'll be many players leaving WoW for the Bioware Game - might be here in EVE as-well if CCP don't react.
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Lamaar
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:42:00 -
[2332]
Supporting the thread. Hope CCP fixes things.
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Reithan
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.15 02:12:00 -
[2333]
Holy mother of God, yes.
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darkani
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Posted - 2010.07.15 04:25:00 -
[2334]
Hello Guys,
well, i just read the forums a bit, especialy this post. 1 corpmate was taliking about in corp channel.
Well... I know this game lack on 1 or 2 points, As every game got his weak points. Considering the ressource they got comparing an other game with 6 to 10 million player!!!!, they still do better. CCP, year after year have 1 big new features while improving his graphics contents! Name me an other game doing the same!!!. Just look at the basic content, you gather, you fight, you build, you transport the whole game and gameplay is owned by the player!. no Game Have this feature As far as this one. Does i have to remember that everytime you ask something, it sacrifice somewhere else. Its life. Investing in a car, may cut off your new pc dream for a while:P
Every mmorpg got his cap point, when there s no much thing to experience the new feature are made for those player to keep them. Theres only a way to keep customer and it s make them enjoy what they use. there s bug, There s weak Point but at the end this game is simply wonderful.
Always remember there s always 2 side to a medal And to survive this game is in a perpetual rush of improvement. And it s for us at the first place:P
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 05:04:00 -
[2335]
CCP has major releases every 6 months (Apocrypha for example was amazing). This is excellent. Some deprecated features (like COSMOS) that sit in the dark of the universe are good as well. This means that there will always be some hidden, forgotten features that you can learn about. As a new player to Eve-Online, this is one of the amazing things about the game.
But, I would like CCP to devote more resources to fixing up old features. Every old feature doesn't need to be squeaky clean, but important features (such as Factional Warfare and the corp management interface) need a complete, version 2.0 revamp. In my mind, if CCP doesn't do this, they will never acieve excellence.
They will be a niche, unique company, but never excellent unless they devote significantly more resources to expansing and polishing older features. The game as a whole should always be roughly on the same level of quality. My friend who tried eve for example, ended up quitting because missions sucked horrible. I told him Epic Arcs were cool, and Wormhole NPCs were worthy opponents, but the 5 year old missions he was running turned him off of the game.
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Frelird
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:16:00 -
[2336]
+1
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kyotr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:59:00 -
[2337]
+1
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Hon Dao
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:17:00 -
[2338]
Originally by: Marlenus It's amazing CCP can even say the word "Excellence" with a straight face.
Maybe it merely sounds like "Excellence", and what was really said was "Excrement", with an Icelandic accent. -------------------------------------------------- I could care less about Americans' use of English.
Caring = Could care less Not caring = Couldn't care less |
Pj Harvey
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:44:00 -
[2339]
CCP never read anything in here but supported anyway
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:53:00 -
[2340]
signed.
CCP, please fix the various broken bits of EVE before adding any more features.
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shannonaut
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:04:00 -
[2341]
Edited by: shannonaut on 15/07/2010 13:06:25 Edited by: shannonaut on 15/07/2010 13:06:06 2010.06.23 02:21:00 None ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I was flying a heavy interdictor in combat and wanted to activate my interdiction generator for 1 cycle, so I clicked it once (on) and clicked it again (off) but there is a split second delay as I'm sure you know when you click a module before it goes "green". It seems my 2nd click was poorly timed, and I apparently clicked it at the exact time the module went green, and then it wouldn't turn off. There was no mouseover text on the module any more, and no way to interact with it besides the overheat button (which still functions, but the module continues to run until/unless it burns out). Of course, being an interdiction generator, this meant I could not warp or even move at speed with a MWD on or anything else. An easy way to replicate this bug would be to click repeatedly on the module very quickly until it turns on, and stays "red" but continues to run cycles. The only way to turn off the module are using external means to force modules to shut down - i.e. being neuted, cloaking, jumping/docking, or logging out. None of these are practical in most combat situations. I have seen this reproduced on multiple machines with multiple client versions over the years, and since this can be a *VERY* big problem for a HIC in combat, it is very important to me that it gets fixed.
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2010.06.28 12:07:00 GM Renril ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello, I apologize for the late reply. Could you please file a bug report about this. You will find the bug report form under the EVE Insider section on the www.eveonline.com web site. A detailed bug report will help the Bug Hunters/QA look into this issue as quickly as possible. Instructions on how to file a good bug report can be found here http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Bug_reporting viewable out of game. Best regards, GM Renril The EVE Online Customer Support Team
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THANKS MAN, I ALREADY DID LAST YEAR, SO CAN I HAVE A PROGRESS REPORT?
you know it's bad when you're filing petitions to get the devs to fix the bugs you reported a year ago
/me already canceled account
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:28:00 -
[2342]
+1
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Spectre3353
The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:18:00 -
[2343]
+1 ----- My Blog |
Dr Cron
Northern Lights Number 5 Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:18:00 -
[2344]
+2, but why bother...
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Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:49:00 -
[2345]
I spent the day at work thinking of things CCP fixed, and did it well. This is just to give them an idea of what to aim for, when they get around to it....in a year and a half.
- the rigs revamp was spot on, and put rigs on practically every ship in New Eden.
- the scanning system was much improved with Apocrypha. While i wouldn't call it fun, more of a chore, at least it won't make me want to claw my eyes out anymore.
- weapon grouping. Made life easier for players, reduced server load. Everyone's happy.
- stealth bomber re-focusing. Made the ship usuful again, and fun as all hell to fly. It's practically made for WH-space
- All the server upgrades with Quantum Rise, stackless IO and all that techno-babble. It worked like a charm, and for a while there, lag was manageable.
- Wormholes. Alright i'm biased, since i'm a fulltime wormhole jockey. But damn...no blobfests, no local, good ganks and tonnes of isk to be made. Tech 3 to boot! Hell yeah!
- Sov changes in Dominion. While i've no experience with sovreignty, a change to sov was long over due. Whether the fix CCP came up with was 100% succesfull, i'll leave to the nullsec crowd, but i'll give CCP partial credit for trying at least.
- Doomsday change was a good thing too....i think. Never been on the receiving end of one . However, the proliferation of titans warrented a change, no doubt, and the boomstick they came up with, looks to me like a decent fix.
- faction ship revamp, barring the dramiel, has turned out well too. No longer pricy hangar queens, you see them out and about all over EVE.
- in-game mail and browser. Waaayyyyy more than 18 months over due, but at least an ok fix when they got around to it. Still missing flash functionality with the browser, though....
- last and least, planets. They look pretty cool, granted, but, PI is a disgrace as is, at least we got some eyecandy in the bargain.
So, fellow bitter vets, nil desperandum. CCP CAN fix stuff when they are allowed to. They can even achieve _EXCELLENCE_ once in a while, but the future is looking pretty damn bleak. We've waited for Incarna for what 3+ years? I can wait 3 more, if it frees up resources to get EVE back to it's former pewpew'ing glory, hopefully with a UI that's so obtuse, that religion seems reasonable, when compared to it.
please add all the cool fixes i've missed
Have a pleasant day, everyone.
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Jack Coutu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:01:00 -
[2346]
PLEASE
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Auroral Borealis
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:27:00 -
[2347]
Oh good I can hardly await for walking in stations, not flying a spaceship, in 2011?
Thank goodness EVE isn't buggy, laggy, and made up of a dozens of half-finished features. Imagine if something as important as sov was bugged. That would suck wouldn't it. Imagine if modules wouldn't cycle in fights. Imagine if fleets were unable to load systems with less than 100 people in them.
I can't wait until another space game comes out that's actually playable.
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Tyr Aeron
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 22:17:00 -
[2348]
I think the CSM minutes and CCP's conspicuous lack of a reply to this uber threadnaught are evidence enough that Management is hell bent on cramming more useless and unwanted crap down our throats. They wave their newest buzz-word (stake-holder) about like they'll actually listen to anything we're saying.
CCP says they listen to the CSM, but the minutes say otherwise. I know the CSM brought this issue to their attention and CCP then told them as politely as possible to, and I'm paraphrasing, 'Shut the **** up. You're getting Dust and Incarna and you're all going to love it you ungreatfull little ****s."
One of CCP's concerns is developing new content to draw new players. Does that sound stupid to anyone else? A:) If they're new players, EVERYTHING IS NEW TO THEM!!! EVE is complex enough, they don't need more **** they can't use to confuse them further. B:) Most new players never stick with EVE that long anyway and all this new crap and all the broken old crap is exactly what's preventing CCP from growing the player base.
Apparently, several members of CCP management are console gamers who don't play EVE and another portion are more interested in trying on outfits and fancy hats all day rather than actually 'playing' EVE. On the other hand, I guess that seems perfectly reasonable when you don't have to worry about how much ISK is in your wallet and you can just roam around in Jove Battleships all day or just materialize 50 billion ISK into your wallet.
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Kommedian
The Athiest Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:07:00 -
[2349]
Running late to a doctors appointment...still had to stop to +1 this.
CCP: This is an opportunity. Don't let it pass by.
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:55:00 -
[2350]
I support this. However I don't expect or want everything to be 100% perfect, that's impossible or in reality it would take so long to get all possible kinks out of the code it'd never see the light of day.
But yes, more quality less quantity is something I happily support. 1 expansion a year is fine by me.
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Seithir
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:38:00 -
[2351]
supported
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Wintron Auto
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:02:00 -
[2352]
Edited by: Wintron Auto on 16/07/2010 01:07:20
Originally by: Drifnir Edited by: Drifnir on 15/07/2010 19:00:52 I spent the day at work thinking of things CCP fixed, and did it well. This is just to give them an idea of what to aim for, when they get around to it....in a year and a half.
- the rigs revamp was spot on, and put rigs on practically every ship in New Eden.
- the scanning system was much improved with Apocrypha. While i wouldn't call it fun, more of a chore, at least it won't make me want to claw my eyes out anymore.
- weapon grouping. Made life easier for players, reduced server load. Everyone's happy.
- stealth bomber re-focusing. Made the ship usuful again, and fun as all hell to fly. It's practically made for WH-space
- All the server upgrades with Quantum Rise, stackless IO and all that techno-babble. It worked like a charm, and for a while there, lag was manageable.
- Wormholes. Alright i'm biased, since i'm a fulltime wormhole jockey. But damn...no blobfests, no local, good ganks and tonnes of isk to be made. Tech 3 to boot! Hell yeah!
- Sov changes in Dominion. While i've no experience with sovreignty, a change to sov was long over due. Whether the fix CCP came up with was 100% succesfull, I'll leave to the nullsec crowd, but i'll give CCP partial credit for trying at least. However, the idea of paying 'rent' for space you claim as your own, is a cognitive dissonance, if i ever heard one...
- Doomsday change was a good thing too....i think. Never been on the receiving end of one . However, the proliferation of titans warrented a change, no doubt, and the boomstick they came up with, looks to me like a decent fix.
- faction ship revamp, barring the dramiel, has turned out well too. No longer pricy hangar queens, you see them out and about all over EVE.
- in-game mail and browser. Waaayyyyy more than 18 months over due, but at least an ok fix when they got around to it. Still missing flash functionality with the browser, though....
- last and least, planets. They look pretty cool, granted, but, PI is a disgrace as is, at least we got some eyecandy in the bargain.
So, fellow bitter vets, nil desperandum. CCP CAN fix stuff when they are allowed to. They can even achieve _EXCELLENCE_ once in a while, but the future is looking pretty damn bleak. We've waited for Incarna for what 3+ years? I can wait 3 more, if it frees up resources to get EVE back to it's former pewpew'ing glory, hopefully with a UI that's so obtuse, that religion seems reasonable, when compared to it.
please add all the cool fixes i've missed
Have a pleasant day, everyone.
should i take it from the fact that you didn't support this, that you don't support this?
i'm tired of having a UI that's such a pain in the ass i can barely be arsed to play with it, and then having CCP tell me that it's not important for the next 2 years because they've got other "cool" **** they want to do first. i've DIED because of this awesome UI before, and then had CCP tell me "we don't have any logs of this, so go **** yourself, have a nice day."
*edit* and just FYI, since you don't live in 0.0 I'll fill you in, the sov changes were bull****, half-ass implemented, and - get this, this is a shocker - they never went back and tidied them up! gosh, could it be because they were too busy having two thirds of their manpower work on "walking in ****"? :o
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Barathrum Zinfandel
Absinthe Brothers
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:06:00 -
[2353]
/Supported
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Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:19:00 -
[2354]
Better late than never. ______________________________
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Velan Wolf
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:28:00 -
[2355]
Agreed and Supported
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AzureStorms
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:42:00 -
[2356]
Supported. This is beyond late. ------------------------
Nothing is ever easy Dance with me death, I am ready
"Death is a side effect of logging on." -Phoenixheart- |
KalEl Trask
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Posted - 2010.07.16 03:52:00 -
[2357]
I support this. Fix the "By design" implementation failures.
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Threv Echandari
Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.07.16 04:35:00 -
[2358]
Supported and endorsed fully. I would like to see a moratorium on expansions until the game we know and love is in better shape. Dont get me wrong I actually liked the expansions but quality issues surrounding them are just too much too ignore. Faction Warfare is a great example of an expansion that had possibilities and was fun in the beginning until you realized what some of the problems were. But Time and Time again like the other features it just seems like its done Half-A55ed. Then its on to the the "Next Expansion." I want Incarna (oh yesI do) and Dust would be nice too, but if you release DUST with the same lack of quality the recent expansions have had then you will find your first venture into the Console FPS gaming market will be your last. XBOX and PS3 players will leave your game in droves and bad press will kill it.
STOP THE MADNESS
As for the CSM Don't relent. The quality issue is huge and players are going to get fed up. The uneven Sub Stats of late are a sign of more "Bad things" to come if CCP doesn't change its present course. ---------------------------------------- Happiness is a Wet Pod
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Coreaxe
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Posted - 2010.07.16 06:33:00 -
[2359]
Supported.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.07.16 07:48:00 -
[2360]
Quote: It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features.
CCP don't care about EVE.
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Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.16 08:28:00 -
[2361]
Originally by: Wintron Auto
should i take it from the fact that you didn't support this, that you don't support this?
I supported back on page 60-something of the threadnought. All the broken, borked, wonky stuff affects W-space too, though lag is not much of an issue, since there's practically no people out here.
Originally by: Wintron Auto
*edit* and just FYI, since you don't live in 0.0 I'll fill you in, the sov changes were bull****, half-ass implemented, and - get this, this is a shocker - they never went back and tidied them up! gosh, could it be because they were too busy having two thirds of their manpower work on "walking in ****"? :o
It doesn't really surprise me, tbh, we've all seen the 'release and forget' approach too many times now. Too bad really, nulsec used to be a source of great entertainment, even though i don't play there. Like a soap opera i'm not ashamed of following.
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Taross
People with Guns Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.16 09:22:00 -
[2362]
Agreed! CSM members, keep up the good work. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.16 10:53:00 -
[2363]
Thanks for trying CSM, shame CCP doesn't care and is too focused on new content --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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FOXX IS
dutch viper squadron viperfleet
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Posted - 2010.07.16 10:57:00 -
[2364]
+1
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Azzma
D00M.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:18:00 -
[2365]
Commit to excellence, CCP.
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Kisdis
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Posted - 2010.07.16 15:07:00 -
[2366]
for the love of all that is sacred stop all work on "waling in station" and fix bugs in game.
why even have CSM if you ignore them?
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Kani Prost
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:43:00 -
[2367]
/me agrees ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." ~Supreme Chancellor |
Destruction Theory
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Posted - 2010.07.16 21:22:00 -
[2368]
Back to the top and supported. +1.
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Echoness
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Posted - 2010.07.16 22:33:00 -
[2369]
+1
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Drake Neutrino
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Posted - 2010.07.16 22:42:00 -
[2370]
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.16 22:49:00 -
[2371]
while i agree with alot of stuff sayd in this proposal, assembly hall is not exactly the place for "CCP, it's time to fix EVE"! that does very little good
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Kaizoku Taiyou
Draft Dodgers
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Posted - 2010.07.16 23:38:00 -
[2372]
Support 100%, but also know 100% that it is fairly useless given the minutes of the last meeting... |
T0KER
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Posted - 2010.07.17 00:07:00 -
[2373]
Supported
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Earthican
DARKFELL EXCURSIONS Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.07.17 01:01:00 -
[2374]
as reported by CCP Zulu | 2010.07.16 17:35:24
"CSM you say?"
"Like many of you, I have read the meeting minutes from the CSM 5 meetings in Reykjavik last month. To be completely up-front about it, I have to say Iæm quite taken aback by the difference in the meeting minutes compared to my firsthand experience from attending the meetings."
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777
CSM meeting minutes
"Speaking on behalf of CCP, Nathan disagreed strongly with the claim that CCP isnÆt committed to excellence."
plus:
"It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features."
equals:
"CSM remained unconvinced of CCPs commitment to excellence"
http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2010/CSM_CCP_Meetings_23-25_06_2010.pdf
Mr. Zulu What part of less crap more quality did you not understand from that meeting? P.S. Has anyone counted the number of Minmatar regions in empire space? |
wizzard66
Gallente Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.17 01:30:00 -
[2375]
Edited by: wizzard66 on 17/07/2010 01:32:40 The reponse on the CSM meeting by CCP Zulu is imho very unprofessional.
Count the numbers of developers on new toys and minigames and cmpare that the number of devs 'working hard on bugs you are not even aware of'.
Read the CSM reports. CCP is not taking its customers serious at all. Most ideas are being neglected, some are put on looooong holds, many are sais as maybe (yeah sure) and the vialble ideas resulted in either a devlog or a promise it will be looked into. Only intrested in attracking new players. Way to go CCP.
A professional corporation would put up a list of know issues by players and work trough it, striking though all progress it is making. Adding timeschedules to each issue.
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JuanCamaney
University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.07.17 02:54:00 -
[2376]
+1
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Ezurion
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Posted - 2010.07.17 09:03:00 -
[2377]
Supported. |
Freylock
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Posted - 2010.07.17 10:56:00 -
[2378]
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Rolly Polly
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:44:00 -
[2379]
Edited by: Rolly Polly on 17/07/2010 18:43:47 Not a bad turnout I fell we can do better though.
