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Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2010.05.30 20:31:00 - [61] This has been covered countless times. PvE is a way to raise funds, and is typically a grind. Decreasing income by grinding in lowsec is not an optimization. PvE will NOT be compatible with PvP until PvE content is blobbable. It has nothing to do with skills, fits, alertness or balls. It has everything to do with the agressor (or more typically agressorS) being able to choose whether and how to engage with the maximum advantage. OP: simply move to the more commonly used mission hubs and away from the less used agents. Problem solved. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.05.30 20:35:00 - [62] Originally by: JCache As long as PVE requires different fittings than PVP low sec for missions is out of the question. Gazelle does not try and kill the lion to defend itself, gazelle tries to run from lion. With a pretty much similar concept, lowsec missions are not a problem, and actually more fun that hisec.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.05.30 20:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Clair Bear This has been covered countless times. PvE is a way to raise funds, and is typically a grind. Decreasing income by grinding in lowsec is not an optimization. PvE will NOT be compatible with PvP until PvE content is blobbable. It has nothing to do with skills, fits, alertness or balls. It has everything to do with the agressor (or more typically agressorS) being able to choose whether and how to engage with the maximum advantage. OP: simply move to the more commonly used mission hubs and away from the less used agents. Problem solved. Pity there aren't level 5 missions that work well with a coordinated group doing them. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
magichatno9	Posted - 2010.05.30 20:55:00 - [64] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Professor Tarantula When's the last time you heard about a new Alliance of hisec people fighting and working to claim a meaningful section of 0.0? Don't know if they're the last butà àgoons. Uhhh... Goons never lived in highsec???? what are you talking about
Zuretul Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 21:03:00 - [65] Originally by: Primus Danubius Playing Eve since more than 3 months, my wife and me conclude: If Agent missions have this high probability for LowSec, especially storyline missions, as we found out, we feel free to say, that Tyrannis is nothing for us, so we think about leaving Eve. We also want to mention, that we loved this game and we loved making missions, but only in HighSec, because it will take us years, before we have the skills for LowSec and if we had this skills, we would not like to go there, because we want some kind of Fairness in everey game we play. The version before Tyrannis enabled fair agent missions, this is gone. Maybe you and your wife should throw your laptops away and have sex sometimes? And after that try out PVP'n?
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.30 21:06:00 - [66] Notes the lack of op posts in the thread You are all wasting your time. He is either trolling or he is trolling. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
JCache Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.30 21:57:00 - [67] Let's just sum up what was changed and how the players will adapt and die... most of the MR will move even deeper into highsec in order to avoid lowsec missions more lagging mission hubs like Motsu will be formed naturally mission hubs will attract ninjas, which are waaaay cooler than pirates BTW salvage nerf will force ninjas to loot, which means that MRs are allowed to attack them since every ninja has a pvp ship ready, some MRs will die horribly... So, if the goal was to motivate some carebears to do some pvp this change might actually work. Not the way they planned it, but still... But if they wanted to balance the load on their servers, this approach will be a epic fail.
Psilocin GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.05.30 22:03:00 - [68] I'M A BIG LAZY WHINER AND I HAVE RIGHTS
Capt Fossil Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 22:07:00 - [69] Originally by: Psilocin I'M A BIG LAZY GOON AND I HAVE INTELLECT
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.05.31 00:35:00 - [70] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 31/05/2010 00:37:39 Originally by: Tippia In fact, everyone started out in highsec, but that is not an impediment to taking space: rallying enough numbers to do so is. The whole "onoz, poor highsec people" babble is just misdirection. But it's no longer a matter of simple numbers, like it was with the goons starting out nearly 5 years ago now. Alliances in 0.0 have wealth hisec people can't even imagine, because they keep getting isk hurled at them every expansion, and now they're getting more. like i've already said, there's no way a hisec alliance can compete with that kind of funding, and the ability to buy and replace so many ships. The "EVEian dream" of everyone having a chance to carve out a place in 0.0 is BS and propaganda. You've got too many wealthy and entrenched alliances who'll crush anyone that tries to take and use systems they don't plan to use. They have no regard for what's best for the EVE community as a whole, and just want their precious blob on the sov map. I had hope at one time CCP realized this flaw, but it appears, much like yourself, they just keep blaming the hisec players instead of questioning how things are set up. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.

