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Scott Woods Caldari Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.05.31 04:07:00 - [1] Just wanted to let you all know, the third party service guy "Grendell" recently stole billions from my corp, leveraging the trust people HAD in him in the process. He had his main "Odet" joined my corp, and signed on to Grendell for the leadership and myself to prove that it was really him "so we could trust him". He then used the trust we gave him due to this connection to steal around 10 billion after offering to help with industry for the corp, over 6 of that from the corp wallet, and several billion of that in minerals, mods, and pos equipment from the corp office bay. If you see a lotto or other scan that uses him for a third party service, be worried. He is currently using both his alts and his friends alts to try to hide this all, but the fact is I feel that it should be known so that people can protect themselves. Also, several corp members have stated that his friends that left with him also took advantage of the recent logistics/move and stole peoples private stuff. If you want to do a lotto, go with chribba or somebody trustworthy, my advice is to stay away from Grendell for the indefinite future. It should be noted that before leaving, I and others on my corp heard him bragging on coms about how he was going to cash in on grendell's rep someday soon.. I guess we should have taken the hint. Protect yourelf and dont' be his next victim.
Macrochick	Posted - 2010.05.31 04:13:00 - [2] Is this the same Scott Woods who spent 5mins shooting an agent in space? Also are you the same Scott Woods who called a beacon primary?
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.05.31 04:16:00 - [3] 1) Please provide some proof. Baseless accusations are fun, but if you want people to believe you then SOMETHING more than just 'waah waah waah, he stole my stuff' 2) You gave him access to the corp wallet. You fool. 3) Everyone will one day cash in on their good reputation. The day when Chribba does it, we are all ****ed. 4) You gave him access to the corp wallet. You fool. 5) All lottos are scams.
Scott Woods Caldari Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.05.31 04:21:00 - [4] Originally by: Macrochick Is this the same Scott Woods who spent 5mins shooting an agent in space? Also are you the same Scott Woods who called a beacon primary? Lies! It was 10 minutes, actually. I really hated that agent, you know the type! And the beacon was hostile so its all good, remember RZR is a NBSI corp so I was only following my FC's orders. :P
Eska Royson Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.31 04:34:00 - [5] Screenshots or some actual proof of gtfo
John'eh Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.05.31 04:44:00 - [6] Confirming Odet is Grendell. - John'eh Your Critics Are Your Best Friends, because they help you find your faults and help you improve to be better. Don't take my criticisms personally, I care about Eve just as much as you
Nonexistent Face	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:07:00 - [7] Originally by: John'eh Confirming Odet is Grendell. Confirming I am Chribba.
Tortugan Internal Anarchy Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:18:00 - [8] IT'S OK GUISE. I HAVE INDISPUTABLE PROOF... ...THAT MY NAME IS TORTUGAN. :D
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Scott Woods 1. Look at the corp histories of myself and Odet. Contact me in game if you want to talk to people who had stuff stolen. Errr... no.. If you cant post it here then dont accuse someone of it here. Originally by: Scott Woods 2. I never gave him access, that would be my heavy russian accent start fearless leader heavy Russian accent stop that made that absolutely brilliant choice. OK fair enough, not your fault.. But you get me point..
Scott Woods Caldari Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Scott Woods 1. Look at the corp histories of myself and Odet. Contact me in game if you want to talk to people who had stuff stolen. Errr... no.. If you cant post it here then dont accuse someone of it here. Saddly I'm informed if I try it will be in violation of forum rules as logs, etc are not allowed to be posted.. hence the request.

Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.05.31 06:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Scott Woods Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Scott Woods 1. Look at the corp histories of myself and Odet. Contact me in game if you want to talk to people who had stuff stolen. Errr... no.. If you cant post it here then dont accuse someone of it here. Saddly I'm informed if I try it will be in violation of forum rules as logs, etc are not allowed to be posted.. hence the request. Feel free to mail it to me.. Thanks to evegate I don't have to log in to get mail anymore! (You all be never seein me in game again)
Poo Ka'hontas Red Eye Brigade	Posted - 2010.05.31 07:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Lana Torrin Feel free to mail it to me.. Thanks to evegate I don't have to log in to get mail anymore! (You all be never seein me in game again) Soooo... you are saying that someone, at one time in history, has actually seen you ingame? Originally by: CCP Fallout No. CCP Shadow should behave the same way forums do during downtime. Up, but maybe a little slow.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.05.31 07:25:00 - [13] Reserved. Will reply when it isn't 3am.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.05.31 07:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Lana Torrin on 31/05/2010 07:30:54 Originally by: Poo Ka'hontas Originally by: Lana Torrin Feel free to mail it to me.. Thanks to evegate I don't have to log in to get mail anymore! (You all be never seein me in game again) Soooo... you are saying that someone, at one time in history, has actually seen you ingame? But of cource! I had to log in at LEAST once to make this funkie corp, and then again when I need to accept my alts (or other peoples alts, or whatever). What will REALLY surprise you is that I have been podded once, meaning I even undocked.. Edit: Originally by: Grendell Reserved. Will reply when it isn't 3am. You have already said 7 words to many..
Poo Ka'hontas Red Eye Brigade	Posted - 2010.05.31 07:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Lana Torrin But of cource! I had to log in at LEAST once to make this funkie corp, and then again when I need to accept my alts (or other peoples alts, or whatever). What will REALLY surprise you is that I have been podded once, meaning I even undocked.. ..Oh the horror.. @Grendel: You are just SO guilty arent you? Originally by: CCP Fallout No. CCP Shadow should behave the same way forums do during downtime. Up, but maybe a little slow.
JASON W0RTHING Nomad LLP Wayfarer Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2010.05.31 08:10:00 - [16] yeah, proof or gtfo. Srsly. Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
Tach Narrows Eden Security Intelligence	Posted - 2010.05.31 08:21:00 - [17] Without proof, there's no point to this topic.
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.31 08:28:00 - [18] Oh Grendell, how could you?
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.31 08:29:00 - [19] Confirming I have met Lana Torrin in game. You see? Evidence isn't so hard. ~_~
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.05.31 09:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Lady Spank Confirming I have met Lana Torrin in game. You see? Evidence isn't so hard. Bah, that was back when i thought you were just a forum alt.. Good job i didn't go with plan A and honour tank the rifter..

Stinky Sphincter	Posted - 2010.05.31 09:13:00 - [21] So you gave a this guy who you didn't really know roles and he robbed you.hmmm Does this surprize you? If so can I be a director in your corp? If not can you just give me your isk? P.S QQ no one cares that you got robbed
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.05.31 10:43:00 - [22] confirming that Scott Woods is Grendell
Hinkledolph Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.31 11:35:00 - [23] Thank you for warning me. I almost invested lots of money in what could have been a scam... Grendell has no hono(u)r.
Grimveous Minmatar Dashavatara Clownz'R'Us	Posted - 2010.05.31 11:54:00 - [24] Confirming that Scott woods is a real life superhero. I eat bunnies, ich esse hassen, karl tenderises the bunnies before i eat them
xeneon	Posted - 2010.05.31 13:07:00 - [25] Why would he bother for 10bn?