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Bulldug
Starlight Enterprise RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.17 20:51:00 -
[2380]
Quote: reported by CCP Zulu | 2010.07.16 17:35:24 | NEW | Comments CSM you say?
Like many of you, I have read the meeting minutes from the CSM 5 meetings in Reykjavik last month. To be completely up-front about it, I have to say Iæm quite taken aback by the difference in the meeting minutes compared to my firsthand experience from attending the meetings.
For my part, I felt the discussions were very constructive and I had great dialogue with the council members.
Maybe Iæm completely delusional and it didnæt go that way at all, but thereæs definitely something broken in the feedback loop we have with the CSM and I will be working closely with them to enhance our collaboration. When two parties have such vastly different perceptions of the same event, something is wrong and needs to be fixed.
Iceberg you say?
New features attract new players and preserve EVE's longevity? Not necessary. Holding back some features in order to preserve longevity are a pretty wise business plan. Look at Blizzard, they are an excellent example. Blizzard wait until everyone is clamouring for more content, then they give it before too many people get fed up. Blizzard generally want their products to be popular for a long period of time, not like CCP where new features is only popular immediately after they release a new expansion. CCP use new expansions/features as carot, Blizzard use excellence as carot.
EVE is already a very complex game even for veterans that have played for years. Adding another level of complexity to EVE with PI and Incarna are not a wise buisness plan because it's premature. As example, FW and lowsec was supposed to be a stepping stone to PVP and 0.0 sec that have the potential to vastly increase the player experience for pvp wannabes and lowsec/0.0 sec. residents. It's shocking and dis-encouraging that CCP dont see just a 'slight' problem in prioritizing new feautures over polishing FW/low sec and others half baked features..
Delusional you say?
Yes please get a grip on reality! Excellence dictate that quality outweighs quantity. Blizzard understand this concept. Sorry to say, but in this ballgame CCP are just wannabes who pretend to be something they are not. I love the sci fi concept in EVE, but damn CCP suck at prioritizing. It's the loyal EVE players that can take alot of credit for preserving EVE's longevity. In 2003 when EVE went live, many people in the gaming industry thought EVE would never succeed. They were wrong, not because of 'EVE Excellence' but because a loyal core of EVE players kept the community alive, CCP tend to forget that. Look at EVE-Uni and many other old corps and veterans that help new players get trained and interated with the EVE community. Look at the tons of third party programs and resources created to support EVE.
Waiting another 18 months+ to polish old EVE features is non-acceptable and show lack of goodwill against the loyal player base that have invested alot of time into EVE. On a personal level, im willing to use my financial might with 100B+ isk that can support CSM in their campaign against new features and to fix old. In short, im fed up. I love EVE but see big icebergs ahead and something must be done by CSM and the player base to hopefully change this horrible prioritizing of dev teams that vastly favor new features the next 18+ months.
EVE is a sandbox game? Well then give us some 'excellence tools' and stop producing some half baked chinese crap |
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Carl Marsarlis
Valerian Steel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.17 22:03:00 -
[2381]
Facta Probant |
Surrah
Fallen Knights
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Posted - 2010.07.17 22:36:00 -
[2382]
Approved, Supported.
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Qel'Droma
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Posted - 2010.07.18 03:27:00 -
[2383]
Supported
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Dagrin RDM
The Leather Knights
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Posted - 2010.07.18 06:02:00 -
[2384]
Supported if I missed supporting this one before.
YES OR NO: Due to the increased risk and logistics effort required, 0.0 should be more - not as - profitable (in raw isk/h) t |
Xbox360clock
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 06:45:00 -
[2385]
Edited by: Xbox360clock on 18/07/2010 06:45:20 Supported, Fix it in this order
1. Lag
2. UPDATE THE SOUNDS MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN THE SAME SINCE 2004
3. Bring back the old cyno effects =D
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Tobais Kai
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Posted - 2010.07.18 07:14:00 -
[2386]
A lot of people want things fixed, but no one is explaining how these things are broken.
One common example I'm seeing is claims of PI being broken because new players can use it. How is this a bad thing? The market used to seed items automatically. In order to meet demand, players now have the option to produce those very same products.
What about the production UI? It's not perfect; there are certainly small changes that I could see working. For example, instead of creating multiple filters for corp, alliance and public, they could be configured with different colours, or giving individual players outside of alliances the ability to rent slots, but those might not fit into the grand scheme CCP has set up. Other than that I'd say it's close to perfect as it could be.
What bugs are there with factional warfare? Once again, I woulden't call it perfect based on the rewards, and perhaps from a story perspective it's not perfect because more players prefer active armor hardeners to faction webs and passive armor hardeners, but the system works.
I agree that many of the bones we've been tossed have felt lacking, but I don't think they've necessarily been hollow shells. Planetary Interaction gets criticized for the "That's it?" style of game play it has, but that's not a fault of PI, but more the expectations of the players. On the other hand, Incarna has been identified as an eyecandy feature which might earn an expansion of players from the likes of Microsoft V-Chat, Moove or IMVU, while evading the issues brought forward by a core group of eve players, among them being lag, or the issues created with the introduction of the new sov warfare system. But CCP can only work at the pace that their research data allows - keep connecting to those Sisi test fleets you miserable jackasses!
As an aside, I wonder how many 0.0 players, commonly viewed as a minority of players, actually run Empire alts. I'd put the number at a third to a half. Based on the CSM's results where virtual no-names representing nullsec alliances are instantly propelled into the CSM superstardom, I'm not sure I'm far off.
One area I'd like to see figured out is COSMOS agent rewards, and perhaps a re-balancing of faction reward distribution. Yes, I know the Gallente didn't "invent" microwarpdrives, but Japan didn't invent automobiles, either.
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Koshedei
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Posted - 2010.07.18 12:56:00 -
[2387]
Signed |
Uphnir
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Posted - 2010.07.18 14:35:00 -
[2388]
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Liare
Grid Square Removal System Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 16:29:00 -
[2389]
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ovenproofjet
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:19:00 -
[2390]
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Gataga
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:21:00 -
[2391]
Finish Everything Before you Add more
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Murderers Apprentice
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:23:00 -
[2392]
Edited by: Murderers Apprentice on 18/07/2010 18:23:20 old cyno plz!
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Yggdrassill Yeltsin
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:37:00 -
[2393]
This is a timely and well thought out post.
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Xiang Jiao
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:43:00 -
[2394]
Polish your turd before you try to squeeze out three more (Incarna, Dust514, WoD), and don't forget to wipe your ass.
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Yggdrassill Yeltsin
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:53:00 -
[2395]
Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin This is a timely and well thought out post.
LITTLE THUMB PICTURE
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Shimokurasaka
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 20:42:00 -
[2396]
Supported 100%
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ChaoticDemon
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Posted - 2010.07.18 21:44:00 -
[2397]
I would really like to see a expansion that fixes/improves things already in game I approve this thread
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Saean
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Posted - 2010.07.18 21:53:00 -
[2398]
Fix stuff and stop adding more broken stuff Please show invention some love. |
Shiakai
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Posted - 2010.07.18 21:58:00 -
[2399]
It's time for action CCP.
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Shiakai
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Posted - 2010.07.18 21:59:00 -
[2400]
Originally by: Shiakai It's time for action CCP.
This time with thumb.
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Iron Eagle
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 22:25:00 -
[2401]
This is pathetic, CCP spends most their time on 2 things that the played of their only "real income" don't want. Tbh they need to put 50% of the devs working on bugs/lag/and ******ed things like that....not making Incarna aka "WOW Online"..
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DrGreenthumb UnceUnce
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Posted - 2010.07.18 22:27:00 -
[2402]
Supported 100%
Originally by: Iron Eagle This is pathetic, CCP spends most their time on 2 things that the played of their only "real income" don't want. Tbh they need to put 50% of the devs working on bugs/lag/and ******ed things like that....not making Incarna aka "WOW Online"..
I agree it is ******ed
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APOLL0S
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Posted - 2010.07.19 01:03:00 -
[2403]
Agreed
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CtrlFreak
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Posted - 2010.07.19 01:29:00 -
[2404]
I would rather fly a well maintained ship into in combat then have my guns jam when it really counts.
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Prime FLux
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Posted - 2010.07.19 02:12:00 -
[2405]
100% supported!
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aehric
Fat Raptor Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.19 09:23:00 -
[2406]
I agree completely.
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Stoogie
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2010.07.19 10:13:00 -
[2407]
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Teddie Johnson
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Posted - 2010.07.19 10:38:00 -
[2408]
Quote from CCP Zulu's Devblog:
Quote: CSM you say?
Like many of you, I have read the meeting minutes from the CSM 5 meetings in Reykjavik last month. To be completely up-front about it, I have to say Iæm quite taken aback by the difference in the meeting minutes compared to my firsthand experience from attending the meetings.
Obviously CCP just doesn't get it. CCP = Steve Jobs and the iPhone 4 antenna issue = the Democrats in the US Congress.
CCP, please fix rockets. Fix FW. Fix PI. Fix lag. Fix your preconceptions of how well you're doing and look at this from our point of view. When lag is so bad in a fleet fight that I have time between gun cycles to walk outside and smoke a cig, something is wrong!
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Brother Kasimir
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Posted - 2010.07.19 10:44:00 -
[2409]
Originally by: Teddie Johnson
Obviously CCP just doesn't get it. CCP = Steve Jobs and the iPhone 4 antenna issue = the Democrats in the US Congress.
CCP, please fix rockets. Fix FW. Fix PI. Fix lag. Fix your preconceptions of how well you're doing and look at this from our point of view. When lag is so bad in a fleet fight that I have time between gun cycles to walk outside and smoke a cig, something is wrong!
Yes CCP. We = or or or or . Some of us have even gotten to .
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Dave Havok
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 12:15:00 -
[2410]
Edited by: Dave Havok on 19/07/2010 12:14:46 I completely agree.
You'll get more subscribers by fixing what's broken rather than introducing "exciting" new features that only keep us entertained for a few weeks.
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Ricky Rio
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Posted - 2010.07.19 12:50:00 -
[2411]
agree
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PKlavins
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.19 12:51:00 -
[2412]
It'd be nice if this 81-page threadnaught had any effect... but it's doubtful. Anyhow, I support the idea of CCP concentrating on fixes, rather than new shinies... we have plenty of new shiny, which just needs fixing/improving.
The new 7.5km web = web + scram = "Wamble".
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C7P9
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.19 14:33:00 -
[2413]
Supporting without much hopes.
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Rhak Amharr
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.19 14:33:00 -
[2414]
Surprisingly same.
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Kallehd
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:46:00 -
[2415]
Supported!
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mono ton
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:46:00 -
[2416]
+1
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mirage658584
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:47:00 -
[2417]
supported
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Arakkis Melanogaster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.19 19:32:00 -
[2418]
supportin dis fwiw |
AngryMusheen
Kool-Aid Nation Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:32:00 -
[2419]
been playing off and on since 2003. Expansions are great but it is time to polish off things that have been half-baked for years.
Assault Frigs POS/Corp permissions Rockets! T3 invention T3 balancing Treaties/Sov (though I'm not a nullsec dweller, it is important) fixing lowsec changing L5's so we aren't asked to take pimped pve ships into shark territory
could go on and on.
Good post Dierda!
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Hedda Hopper
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:33:00 -
[2420]
+1
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KrustyKrab
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:33:00 -
[2421]
/signed
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BufordT Justice
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:34:00 -
[2422]
+1
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Jita Militant
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:35:00 -
[2423]
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Mr Kintaro
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:36:00 -
[2424]
+1
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GankuVerymuch
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Posted - 2010.07.20 02:02:00 -
[2425]
Edited by: GankuVerymuch on 20/07/2010 02:02:10 cmon CCP PI blows and you know it. just look at the price of robotics now. +1
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.20 08:56:00 -
[2426]
This still deserves to be on top. _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well! |
Hubert Vanderildt
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Posted - 2010.07.20 11:20:00 -
[2427]
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Jahpahjay
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Posted - 2010.07.20 12:47:00 -
[2428]
100% supported. I will say, though, that I think CCP's reasoning is that they want to get other features, that they seem to have their hearts set on, into eve, and THEN work on what they perceive to be minor problems. Their style is that of an artist--roughly sketch in the main parts of the drawing. Then after you get the whole layout, you go back in for fine detail. The problem with this particular philosophy is that we are interacting with and existing, albeit virtually, within this world.
There needs to be a much higher level of polish to be comfortably habitable by eve's citizens/patrons.
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Caldaridude123
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Posted - 2010.07.20 15:06:00 -
[2429]
Originally by: C7P9 Supporting without much hopes.
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handbanana
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Posted - 2010.07.20 15:41:00 -
[2430]
Edited by: handbanana on 20/07/2010 15:41:45 Supported, but CCP has pretty much proven the CSM is irrelevant to their development process. I fear that only if they start getting a lot of bad press, or subscriptions drop substantially will they finally start to "get it".
Originally by: CCP excellence..
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Sydian Rie
Black Aces AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.07.20 16:32:00 -
[2431]
Make this game great again!
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.20 16:59:00 -
[2432]
If it needs a radical change in the way CCP is planning their next 18 months then so be it. I think the player base is fed up with half-finished expansions that never get touched after release. CCP need to seriously consider allocating ongoing significant developer resources to finishing content to an excellent standard.
Supported.
Join the Revolution!
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rajjkar
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:22:00 -
[2433]
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Donblas42
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:25:00 -
[2434]
Seriously.
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Seith Silverstein
Something Rotten
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:52:00 -
[2435]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave I am literally the internet
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Mali Noora
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Posted - 2010.07.20 21:17:00 -
[2436]
I'm really glad that this topic has been addressed!! Full support here!
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Galatea Rohan
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Posted - 2010.07.20 21:22:00 -
[2437]
The bugs and other issues need to be worked out of the Existing game before CCP introduces new bugs . . . er, "Content" . . .
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Galatea Rohan
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Posted - 2010.07.20 21:25:00 -
[2438]
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Mali Noora
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Posted - 2010.07.20 21:26:00 -
[2439]
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Kabaal S'sylistha
Nerf Herders Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.07.20 21:37:00 -
[2440]
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Aluin Chaput
Sacred Templars Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.20 22:49:00 -
[2441]
And put some actual resources into the current game, why don't ya!
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Malcom Dax
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:42:00 -
[2442]
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Rachel Mcclish
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Posted - 2010.07.21 01:30:00 -
[2443]
The reviews are in. The populace demands excellence! |
Shakzen K'am
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Posted - 2010.07.21 05:37:00 -
[2444]
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Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.21 14:43:00 -
[2445]
Edited by: Drifnir on 21/07/2010 14:44:18 I'll take a large _Excellence_ with a side of awesome. Hold the Dust, please.
Seriously...Eve has had two 'meh' expansions, one with extra lag, and one with all-you-can-stomach clicking.
Time to change that, CCP...The goodwill you'd earned with QR Apocrypha etc, has been spent, now it's time to earn it back. Now you're 'just' another software developer, not the friendly, neighborhood awesome factory you used to be. Please change my mind, i beg of you...i want to believe, but i do require proof you're worth my time and money.
Alliance Tourney VIII was pretty damn cool, though. Keep that going, at all costs.
Gi' Mig En Tudekiks, Nu!
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.07.21 15:19:00 -
[2446]
Supported, and agreed to.
I wonder if anyone has sent this thread/content to MMORPG.com?
Perhaps its time we had some outside visibility on what the issues are, and why this is important.
it seems to me that CCP wants to add new expansions to gain player base. If the potential new player base understands that CCP is not listening to its current players, and that there are a lot of "broken features", perhaps it will make a dent on their strategy to "gain new players"?
Just a thought, but I dont think we're going to get a response until outside pressure starts to build too.
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Marian SIlverkin
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Posted - 2010.07.21 15:29:00 -
[2447]
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Phoenix IV
Shocked On Sight
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:59:00 -
[2448]
I agree. |
Enal Angus
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Posted - 2010.07.21 21:46:00 -
[2449]
In software engineering there's a thing called gold-plating (costly polishing the client didn't order). The line between excellence and gold-plating is extremely thin, but it all mounts up to:
- release new feature. - fix until client thinks it's good.
versus
- fix until coder thinks it's good. - release new feature
It would seem CCP has mixed up the two. Or actually, they've mixed up "release new feature; ignore results" with "excellence".
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Zelseus
The Independant Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:15:00 -
[2450]
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2010.07.21 23:17:00 -
[2451]
+1
My wish would be: give all existing features a purpose. Polish them till they are able to fullfill their meaningfull purpose.
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YouKnowYouWannaDoIt
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Posted - 2010.07.21 23:52:00 -
[2452]
/signed. CCP, fix the damn game already!
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Rebecca Buck
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Posted - 2010.07.22 01:31:00 -
[2453]
I've been waiting a long time for you to fix the simple things CCP.
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Anjelus
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Posted - 2010.07.22 01:45:00 -
[2454]
STRONGLY supported.
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Kireiina
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Posted - 2010.07.22 03:13:00 -
[2455]
Do they honestly believe Incarna is going bring new people to Eve when once they leave the "dress-up chat room" they're going to run into a lot of gameplay that needs a lot of work?
They might well get given a frigate with rockets, they may wonder why Faction War isn't more fun, they may well wonder why a stagnant 0.0 means a lot of corporations see no reason to recruit and train new players (aggravated by the lack of treaties). They might wonder why a 6 year old game has so few PvE missions that they're seeing repeats in their first couple of days? They might wonder why the Epic quest leaves people with a "why did I bother?" feeling. Perhaps they'll look at the idea of spending 25 million isk and days of gaming time to master learning skills and wonder how that counts as fun?
There's no point in adding "bags on the side" if the core isn't healthy, fun and evolving.
/supported.
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Teva Tredwell
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Posted - 2010.07.22 05:00:00 -
[2456]
Please put your money where your mouth is.
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Anna Weston
Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2010.07.22 11:09:00 -
[2457]
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Diosas
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Posted - 2010.07.22 12:12:00 -
[2458]
after 85 pages and over 2000 support - whats the betting that CCP totally ignore this and dont listen? - as usual
Assembly hall and CSM waste of time...sorry i speak the truth
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Little K
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.07.22 12:18:00 -
[2459]
Originally by: Diosas after 85 pages and over 2000 support - whats the betting that CCP totally ignore this and dont listen? - as usual
Assembly hall and CSM waste of time...sorry i speak the truth
Indeed... the saad sad truth
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Levistus Junior
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.22 14:04:00 -
[2460]
Supported.