Svarty II Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.31 00:43:00 - [71] Originally by: JCache As long as PVE requires different fittings than PVP low sec for missions is out of the question. QFT. Frankly, expecting people to PVE in a PVP zone (in any game) is completely ridiculous.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.05.31 03:24:00 - [72] grow some balls then grow some hair on them
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:29:00 - [73] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 31/05/2010 00:37:39 Originally by: Tippia In fact, everyone started out in highsec, but that is not an impediment to taking space: rallying enough numbers to do so is. The whole "onoz, poor highsec people" babble is just misdirection. But it's no longer a matter of simple numbers, like it was with the goons starting out nearly 5 years ago now. Alliances in 0.0 have wealth hisec people can't even imagine, because they keep getting isk hurled at them every expansion, and now they're getting more. like i've already said, there's no way a hisec alliance can compete with that kind of funding, and the ability to buy and replace so many ships. The "EVEian dream" of everyone having a chance to carve out a place in 0.0 is BS and propaganda. You've got too many wealthy and entrenched alliances who'll crush anyone that tries to take and use systems they don't plan to use. They have no regard for what's best for the EVE community as a whole, and just want their precious blob on the sov map. I had hope at one time CCP realized this flaw, but it appears, much like yourself, they just keep blaming the hisec players instead of questioning how things are set up. Prof. the map of Providence begs to differ. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Ranger 1 Prof. the map of Providence begs to differ. So, what, one region changed hands in half a year? I dwell in 0.0, and I must say, a reboot of SOV would at least shake things up a little. Currently, we have a Cold War with some flames flicking here and there, but the entrenchment factor rivals that of 1916 Flanders. OTOH, more and more systems are getting rented out, even if at horribly feudalistic (or even worse, at least in the middle ages, your lord protected you) rates.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2010.05.31 06:51:00 - [75] Perfectly valid complaint ruined by being turned into an ignorant whine. /sigh But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.31 10:18:00 - [76] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 31/05/2010 10:27:27 Originally by: Primus Danubius Playing Eve since more than 3 months, my wife and me conclude: If Agent missions have this high probability for LowSec, especially storyline missions, as we found out, we feel free to say, that Tyrannis is nothing for us, so we think about leaving Eve. We also want to mention, that we loved this game and we loved making missions, but only in HighSec, because it will take us years, before we have the skills for LowSec and if we had this skills, we would not like to go there, because we want some kind of Fairness in everey game we play. The version before Tyrannis enabled fair agent missions, this is gone. EVE doesn't need massive skills finally. It needs PATIENCE. I started 10 months pure high-sec missions before I ended in my first low-sec by researching BPO's. I wasn't greedy for higher income. I had my personal challange to master lvl's 4 solo in a Brutix and later in a Myrm. Finally I made my first low-sec missions in Uphallant. With more experience, skills and in your case - perfectly - a partner on your side this should be an easy task with a bit risk and IF you do it right you will have fun and a bit more thrill. Optimally would be an alt with cloaking capabilities like a Cov Ops. It's fast skilled and you can scout your way into low-sec etc. EVE has a lot of fairness if you are not too stupid or just too unexperienced. This is not an Arcade game. It's a game highly affected and changed time by time by thousands of player. That's the reason why it's called: MMORPG! You can't expect a "walkthrough" for you personally but you can make things very easy and without risk depending where and with whom you are. Everyone has a different path but at the end we all need to pay a price for a learning curve. If you play it over years intense with the will of learning and adapting you will be amazed how far you can go. In 2006 I was watching vids of massive fleet battles and I was sure I never would join such a fight. I wasn't aware that I would switch someday to 100% PvP. It all was totally abstract to me because of my limited rl time, the fear to lose expensive stuff, no idea how to fit for PvP, low skills ... just no balls and enough ISK at this time to do something risky. Today I am part of a great corp, I have joined so many fleets I can't count actually and I had my 400 vs 400 battles. I could write books about my EVE history. And I am still satisfied that the game was going more awesome for me than ever expected in 2006/7. The only advice I can give: stay, adapt, learn, skill, join a good corp with experience pilots what will boost your learning immense, talk a lot and listen to pro's and never give up even how much you lose. Everything will be balanced for you when you keep patience with the right understanding how the game generally has to work with so many players. Or it's just not the right game for you and you need to quit. It makes no sense if you have no fun. Over the years there was so much to complain about changes. But at the end: adapt and it will be fine. Really. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. StevieSG
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.05.31 12:07:00 - [77] Originally by: Primus Danubius Playing Eve since more than 3 months, my wife and me conclude: If Agent missions have this high probability for LowSec, especially storyline missions, as we found out, we feel free to say, that Tyrannis is nothing for us, so we think about leaving Eve. We also want to mention, that we loved this game and we loved making missions, but only in HighSec, because it will take us years, before we have the skills for LowSec and if we had this skills, we would not like to go there, because we want some kind of Fairness in everey game we play. The version before Tyrannis enabled fair agent missions, this is gone. Fairness? You obviously have no idea what EVE is about. Who ever said life was fair or should be? The same goes in EVE even more so. Very clueless...