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.05.31 13:31:00 - [26] I'm calling bull** without proof tbh, 10bn is like pocket change to Grendell. I can't see him doing it unless he was exceedingly bored. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<**
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Bite me inc.	Posted - 2010.05.31 13:48:00 - [27] Originally by: xeneon Why would he bother for 10bn? This is exactly the reason why this has to be fake. If Grendell or Chribba or Darkness or anyone else in that particular business (I stay away from such enterprises so only know the ones I've heard of) would decide to 'cash in' on their reputation (and I agree with Lana here that it WILL eventually have to happen) why would they settle for +-10b isk from some irrelevant corporation like yours? Chribba alone has like 50 alts, and I don't know how they are all skilled up, but seeing as he does a lot of super capital 3rd party transfers I would assume at least 10 - 20 of them are super-capable meaning if he times his 'cash in' right he could get away with over 10 titans/motherships/whatever which, depending on fittings, should yield a nice profit in the ranges of 1 trillion isk at the very minimum which would mean AT LEAST 100x more than what you claim Grendell stole from you. Even if the plan of getting +- 10 people to hand over their super capital to you at the same time doesn't seem plausible to you, a few simultaneous lotteries with big prizes would straighten that stuff right up (not only would he be holding the prizes, which can range from a few faction battleships to a 'few' supercapitals, he would also be holding on to ALL THE TICKET MONEY which in the case of a titan lottery can range anywhere from 50 - 150 bil depending on fittings/other prices and/or (in)patience of original owner. If you try to troll C&D, better bring your wits with you cuz otherwise you will just make yourself look stupid. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Cato Ortolanus	Posted - 2010.05.31 13:49:00 - [28] I was also there when this was happening. What exactly would you want to see for proof?
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Bite me inc.	Posted - 2010.05.31 14:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Cato Ortolanus I was also there when this was happening. What exactly would you want to see for proof? - a screenshot of (corp) wallet logs showing the withdrawal - confirmation from the accused party - chat logs indicating guilt - screenshots of sale orders put up by accused party involving stolen property - screenshots of accused party hauling/flying stolen property - killmails Take your pick. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Cato Ortolanus	Posted - 2010.05.31 14:23:00 - [30] Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Originally by: Cato Ortolanus I was also there when this was happening. What exactly would you want to see for proof? - a screenshot of (corp) wallet logs showing the withdrawal - confirmation from the accused party - chat logs indicating guilt - screenshots of sale orders put up by accused party involving stolen property - screenshots of accused party hauling/flying stolen property - killmails Take your pick. Ah thank you. I am new to the crime and punishment forum, i was not sure what was proper evidence.

Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.05.31 16:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Scott Woods If you want to do a lotto, go with chribba or somebody trustworthy, my advice is to stay away from Grendell for the indefinite future. It should be noted that before leaving, I and others on my corp heard him bragging on coms about how he was going to cash in on grendell's rep someday soon.. I guess we should have taken the hint. Protect yourelf and dont' be his next victim. Dropping hints before a heist makes the act so much sweeter to execute. This Grendell fellow sounds like a class act. Salutations.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Scott Woods If you want to do a lotto, go with chribba or somebody trustworthy, my advice is to stay away from Grendell for the indefinite future. It should be noted that before leaving, I and others on my corp heard him bragging on coms about how he was going to cash in on grendell's rep someday soon.. I guess we should have taken the hint. Protect yourelf and dont' be his next victim. Dropping hints before a heist makes the act so much sweeter to execute. This Grendell fellow sounds like a class act. Salutations. You never know when someone really surprising and unexpected, with a spotless reputation will do something so untoward. It adds so much to the amusement factor when you read about it, I have to admit. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:12:00 - [33] Post 13 updated with some background info.
yfz3r0 Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:14:00 - [34] Considering that I've known Odet/Grendell for going on 4 or so years now I think I can safely say that he is the most trustworthy person that I know (ingame at least). Haters gonna hate.
Shamad Conde Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:16:00 - [35] Grendell scammed me once :-( I got a very badly fit dread from him which I sold making 500mil profit.