I doubt it makes any difference, as lately CCP seems to 'know better' what's currently going on in the game and what the playerbase wants, so they ignore the community voice at large, but one has the right to hope.
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Ununtrium
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Posted - 2010.07.23 00:39:00 -
[2461]
Supported. Keep hope alive.
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Krilgen Bex
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Posted - 2010.07.23 01:13:00 -
[2462]
It's time.
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.23 03:04:00 -
[2463]
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Garen Ragnek
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.23 12:40:00 -
[2464]
Signed |
FlightGlobal
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Posted - 2010.07.23 15:18:00 -
[2465]
Total agreement.
You can't expand if what U have doesn't work.
Stop the sidelines (ambulation/consol fps) and instead of trying to recruit new gamers FIX THE GAME FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY SPEND MONEY TO PLAY IT NOW.
Apart from anything else- what is going to happen if all these new things have their desired effect and suddenly we have peaks of 75k or even 100k. Eve lag happens now at 50k
CCP FIX YOUR FIRST GAME BEFORE YOU START LOOSING YOUR CORE PLAYER BASE!!!
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Lilou Dallas
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.23 17:46:00 -
[2466]
Bumping this incredibly important proposal.
Come on CCP, work with us! Please!
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Ekoplex Vherokior
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Posted - 2010.07.23 17:46:00 -
[2467]
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.07.23 20:34:00 -
[2468]
Yes, it is always fail when CCP announces something, then it comes time to deliver and we get some watered down POS that does crap half of what it was supposed to do and has lots of problems/bugs.
PS: 5 minute time delay is so overdue to be gone, gee CCP still couldn't get anyone to tackle that eh?
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Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.24 14:51:00 -
[2469]
bumpage I sure hope CCP is listening and the chutzpah to follow through on some badly needed polish work.
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Nurahdin
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:47:00 -
[2470]
+10
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alloutofbubblegum
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Posted - 2010.07.24 21:42:00 -
[2471]
I wanted to post on this thread with an account that will no longer be renewing subscription because of the pile of broken features.
And now I have.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.25 01:07:00 -
[2472]
Man, I'm not sure if you guys at CCP are paying attention, but it looks like your players don't care about Incarna and Dust as much as you hoped, or do...it almost...ALMOST looks like they want your attention spent on other issues..I don't know, I've been wrong before...but I have a feeling about this.
But hey, its your paycheck, ruin it anyway you want.
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Brutus B
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Posted - 2010.07.25 06:25:00 -
[2473]
Originally by: Grath Telkin Man, I'm not sure if you guys at CCP are paying attention, but it looks like your players don't care about Incarna and Dust as much as you hoped, or do...it almost...ALMOST looks like they want your attention spent on other issues..I don't know, I've been wrong before...but I have a feeling about this.
But hey, its your paycheck, ruin it anyway you want.
Should it be pointed out that Dust isn't being made for EVE players. I mean, if EVE players want to play with Dust great, if not, fine. It's targeting a different demo on a different plateform.
Incarna, also, will likely bring back old players that left eve because they anticpated WIS much sooner, and left EVE in protest. Also, if Incaran is done right, I think they are hoping to appeal more to a female audience which might increase their subscription base.
WOD whenever it comes out, won't be targeting anyone who is currently playing eve or dust at the time, though it will be open to them, it will be focused on creating a new market/player base for CCP..
If those products are successful, Dust, and WOD could double/tripple CCP's revenue. No game company can expect to survive off a single game forever. The fact that CCP has survived on EVE alone for so long is remarkable. And CCP is smart to diversify while EVE still has a robust subscriber base. Hopefully, EVE as at least as many years ahead as it does behind it. But, you don't hang your hat up on hope in business. Instead, you make plans, and create you own opportunities for growth, and CCP's best way to reach brand new customers is to develop new games.
To retain old customers, of course they should continue balancing, and they should fix bugs, and keep interest in eve high by adding new content to it and tweaking current in game features. And they do that, as those things become available. Every patch is all about that, and every major expansion has some patch like adjustments. Just because there is no major emphasis on it, doesn't mean there isn't a team or two taksed with working on performance/debugging/exploit/balance issues. SOMEONE at CCP is ALWAYS working on those issues.
I think the whole CSM minutes thing was miscommunicated, and was misunderstood very badly. And while the fallout might be a good kick in the ass for CCP to bump up some issues they've qued up forever ago; but a lot of bull**** is getting thrown in for good measure. IT would be bad for everyone if every bad idea that appears on these forums stuck to this issue as needed "improvements" to lowsec/nullsec, etc.
PS: If you want to know what DEV's are saying, and paying attention to, use the Dev Finder featuer on this website, and you will get shortcut links to all of their forum posts.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:16:00 -
[2474]
Originally by: Brutus B
Originally by: Grath Telkin Man, I'm not sure if you guys at CCP are paying attention, but it looks like your players don't care about Incarna and Dust as much as you hoped, or do...it almost...ALMOST looks like they want your attention spent on other issues..I don't know, I've been wrong before...but I have a feeling about this.
But hey, its your paycheck, ruin it anyway you want.
Should it be pointed out that Dust isn't being made for EVE players. I mean, if EVE players want to play with Dust great, if not, fine. It's targeting a different demo on a different platform.
That's a very reasonable point but it should also be remembered that Dust isn't making them any money. Investing income from EVE to develop other EVE-related games is fine, it's a good basic strategy and I think CCP are smart to do it.
But neglecting the source of their income - and tarnishing the core game on which these others depend* - yeah, not so smart.
MMOs are about investment, The player invests his time, effort and emotional energy in to the game, because MMOs reward that. Threaten that investment by neglecting bugs that compromise gameplay and leave players with the perception that things will only get worse, and what do you have? A UI that makes us all nostalgic for Windows For Workgroups, and a RTS miningame with NPC AI that would make the guys who programmed Doom go "meh".
* Make no mistake, Dust's success absolutely depends on EVE continuing to thrive. If CCP refocus on polishing EVE, then I'm mildly optimistic about Dust. I don't think it will ever really challenge Halo or the other top-tier games, but it could give CCP a steady second income without cannibalizing their existing players. I know CCP said that Dust can work without EVE, but take away the EVE connection and what do you have left? Just another late to the party console shooter that has to compete against the likes of Halokind, which has an annual advertising budget equal to about 3 years of CCP's turnover, and a huge established player-base.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Veldah
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Posted - 2010.07.25 12:56:00 -
[2475]
A post of excellence right there.
Is CCP striving to become like Blizzard? Make games for cash and not for players. But wait ... Blizz doesn't release half baked stuff.
I have many concerns about the game and currently the only thing that keeps me playing are awesome people I've met in the game.
My main concern is the UI as this is where the interaction with the game starts. It is trurly dreadful ... worst UI of all games of all time. You should get a award for the dreadful UI of yours CCP. First of all the dreaded clicking. Redesign it so that more than half of the commands can be issued from the keyboard. Do you want mass RSI epidemic? Who's gonna play the game then ...
Ergonomy is on its ass and crying. Lack of customization whatsoever. Why cannot we place whatever we want wherever we want? Its like using windows 1.0 while the current standard is linux with compiz or the like.
Why can't I remove the toolbar from the left or place it on top, bottom, or the left side. Why cannot you implement a feature that displays everyone who's jamming me and what kind of stuff is coming at me. Why can't I place my targets like on the sides or totally redesign module placement.
I mean cmoooooooooooooooon, there is so much wrong with the UI only that I don't know where to start.
CCP, no sweet PR bull**** nor honey glazed marketing talk will blind your players. Your playersbase is not stupid and you will start losing them if you don't stop fake sugar icing and start fixing the game according to our feedback.
More to come ...
Dierdra Vaal, I salute you.
Full support.
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Caratacos
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Posted - 2010.07.25 14:08:00 -
[2476]
I'll love you whatever you do, CCP.
But it would be pretty cool if some of the features in that old mmo you were working on, EVE, got another look. That would be extra special.
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angulion
Five Level Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:05:00 -
[2477]
Supported 100%!
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Brutus B
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:54:00 -
[2478]
Originally by: Veldah A post of excellence right there.
My main concern is the UI as this is where the interaction with the game starts. It is trurly dreadful ... worst UI of all games of all time. You should get a award for the dreadful UI of yours CCP. First of all the dreaded clicking. Redesign it so that more than half of the commands can be issued from the keyboard. Do you want mass RSI epidemic? Who's gonna play the game then ...
Ergonomy is on its ass and crying. Lack of customization whatsoever. Why cannot we place whatever we want wherever we want? Its like using windows 1.0 while the current standard is linux with compiz or the like.
Why can't I remove the toolbar from the left or place it on top, bottom, or the left side. Why cannot you implement a feature that displays everyone who's jamming me and what kind of stuff is coming at me. Why can't I place my targets like on the sides or totally redesign module placement.
Full support.
IF you're talking about PI clicking, you may have a point that it could use some hotkeys, etc., but the game I play lets me avoid clicking in terms of activitating mods on my ship. You can even set some drone commands onto hotkeys, though this part could be improved. You can even control ship speed using hotkeys. (Though I don't think you can change directions using them currently.) And I get to see "what's coming after me" on my overview, because I see if they are using a scam, or disruptor, or ecm, or dampner, or vamp, or nuet.... it's there in the overview. If you're not seeing that, your playing eve wrong! :-D
I do wish they'd allow camera control for the dir keys, this would be great for precise directional scanning, and a method to hit the scan without clicking. And they could use secondary number keys for changing direction by artificially double clicking the related corner of the screen for you. So, your point is not without merit.
But, EVE has such a massively open interface, that you can't absoultely hotkey everything and allow ppl to still talk trash in local. I've actually done some work on control mapping before to suit my own expectations for other games with ****ty controls. And from that hobby-level learning experience, I'm pretty sure you would have to instance the market, and assets, and all that other crap, instead of intergrating them ontop of the primary UI if players want a hot key for absolutely every possible command in the game. And I'm not sure players would like that option any better than the current one since multi-tasking is a regularity in eve.
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mayefaerie
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Posted - 2010.07.25 19:41:00 -
[2479]
Supported.
I want my SPACE SHIP GAME to work properly, I dont give a rats about the planets.
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Soleil Fournier
UNFAITHFUL SHADOWS
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Posted - 2010.07.25 23:23:00 -
[2480]
CCP need to absolutely take a step back and look at things.
Dominion was a flop - There has been very little 00 space changing hands since dominion was released. There has been no alliance sprawl reduction, which was a key goal. Treaties were not introduced, which are a critical component. The promised "Continuous Improvements to the system" are not happening.
That isn't excellence to me, regardless of the number of resources allocated.
Faction Warfare, Lowsec, and Fixing the problems in 00 once and for all should be 3 high priorities of CCP, yet we don't see them prioritized at all.
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Perrigrene
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:08:00 -
[2481]
What we've all seen has been confirmed in the most awesome minutes ever posted on a series of tubes.
CCP doesn't care about the CSM and hence players concerns or ideas, they are merely filler when the direction CCP takes goes that way AND *IF* it isn't too hard/complicated/costly/fits with what they want/etc they *MIGHT* do it.
That's all we get, for all the time and effort of all the ideas/suggestions players have come up with, worked on etc that is all their efforts are 'worth' to CCP.
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Arbet Klallam
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:47:00 -
[2482]
Supported 100%.
Please fix my spaceships.
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Savion Marquis
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:48:00 -
[2483]
+1
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Harris Dorn
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:04:00 -
[2484]
Supported.
Well developed content that isn't rushed to make a deadline worked on by a sufficient number of people so that they don't feel they are being forced to make it work no matter what or compromise on the quality of their work would be great. Otherwise why bother hiring people with experience as the jobs they are looking to fill are, just hire anybody and put them to work making whatever thing they can crank out in the time frame you give them.
I'll be the first to move to Iceland collect 3 free accounts and put together a broken component of the game for a paycheck.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:18:00 -
[2485]
I'm totally running for the next CSM.
Talk about a free trip to Iceland with no strings attached. CCP came right out and said they aren't working on Eve for over a year.
Nothing left to do but get drunk in a beautiful country with a group of guys that love eve as much as you do and would try to fix it if their bosses let them.
--- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved |
Tau'ViRee
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:23:00 -
[2486]
And my axe!
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Kireiina
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:53:00 -
[2487]
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 10:27:00 -
[2488]
:up:
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CynoAlt 8675309
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Posted - 2010.07.27 16:35:00 -
[2489]
This thread will not die!
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islador
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Posted - 2010.07.27 18:56:00 -
[2490]
Most definitely supported, take a note from blizzard, theres a reason they dominate every market they step into.
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Apollo Gabriel
Domini Lex Talionis Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:49:00 -
[2491]
Support. Signature Starts Below: Don't let the trolls, keep you from your goals. |
TheStarman
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:57:00 -
[2492]
Get your **** together CCP.
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Anne Archer
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:32:00 -
[2493]
It' way past time fix the years old features that were never implemented correctly.
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Rawbone
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:52:00 -
[2494]
Supported
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Death Nova
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:53:00 -
[2495]
The current features in the game need TLC. If CCP does not realize how they have failed us in quality there will be some major issues to fix, maybe even the exodus of players.
I do not want this to be over looked.
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Hurricane Carter
0ccam's Razor
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:17:00 -
[2496]
totally supported.
Finish what you start, before trotting off to go do other stuff !
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Alvar Kesh
Ealurian Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:59:00 -
[2497]
+1
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khei
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:41:00 -
[2498]
Joining page 84 of the "vocal minority". |
Sloth Arnini
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:45:00 -
[2499]
Supporting this. I am another of the vocal minority upset about the apparent lack of commitment to fixing the part of the game that I play in (specifically nullsec and alliance conflicts).
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Nateryl
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:38:00 -
[2500]
Support given
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Dr Valeri
Majesta Development Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:40:00 -
[2501]
Supported!
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Prannon
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:02:00 -
[2502]
Supported
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Teela Stardancer
The Institute for Posterior Health and Awareness
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:12:00 -
[2503]
Supported but sadly unless everyone posting in this thread stops actually paying their subs I doubt there will be any change to the current plan
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LeviUK
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.28 17:17:00 -
[2504]
100% supported.
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LeoQueen
The Pudding Club
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:39:00 -
[2505]
Heres to hoping CCP will consider this post
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keuel
Imperium .H.E.M.P.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:51:00 -
[2506]
supported. CCP needs to fix some features, balance some ships/modules, fix graphs, lag. I¦d rather have a new patch full of balances and fixes then with with shiny new and "broken" content. |
Pipecock Jackxon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:53:00 -
[2507]
Supported!
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cotcodac
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:11:00 -
[2508]
Supported! |
Shikome Alluin
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:15:00 -
[2509]
Excellent OP!
Supported! o/ Aloha mr Hand |
Kirja
R.U.S.H Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:46:00 -
[2510]
Edited by: Kirja on 28/07/2010 20:46:15 YES, please!
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InventMe
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:13:00 -
[2511]
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Zia Aiz
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:16:00 -
[2512]
Edited by: Zia Aiz on 28/07/2010 21:17:56 Thumbs up. Might wanna look into this ccp, it's a lot of pages with thumbs up in here.
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Evil Punk
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:24:00 -
[2513]
Supported
Stop the rot please CCP, happy to sub for many years just need stuff to work!
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:44:00 -
[2514]
+1/supported
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Tribe
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Magnus Orin
United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:48:00 -
[2515]
Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
krickettt
ldiocracy Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.07.28 22:40:00 -
[2516]
+1 kthnx.
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Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse True Reign
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Posted - 2010.07.29 00:03:00 -
[2517]
Yes please to CCP taking some notice of the way the players have wanted them to develop the game all along.
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Darriele
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
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Posted - 2010.07.29 06:23:00 -
[2518]
100% |
Container Storage
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Posted - 2010.07.29 06:48:00 -
[2519]
Edited by: Container Storage on 29/07/2010 06:48:41 You do better than before ccp, that is sure, but here a little of still broken/forgotten thing:
1. Cosmos 2. This post: Release notes for fiction changes Promised update every few week ? 1.2 year without new after the first post. 3.Interbus station and lp store, these people have been waiting long enough for you to fufill your promise 4. Once upon a time, french people had a traducted tutorial. Then someday ccp decided to change the tutorial and pomised a traduction soon... Yeah, right 5. Alliance/public acces to hangar, production line and laboratory.
I support this thread and im proud of it
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Valadeya uthanaras
GK inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 13:19:00 -
[2520]
New features are getting old when everything else is breaking down
If only ccp realise how much balance and polishing improve their game way more than new feature, like the bomber upgrade or the titan change ... compared to half baked, half served, half working dominion sov system or the half useless PI
And there is so many proposal about modifying the "CURRENT" eve in term of balancing and mechanic that would be a lot more usefull than anything Incarna will release as "NEW FEATURE"
Supported
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Doom Nightmare
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Posted - 2010.07.29 13:25:00 -
[2521]
/Signed
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Quake Abuse
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.07.29 17:23:00 -
[2522]
if only ccp actually listened .......
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Sarina Berghil
New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2010.07.29 17:55:00 -
[2523]
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Galandrius Malkin
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.29 19:20:00 -
[2524]
Yes please.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.07.29 19:48:00 -
[2525]
Excellence is a good thing. Hard not to support this, even though it is a bit populistic.
So thumbs up.
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Redker Shalba
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.07.29 20:42:00 -
[2526]
Yes, please.
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comrade christopher
Pink Bunnies
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:01:00 -
[2527]
Signed, altho I see very little chance that CCP would listen to their playerbase, now that they have their new cool Marketing Managers
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Deliora May
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:20:00 -
[2528]
Signed and supported for all it is worth Deliora May
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Belloche
Heaven's Avatars Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:42:00 -
[2529]
Supported
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Tamarant
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:08:00 -
[2530]
/signed
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:15:00 -
[2531]
/signed
--------------------------------------------- Yes this is my alt. and you're reading my sig |
Oya Mando
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:42:00 -
[2532]
It's all been said, NOW DO EXCELLENCE
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Inka Kaoru
The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:52:00 -
[2533]
/Signed.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.30 03:13:00 -
[2534]
/signed
CCP, stop putting out more and more half-finished features until you finish fixing the ones you already have. -----------
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TheZealot 0OOO0
There's Something About Zealots...