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.05.31 14:36:00 - [78] Originally by: Ranger 1 Prof. the map of Providence begs to differ. Isolated case. And AAA likely abandoned those systems. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Sellmewarez	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:01:00 - [79] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 31/05/2010 00:37:39 Originally by: Tippia In fact, everyone started out in highsec, but that is not an impediment to taking space: rallying enough numbers to do so is. The whole "onoz, poor highsec people" babble is just misdirection. But it's no longer a matter of simple numbers, like it was with the goons starting out nearly 5 years ago now. Alliances in 0.0 have wealth hisec people can't even imagine, because they keep getting isk hurled at them every expansion, and now they're getting more. like i've already said, there's no way a hisec alliance can compete with that kind of funding, and the ability to buy and replace so many ships. The "EVEian dream" of everyone having a chance to carve out a place in 0.0 is BS and propaganda. You've got too many wealthy and entrenched alliances who'll crush anyone that tries to take and use systems they don't plan to use. They have no regard for what's best for the EVE community as a whole, and just want their precious blob on the sov map. I had hope at one time CCP realized this flaw, but it appears, much like yourself, they just keep blaming the hisec players instead of questioning how things are set up. Prof. the map of Providence begs to differ. What about providence? All i see is AAA pets. If you are talking about old provi, then i agree.
Blueberrie Caldari United Miners and Manufacturers Co. Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:02:00 - [80] Originally by: Donny Maurasi I hear it's all high sec and sunny days in Hello Kitty Online. Perhaps that's a better suited game for you? ****ing l-o-l

Leaving Eve Send Your Stuff To Me Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Primus Danubius so we think about leaving Eve. Well I'm touched. (In all the right places too) But if you are Leaving Eve, I am actually the CEO and CFO, infact the only one in control of the Official Leaving Eve fund. You can contract all items to me and donate any ISK you see fit, to the fund.
Sellmewarez	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:11:00 - [82] That can i have your stuff meme is so played out and boring. Get some new material folks
Pennwisedom Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:17:00 - [83] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 30/05/2010 15:54:44 Originally by: Ferdio Ricotez Planets in W-Space give you more than 3x as much yield as planets in hisec. I assume planets in low- and nullsec have increased deposits as well. It's much more profitable to colonize low/nullsec, but also much more risky. As it should be. Risk vs. reward, that's what EVE is all about, and Tyrannis is no different. There is no risk/reward in most of 0.0. The vast majority is a hugfest with less violence than your average hisec system. You can fly around for days in those large sprawling sovs unchallenged, which is why they've made it so you can't use planets in someone elses sov. The fantasy and the reality of risk/reward in this game don't match up. There's also very little risk in sitting on a gate in lowsec with a bunch of friends shooting fish in a barrel, or preying on poor fools in PvE fits trying to do a mission there. CCP needs to take a good hard look at their game, and question alot of the things they believe about it. They should know by now that dropping more isk into the laps of 0.0 dwellers doesn't lure more people into 0.0, it just further entrenches those alliances already established, and makes it harder for any new ones to compete. See, now this might be a fine post if it wasn't incredibly misleading because of some whine. 0.0 is supposed to have no rules except those that the players set themselves. There is plenty of inherent risk in 0.0 and the only reason this "hugfest" that you speak of exists is because the players themselves have taken effort to make it that way. There is no reason that those who have taken steps to minimize risk in their own space should reap the rewards.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:25:00 - [84] Eve is an interesting game in that people spend so much time trying to defend their playstyle as "the way the game must be played". The very same people will tell you that EvE is a sandbox game.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:43:00 - [85] Seen threads like this 1000x already and I'll still never understand the people who confine themselves to hi-sec L4 Missions are soul-destroying and don't even make that much ISK. - Malyutka (The Virus) -