Lord Zap Caldari Dashavatara Clownz'R'Us	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:36:00 - [36] I will wade in with my size 11s and say that Grendell is a stand up guy. I owe him 4 bill and he doesn't moan about it more than 3 times a week. Would Mr. Raven Blade really cast aspersions on an innocent man? That would hardly be in the spirit of all things super hero now would it? If 10 billion went missing you should seek the real culrpit rather than blaming Odet. Zap
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:38:00 - [37] Pics or it didn't happen. Also confirming that Scott Woods framed me. Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
Scott Woods Caldari Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:41:00 - [38] Grenell knows I don't have roles and thus, could never get screenshots. In fact, he actualy did everything he could to make sure NOBODY could get screen shots, because he personally removed a number of peoples roles. Grendell knows that while I do have access to the API (As the corp software guy) I'm too honorable to divulge private information like corp assets. As for internal corp communications, he is just angry that I locked him and his friends out of the corp forum after he went off about me, thinking I did not have admin on it and would not find out about the threats he made against corp assets. He knows that if I start posting forum logs or chat logs this thread will get shutdown for rules violations so he is stalling by asking for things he knows I am not allowed to give out here. Odet/Grendell has confirmed above most of my story. Others in this thread - Like Cato - had things stolen from them. I myself have had to hear from many people in my corp over the last few days that state that they were never paid back for the bonds Odet/Grendell speaks of, although the wallet clearly says that he took billions out of it and even he as stated above he took the money. Additionally, I have not been fully paid back myself and the corp is missing billions in pos modules that only Odet and his syndicate had access to. PS: He likes to kill large corp assets on his pvp main and internally sabotage things, thankfully we found out his target and was able to protect it. And after he left with all our stuff, he sent mercs to camp our cyno chain. Does that sound like an honorable person to you?
yfz3r0 Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Scott Woods Grenell knows I don't have roles and thus, could never get screenshots. In fact, he actualy did everything he could to make sure NOBODY could get screen shots, because he personally removed a number of peoples roles. Grendell knows that while I do have access to the API (As the corp software guy) I'm too honorable to divulge private information like corp assets. As for internal corp communications, he is just angry that I locked him and his friends out of the corp forum after he went off about me, thinking I did not have admin on it and would not find out about the threats he made against corp assets. He knows that if I start posting forum logs or chat logs this thread will get shutdown for rules violations so he is stalling by asking for things he knows I am not allowed to give out here. Odet/Grendell has confirmed above most of my story. Others in this thread - Like Cato - had things stolen from them. I myself have had to hear from many people in my corp over the last few days that state that they were never paid back for the bonds Odet/Grendell speaks of, although the wallet clearly says that he took billions out of it and even he as stated above he took the money. Additionally, I have not been fully paid back myself and the corp is missing billions in pos modules that only Odet and his syndicate had access to. PS: He likes to kill large corp assets on his pvp main and internally sabotage things, thankfully we found out his target and was able to protect it. And after he left with all our stuff, he sent mercs to camp our cyno chain. Does that sound like an honorable person to you? Stop posting.
Zeta Zhul Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:47:00 - [40] Simple answer: Open a free account with Blogger.com or some other blogging site. Post your evidence there and link to the page here. Or post your evidence on another forum and post the link here. Or, don't know about this one, petition the GMs for the return of missing stuff. At the worst they'll give you official confirmation that Odet/Grendell took it. Or some such thing. But it's pretty clear you're going to have to go the extra mile to prove your case. In case you're wondering one reason why is in C&P people here are more likely to approve the theft and laugh about it. ----- place witty signature line here