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:38:00 -
[2535]
"It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better then new features"
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 8/13/2010 1:43:42 AM
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Candaan
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:14:00 -
[2536]
Agreed.
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Icebok
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:27:00 -
[2537]
Please CCP. Please!
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Suitonia
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:35:00 -
[2538]
I hope CCPs marketing department gets a clue. ---
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:45:00 -
[2539]
Originally by: TheZealot 0OOO0 "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better then new features"
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 8/13/2010 1:43:42 AM
About the same here, see you in 18 months+, I guess.
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Mako Elukra
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:03:00 -
[2540]
Agee on Dierdra Vaal's thread ;-)
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Emydia
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:11:00 -
[2541]
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Brannor McThife
Brotherhood of the Ancients
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Posted - 2010.07.30 11:13:00 -
[2542]
In favour. Quality over quantity.
-G
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Kimmel Popf
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Posted - 2010.07.30 14:26:00 -
[2543]
seriously, can't be bothered to wait 18 months until stuff gets fixed...
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radix29
Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.30 14:40:00 -
[2544]
+1
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Captain Muscles
Clan Farthammer
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Posted - 2010.07.30 15:12:00 -
[2545]
____________________ Captain Muscles sez:
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Dabljuh
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Posted - 2010.07.30 17:57:00 -
[2546]
Suggested name for the next expansion: Fixthegameion
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Maudad
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Posted - 2010.07.30 18:42:00 -
[2547]
Agreed for all the good it will do.
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Megan Maynard
Rep-X
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Posted - 2010.07.30 19:18:00 -
[2548]
This needs to get to over 100 pages.
VOTE NOW!
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down.
Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S |
studious
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Posted - 2010.07.30 20:27:00 -
[2549]
Wake up CCP, look at the ridulous amount of support this is getting in a forum only a tiny % of players go.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 07:40:00 -
[2550]
In honour of this thread, I made a sig a few days back:
It probably doesn't meet the requirements of this forum, but feel free to use it wherever else you like.
Oh, and I know it's a few pages out of date. Sorry about that, I might get around to updating it in about 18 months.
/Ben
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Kate McCann
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Posted - 2010.07.31 08:21:00 -
[2551]
Edited by: Kate McCann on 31/07/2010 08:20:52
Originally by: TheZealot 0OOO0 "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better then new features"
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 8/13/2010 1:43:42 AM
Same here, see you in 18+ months.
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quave
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.07.31 10:52:00 -
[2552]
Edited by: quave on 31/07/2010 10:56:11 Got nothing to say that hasn't already been said (and said better than anything i could ever hope to babble out.) other than this gets my full support.
edit: and with better spelling too
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SpaceSavage
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:48:00 -
[2553]
Support this. _______________
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Adam 5trange
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:57:00 -
[2554]
Supported.
And I only had to log in to these shoddy forums 3 times before I could say that. |
Nerevar Dwemor
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:29:00 -
[2555]
Because
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Kekswal
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:05:00 -
[2556]
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WarGod
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.31 22:50:00 -
[2557]
Quit letting standards drops just to have something to new advertise, it will / is coming back to f*ck you.
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Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
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Posted - 2010.07.31 23:03:00 -
[2558]
------------------------- "Forsys > WAR Forsys > HUH Forsys > WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR Harry Sunday > loot Forsys > touchT" |
Vikarion
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 02:14:00 -
[2559]
Not that they will listen to us, of course. - - -
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SgtZach
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Posted - 2010.08.01 06:56:00 -
[2560]
Edited by: SgtZach on 01/08/2010 07:01:06
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Arm Dinahk
Oroburus
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Posted - 2010.08.01 09:06:00 -
[2561]
Yes, I agree with this. |
Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.01 11:57:00 -
[2562]
I support this, no, I demand this!!!
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Dyvim Slorm
Jazz Associates
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Posted - 2010.08.01 13:03:00 -
[2563]
Supported
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Splut Woobs
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Posted - 2010.08.01 13:32:00 -
[2564]
Yes. |
Amadeaus
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:10:00 -
[2565]
supported!
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Laps3d P4cifist
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:43:00 -
[2566]
+1
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Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:46:00 -
[2567]
Oh yes please.. No more proclaiming to be "excellent" without actually defining what "excellence" is. |
Arklan1
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:29:00 -
[2568]
Edited by: Arklan1 on 01/08/2010 16:36:22 absolutely. sure, i want to see incarna for a laugh, and sut could be incredible. ...but if the game is in it's current state when those go live, the players that come for those new features will be dusgusted with the current state of affairs, and not stay, while those of us currently here keep leaving.
edited for spelling.
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CeneUJiti
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:42:00 -
[2569]
Be honest people, the very word "excellence" coming out of CCPs mouth sound mind boggling. We don't expect true excellence, and CCP is very certainly not capable of providing it.
All we want is that core aspects of EVE don't get completely abandoned for at least next two years, and that bugs and balance problems, both trivial and severe, have people working on them and real solutions in the pipe.
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Abuta Beki
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Posted - 2010.08.01 19:52:00 -
[2570]
More excellence supported
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Aelsthan
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Posted - 2010.08.01 22:16:00 -
[2571]
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Darth Kilth
M. Corp Academy
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Posted - 2010.08.01 22:31:00 -
[2572]
I support this.
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Aubrey Bloodsworth
Swapdisk Mayhem
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Posted - 2010.08.02 00:21:00 -
[2573]
I also support this. Don't spend time on making half assed crap, instead improve and fix the old features first.
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Ordavion
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Posted - 2010.08.02 01:06:00 -
[2574]
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DrvonNeuman
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Posted - 2010.08.02 04:38:00 -
[2575]
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Ruziel
Twilight Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2010.08.02 06:56:00 -
[2576]
Supported
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Jonathan Pryde
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.02 07:01:00 -
[2577]
I wholeheartedly agree with this proposal! Jonathan Pryde ATLAS Alliance |
Rokkas
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.02 07:59:00 -
[2578]
do it.
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Marcus Vorenius
Caldari Citadel Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.08.02 08:31:00 -
[2579]
could not agree more - some of the key success factors for Scrum are excellence in quality, transparency and continous communication _______________________ P3T Blog: Lessons Learned from New Eden |
Ma'kal
The Imperial Commonwealth Damage Control II
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Posted - 2010.08.02 08:55:00 -
[2580]
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HenkieBoy
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.02 10:06:00 -
[2581]
Yup
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Pur3Bl00D
Immortal Serial Killers
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Posted - 2010.08.02 11:12:00 -
[2582]
yeap, supported.
The devil lies in the details CCP, never forget that.
Its the small things that keep ppl in the game, not the shiny new armors. |
Louanne Barros
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.02 18:51:00 -
[2583]
Supported.
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Jalair Mukhali
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.02 18:52:00 -
[2584]
Supported. Quality, not quantity, CCP.
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vixeyy
Gallente Imperial Trade Federation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.08.03 05:26:00 -
[2585]
Get off your ass CCP and fix ****.... one of my closest friends quit today cause shes tired of dealing with all the **** thats come to past thanks to your poor level of management or interest in the matter.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.08.03 10:28:00 -
[2586]
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 03/08/2010 10:29:30
seems I already supported it :p http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.03 11:50:00 -
[2587]
CCP take a 6 months Bug fix and don't deliver us a new extension !
We want existing bug out no more new stuff !
You will no more attract people with extensions cause there is now too much bug active !
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Zverofaust
Gallente Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.08.03 12:32:00 -
[2588]
87 pages and not a peep from CCP. They obviously really care about their customers.
___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara |
Danika Princip
Hakugyokurou
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Posted - 2010.08.03 12:45:00 -
[2589]
Supported
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IDieAlotInGateCamps
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Posted - 2010.08.03 13:47:00 -
[2590]
87 pages!!! ^_^
Supported
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Vander Ballz
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Posted - 2010.08.03 13:57:00 -
[2591]
supported!
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Nanfoodle
Rise Rebel Resist
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Posted - 2010.08.03 13:59:00 -
[2592]
87 pages of cries for fixes and it all gets ignored. :(
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.08.03 15:02:00 -
[2593]
bleh
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Guilliman R
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.03 15:10:00 -
[2594]
Supported |
Almagar Phog
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.08.03 18:33:00 -
[2595]
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Tyr Aeron
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.03 21:37:00 -
[2596]
Edited by: Tyr Aeron on 03/08/2010 21:38:45 Well, a friend in UK pointed me to this article that explains exactly why EVE is being left to rot at the moment and why DUST is being jammed down our throats.
http://www.forexyard.com/en/news/Icelandic-tycoon-strikes-debt-deal-with-Deutsche-2010-07-22T150215Z-UPDATE-1
Basically, the profits from all of CCP's ventures are going to pay down one failed business man's HUGE debt. WE are the bail-out.
The CSM and every player in EVE can pound their fists and scream until they're blue in the face, but ultimately, the person who REALLY calls the shots is an incompetent idiot who was responsible for Iceland's financial colapse in 2008 and has managed to run several other companies into the ground as well.
I for one am tired of the smoke-screening and excuses from CCP and will not be renewing my subsriptions. Way to stay true to the dream CCP.
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Undertow Latheus
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Posted - 2010.08.04 01:11:00 -
[2597]
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Plamya
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.04 02:35:00 -
[2598]
Edited by: Plamya on 04/08/2010 02:35:31 Thanks a lot for PI (insert heavy sarcasm). I've been really lusting for a system that allows me to stare at a static image while I click the same button 100 times/day. Who needs garbage like COSMOS with it's unique missions and rewards.
It's been said that nothing will change until subscriber numbers start to suffer. I don't know about the rest of you, but if it gets bad enough that I have to quit (and I'm almost there), I am NEVER coming back. There won't be any second chances. We the player have put up with a lot because the game is based on some great ideas that can't really be found elsewhere. But if you continue screwing up the implementation, good ideas won't be enough to save the game in the end. Your competitors will catch on & catch up. There are other companies out there making good games, DON'T MAKE ME PLAY THEM!!
How big of a stake does that guy have in CCP anyway? The article doesn't say, but it seems like 100% by the way things are going. This reminds me of that douche Kotick from Activision, who started selling warcraft mounts to pay for his sexual harassment law suits.
I can think of a few bugs right off the top of my head that have been in the game since I've been playing, which is completely unacceptable. Fix long standing bugs. Fix lag. Fix socket closed. Finish & refine content that should have been finished years ago. I and everyone I know would much rather have these things than Incarna or any other new "feature".
+200% support. |
Limpeh Chobolan
m3 Corp R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.04 05:54:00 -
[2599]
Edited by: Limpeh Chobolan on 04/08/2010 05:56:07 Supported
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Orosono
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Posted - 2010.08.04 06:04:00 -
[2600]
Supported.
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Avalon Champion
Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.04 06:07:00 -
[2601]
Definately supported, I'd give up WIS and the winter expansion in favour of CCP fixing all the things they've done in a half-arsed manor.
What i would suggest the CSM do is push CCP to ask the community to vote for which features they see as most critical to fix over the next 18 months (one vote per account), and to commit to a realistic time scale to introduce the finished features.
It's time for CCP to take a step back and consolidate what they have before pushing on with the new features which more than likely will be introduced in a half arsed manner as seems to be the case over the last couple of years, and each expansion is even more half arsed than the last.
I would hope that CCP's senior (read CEO) personnel would have the respect to at least visit the next CSM meeting in person once per year, if only to get a feel for how the player base feels about things, rather than relying on 2nd and 3rd hand information from people that will say everything is ok when its not, which based on one of the Dev blogs seems to be the perception in the organisation.
Hopefully this threadnaught is being read by the CCP senior exec's and they start to grasp how the player base feels.
Finally, can the CSM push for a Fanfest meet the CEO open floor discussion with the fans so that we can let him know what we feel.
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Lars Erlkonig
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.08.04 12:14:00 -
[2602]
Edited by: Lars Erlkonig on 04/08/2010 12:14:07 I support efforts to fix/improve old features. Can we have a patch where the old features just get updated without introducing all these 1/2 finished new features?
Originally by: TWD We suck and Goonswarm are PvP gods.
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Eschola Moltis
Bionesis Technologies Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.08.04 16:02:00 -
[2603]
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wr3cks
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.04 16:09:00 -
[2604]
Originally by: Tyr Aeron Edited by: Tyr Aeron on 03/08/2010 21:38:45 Well, a friend in UK pointed me to this article that explains exactly why EVE is being left to rot at the moment and why DUST is being jammed down our throats.
http://www.forexyard.com/en/news/Icelandic-tycoon-strikes-debt-deal-with-Deutsche-2010-07-22T150215Z-UPDATE-1
Basically, the profits from all of CCP's ventures are going to pay down one failed business man's HUGE debt. WE are the bail-out.
The CSM and every player in EVE can pound their fists and scream until they're blue in the face, but ultimately, the person who REALLY calls the shots is an incompetent idiot who was responsible for Iceland's financial colapse in 2008 and has managed to run several other companies into the ground as well.
I for one am tired of the smoke-screening and excuses from CCP and will not be renewing my subsriptions. Way to stay true to the dream CCP.
Wow. Good find. Here's a working link, since, for some reason, yours now redirects to /null...
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DeftCrow Redriver
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Posted - 2010.08.04 21:26:00 -
[2605]
Supported. |
Valoric Liao
Ethos Mining and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.08.05 01:51:00 -
[2606]
Supported.
CCP: There are over 2500 posts in this thread alone. Perhaps it's time to pay attention?
Eve For Fun! - August 3rd: High-sec Shenanigans come to an end, and piracy is on t |
Tacolina
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Posted - 2010.08.05 02:14:00 -
[2607]
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Dr Topolex
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Posted - 2010.08.05 02:15:00 -
[2608]
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Rubber Biscuit
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Posted - 2010.08.05 03:27:00 -
[2609]
Supported
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Cuchulin
DEFCON. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.05 08:04:00 -
[2610]
First time I am losing my faith in CCP in over 4 years of playing this game...
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.05 10:13:00 -
[2611]
Originally by: wr3cks
Originally by: Tyr Aeron Edited by: Tyr Aeron on 03/08/2010 21:38:45 Well, a friend in UK pointed me to this article that explains exactly why EVE is being left to rot at the moment and why DUST is being jammed down our throats.
http://www.forexyard.com/en/news/Icelandic-tycoon-strikes-debt-deal-with-Deutsche-2010-07-22T150215Z-UPDATE-1
Basically, the profits from all of CCP's ventures are going to pay down one failed business man's HUGE debt. WE are the bail-out.
The CSM and every player in EVE can pound their fists and scream until they're blue in the face, but ultimately, the person who REALLY calls the shots is an incompetent idiot who was responsible for Iceland's financial colapse in 2008 and has managed to run several other companies into the ground as well.
I for one am tired of the smoke-screening and excuses from CCP and will not be renewing my subsriptions. Way to stay true to the dream CCP.
Wow. Good find. Here's a working link, since, for some reason, yours now redirects to /null...
CCP can you please react ?
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magistre
No Glory For Last
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Posted - 2010.08.05 10:43:00 -
[2612]
Edited by: magistre on 05/08/2010 10:43:01 Supported.
Oh yeah we definitly need ccp's benefits to pay some idiot's personnal debt :p
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Zebrew
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Posted - 2010.08.05 11:30:00 -
[2613]
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rootimus maximus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.05 14:06:00 -
[2614]
Originally by: Yeay Fritg
Originally by: wr3cks Wow. Good find. Here's a working link, since, for some reason, yours now redirects to /null...
CCP can you please react ?
Are you kidding? There's no way they react to that with anything other than PR doubletalk. Perhaps if they first buy out the guy's stake in the company, but even then it's unlikely. |
Gotta Fizz
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Posted - 2010.08.05 15:58:00 -
[2615]
Signed and supported by Gotta Fizz!!
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Ryeri Nixus
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:03:00 -
[2616]
+1
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:13:00 -
[2617]
88 page thread needs to turn 100 for celebrations. ___________
NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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Etemenankit
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:14:00 -
[2618]
Edited by: Etemenankit on 05/08/2010 16:15:06 +1 from me.
But in this form, it is, unfortunately, useless.
Give them RFC-s (request for changes). Instead of small examples, write exactly down, where the bugs are, and what the players want to get changed. With the petition in this form, you only give headaches to both parts. An engineer would say, ok, but it works as designed. Maybe he will change something, what he thinks is better for players. Then, it may turn out, that the players did not wanted to get it, because it brings more confusion, more problems then the old version. A programmer needs exactly what needs to be changed. Yes, there are people, who must decide, what changes will happen. You need to speak to them, and you need to make clear, what you (players) exactly want to get changed.
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Corelich
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:45:00 -
[2619]
Edited by: Corelich on 05/08/2010 20:44:44 +1
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Stray Bullets
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:51:00 -
[2620]
Supported
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Altaica Amur
The Elliance
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:53:00 -
[2621]
Supported
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HaulingFreezer
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Posted - 2010.08.06 12:03:00 -
[2622]
Supported!
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Troll Bridgington
Heavy Metal Machine.
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Posted - 2010.08.06 12:39:00 -
[2623]
Bumpercars
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2010.08.06 13:12:00 -
[2624]
Posting in an epic thread. Keep up the work.
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SlayerOfArgus
Gallente Hermes Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.08.07 04:41:00 -
[2625]
Bumping this to the top!
And yeah I support this hands down. Come on CCP put aside the antics for getting new players and fix all the things in this game that are done halfway. Yes it's a huge list but you got yourself into this mess in the first place...
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fishblades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.07 17:18:00 -
[2626]
Edited by: fishblades on 07/08/2010 17:19:47 Edited by: fishblades on 07/08/2010 17:18:09 35K players in the cluster right now and I can't login, I'm #300 in the queue. Surprise EvE is still a broken piece of **** with no sign from CCP that they care about their flagship.
haha it doesnt even give me any kind of message now. It just sits on the Authenticating screen.
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Riley Masterson
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Posted - 2010.08.07 17:51:00 -
[2627]
Yup, getting the same problem here. Guess I'll go do something else for a while... heck, I was pretty much only on the forums to see if I could figure out why I couldn't connect.
STATUS: UNKNOWN
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LoRDa RaMOs
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:58:00 -
[2628]
Maybe the solution is one fix/rebalancing/shiny new ships Expansion and one feature Expansion every year.
Since EVE has become such a monstruous mix of code and lag, this IS the way to go, or the game will die.