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:57:00 - [86] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 31/05/2010 00:37:39 Originally by: Tippia In fact, everyone started out in highsec, but that is not an impediment to taking space: rallying enough numbers to do so is. The whole "onoz, poor highsec people" babble is just misdirection. But it's no longer a matter of simple numbers, like it was with the goons starting out nearly 5 years ago now. Alliances in 0.0 have wealth hisec people can't even imagine, because they keep getting isk hurled at them every expansion, and now they're getting more. like i've already said, there's no way a hisec alliance can compete with that kind of funding, and the ability to buy and replace so many ships. The "EVEian dream" of everyone having a chance to carve out a place in 0.0 is BS and propaganda. You've got too many wealthy and entrenched alliances who'll crush anyone that tries to take and use systems they don't plan to use. They have no regard for what's best for the EVE community as a whole, and just want their precious blob on the sov map. I had hope at one time CCP realized this flaw, but it appears, much like yourself, they just keep blaming the hisec players instead of questioning how things are set up. Over the last few months my corp has been running a successfull gurilla war against rebellion and vanguard who have chosen to set up shop in what we consider our home systems in 0.0. There is not a day that goes by where we dont get kills in hostile systems with upwards of 50 to 100 in local. It is indeed the falt of high sec players who don't even try. Yes its hard, no it will not make you the billions of the large alliences but if like my corp, you are too stubborn to surrender and you have the balls to try then you can get away with almost anything.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:57:00 - [87] Originally by: Sellmewarez Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 31/05/2010 00:37:39 Originally by: Tippia In fact, everyone started out in highsec, but that is not an impediment to taking space: rallying enough numbers to do so is. The whole "onoz, poor highsec people" babble is just misdirection. But it's no longer a matter of simple numbers, like it was with the goons starting out nearly 5 years ago now. Alliances in 0.0 have wealth hisec people can't even imagine, because they keep getting isk hurled at them every expansion, and now they're getting more. like i've already said, there's no way a hisec alliance can compete with that kind of funding, and the ability to buy and replace so many ships. The "EVEian dream" of everyone having a chance to carve out a place in 0.0 is BS and propaganda. You've got too many wealthy and entrenched alliances who'll crush anyone that tries to take and use systems they don't plan to use. They have no regard for what's best for the EVE community as a whole, and just want their precious blob on the sov map. I had hope at one time CCP realized this flaw, but it appears, much like yourself, they just keep blaming the hisec players instead of questioning how things are set up. Prof. the map of Providence begs to differ. What about providence? All i see is AAA pets. If you are talking about old provi, then i agree. Old Provi would have been an example of stagnation. If you think new Provi is full of pets, then you are ignorant of the facts. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Sellmewarez	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:24:00 - [88] Originally by: Ranger 1 Old Provi would have been an example of stagnation. If you think new Provi is full of pets, then you are ignorant of the facts. Sorry to have to tell you this but your alliance and every other alliance in the nu provi is indeed a pet. You will come to the same realisation in time i promise
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.31 18:51:00 - [89] Quote: It is indeed the falt of high sec players who don't even try. This thread is ****ing epic. the logic is so non-sequitur its surreal. "at least trying" to pvp has nothing to do with running level 4 missions. To the OP, your income got nerfed slightly, deal with it. It didnt get nerfed enough for you and your wife to not be able to afford to play, you'll make slightly less loyalty points. This is clearly a signature.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.05.31 19:01:00 - [90] Originally by: Sellmewarez Originally by: Ranger 1 Old Provi would have been an example of stagnation. If you think new Provi is full of pets, then you are ignorant of the facts. Sorry to have to tell you this but your alliance and every other alliance in the nu provi is indeed a pet. You will come to the same realisation in time i promise If your definition of "pet" is someone who does not pay any rent, shoot whomever they like, are under no obligation to support anyone else in time of war then I suppose you would be correct. For the rest of EVE, our definition is a wee bit different. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.



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