Greg DaimYo Caldari Biotronics Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.31 17:51:00 - [41] Originally by: Scott Woods Grenell knows I don't have roles and thus, could never get screenshots. In fact, he actualy did everything he could to make sure NOBODY could get screen shots, because he personally removed a number of peoples roles. Grendell knows that while I do have access to the API (As the corp software guy) I'm too honorable to divulge private information like corp assets. This is gold, as in comedy-gold. I know neither of the people involved in this, but alone by the little information that I could scramble in this thread I am pretty sure, that a.) you can't prove ape-** and b.) the player accused doesn't seem to care about 10 bil ISK and makes a pretty sober and coherent appearance, so I'll definitely call bull**. But the 'too honorable to divulge provate information'-part made me giggle in real life.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.05.31 18:20:00 - [42] Edited by: Grendell on 31/05/2010 18:21:26 Originally by: Scott Woods Grendell knows that while I do have access to the API (As the corp software guy) I'm too honorable to divulge private information like corp assets. Scott I know an honorable person like yourself would never go on a temper tantrum and troll somebody, his friends, and all his clients. Hmm no wait you did Originally by: Scott Woods Grenell knows I don't have roles and thus, could never get screenshots. In fact, he actualy did everything he could to make sure NOBODY could get screen shots, because he personally removed a number of peoples roles. Scott since you are the director of Retribution corp and are the host and code guy for the corp forums, you have full access to all the information. If you need help getting it all show publicly I'd be happy to help. Originally by: Scott Woods As for internal corp communications, he is just angry that I locked him and his friends out of the corp forum after he went off about me, thinking I did not have admin on it and would not find out about the threats he made against corp assets. Scott I knew you had admin and that you own the forums, which is why it came as no surprise you locked me out when I proved you wrong. As far as the threads against corp assets you'll have to re-fresh my memory as last I checked I saved you from being ganked by our own members on several occasions, because you were such a likable guy. Originally by: Scott Woods He knows that if I start posting forum logs or chat logs this thread will get shutdown for rules violations so he is stalling by asking for things he knows I am not allowed to give out here. I'll be happy to host all the information on my site or a 3rd parties sites, thus not breaking any forum rules. Originally by: Scott Woods Others in this thread - Like Cato - had things stolen from them. Who's Cato? As he's not a name I've ever seen in corp. Originally by: Scott Woods I myself have had to hear from many people in my corp over the last few days that state that they were never paid back for the bonds Odet/Grendell speaks of Name one person Originally by: Scott Woods Additionally, I have not been fully paid back myself Open your wallet, select the journal side, then for the drop down select "corporation account withdrawal"/"Player donation" You will see the entry there 2010.05.12 00:14. The reason used was "Bond 1 BUYBACK". Here's a screen shot that might help you look for it. Bond1 and for Bond2. Originally by: Scott Woods the corp is missing billions in pos modules that only Odet and his syndicate had access to. You do realize those POS's and modules were owned by the CEO Matrixx, I guess he forgot to mention it to you but he took them down and brought them to empire about a week after I and my "Syndicate" left the corp. By that point the only people who had access to it would have been the CEo, the 2 other directors, and you EDIT: Just a reminder Scott, when I prove how ridiculous you are being, you don't have admin on these forums, so you might be hard pressed removing my roles here when you realize you are losing. ♥Grendell♥
Eska Royson Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.31 18:50:00 - [43] I think grendell has given you more then enough options to post those corp logs. Until you do, grendell is as trustworthy 3rd party as any of the others. Go mine some veld or something scott
Poo Ka'hontas Red Eye Brigade	Posted - 2010.05.31 19:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Scott Woods LIES! I think NOW would be a good time to stop post anything, but said "proof".. You are falling face down into a coming biomass as we speak Originally by: CCP Fallout No. CCP Shadow should behave the same way forums do during downtime. Up, but maybe a little slow.