Anyway, Supported.! Commit to quality over quantity = Excellence.
Also, don't forget to attend the mass testing guys, interesting things are happening in SiSi
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Mr Lelantus
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:27:00 -
[2629]
Yes. Please fix the core before you pile more things on top of it. |
Mizram
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.08.08 10:26:00 -
[2630]
+1
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Sheu
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:04:00 -
[2631]
More support!
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June Whore
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:11:00 -
[2632]
agreed
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:03:00 -
[2633]
Originally by: Etemenankit Edited by: Etemenankit on 05/08/2010 16:15:06 +1 from me.
But in this form, it is, unfortunately, useless.
Give them RFC-s (request for changes). Instead of small examples, write exactly down, where the bugs are, and what the players want to get changed. With the petition in this form, you only give headaches to both parts. An engineer would say, ok, but it works as designed. Maybe he will change something, what he thinks is better for players. Then, it may turn out, that the players did not wanted to get it, because it brings more confusion, more problems then the old version. A programmer needs exactly what needs to be changed. Yes, there are people, who must decide, what changes will happen. You need to speak to them, and you need to make clear, what you (players) exactly want to get changed.
The CSM has been doing this (RFC-s) for years, the players longer in Features&suggestions forums.
We, CSM, Players can only give the best of 'exactly what we want' as can be arranged from different people weighing in on an issue, ultimately that decision on what and how to change X is up to someone or several people at CCP not any one player.
CCP doesn't allow the CSM to speak to the people who get to decide if X is going to be changed they speak to the people who get told what to do but don't have the power to decide to do it. I may be wrong perhaps they speak to people who could make that decision but haven't for any number of reasons over the past couple of years.
I and any other player can write a detailed post or even have a one on one conversation with the programmers/developer who can make the changes I want but they are not going to listen to a single player on any issue nor are the players likely to 100% on every detail of a detailed proposal of how to change X.
------------------------------------------------------- 5 minute forum time delay is a crime against humanity. |
Bogota Lovejoy
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:43:00 -
[2634]
yes
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Walmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:19:00 -
[2635]
yes, obv.
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Qaralil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:20:00 -
[2636]
Supporting
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Fifty Four
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:21:00 -
[2637]
+1
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 16:48:00 -
[2638]
Damn straight!
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Eklykti
Zion foundation Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.09 08:53:00 -
[2639]
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Desdichardo III
The Federation Musketeers Deadline.
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Posted - 2010.08.09 15:50:00 -
[2640]
Supported
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Homardien
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Posted - 2010.08.09 17:44:00 -
[2641]
Supported
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Ibn Minion
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:31:00 -
[2642]
Hell YEAH!
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Tset Tsun
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Posted - 2010.08.09 23:21:00 -
[2643]
How can this NOT be supported.
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Norantio
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 05:05:00 -
[2644]
Wish I had more thumbs to point up
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Sha Dar
eXceeded
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Posted - 2010.08.10 05:18:00 -
[2645]
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Inturist
FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.08.10 06:14:00 -
[2646]
+1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Polideuco
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Posted - 2010.08.10 10:11:00 -
[2647]
/out of my permalurk to support basic common sense for bussines which want prosper in the long run
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Ferrus Manuss
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Posted - 2010.08.10 10:15:00 -
[2648]
Eve needs fixing.
Without eve they could not work on the other projects. we are funding them with our subs
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Noztra
The Red Dragoons Dragoon Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.10 10:43:00 -
[2649]
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WaiKin Beldar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:02:00 -
[2650]
Edited by: WaiKin Beldar on 10/08/2010 12:06:46 Quality > Quantity. Always. No matter what, where or who it takes for it.
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Susitna
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:24:00 -
[2651]
Here is hoping someone at CCP with the power to refocus their priorties reads and understands this post.
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Lex Striker
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:44:00 -
[2652]
In my 24 years of experience in software development, I have noticed a few things...
1) It is much easier to write new code than to fix old code. If one can find a software developer that can work with existing code, grab that sucker and hold on to them... they are a rare find. I usually see this as a good programmer that is flexible and without an ego... which is indeed a rare find.
2) It has been shown that it may take from 4-10 times the resources to fix an issue after it has been released than if it were caught in the design phase. Thus it is not cost effective from a management standpoint to fix things, but to just introduce new features. Perhaps CCP is getting to a level of corporate mentality and maturity where the bottom line is much more important than customer satisfaction or even the product they produce itself... which eventually happens to the best of them, I guess.
3) Many software developers who have made a name for themselves do not want to fix code. All they want to do is make new systems and move on. Thus, to keep some developers around, some companies must always have new projects... else these 'sacred cows' will leave to work somewhere else. I guess this is just the creative nature of these developers; and why some believe that software development is an art, not a science. Fixing coding and design issues just is not fun and may eventually show that some of these developers are not wearing any clothoes.
4) A company like CCP is made up of specialists. Many of those positions are based on new development. So what happens to these people when one goes back to fix problems?... lay them off until they are needed again? To let someone go and rehire someone else is to not only lose expertise, but also to require a retraining period for the new person, which may take a very long time... something management does not want to hear.
5) Everything is not always what it seems. Appearances are much more important than reality... and management has a great way of pretending that all is fine. In many ways, they have no choice, especially if the horses are already out of the barn and running everywhere.
6) I try to remember, it is not 'what' people do that really matters, as much as to 'why' they do it. It would appear that CCP management has decided on new features, over fixing and finishing old ones because it is to their benefit to do so... at least in their eyes and in the short term. 'Walking in Stations' and Dust 514 will bring two new types of customers into Eve... thus translating into $$$$!!!!. Fixing old issues for customers has NEVER generated new revenue. So CCP management is obviously looking to expand its revenue rather than make old customers happy. So what if half of the old customer base leaves? The new customer base will make up for it. Mangament problem solved! That is why most customers will treat their new customers much better than their old ones. It is all about 'new' business. Old business is like... well... old.
I think CCP is doing what is best for itself and it is up to us to either follow along like sheep or find something else. I believe CCP has done a great job overall in producing Eve Online. However, it is not always the 90% that works that is most visible... but the 10% that does not. In this case, that 10% is a 'deal breaker' for most of us... making the game unplayable for some of us.
I have little hope that CCP will change its development approach. It is just not to its benefit to do so, at this time. Until the bottomline starts to fail, will CCP change anything. With 'Walking in Stations' and Dust 515 coming out, I do not see that happening soon. I also expect the CSM to be disbanded as a failed experiment soon, as it did not support the objectives of CCP. Oh well. Perhaps all this too shall pass... we will see.
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Lex Striker
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.10 13:04:00 -
[2653]
One thing that really bothered me was when CCP said that it was making the CSM a 'stakeholder' in the company [looks confused]. I have played Eve Online for over two years now... when the hell I have NOT been a stakeholder in Eve Online? I guess I have just gotten to an age where MY TIME is worth more than money. Not only have I invested money, but I have also invested A LOT of my personal time here in EO. I can imagine how some that have invested their time from the EO beta and release must feel. If Eve Online goes away, all that personal time will be gone... there will be nothing left. So believe me, CCP... I AM a stakeholder in Eve Online and what happens here has a direct effect ON me personally.
Now I am also a realist and understand that EO will eventually go away. However, by the very nature of the game design, EO is a long term project type of endeavor. So do not tell me that I am not a stakeholder here. That is not something that CCP can bestow on anyone. It is what we as player/investors determine. CCP by rights may own EO and all aspects of it. But we as players morally own it too. If CCP management does not understand that, well... perhaps the end of EO has started to happen.
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GiggMaster
Eikpyrnir
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Posted - 2010.08.11 01:30:00 -
[2654]
Fully supported []'s GiggMaster |
Typhena
Eikpyrnir
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Posted - 2010.08.11 01:32:00 -
[2655]
Definitely --- Sig Under Construction |
yourdoingitwrong
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Posted - 2010.08.11 03:58:00 -
[2656]
supported fix the lag its past ridiculous now.
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.11 08:19:00 -
[2657]
Originally by: Lex Striker Edited by: Lex Striker on 10/08/2010 12:47:37 1) It is much easier to write new code than to fix old code. If one can find a software developer that can work with existing code, grab that sucker and hold on to them... they are a rare find. I usually see this as a good programmer that is flexible and without an ego... which is indeed a rare find.
It's yes but as a Quality Test developer I can affirm you these people exist.
Hunting bugs is a fun job too but it take indeed more times to sometimes just make a tiny change at the right place to close a strange behavior between two 'unrelated' packages.
CCP just need to invest more in their QA team but as you stated more new players = more new direct $$$$ the time the bug annoy everybody.
for Eve Space bugs are now the issues.
If CPP don't change it will be the same for DUST.
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Daxel Magmalloy
UK Corp -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.11 09:41:00 -
[2658]
'This is a proposal to ask CCP to evaluate their attitude...'
This was all I needed to read.
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LegendaryFrog
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:54:00 -
[2659]
Couldn't possibly support this more.
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Anubis208
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Posted - 2010.08.12 04:50:00 -
[2660]
Edited by: Anubis208 on 12/08/2010 04:50:50 You know, CCP, if you actually fixed the game all 300 thousand of us (or so) would become a greater marketing tool than anything you could ever devise (except for mind control maybe :P). Seriously, if we all liked it and got others to join/ play dust 514, jsut think of the moneyyou'd rake in. This post is beyond fully supported by me and my corp.
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Qor'Esch
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:10:00 -
[2661]
/Signed |
Infinite Perdition
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Posted - 2010.08.12 15:17:00 -
[2662]
Supported!
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Jarguar
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Posted - 2010.08.12 15:25:00 -
[2663]
Great Idea!
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Uriel Winston
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:13:00 -
[2664]
nice! /support
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Xyrdiana
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:14:00 -
[2665]
/support
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No Mauk'Ob
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:06:00 -
[2666]
yes support ----------------------- Vice Admiral No Mauk'Ob Murientor Tribe Navy 1st MCW MURIE is Recruiting! |
Odelya d'Hanguest
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.13 08:36:00 -
[2667]
I approve this proposal.
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Project 69
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Posted - 2010.08.13 14:54:00 -
[2668]
supported even tho CCP still (imho) does an awesome job bringing us free and superb expansions.
but seriously... don't ever listen to what companies tell in their commercials and presentations.
Apple and MS are preaching for years that they "invented" something new and revolutionairy even tho it's still the same shiet in another color.
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Cromo Effect
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Posted - 2010.08.13 15:10:00 -
[2669]
All you guys are the biggest cry babies. "Gimmi this! Gimmie that!"
[s=5]Boo freakin woo!!!![/s=5]
CCP does a great job with all the free expansions and stuff every few months but yet you still complain.
I for one am looking forward to Incarna and DUST514. I am exstatic that DUST will not be on the PC. Too many cheaters using aim bots and stuff.
Learn to play the free content instead of constantly complaining. CCP will get to all that stuff when they get to it.
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Troll Bridgington
Heavy Metal Machine. Mostly Clueless
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Posted - 2010.08.13 18:07:00 -
[2670]
Originally by: Cromo Effect All you guys are the biggest cry babies. "Gimmi this! Gimmie that!"
[s=5]Boo freakin woo!!!![/s=5]
CCP does a great job with all the free expansions and stuff every few months but yet you still complain.
I for one am looking forward to Incarna and DUST514. I am exstatic that DUST will not be on the PC. Too many cheaters using aim bots and stuff.
Learn to play the free content instead of constantly complaining. CCP will get to all that stuff when they get to it.
You got something on your nose.
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Elias West
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.08.14 01:22:00 -
[2671]
+1
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Astroka
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Posted - 2010.08.15 09:10:00 -
[2672]
If CCP took the time to achieve excellence and fix flaws in their shiny new content, I would be more than happy to wait longer for shiny new features, while I'm content to play with with the more polished, less flawed features previously implemented.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.08.15 11:06:00 -
[2673]
I have 17 months to spare , can i help ?
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Baeryn
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2010.08.15 20:54:00 -
[2674]
Originally by: Lex Striker Edited by: Lex Striker on 10/08/2010 12:47:37 In my 24 years of experience in software development, I have noticed a few things...
1) It is much easier to write new code than to fix old code. If one can find a software developer that can work with existing code, grab that sucker and hold on to them... they are a rare find. I usually see this as a good programmer that is flexible and without an ego... which is indeed a rare find.
2) It has been shown that it may take from 4-10 times the resources to fix an issue after it has been released than if it were caught in the design phase. Thus it is not cost effective from a management standpoint to fix things, but to just introduce new features. Perhaps CCP is getting to a level of corporate mentality and maturity where the bottom line is much more important than customer satisfaction or even the product they produce itself... which eventually happens to the best of them, I guess.
3) Many software developers who have made a name for themselves do not want to fix code. All they want to do is make new systems and move on. Thus, to keep some developers around, some companies must always have new projects... else these 'sacred cows' will leave to work somewhere else. I guess this is just the creative nature of these developers; and why some believe that software development is an art, not a science. Fixing coding and design issues just is not fun and may eventually show that some of these developers are not wearing any clothoes.
4) A company like CCP is made up of specialists. Many of those positions are based on new development. So what happens to these people when one goes back to fix problems?... lay them off until they are needed again? To let someone go and rehire someone else is to not only lose expertise, but also to require a retraining period for the new person, which may take a very long time... something management does not want to hear.
5) Everything is not always what it seems. Appearances are much more important than reality... and management has a great way of pretending that all is fine. In many ways, they have no choice, especially if the horses are already out of the barn and running everywhere.
6) I try to remember, it is not 'what' people do that really matters, as much as to 'why' they do it. It would appear that CCP management has decided on new features, over fixing and finishing old ones because it is to their benefit to do so... at least in their eyes and in the short term. 'Walking in Stations' and Dust 514 will bring two new types of customers into Eve... thus translating into $$$$!!!!. Fixing old issues for customers has NEVER generated new revenue. So CCP management is obviously looking to expand its revenue rather than make old customers happy. So what if half of the old customer base leaves? The new customer base will make up for it. Mangament problem solved! That is why most companies will treat their new customers much better than their old ones. It is all about 'new' business. Old business is like... well... old.
I think CCP is doing what is best for itself and it is up to us to either follow along like sheep or find something else. I believe CCP has done a great job overall in producing Eve Online. However, it is not always the 90% that works that is most visible... but the 10% that does not. In this case, that 10% is a 'deal breaker' for most of us... making the game unplayable for some of us.
I have little hope that CCP will change its development approach. It is just not to its benefit to do so, at this time. Until the bottomline starts to fail, will CCP change anything. With 'Walking in Stations' and Dust 515 coming out, I do not see that happening soon. I also expect the CSM to be disbanded as a failed experiment soon, as it did not support the objectives of CCP. Oh well. Perhaps all this too shall pass... we will see.
As a Lead Software Engineer, I have to echo these observations. RolePlayGateway || EVE UserVoice: A Supplement to the CSM |
Andromeda Risen
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Posted - 2010.08.16 05:28:00 -
[2675]
A simple Yes.
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Hogun Rath
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Posted - 2010.08.16 11:33:00 -
[2676]
I support this idea, but since there is no real alternative offering on the current mmo market CCP can do whatever they think will get them the most $$ at the end of the day.
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.17 11:47:00 -
[2677]
Patch time Incoming !
Let see what will happens in term of Quality ?
Cheers, Yeay
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.17 15:48:00 -
[2678]
Edited by: Yeay Fritg on 17/08/2010 15:48:05 Did you see this Dev Blog ? : New Dev Blog: When Patching Fails, Repair
I like the irony, in my bad French/English I understand the following: CCP ask us to repair the client if they fail their Patch !
Then it's an invitation for us to do the job cause CCP fail ? I like this kind of customer service.
Amazing how translation between languages can lead to misunderstanding.
Yeay
Not trolling, just busy waiting a CCP answer.
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Ripi
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:24:00 -
[2679]
After reading their blog it seems as though they just shelved fixing anything for quite some time. Yes i understand the need to bring in a larger crowd market by creating the complete science fiction experience but at some point they are going to start losing that crowd of dedicated players. The reason eve has grown steadily is the fact that it has not been losing much of the original player base. I hope that eventually the message gets through because all the summary of the CSM meetings has shown us is that they have a massive backlog of issues that they have no intention of looking at with 18 months and even when they do get around to fixing the large backlog of issues they will only touch a few of them and then get back to something new and shiny. I know my words fall on deaf ears but 90 pages should say something about the growing demand for an increased quality control.
+1 for committing to a standard of excellence and follow through with it this time.
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Zemkhoff
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:47:00 -
[2680]
Originally by: Yeay Fritg Patch time Incoming !
Let see what will happens in term of Quality ?
Cheers, Yeay
I looked at the patch notes and laughed.
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NastyLlama
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.18 11:21:00 -
[2681]
supported ==================================================
I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Agamemnon IV
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Posted - 2010.08.18 15:02:00 -
[2682]
Supported!!!! Diedra expresses exactly what i think! ----- |
Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.18 15:27:00 -
[2683]
CCP,
Too much this time, don't say anything at least that what you do the best !
Let me help you on the Lag and Bug Reports : CCP - 2 Paying accounts !
You are truly fabulous !
You haven't yet answered the Backlog Issue officially.
You make a Mac Patch and crashing Windows PC cause of Python dll not upgraded automatically. Great one again. Asking us to fix using the repair...
Well please change of dictionary or at least use wikipedia for definition of quality and customer support.
Let's see how many days prior 1.0.5 that fix 1.0.4 ?
You send us Long text to say us it's hard we work on work on...we were expecting results not just how may be we will change or architecture or restrictic what you can do in fleet. Sure less people in fleet less lag...
18 Months prior what the same mess of bug and no finished features.
I finish my prepaid GTC time currently running and you loose a 4 year player on 2 accounts.
I invite my community/friends to enjoy an other place !
Was nice to Fly with you All !
Yeay
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Zaeris Stone
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Posted - 2010.08.18 16:04:00 -
[2684]
+1
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Benjamin Shepherd
Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.08.18 20:18:00 -
[2685]
Benjamin Shepherd, Director of the New Eden Assembly |
Zanaraxtarus
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Posted - 2010.08.19 07:57:00 -
[2686]
Originally by: Agamemnon IV Edited by: Agamemnon IV on 18/08/2010 15:11:02 Supported!!!! Diedra expresses exactly what i think! But honestly, the only way how you can make CCP change their behaviour is to quit eve in masses for let us say 3 months and to say: "I'll be back in 3 months. If you haven't fixed it till then, i'll leave for another 3 months." And so on.. Find 10000 accounts whose owner would support you and quit their subscription for at least a month and you may have success with that...
THIS! (well said, Ag)
As the famous quote goes, "The time for talk is through.. Now is the time for action" (or something to that effect ) I left EVE about 6 or 8 months ago and decided I would only come back on occasion, just to see if things have been fixed (or even touched).... I've been back for about two weeks now (thanks in part to a "Please come back, we miss you! Here's a free week" e-mail) and as soon as my month is over (yeah, a week isn't long enough, I subbed for a month) I'll probably be gone again. A couple of recent Dev Blogs may sway me to stay, if they keep talking like they have been, but only for long enough to give them a chance to show they FINALLY get it
I LOVE this game and love the players, but the attitude is beyond my tolerance level.. I completely understand "quantity over quality" in MOST areas, but EVE is not that type of game.. EVE players are intelligent people. We don't play EVE for something pretty to look at for a few hours. We play EVE for a chance to live another life... If that life stays as screwed up as real life, we'll find another distraction (eventually)
My biggest fear is that CCP realizes this and they realize the most money can be made by attracting people who ARE impressed by shinnies, and in their bid to gain more shinny-lovers they will completely ruin what could very well be the best game ever created
Oh, and where's the "fix rockets" thread?? --Zan-- Ban Mr. Richardson! [I was respectful there, I called him "Mr" and deleted the bad word] (quantity/quality studies do NOT apply to EVE. WoW, YES. EVE, NO!) |
Agamemnon IV
Gallente The Lucidi Cartel Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.08.19 12:55:00 -
[2687]
Originally by: Zanaraxtarus
Originally by: Agamemnon IV Edited by: Agamemnon IV on 18/08/2010 15:11:02 Supported!!!! Diedra expresses exactly what i think! But honestly, the only way how you can make CCP change their behaviour is to quit eve in masses for let us say 3 months and to say: "I'll be back in 3 months. If you haven't fixed it till then, i'll leave for another 3 months." And so on.. Find 10000 accounts whose owner would support you and quit their subscription for at least a month and you may have success with that...
THIS! (well said, Ag)
As the famous quote goes, "The time for talk is through.. Now is the time for action" (or something to that effect ) I left EVE about 6 or 8 months ago and decided I would only come back on occasion, just to see if things have been fixed (or even touched).... I've been back for about two weeks now (thanks in part to a "Please come back, we miss you! Here's a free week" e-mail) and as soon as my month is over (yeah, a week isn't long enough, I subbed for a month) I'll probably be gone again. A couple of recent Dev Blogs may sway me to stay, if they keep talking like they have been, but only for long enough to give them a chance to show they FINALLY get it
I LOVE this game and love the players, but the attitude is beyond my tolerance level.. I completely understand "quantity over quality" in MOST areas, but EVE is not that type of game.. EVE players are intelligent people. We don't play EVE for something pretty to look at for a few hours. We play EVE for a chance to live another life... If that life stays as screwed up as real life, we'll find another distraction (eventually)
My biggest fear is that CCP realizes this and they realize the most money can be made by attracting people who ARE impressed by shinnies, and in their bid to gain more shinny-lovers they will completely ruin what could very well be the best game ever created
Oh, and where's the "fix rockets" thread??
Thx for the support, though I would like to make something clear. I am not playing eve for the chance to live another life and I don't think that it is as screwed up as RL. Since at least my RL isn't srewed up at all. If I would need a chance to live another life, I would just change my RL.
I am not blaming CCP for screwing up my sci-fi fantasy world. Gaming is just a Hobby. But I like games which are "complicated" and force you to think a lot, to analyze, to think strategically. And I hate it when companys start to put quantity before quality. Unfortunately the most game developers do that. There are only few exceptions like Blizzard. This is when stupid mistakes start to happen, like the thing with PI, where every 2nd semester economics student could have told them that this is going to happen. The QM of CCP seems to be broken, since the "fix rockets" thread is already 1 year old and nothing has happened yet. They even failed to scale the capitals appropriately. CCP seem not to realize that their clientel ain't a bunch of teenagers. EVE clientel is demanding and wants quality. There is a nice example. Daimler-Benz tried to increase profits by decreasing quality in the 1990's. And it worked for a short period of time till the customers realized that they were buying expensive crap. After this short period of time (couple of years) the revenue of mercedes dropped dramatically and the costs for guarantee items increased at the same time. Maybe CCP needs to make their own experiences... ----- |
LadyWhale
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:27:00 -
[2688]
Perhaps there needs to be a second proposal that 18 months is too long. This one supported nonetheless.
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Bronya Boga
Black Eagle SocieTy
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Posted - 2010.08.21 00:53:00 -
[2689]
supported
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Sophie Malaster
EuroMECH Tech Market ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:46:00 -
[2690]
Edited by: Sophie Malaster on 21/08/2010 10:46:35 Without any dude, supported! ________________________________________________
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Talek Miriden
Darkwave Technologies Blade.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 19:57:00 -
[2691]
This is one hell of a threadnaught but yer supported !
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Schuckelchen
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:57:00 -
[2692]
/signed
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Chryseii
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Posted - 2010.08.22 15:05:00 -
[2693]
/signed
they cant even get such a simple patch right. so many people including me cant even connect to the dahm server anymore
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REQUIN TIRAN
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:34:00 -
[2694]
is the least we can expect
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ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:48:00 -
[2695]
Plants need regular watering and sunlight, CCP. It's not enough to just toss a bit more dirt into the flowerpot every once in a while.
~The~ Blatantly Obvious |
Alexander Third
Crystal Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.23 01:15:00 -
[2696]
supported
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Novon Toll
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Posted - 2010.08.23 04:09:00 -
[2697]
I approve this message.
CCP listen up.
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Goremageddon Box
Guerilla Gorilla
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Posted - 2010.08.23 10:33:00 -
[2698]
yes _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
Rhok Relztem
Caldari CGMA Synergist Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:34:00 -
[2699]
This is not allowed to drop off of the first page so...
/nudge (not a full bump, just a nudge)
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Lev Aeris
b.b.k
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Posted - 2010.08.25 10:09:00 -
[2700]
Supported.
I've seen too many half assed patches. Its to the point that when I see a dev blog I cringe, because I know it means that the devs have chosen to neglect all the unfinished things from last cycle and are starting on a whole new set of things they will never complete.
I'm tired of seeing a multi-million dollar company consistently perform at amateur levels.
This is not a new topic either. Since CCP destroyed the game engine with dominion, it has remained broken for a year while CCP is busy burning man hours on browser games (PI) and avatars for Incarna. Nobody wants another Ford Pinto.
Fix your ****, hire some professionals and for the love of god, put somebody in charge of development that has an attention span longer than a fishes ****.
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.25 13:54:00 -
[2701]
I like their communication !
Nothing but nothing at all about Features Bugs !
All they tell us is that they are working on the Lag but not yet have a solution, asking them if their architecture is good or not, that they build a new 3D character engine just to walk in station and no more, that they planned to make us big new adventures on planets...
When just that : Guys again we don't listen to you !
Yeay
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla
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Posted - 2010.08.26 09:46:00 -
[2702]
so much bump worthiness _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.26 12:54:00 -
[2703]
Sorry,
But CCP I just want a BackLog Bug Dev Blog !
Do you read the forums or will you moderate all our quality request if not in line with your marketing plan ?
Yeay
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Utemetsu
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:43:00 -
[2704]
+1 Supported. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Dzil
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:22:00 -
[2705]
I for one love EVE, but I have to agree with absolutely everything the OP posted. If I wanted a hundred crappy flash games, there's websites offering that up for free. I'd rather have good, polished gameplay over a hundred of half baked ideas that offer no real strategy or thrill.
"But we can't make a good marketing message from polishing old stuff!"
But you can.
I follow EVE on facebook, chat it up with my friends, explain what it is and isn't to folks in the market to buy it, that aren't quite sure of it. A satisfied customer that would recommend your product is the BEST MARKETING YOU CAN BUY. Period.
So we, the customers, are your salesforce. Give us something good to sell.
Thanks, Dzil
/Signed Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:09:00 -
[2706]
I've heard rumors that they dont intend to revisit wormhole space for at least 18 more months.
SHINY SHINY SHINY OOOOOOO
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Gerwiga
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:13:00 -
[2707]
Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 I've heard rumors that they dont intend to revisit wormhole space for at least 18 more months.
SHINY SHINY SHINY OOOOOOO
Wormhole space could use a little love
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The Archetect
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Posted - 2010.08.27 02:46:00 -
[2708]
Show the wormholes some love! <3 <3 <3 still love you ccp if you don't.... just not as much
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RoyAraym
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.27 02:47:00 -
[2709]
THIS OP IS GOOD! ---------
Beware: a Ninja Made in Italy! |
Gusmanak
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Posted - 2010.08.27 02:56:00 -
[2710]
Yes.
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wr3cks
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.27 06:04:00 -
[2711]
Originally by: Yeay Fritg Sorry,
But CCP I just want a BackLog Bug Dev Blog !
Do you read the forums or will you moderate all our quality request if not in line with your marketing plan ?
Yeay
Amen! Can we please have as many dev blog detailing fixes to content as we have gotten about lag?
Actually, fewer dev blogs would be okay, but more manpower and more fixes.
Kthx
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.27 12:08:00 -
[2712]
Actually Trebor Daehdoowis finishing the CSM Meeting minutes.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1362162&page=2
Our CSM members are working to let us know !
Well CPP have a Marketing team, I feel we can't trust them on any message. Simplybased on fact CPP, sorry but it's facts.
Yeay
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Oreth Te
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Posted - 2010.08.27 16:25:00 -
[2713]
Edited by: Oreth Te on 27/08/2010 16:27:28 Edited by: Oreth Te on 27/08/2010 16:26:30
Originally by: Dzil I for one love EVE, but I have to agree with absolutely everything the OP posted. If I wanted a hundred crappy flash games, there's websites offering that up for free. I'd rather have good, polished gameplay over a hundred of half baked ideas that offer no real strategy or thrill.
"But we can't make a good marketing message from polishing old stuff!"
But you can.
I follow EVE on facebook, chat it up with my friends, explain what it is and isn't to folks in the market to buy it, that aren't quite sure of it. A satisfied customer that would recommend your product is the BEST MARKETING YOU CAN BUY. Period.
So we, the customers, are your salesforce. Give us something good to sell.
Thanks, Dzil
/Signed
I Have to agree whole heartedly with you, even better for them is if a satisfied customer promotes EVE it's free advertising, CCP win with new players who arenÆt worried about shinny new stuff because all the stuff existing in EVE is totally new to them anyway, we win because instead of loads of shinny new stuff that partially works alongside older stuff which also partially works is all brought into line and is made to work better, and if it works better everyone is happy Quality improves CCP are; then, able to redirect resources to further development instead of hit and miss fixes and other pacifying ways of trying to keep folks happy. Stop being so Reactive CCP and be more Proactive One good quality expansion per year is enough! The other release time(s) should be devoted to ensuring existing features are improved and maintained and integrated more efficiently into the game environment, so they work well not just average or ok. We ôEVEÆrsö care about EVE very much, we continue to pay and play because of and despite its flaws, but that does not imply that we are prepared to or have to accept less than excellence in the features that are currently in the game environment.
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Sasuke Ichiro
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Posted - 2010.08.28 03:57:00 -
[2714]
I support the OP completely. Keep it up DV!
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Issaiah Mustafa
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Posted - 2010.08.30 04:47:00 -
[2715]
Back to the front
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.08.30 07:26:00 -
[2716]
Hell spend the next 18 months fixing and getting this game to 'excellence' status. No more new expansions.
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Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2010.08.30 08:51:00 -
[2717]
I have no problem with CCP skipping an expansion or two just to sit down and iron out the game as it is atm. There are many bugs, game play issues, balance issues, etc. etc. that have needed addressing for a long while. heck if it makes em happy, they can pretend to make an expansion call it. "Patchathon" and all it is, is 6months worth of bug fixes, gameplay yada yada, rolled into one giant 800mb+ patch.
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Ryuuichi Kakihara
Shadow Company Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.08.30 10:21:00 -
[2718]
+1
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SickSeven
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2010.08.30 19:50:00 -
[2719]
+1 vote for polishing the game we have now before adding more half-assed features! You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue |
Captain Torgo
The Geedunk Expedition
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Posted - 2010.08.30 22:26:00 -
[2720]
Edited by: Captain Torgo on 30/08/2010 22:28:20 It really says a lot about CCPs credibility when the CSMs bring this issue to the devs attention, the devs strongly insist that they are indeed committed to excellence, and nobody believes them.
Talk is cheap and it's easy for CCP to say that they're committed. Hell, I can say that I'm the Pope but it doesn't make it true. The proof is in the pudding and that's some mighty awful pudding.
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count sporkula
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Posted - 2010.08.31 03:46:00 -
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.31 15:46:00 -
[2722]
Hello,
CCP you are always so good.
Arnar Gylfason tell us the point in the news...not to us but to the marketing guys...Players are waiting answers on forum and you go in the external News...
CCP Interview about Backlog
Ok 140 people working on the Dev...and " Some of the features that have been requested, or need some loving, theoretically, we have enough people to work on alongside everything else, but there are bottlenecks in the production chain where things fall apart. What we are doing, however, is weÆre taking our focus off these features, in general, to refactoring older features. This is a process that started, basically, at the beginning of this year and will continue throughout next year till the point where weÆll halt production on new features, and turn to refactoring the old features or updating older game designs.
You can call it development eras if you want. So you add a bunch of new features, then you reiterate on those features until youÆre satisfied that theyÆre polished. In general, what you see is, and I guess the players have been seeing this, and they will be seeing it more in the next release and the next release thereafter is a focus shift to iteration."
Then men....18 months prior any change their plan for their player requests.
Seems for CCP a Bug is just an old feature that need a refactoring. Never tested to refactor bug...should be a hard job to it to stay 18 months.
Yeay
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John'eh
Asteroid Belt Protection Services
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Posted - 2010.09.01 10:53:00 -
[2723]
+1
Supported, but based on what I have experienced with Eve, etc, I don't think CCP has the technical skills needed to commit to this; It scares them too much. - John'eh
Your Critics Are Your Best Friends, because they help you find your faults and help you improve to be better. Don't take my criticisms personally, I care about Eve just as much as you |
Sagesse
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Posted - 2010.09.02 16:55:00 -
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Cearain
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.02 16:57:00 -
[2725]
Fool that I am, I will cut against the grain of this very popular thread.
I think the op does make some good points. I will just post a bit of my own perspective.
I think CCP has done an excellent job and a very reasonable job of balancing new features versus fixing old features.
Wormholes are a relatively ônew feature.ö If CCP were to continue to only work on fw and sovereignty until it was perfect this may not have been developed? I really donÆt go in WH myself but I recognize that CCP did a good thing by adding this ônew feature.ö
They have done several minor fixes/new features to faction war in apoc 1.5. They also added new rig changes which I think they did an excellent job on.
The new faction ships are well balanced. Sure some complain about the dramiel being overpowered. However considering the numbers of ships that ccp updated or created the fact that only one of the ships is even controversial shows that they did an excellent job.
They created or upgraded over a dozen ships to make them playable and yet the players are just hung up on why they canÆt fly a hawk or a corm. Personally I agree with CCPÆs decision about what made the game more enjoyable.
Keep in mind it does take time to fully evaluate what exactly should be done to make fw, or any other feature, better. Although there have been many threads on FW the recommendations of the players are often contradictory. Accordingly I think CCP's limited and cautious actions with respect to FW is reasonable. Sure certain bugs could be fixed regarding occupancy plexing. But letÆs face it very few in faction war really do plexing. Correcting the bugs will not lead to many more people doing occupancy plexing. More needs to be done than that. How much more and what exactly? I have my own ideas but suffice it to say this is a very controversial topic. There is no obvious fix that would make everyone thrilled to do occupancy plexing.
That goes for FW. Are the other things more clear cut? Do we know exactly how treaties should work? Do we know exactly how sovereignty should work? I really donÆt play in that area of the game but I would guess that is still somewhat controversial.
The focus on incarna is disappointing to me. 18 months to develop this feature is not really what I would like to see. But in a way they are taking the ops advice. They are saying we are going to an "excellent job" with incarna and so we will lengthen the cycle to 18 months! Personally I wish they would just spit something out there that would take a team of 4 devs 6 months to work on.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Grigo
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.03 16:52:00 -
[2726]
RO
Originally by: Avernus ...some kudos to using your main to post like an asshat though... doesn't really take balls though, you're on the internet.
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ImmaSplodeYou
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Posted - 2010.09.03 17:37:00 -
[2727]
So very supported
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Jitaholic
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Posted - 2010.09.08 21:28:00 -
[2728]
I support this wholeheartidly. |
GreaseMonkeyAlt
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Posted - 2010.09.13 07:26:00 -
[2729]
I like Excellence.
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Shwedagon Paya
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Posted - 2010.09.13 12:23:00 -
[2730]
This is the best EVE-O thread of all time.
For what it's worth, nearly all MMORPGs suffer from this problem. Older content that needs fixing, tweaking, and/or polishing gets pushed to the wayside indefinitely or for long periods of time; meanwhile, the developers are busy creating new content. Three years later, the old content remains broken as the developers continue to create new features.
It's a tough nut to crack, and I know it, but I trust that CCP can do it, if they want to.
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.09.13 13:17:00 -
[2731]
But they don't want...
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2010.09.16 17:00:00 -
[2732]
up
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:16:00 -
[2733]
up
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Supai Arkasi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:25:00 -
[2734]
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Ervol Libra
Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:30:00 -
[2735]
They should really change their release schedule to 1 new feature release every year and 1 major bug fix/update release every year.
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Private Bank
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:18:00 -
[2736]
Indeed, im very disappointed about PI and unfixed la. To see CCP work on a new expansion and not fix old stuff is just not the way to run a good game.
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Natasha Hec
University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:21:00 -
[2737]
Supported. Theres so much that needs to be fixed before adding new stuff
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:21:00 -
[2738]
And please please FIX THE BUGS!!
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Skylar Thorne
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:22:00 -
[2739]
This covers my proposal (that seemed to be poorly received) so I support it.