Tortugan Internal Anarchy Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2010.05.31 19:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Scott Woods Grendell knows that while I do have access to the API (As the corp software guy) I'm too honorable to divulge private information like corp assets. I bolded the part that made me lol. :D
BobGhengisKhan Dashavatara	Posted - 2010.05.31 20:09:00 - [46] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 31/05/2010 20:10:04 Quote: I bolded the part that made me lol. Are you questioning the integrity of a real life superhero? Mr Ravenblade aka Scott Woods
xxShadexx Dashavatara Clownz'R'Us	Posted - 2010.05.31 21:00:00 - [47] Im going to make this short and sweet. Im currently the CEO of Odet's new corp and I was the acting ceo/director of Retribution Corp. while Odet/Grendell was a director. Unlike Scott, I have known the CEO of Retribution (Matrixx) for over 4 years and is a good friend of mine. You can check my corp history for that. Scott however hasn't and has only been a member for what, 6-8 months? After Grendell setting up a bonds program and him ending up doing 100% of the work with no support of the CEO, we decided it was time to move into a fresh new corp and leave our past behind. We spoke to the Retri CEO about what we were going to do and why we were moving. He was very inactive and only his close friends (being me) knew what was happening. Grendell paid everything back to the corp in ISK, all the bonds were paid back and nothing on mine or Grendell's part was stolen. However, a few members who moved with us to the new corp stole some T1 ships from a POS which Grendell paid back to them in ISK, out of his own pocket. Scott was very bitter that we moved corps and he wasn't invited. I personally found him very annoying, going over-the-top and always getting in the way. Grendell kept telling me, don't kick him, he has a good heart, just a strange way of showing it. However now, this is not the story. I would like to say, ALL this has been discussed on the Retri. forums which Scott Woods has access to, but has blocked mine and Grendell's. Scott is trying to disgrace Grendell's name. I will not allow this. Grendell is one of the most trusted people I have ever met and has done SO much work to help his fellow members and friends. ----------------------------------------- Shade CEO
Canine Fiend Minmatar The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.31 21:56:00 - [48] I've been playing for over 5 years, am a banker for EOH and have a fairly lucrative pirate ransom business going, and I'd stake my reputation on Grendell. I've had dealings with him in the past and he's never been known to do something like this. What the future might hold is anyone's guess, but in this particular instance, I'd base my reputation on Grendell over some random, apparently fail, FC.
Lord Zap Caldari Dashavatara Clownz'R'Us	Posted - 2010.06.01 03:24:00 - [49] Edited by: Lord Zap on 01/06/2010 03:25:19 These testimonials warm my co.ckles! Profanity filter is stupid. 'Co.ckles' is a not a profanity.
Scott Woods Caldari Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.06.01 05:18:00 - [50] Originally by: xxShadexx Im currently the CEO of Odet's new corp and I was the acting ceo/director of Retribution Corp. while Odet/Grendell was a director. False. You were never a ceo and most of us were turned off by your arrogance. Originally by: xxShadexx Unlike Scott, I have known the CEO of Retribution (Matrixx) for over 4 years and is a good friend of mine. You can check my corp history for that. Scott however hasn't and has only been a member for what, 6-8 months? .. and I was hand recruited and treated much better than that. Makes you angry and a little bit jealous doesn't it? Originally by: xxShadexx Grendell paid everything back to the corp in ISK, all the bonds were paid back and nothing on mine or Grendell's part was stolen. However, a few members who moved with us to the new corp stole some T1 ships from a POS which Grendell paid back to them in ISK, out of his own pocket. You are forgetting about the minerals and pos modules that were stolen, because Odet/Grendell wanted his own pos network for industry stuff. Originally by: xxShadexx Scott was very bitter that we moved corps and he wasn't invited. I personally found him very annoying, going over-the-top and always getting in the way. Grendell kept telling me, don't kick him, he has a good heart, just a strange way of showing it. However now, this is not the story. Bull. Anything I do here I do to protect others from your scams, and yo never had the power to kick me because too many people voted against you. That is what **es you off the most, I think. Originally by:** xxShadexx I would like to say, ALL this has been discussed on the Retri. forums which Scott Woods has access to, but has blocked mine and Grendell's. Nope, and the fact remains that having you here, complaining about not having access to the forums of a corp you are not in, only shows how childish and arrogant you are acting. Originally by: xxShadexx Scott is trying to disgrace Grendell's name. I will not allow this. Grendell is one of the most trusted people I have ever met and has done SO much work to help his fellow members and friends. Grendell is Odet. Odet is Grendell. Both are known in separate worlds, and now these two worlds have been forced to collide. That is all I really wanted; Now either Grendell can go back to his old days of stealing noobs stuff, or Odet can start acting like a stand up citizen and save Grendells rep from being stained by his actions on Odet.

Larana Randie	Posted - 2010.06.01 05:53:00 - [51] lol Scot...proof or it didn't happen m8. I think we might have a new investigation target for the IEE here :P
Scott Woods Caldari Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.06.01 06:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Larana Randie lol Scot...proof or it didn't happen m8. I think we might have a new investigation target for the IEE here :P You ask me for proof, yet you don't ask for proof from them for their side? If I recall correctly, best standards and practice require the standards be universally applied.
Tortugan Internal Anarchy Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2010.06.01 06:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Tortugan on 01/06/2010 06:13:44 What I find most ridiculous about this thread isn't that Grendell is being accused of scamming- anyone is capable of turning bad in Eve, since there are no real-life repercussions. What I find hilarious is that some no-name only known for being a sht FC created a thread on the forums with absolutely zero evidence pitting his word against one of the most trusted people in Eve. Scott- this thread is pointless until you give some actual evidence. Let me give you an example: Quote:* Just wanted to let you all know, the terrible FC guy "Scott Woods" recently stole billions from my corp, leveraging the trust people HAD in him in the process. He had his main "Scott Woods" joined my corp, and signed on to Scott Woods for the leadership and myself to prove that it was really him "so we could trust him". He then used the trust we gave him due to this connection to steal around 10 billion after offering to help with industry for the corp, over 6 of that from the corp wallet, and several billion of that in minerals, mods, and pos equipment from the corp office bay. If you see a lotto or other scan that uses him for a third party service, be worried. He is currently using both his alts and his friends alts to try to hide this all, but the fact is I feel that it should be known so that people can protect themselves. Also, several corp members have stated that his friends that left with him also took advantage of the recent logistics/move and stole peoples private stuff. If you want to do a lotto, go with TORTUGAN or somebody trustworthy, my advice is to stay away from Scott Woods for the indefinite future. It should be noted that before leaving, I and others on my corp heard him bragging on coms about how he was going to cash in on Scott Woods's rep someday soon.. I guess we should have taken the hint. Protect yourelf and dont' be his next victim. Moral of the story: Don't trust Scott Woods. He's bad news. :D
Hinkledolph Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.01 06:14:00 - [54] Originally by: Scott Woods Originally by: Larana Randie lol Scot...proof or it didn't happen m8. I think we might have a new investigation target for the IEE here :P You ask me for proof, yet you don't ask for proof from them for their side? If I recall correctly, best standards and practice require the standards be universally applied. You brought this crap to C&P so you need to provide proof. If Grendell would have started it he would have faced the same thing. Right now you want ppl to believe your word vs a word of respected member of game community. Who do you think ppl will side with if no proof is provided?
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.01 06:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Scott Woods Originally by: Larana Randie lol Scot...proof or it didn't happen m8. I think we might have a new investigation target for the IEE here :P You ask me for proof, yet you don't ask for proof from them for their side? If I recall correctly, best standards and practice require the standards be universally applied. A positive claim requires positive evidence. The burden of proof is on you. Innocent until proven guilty. ______
Aesynil Caldari The Unit...	Posted - 2010.06.01 07:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Tortugan Edited by: Tortugan on 01/06/2010 06:13:44 What I find most ridiculous about this thread isn't that Grendell is being accused of scamming- anyone is capable of turning bad in Eve, since there are no real-life repercussions. What I find hilarious is that some no-name only known for being a sht FC created a thread on the forums with absolutely zero evidence pitting his word against one of the most trusted people in Eve. Scott- this thread is pointless until you give some actual evidence. Let me give you an example: Quote:* Just wanted to let you all know, the terrible FC guy "Scott Woods" recently stole billions from my corp, leveraging the trust people HAD in him in the process. He had his main "Scott Woods" joined my corp, and signed on to Scott Woods for the leadership and myself to prove that it was really him "so we could trust him". He then used the trust we gave him due to this connection to steal around 10 billion after offering to help with industry for the corp, over 6 of that from the corp wallet, and several billion of that in minerals, mods, and pos equipment from the corp office bay. If you see a lotto or other scan that uses him for a third party service, be worried. He is currently using both his alts and his friends alts to try to hide this all, but the fact is I feel that it should be known so that people can protect themselves. Also, several corp members have stated that his friends that left with him also took advantage of the recent logistics/move and stole peoples private stuff. If you want to do a lotto, go with TORTUGAN or somebody trustworthy, my advice is to stay away from Scott Woods for the indefinite future. It should be noted that before leaving, I and others on my corp heard him bragging on coms about how he was going to cash in on Scott Woods's rep someday soon.. I guess we should have taken the hint. Protect yourelf and dont' be his next victim. Moral of the story: Don't trust Scott Woods. He's bad news. Thanks for the warning, Tortugan! I'll watch out for this "Scott Woods' fellow. The Unit pursues invention, manufacturing, mining, and research. Evemail us if you need anything related to Science and Industry.