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Terheasa Heranah
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Posted - 2010.09.21 23:01:00 -
[2740]
It would be nice to see them actually commit to excellence in EVERYTHING they do as well.
+1!
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Rico Lobo
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Posted - 2010.09.22 01:29:00 -
[2741]
Originally by: Terheasa Heranah It would be nice to see them actually commit to excellence in EVERYTHING they do as well.
+1!
to be honest at this point I will settle for "Adiquate"
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Kalliopostel
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Posted - 2010.09.22 11:58:00 -
[2742]
lolwhut
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0000hh Baby
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:07:00 -
[2743]
Please for the love of God. Yes
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Rox Marr
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Posted - 2010.09.28 20:58:00 -
[2744]
Perfectly put.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:27:00 -
[2745]
Something worth highlighting again in the wake of the latest patch --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
Darveses
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:57:00 -
[2746]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Something worth highlighting again in the wake of the latest patch
Well we did get align to bookmarks
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Last'True Achura
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Posted - 2010.10.05 09:16:00 -
[2747]
everytime i log in with any of my 7 accounts my windows move, this latest feature is making me think about not paying ccp the 100 euros a month for this game i currently do.
if your gonna do it ccp do it right, pls ffs
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D'Ragin
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Posted - 2010.10.05 09:56:00 -
[2748]
Edited by: D''Ragin on 05/10/2010 09:57:03
Originally by: Last'True Achura everytime i log in with any of my 7 accounts my windows move, this latest feature is making me think about not paying ccp the 100 euros a month for this game i currently do.
if your gonna do it ccp do it right, pls ffs
+1, hope todays optional 'fix my stuff up's' patch fixes it.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.10.05 10:21:00 -
[2749]
hell yes
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David Carel
Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.10.05 20:59:00 -
[2750]
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crimson fire
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Posted - 2010.10.05 21:51:00 -
[2751]
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Treks Dot
The Kobayashi Maru OWTBS Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.05 22:40:00 -
[2752]
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Sepheir Sepheron
Legion..
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Posted - 2010.10.06 07:19:00 -
[2753]
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Supported.
I would even go so far as to say: "Push all existing, unreleased content back (unless its a part of previously released content) until existing, previously released content is up to the "excellent" or "finished" level..."
Of course I'm an extremist... but I'm an Eve Extremist!
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RAIZOR BLAIDS
THE SKULLZ. Sacra Cupola
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Posted - 2010.10.06 11:21:00 -
[2754]
Now were getting new faces in the next expansion. um we want fixes of old stuff not face lifts.
we got PI thats needs tweaking we have faction warfare that needs tweaking we got 0.0 mechanics that needs tweaking we got a very un balanced empire ..snd the all mighty lag
..think of the children
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Hallan De'estus
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Posted - 2010.10.06 15:26:00 -
[2755]
Full support. Hoping CSM hands CCP a major drubbing after the awful patch fiasco. If ever there was a need for further evidence that CCP has major problems with their QA program, one need not look further than the patch from Hell.
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Ryas Nia
Veto.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:20:00 -
[2756]
I still support this, quality over quantity, no feature left behind.
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Solar Shard
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:27:00 -
[2757]
I concur. I do love expansions, but I, as I believe others would agree, can wait for expansions.
They're nice, neat, show awesome shiny stuff. (I love shiny stuff), but, I'd rather play it later, with all the bugs worked out, rather then complain about the broken stuff.
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Midori Amiiko
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:25:00 -
[2758]
I've been having a lot of problems with Eve lately...standings have been changed, my selected item and overview windows get mapped off the top of my display, multiple SMAs show the same contents...ask around and I'm sure you'll hear similar stories. Rather than rollback the ill-advised "patches" CCP insists on issuing more, which would be great if they fixed anything. This is just the latest development in a long line of complaints about new features over fixing old problems. So I would like to call for a subscription strike. If CCP doesn't do something MAJOR to fix these glitches we should let our subscriptions lapse for the month of November. Assuming that there are 300 K active subscriptions, CCP makes 4.5 million dollars a month...so they would lose that much money. Maybe then they would take these problems seriously.
I await your response capsuleers.
I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way John Paul Jones |
Nullity
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Posted - 2010.10.07 10:25:00 -
[2759]
Supported, though this thread is probably just a joke to CCP at this point.
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Kytus Bos
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Posted - 2010.10.07 20:43:00 -
[2760]
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Raidje
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:30:00 -
[2761]
supported 100%
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Chris Cochrane
Gallente modro R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.10.09 07:52:00 -
[2762]
Agreed, they need to focus more on the CSM's hot list, and less on new features.
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Arigato Gozaimasu
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Posted - 2010.10.09 11:33:00 -
[2763]
More pages!
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Flame Proof
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Posted - 2010.10.10 11:56:00 -
[2764]
Edited by: Flame Proof on 10/10/2010 11:57:27 yes
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2010.10.10 13:19:00 -
[2765]
up
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Liddan
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Posted - 2010.10.10 14:58:00 -
[2766]
Supported
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Zelot Blueice
XTC Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.10 15:48:00 -
[2767]
Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 10/10/2010 15:50:45 Too bad CCP dosnt read these threads. I bet the Mods skim over it and just go "meh..."
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Phoenix Tyrox
Krupp-Stahl Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.10 20:32:00 -
[2768]
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Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.10.20 11:10:00 -
[2769]
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.10.20 11:42:00 -
[2770]
Originally by: Zelot Blueice Too bad CCP dosnt read these threads. I bet the Mods skim over it and just go "meh..."
Actually, this exact thread was used in CCP's recent internal Kickoff presentation with a big "this thread delivers" stamp on it :D
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Train Tracks
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Posted - 2010.10.20 13:19:00 -
[2771]
supported!
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Xindrea
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Posted - 2010.10.20 14:26:00 -
[2772]
Thumbs up
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mistersparky
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.10.20 15:01:00 -
[2773]
Supported!
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Yeo San
DEFCON. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.20 16:05:00 -
[2774]
4 optional patches to get an update run really is a poor thing.
And there still is much to do, dualaccounting e.g. is now unstable, has been working very well before the patch.
"excelence" in quality would also decrease the amount of bug reports that are filed and the time it needs to react on them. i filed a bug report on oct 1st, it's not even filtered yet.
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Rickhart
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Posted - 2010.10.25 19:27:00 -
[2775]
Edited by: Rickhart on 25/10/2010 19:33:27 it is mandatory for every eve player to support this.
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Dimitryy
Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.28 13:29:00 -
[2776]
supported ------------------------------------------
Jack Blackstone > Dimitryy I hope you die. |
Reddx Panther
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Posted - 2010.10.30 13:03:00 -
[2777]
Yea, I don't like the way CCP rushes into new features. Lots of existing features are in prototypical and unfinished state. As OP says, I'd like to see some significant effort to improve 'old' features, like missions, pos management/industry interfaces or faction warfare.
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Archetype 66
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Posted - 2010.11.05 15:26:00 -
[2778]
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
FUSI0N INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2010.11.05 15:36:00 -
[2779]
Edited by: Gee****zle MacCloud on 05/11/2010 15:37:51 i understand CCP is a business and like many businesses they have to be seen to grow and grow... when people see a curve for sales figures slowly reduce in exponential growth they wonder whats going wrong.
problem im seeing is CCP want to make Eve Online more new player friendly and its coming at the cost of all of us. sadface!
supported!
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Atius Tirawa
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.05 16:38:00 -
[2780]
in teh name of 7 years +1 -----------
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Mendrik Crest
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Posted - 2010.11.05 17:25:00 -
[2781]
Supported.
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Arctic Monkey
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.11.06 04:39:00 -
[2782]
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Ric Adburr
0ccam's Razor
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Posted - 2010.11.06 04:52:00 -
[2783]
6 months doesn't really seem like enough time to create and launch a full expansion. I'd be willing to settle for one expansion a year if the expansion we got was well built and interesting. And I'd definitely like to see them revisit existing content before charging ahead with more new content.
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Ancyker
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Posted - 2010.11.08 05:44:00 -
[2784]
It should have went without saying.
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Fauja
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.11.08 06:15:00 -
[2785]
Edited by: Fauja on 08/11/2010 06:17:29
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2010.11.11 08:12:00 -
[2786]
yes, take your time and make eve better. I dont want shiny new tools, i like eve and want play the game as it was promised and everyone expected. No new expansions anymore until the game works bug free as everyone expect it. Make better whats there.
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Tekei
The Scurvy Corsairs
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Posted - 2010.11.13 18:40:00 -
[2787]
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GUBZZ
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Posted - 2010.11.13 20:41:00 -
[2788]
supported 100%
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2010.11.13 22:08:00 -
[2789]
Right now, I'd be happy with Black Ops being excellent.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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matthiastee
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Posted - 2010.11.22 16:12:00 -
[2790]
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Xynthiar
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Posted - 2010.11.22 16:55:00 -
[2791]
What anubis said :P |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.11.23 03:51:00 -
[2792]
Is there any real reason why Noah hates faction war so much?
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Tactical Miner
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Posted - 2010.11.23 06:37:00 -
[2793]
Not sorry that the next xPac was pushed back 2 months. Maybe CCP is starting to hear?
We shall see if the next release is "ready" or excellent.
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atanV
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Posted - 2010.11.23 13:22:00 -
[2794]
.
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Jai Di
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Posted - 2010.11.23 15:25:00 -
[2795]
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Singoth
Dark Shadow Industries Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.11.23 17:57:00 -
[2796]
If CCP manages to ignore this 94 page thread with nearly every poster giving his/her support, well... should say enough about CCP :)
I trust them they won't let us down though. OP definately got my support. A game doesn't need a load of features to be good. What it does need, is -you guessed it-: excellence. ------------------------------
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Takashi X2
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Posted - 2010.11.24 02:10:00 -
[2797]
No child is/was a horribly horrible horrible horrible program that brings down the overall level of education to abysmal standards..... Why would you ever reference it to a thread trying to get CCP to no leave features to rust.
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2010.11.24 10:38:00 -
[2798]
have I signed it before?
I'd like to see an expansion dedicated to bugfixing/balancing the game.
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Gallion
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.24 13:40:00 -
[2799]
as much hating as Im gonna hear... I think everything has been Excellent thus far. but maybe cause im not picky. undecided.
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2010.11.24 20:34:00 -
[2800]
annual sub canceled bye
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Tarphon
Helljumpers En Garde
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Posted - 2010.12.14 06:02:00 -
[2801]
The backlog and fixes would be the best release ever
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.15 03:47:00 -
[2802]
+1
I like PI and 'shiny new features' but this is a great point to this: many existing features in the game need fixing, be they basic outdated graphic problems (like missiles falling out of the middle of ships?) or balancing trouble (can we collectively say hybrids, BO, Ewar...hmm, this post could get too long).
I'd love to see an expansion dedicated to improving existing features: no new ships or other ways to play EVE, just fixes on new and old problems - the dead horse (POS), missile graphics, cyno effect, Black Ops, Hybrids, PI interface, ewar balances...etc. Hell, call it "EVE: Revival" or something. The learning skill shift was an excellent idea of 'working with what you have'. Why not apply this ideology to other aspects of EVE?
Many of these problems have 10's if not HUNDREDS of forum pages of player input and ideas to fixing them. As a subscriber, I don't just pay for a neat space-game (because others are free) but for an EXCELLENT space-game that gets better and better, regularly fixing its problems so that it stays excellent.
The mark of an excellent product is not its ability to stay modern, but its ability to adhere to modern standards of quality.
EVE has been an excellent game, why not keep it that way?
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Stig Sterling
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Posted - 2010.12.15 23:42:00 -
[2803]
I would just like to point out, in case CCP is actually reading this;
I would pay for an expansion that fixed existing game content!
So there it is CCP, you can bill me for $50-$100, if you fix the "hot list" in the next few years. And I am sure I'm not the only one...
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.12.16 00:06:00 -
[2804]
I'd pay to have FW plex spawning fixed so that the rest of militia can experience how awesome after dt plex fights are.
Something that adds so much depth to the game, a major expansion, hyped from the roof-tops, and broken for 2 years now.
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.16 05:20:00 -
[2805]
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith I'd pay to have FW plex spawning fixed so that the rest of militia can experience how awesome after dt plex fights are.
I'd very mucho like that
Quote:
Neu Bastian Murientor Tribe
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GENERAL EMILIO
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Posted - 2010.12.22 08:56:00 -
[2806]
Vote yes for excellence!
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Blastfizzle
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.24 12:42:00 -
[2807]
Yousaidritalin?RitalinisverygoodindeedIloveritalinitmakesmeabletodoanythingIwantasfastasIwantandnowIbidyoufarewelltheyarecomingformebutIamtoofast!
Seriously - supported. _______________________________________ I believe I can be considered one of the MOST EPIC people of ALL TIMES! |
Jita mcheck
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Posted - 2010.12.28 22:41:00 -
[2808]
/agree
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2010.12.29 01:08:00 -
[2809]
Originally by: Stig Sterling I would just like to point out, in case CCP is actually reading this;
I would pay for an expansion that fixed existing game content!
So there it is CCP, you can bill me for $50-$100, if you fix the "hot list" in the next few years. And I am sure I'm not the only one...
Me too.
When I first started this game a few months ago, I was nearly overwhelmed by all the loads and loads of content that made sense and was balanced and stuff. For a time it seems, CCP did nothing but churn out excellence. It came slowly but surely, and I have no doubt I would have stuck with EVE way back then had I started playing early on.
But more and more lately, CCP is running EVE like the other games out there. It might make a few extra people try it out, but that's not what will make them stay. What separates EVE from most games is already hard-written into it, and most people will never like it. But those of us who are here, who plan to stay here, this is exactly what we want. Excellence. Pure, smart, and balanced. And we're willing to pay for it, or to wait for it.
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MaxCpt
Pseudo Operations OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.29 14:56:00 -
[2810]
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Shin Sae
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Posted - 2011.01.03 02:43:00 -
[2811]
I agree that there is a problem here. Nearly 100 pages of thumbs point in this direction.
I don't get the big deal about putting a big bunch of new code into a so called expansion on a specific date, all at once. Couldn't there be a more dynamic approach? When a team is ready to go live with a project can't they just put up a patch to include the new content... when it's ready? The bigger changes could still be marketed as the shiney, new expansion. The smaller changes could be patched as needed. I would rather download a content patch than a repair patch.
This way projects don't have to add their code to the heap until they're ready. Or is this a problem in that programmers, like artists, are never finished with their work? Maybe they could put up a page that shows the approximate readiness of each project in % or man-hours or something to keep us anxiously waiting subscribers from popping an implant from frustration and maybe keep the employees on track.
I'm sure it's difficult to get such a creative bunch to work on mundane tasks or re-work old code when they have so many new ideas they prefer to work on. This is what good management is about though, isn't it?
I could also see a use for questionairs to get a better understanding of what pilots use/don't use/would like to use more but don't because it's broke or not what they were expecting. Possibly put in a pop-up on log-in that asks a pertinent question regarding a feature in question as well as a link to a full page of probing questions. Generally try to discover where the frustration factors are for users to be used to retain current users. I have quit Eve 2 or 3 times out of frustration. Eve has a very powerful base of loyal fans that I doubt Dust will ever have. I've seen many businessed fail for underestimating this loyalty factor. CSM has become a good step in the right direction in this regard.
I know you, CCP, have a direction you wish to go. Keep up the good work. I only ask that you strive to find a good balance between fresh content and where WE've come from.
Whew! I feel better, now... back to lurking about.
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Nader Bombsalot
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Posted - 2011.01.03 14:35:00 -
[2812]
Yep.
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Stegas Tyrano
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2011.01.03 15:33:00 -
[2813]
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EnthusiGASM
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Posted - 2011.01.05 18:43:00 -
[2814]
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SerratedX
Malevolence.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 14:59:00 -
[2815]
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NentisysX
Malevolence.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 15:00:00 -
[2816]
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.10 15:50:00 -
[2817]
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Melcairwen Taldir
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:57:00 -
[2818]
supported of course
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PLEXIN CARGO
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:01:00 -
[2819]
yezz please!
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:53:00 -
[2820]
I've always preferred quality over quantity. One good screwdriver is worth more than any number of lousy ones.
Best regards, Windjammer
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5 dorra
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Posted - 2011.01.12 09:56:00 -
[2821]
Didn't see this on page 1.
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Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.12 14:33:00 -
[2822]
[/sarcasm]I just want more and more features, even if they are barely functional or useful.[/sarcasm]
I do not care about 2 expansions a year. However if this is the decision of CCP then one expansion should be content and one should be nothing but fixes, iteration, balance, and review of existing features. I believe it has been outlined that you try to do some balance and fixing with every expansion, however I do not think that it has been working well. I think the developers would be better utilized focusing on one kind of project at a time. Either new stuff or making old stuff better. But hey if you ever do release a expansion that leaves nothing out and is bug free and well balanced on release, then sure give us 2 new expansions a year.
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Galendari
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Posted - 2011.01.14 14:45:00 -
[2823]
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Taisuke Black
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:37:00 -
[2824]
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Jey Krang
Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:45:00 -
[2825]
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Cassina Lemour
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:47:00 -
[2826]
Not seeing this in petition responses times or content. Acknowledge and investigate problems, do not dismiss petitions out of hand with working as intended when there is obviously a problem.
Not seeing this with new PI, fix the ECU raw mats routing bug, and gross inconsistency between different parts of UI.
Watch the POS fuel market go crazy in next couple of days as supply shortages kick in.
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W Floyd
Northen Star inc
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Posted - 2011.01.20 18:13:00 -
[2827]
This is my top 1 issue. Major parts of the game need to be fixed, redesigned or removed.
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Papa RainDance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 18:48:00 -
[2828]
Yes: More polished releases, more refined features, more community driven content. No: Half-baked ideas, last minute feature changes, promising something that is not delivered.
All in all, I think EVE is the best thing to happen to the mmo genre. It needs to continue to push the sci-fi genre forward in a complete and "excellent", as it were, manner.
Good Hunting, -Papa
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"Non-essential personnel, abandon ship." Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command |
Minotan
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Posted - 2011.01.20 19:43:00 -
[2829]
Its not just the stuff they have released in expansions, some things have been just plain stupid since day 1. Mining. What game developer thinks that sitting in front of an asteroid clicking a couple buttons every 3 minutes is FUN?
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Namek
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Posted - 2011.01.23 21:40:00 -
[2830]
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Cassus Temon
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Posted - 2011.01.23 23:17:00 -
[2831]
Would it surprise you if I said, "No, I don't entirely agree with you."?
I don't.
And the reason.. It's really very simple actually: I'm fully confident that CCP is capable of addressing these issues; while managing to maintain there future expansion release schedules. The problems aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be; most of what I've seen, is just gate camping on CCP's doorstep. A lot of issues are minimal impact issues, which can be addressed later; while the real existing issues, can be addressed as soon as reasonably possible.
CCP doesn't need a system for dealing with content revival; they simply need to apply balances to what is already there. Polish if you will. Some content has been left unfinished; so, they should address that, and finalize it.
So, what CCP really needs, is a core team of content fixers; a group that has one goal: Look at existing content, and apply fixes and final features to it; starting with the content that doesn't deliver, and finishing with the content that 'needs a little polish'. They could even switch between the two; for a lighter workload, once in awhile. Release all content fixes as minor patches, once per quarter; and move on to the next set of features that needs to be addressed.
I would compare this, to the guy pushing a broom around a workshop; while the rest of the crew are still working, and tossing junk about. The more effort the work crew makes to keep their area tidy; the less effort is required, by the guy with the broom. 'Broom Guy' incidently gets to replace and reorganize tools, restock inventory; and a whole bunch of other little jobs, which are not unworthy of attention.
A crew of 5-7 guys; could easily handle this.
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Steph Wing
Blame The Bunny Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:37:00 -
[2832]
This.
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BearUkraine
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Posted - 2011.02.06 02:18:00 -
[2833]
My personal opinion
Preserving the trend of development that now is, CCP slowly kills EVE as a project. And Inkarna will not help in no shape or form.
Experience of game 1.8 year.
Dear yours.
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:53:00 -
[2834]
Alright folks, what's next? Any news from CCP? I guess they're busy putting the pieces back together to what they call Eve in order to harves.. excuse me, to SERVE their customers.
Have a nice day ;-) Lax
PS: I still love this emulation of a forum "Character may only support each topic once." - Ok, I removed the tick. May I post my reply now?
"You are going too fast! Wait two minutes and try again." I guess not...
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.02.06 21:39:00 -
[2835]
Still very little excellence CCP. The continues breaking of the game by (re)introducing a ****load of bugs each expansion.
Seriously, I dread expansion days often. I'm always wondering what will be broken when I log on the first time...
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Aerich e'Kieron
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Posted - 2011.02.20 19:48:00 -
[2836]
Yes.
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sparroth
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Posted - 2011.02.23 03:31:00 -
[2837]
Perhaps they should develop a release schedule that alternates between new features and "polishing" of old ones.
maybe a release every 4 months, but every other one isn't so much a bug fix (do those in every release) as a finish the missing parts of a feature previously introduced. So we would end up with a new feature every 8 months, but it would be complete (i.e. excellent). The 4 months after initial release would give them time to add the polishing touches and determine what tweaks should be made as well...
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Tarikan
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Posted - 2011.02.23 17:24:00 -
[2838]
supported
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.02.25 06:32:00 -
[2839]
LOL, I just laugh when i see stuff like this. A company makes a game that earns them money and you believe that much effort isn't put into it. Wait till you start programming and doing business, meeting deadlines and you'll know what's up. Forums aren't made for whining like this but to actually fix things that have been tampered with or didn't come out well during induction. Microsoft would have found a way to totally annihilate viruses from their platforms if it were possible. They have a system for reporting bugs which CCP also has. They test releases before introducing them in main server. I'm tired...
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Jana N'dori
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:40:00 -
[2840]
Another round of free gametime. Come on devs, make me want to come back for real 'til next time !
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zxsteel
Darkness Of Absolution
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:41:00 -
[2841]
Edited by: zxsteel on 10/03/2011 21:41:25 People keep talking about changes to 0.0. Adding more ways in to 0.0 or changing the "Caps". Point here is fact is don't change anything with "Caps" 'just plain and easy! Give them more "THINGS" to do in game' more specialization options! I must have been here! |
Naga Tokiba
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Posted - 2011.03.12 16:46:00 -
[2842]
Supported.
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Grim Tpolemos
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Posted - 2011.03.20 05:52:00 -
[2843]
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Grim Cayden
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Posted - 2011.03.20 05:53:00 -
[2844]
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Asa Tru
Lonetrek Trade and Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.20 11:04:00 -
[2845]
Who wouldn't support this? ____ Asa Tru
"From his weapons away no one should ever stir one step on the field; for no one knows when need might have on a sudden a man of his sword."
--- Havamal 38 |
Jerika Bodet
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Posted - 2011.03.29 00:02:00 -
[2846]
Absolutely supported! In fact, Incarna what?
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Sif Wicked
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Posted - 2011.03.29 23:31:00 -
[2847]
Supported
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Producilla
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Posted - 2011.03.31 10:54:00 -
[2848]
Supported
First get current game on a higher level before we can even think of the presented 'Eve Future'
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HiRider
Macross Space Defense Squadron The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas
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Posted - 2011.04.01 03:53:00 -
[2849]
This thread will be for all time! . |
Nocpor Pas
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Posted - 2011.04.02 05:55:00 -
[2850]
Supported.
At the same time I dont think CCP will push the 6 month expantion to 9 because its on the box at best buy.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:02:00 -
[2851]
Seems relevant to bump this forums longest and most supported thread to date.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:16:00 -
[2852]
Already supported this thread in the past.
By the way, I personally thing that just having them "commit to excellence" is not enough. THE COMPANY LEADERSHIP'S MINDSET NEEDS TO CHANGE. How that can be accomplished, I don't know, but it needs to happen, and it needs to happen soon.
Anybody remember that annoyingly smug comment by a CCP representative regarding the company direction ? Can anybody link it ? You know the one I'm talking about... the one with "new features sell, polished content doesn't"... .../facepalm. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:55:00 -
[2853]
Edited by: Calathea Sata on 10/04/2011 03:55:00 Thank you Akita T for being the voice of many - I have the same complains (as I have already shown) but I'm too lazy to type; your committment to getting the message across is highly supported and appreciated.
Originally by: Akita T Already supported this thread in the past.
By the way, I personally thing that just having them "commit to excellence" is not enough. THE COMPANY LEADERSHIP'S MINDSET NEEDS TO CHANGE. How that can be accomplished, I don't know, but it needs to happen, and it needs to happen soon.
Anybody remember that annoyingly smug comment by a CCP representative regarding the company direction ? Can anybody link it ? You know the one I'm talking about... the one with "new features sell, polished content doesn't"... .../facepalm.
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Ed Rush
Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.10 09:29:00 -
[2854]
:thumbs:
FIX LAG
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Lev Aeris
b.b.k Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:26:00 -
[2855]
Edited by: Lev Aeris on 10/04/2011 12:36:52
crafts+man (krftsmn) n. A man who practices a craft with great skill.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.11 04:18:00 -
[2856]
Supporting this because it deserves to be supported, even though dear god 96 pages and ccp still rushes crap out the door. What little remaining faith I had in CCP just died I think |
Typhado3
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Posted - 2011.04.11 08:40:00 -
[2857]
signed while I still can ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker
I'm keeping the Silhouette till I have tats - I HAVE TATS \o/, behold mortals |
Volkon
Caldari Eternal Night Dynamics
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Posted - 2011.04.11 11:28:00 -
[2858]
/signed...
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Heavenly Blues
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Posted - 2011.04.11 11:32:00 -
[2859]
Edited by: Heavenly Blues on 11/04/2011 11:32:40 They already acknowledged this thread with words last fan fest.
Time to acknowledge it with Actions.
Talk is cheap.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:15:00 -
[2860]
Edited by: Super Whopper on 11/04/2011 12:18:07
Originally by: Ed Rush :thumbs:
FIX LAG
Fix lag? So, we can pile even more players in a system? They are always 'fixing' lag. Lag becomes irritating when there're only 100-200 in system, like after Dominion when 50 vs 50 fights were almost impossible. Now we can pile over 1000 in system with manageable lag.
Quote: Character may only support each topic once.
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Kristina Vanszar
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:43:00 -
[2861]
supported
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Gripen
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Posted - 2011.04.11 15:37:00 -
[2862]
Originally by: Akita T Anybody remember that annoyingly smug comment by a CCP representative regarding the company direction ? Can anybody link it ? You know the one I'm talking about... the one with "new features sell, polished content doesn't"... .../facepalm.
Originally by: CCP Incognito Things that are new are things that sell EvE and bring in new players, are also cool and shiny... Reworking old stuff only has a small impact, so is less cost effective...
Sad cold truth there....
From here.
Originally by: CSM-CCP Meeting minutes It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features.
From page 6 of CSM-CCP Meeting minutes.
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Darjeedis
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:13:00 -
[2863]
I wonder if 100+ pages of hate might get CCPs attention.
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Boonaki
Focused Annihilation Detrimental Imperative
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Posted - 2011.04.12 05:07:00 -
[2864]
Supported!
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Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.04.30 06:42:00 -
[2865]
Supported
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Duvida
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.02 17:45:00 -
[2866]
Edited by: Duvida on 02/05/2011 17:47:09 Could we get this stickied? Learning... |
Lolmer
Merciless Reckoning
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Posted - 2011.05.02 22:29:00 -
[2867]
+1
Six months is plenty of time, they just need to prioritize based on how much time they have. Can't cram an elephant into a thumbnail. Small iterations over time will lead to less bugs each iteration, show constant improvements, and allow for smaller grained feedback rather than massive bursts of "this sucks".
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Talicmar
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Posted - 2011.05.09 20:06:00 -
[2868]
I believe that any product that is truly excellent must go beyond normal constraints. I am a fan of Diablo, 1 through LOD I am a fan. Today I wait for Diablo 3 with Anticipation and excitement. Yet I believe that I must be patient. But in Eve we already have our Diablo 3. The game sits before us waiting for us to take hold and enjoy. So today I ask for something I think only a truly Dedicated fan can ask for, Please CCP take your time, I will continue to pay my dues and peer at your art through a tiny computer screen. You have worked long and hard, The foundation is formed, now it is time to plant the garden and paint the walls. It is time for a classic to be formed.
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Jana N'dori
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.05.12 18:36:00 -
[2869]
More free gametime. Three years and so little has changed. Still praying for that miracle
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BetsyAnn Tractorfarmer
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Posted - 2011.05.13 08:48:00 -
[2870]
Supporting this.
CCP should start at least showing some degree of working toward excellence instead of the crap that they're doing now.
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Lusulpher
Gallente Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 06:52:00 -
[2871]
Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 30/05/2010 12:58:59
A year later we are still heading down the failed path...turn it around, help us, help you. We have ideas for gameplay, we have experts on balance, economists who predict your market behaviour. And computers we would volunteer via programs like folding@home if you want simulations run.
This is not an un-fixable game. This game is not expensive to fix. Get started.
Notified I already supported.[had to wait 2 mins ] Creative Customer Person 7 |
Antadark
The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:40:00 -
[2872]
Meh, I would say it is way past time to work on content such as Faction Warfare and other previous releases. Brazil |
Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.18 01:44:00 -
[2873]
Still supported... even if this "forum" won't let me support it as often as would apparently be necessary
+1
Regards, Lax
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Old Nimrod
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:06:00 -
[2874]
After watching CQ, and the Aurum, and overall a lot of wasted dev time, I'd liek to bring this back up
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Bieber Fever
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:58:00 -
[2875]
Incarna makes this the most hilarious thread on the forum, except that monocle ganking one.
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Ryona Highwind
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:58:00 -
[2876]
supported
Not that it will do much good, ccp doesnt care what we think. I wonder if they will care if they lose all there subscribers?
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Amaldor Themodius
Psykotic Meat
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:03:00 -
[2877]
+1 great write up OP
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Amoes Sten
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:15:00 -
[2878]
+1
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Ospie
The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:16:00 -
[2879]
This thread makes me sad now.
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Meldrich
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:28:00 -
[2880]
I approve.
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Diamaht Nevain
Avatar Union
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:58:00 -
[2881]
Supported =============================== Two words: Internet Spaceships |
Tony 2fingers
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:31:00 -
[2882]
Great Idea Dierdra, fully support the intent of this post.
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Maul555
Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:39:00 -
[2883]
/signed and supported
I will be holding my breath for the old ship hangar option to come back... I pray I wont have to hold it too long...
CCP, is anyone home?
The EVE Personality Test
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Adrian Dixon
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:14:00 -
[2884]
+1
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Pasadenasman
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:30:00 -
[2885]
+1
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Tel'Kar'Tir
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:06:00 -
[2886]
MT's can burn
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Egilmonsc
Massively Mob
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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:41:00 -
[2887]
Supported in memory of Faction War. --- Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see. |
Ruihi
RUUKKI
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:32:00 -
[2888]
i support this proposal. I would like to see more fixes rather then new content such as CQ.
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Hustra Deonia
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:21:00 -
[2889]
+1
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Spartis Reave
Gallente Applied Creations
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:23:00 -
[2890]
+1
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buck herrick
SS-20
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:29:00 -
[2891]
yuppers
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Mardock Daye
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:30:00 -
[2892]
+1
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Danomite
Caldari BlackOmega Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:57:00 -
[2893]
+1
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Modahn Etch
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:28:00 -
[2894]
Yes.
Sadly, I no longer have any faith in CCP... but I hope CCP wakes up in time to listen to the community's input and save this game.
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Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:07:00 -
[2895]
+1
Not sure if CCP cares (or has ever cared) to listen to this particular message, especially at this point in time, but that makes it no less laudable for all that. It is worthy of support at all times.
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TANSTAAFL! |
Chien Lang
Minmatar Shamba Freedom Forces
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:11:00 -
[2896]
+1
Why would CCP knowingly release a broken mac client? Issues were reported (as best as could be possible, given that the mac singularity client was also broken) way before TQ release, and yet these issues were ignored.
This is Excellence? <feels cold, smoky wind on my backside>
And fix the !#$@ jukebox. It's been 2 years. |
Sgt Maru
Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:30:00 -
[2897]
+1 /supported
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Arias Dren
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:48:00 -
[2898]
Do you think we're all rich, CCP...? Surprisingly, that's not the case.
$19.99-per-month.
No content left out. Do it this way, or you suck... and guess what? I don't pay half-the-cost-for-a-new-AAA-title every-damn-month on the dot, for games from suck-ass developers.
+1
/signed.
Have a nice day.
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Manique
Ominous Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:40:00 -
[2899]
/SUPPORTED
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Gevlin
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:21:00 -
[2900]
sorry can't support this.
Some feature may have been promised or proposed have to be left behind because of programing difficulties.
I do not want to play a game that is going to to spend $20 Million on allowing me to launch my frigate out of a mothership when that same $20 Million can be put towards making wormholes, T3 cruisers.
You have to be able to apply your resources to where they have the larges effect. When time changes and your gradual replacement of the code makes that feature practical to implimement... then pick up that fallen feature on your way though. here we go again! |
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Nude Thought
White Nova Industries AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:16:00 -
[2901]
+1
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Linoa Hiroshi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:52:00 -
[2902]
Incarna is a dangerous way for Eve Online. I hope CCP can change now, to survive in this way of excellence we love. Eve online isn't a game with possibilities of "free to play" methods, with monocle which cost more of two month of playing, without listening the community and background stories. Please, don't break all the world you made possible. +1 for New Eden. +1 for slogan of CCP : Excellence. +1 "because in fact, excellence is sacrificed time and time again to the big god of the release schedule and new features."
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Klytie Ulloriaq
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:35:00 -
[2903]
Supported
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.07.02 10:34:00 -
[2904]
The OP makes an awful lot of sense and points out blazingly obvious flaws in CCPs behaviour. Which is why it will never be fixed unless CCP is properly medicated :-( -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Yuna Hiroshi
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Posted - 2011.07.02 10:50:00 -
[2905]
+1
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Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.07.02 15:34:00 -
[2906]
Edited by: Sylthi on 02/07/2011 15:34:48 They don't care, and they won't do anything that benefits the players. They will only work on stuff from now on that they think will bring CCP more money. But, sure, have a +1 for the sake of what Eve COULD be if CCP cared about it or us. *
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Obviously Confidential
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Posted - 2011.07.04 09:19:00 -
[2907]
EVE is a sandbox world that needs constant and focused development.
It's not a scripted game that you can leave to go develop other things.
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Miss Jolly
Contumacious Elevation
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Posted - 2011.07.25 16:07:00 -
[2908]
Beautiful..
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Lowkey Asgaurd
Fluffy Carebears
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Posted - 2011.07.27 08:55:00 -
[2909]
Good proposal, agreed.
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Argus Kell
Lost Enterprises... SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2011.07.27 11:58:00 -
[2910]
Edited by: Argus Kell on 27/07/2011 11:58:15 Agreed. There are features I got excited about that never went anywhere great (namely Faction Warfare and Exploration). I want them to stop making the equivalent of in-game mini-games and instead take a long hard look at everything we have already and fatten those features up.
Argus
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David Fightmaster
The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.07.27 18:25:00 -
[2911]
They never listen. They'll just add to their NEX.
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Jonas Xiamon
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Posted - 2011.07.27 19:52:00 -
[2912]
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Rushnik
Anhalter's Minions
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Posted - 2011.07.28 06:02:00 -
[2913]
Edited by: Rushnik on 28/07/2011 06:02:12 It never gets old
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.28 16:03:00 -
[2914]
This is CCP's Commitment to Excellence.
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Fayetal
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Posted - 2011.08.01 08:44:00 -
[2915]
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Constantinee
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.08.15 06:59:00 -
[2916]
Originally by: Seph Res im looking forward for you to lead another op down the drain, and no i didnt lost any of my dreads, but killed you and the fat girl, it was fun for me
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.15 11:27:00 -
[2917]
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Kaelie Onren
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Posted - 2011.08.15 11:45:00 -
[2918]
With the addendum, "no GOOD features left behind". You know, just to be precise here. We wouldn't want all those MT for SP winners to have their way.
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Riveting Tale Sibling
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Posted - 2011.08.26 22:20:00 -
[2919]
With the recent complete lack of information in the new dev. blog, and the complete skullhammering of autopilot/routes today, +1.
Hell, +100 if I could. Fix your product, CCP.
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Krystal Flores
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.09.05 03:59:00 -
[2920]
wtb commitment to excellence
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