Tortugan Internal Anarchy Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2010.06.01 07:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Aesynil Thanks for the warning, Tortugan! I'll watch out for this "Scott Woods' fellow. Already convinced? But you haven't even seen my proof. :D
OPX2	Posted - 2010.06.01 08:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Scott Woods Originally by: Larana Randie lol Scot...proof or it didn't happen m8. I think we might have a new investigation target for the IEE here :P You ask me for proof, yet you don't ask for proof from them for their side? If I recall correctly, best standards and practice require the standards be universally applied. onus probandi
Aesynil Caldari The Unit...	Posted - 2010.06.01 08:21:00 - [59] Originally by: Tortugan Originally by: Aesynil Thanks for the warning, Tortugan! I'll watch out for this "Scott Woods' fellow. Already convinced? But you haven't even seen my proof. Whoa...Just...Whoa. how did you sit on evidence like that for so long? You could have cleared up this -entire- thing from the start. For shame, Mr. Tortugan. For shame. The Unit pursues invention, manufacturing, mining, and research. Evemail us if you need anything related to Science and Industry.
Jaggati Khan	Posted - 2010.06.01 09:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Lana Torrin 1) The day when Chribba does it, we are all ****ed. LOL that would be a sight to see, though he certainly doesnt need the isk i would imagine

Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.06.01 10:07:00 - [61] Edited by: Lightningshade on 01/06/2010 10:07:03 So, providing you were planning on looking like a whiny little bastard, and p much a complete coc smoker - things have turned out exactly how you wanted, eh Scott?
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2010.06.01 10:07:00 - [62] Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 01/06/2010 10:08:14 Originally by: Scott Woods Originally by: Larana Randie lol Scot...proof or it didn't happen m8. I think we might have a new investigation target for the IEE here :P You ask me for proof, yet you don't ask for proof from them for their side? You came here, an unknown pod pilot looking for his five minutes of "internet fame" by blaming a long time and reputable member of the community, as anyone who has done business with Grendell can attest to. You present a "cool" story but fail to present any verifyable facts. First you hide behind "can't post them on this forum" (hint: the internet is full of free hosting services). Than, adviced on how to use the Full API key, you hide behind "privacy issues". Which I highly respect. But there's a solution to that: hire an auditor to check your claims. He will protect your data and will only "aye" or "ney" to your claims. So either go ahead and finally prove your accusations or stop posting. You've already made a fool out of yourself. You now have the chance to let this thread running dry and beg that it fades into nothingness over time. Or you could carry on, refusing to show any proof of your accusations with yet another shady excuse (hint: typically "technical issues" or "RL stress" is next on the list ...) -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager
yfz3r0 Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.01 10:21:00 - [63] Originally by: Scott Woods Originally by: Larana Randie lol Scot...proof or it didn't happen m8. I think we might have a new investigation target for the IEE here :P You ask me for proof, yet you don't ask for proof from them for their side? If I recall correctly, best standards and practice require the standards be universally applied. Innocent until PROVEN guilty man... But something tells me you can't do that.
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.06.01 13:02:00 - [64] Quote: What Scott Woods said. I thought you were quitting Eve?
Argosus Waverunners	Posted - 2010.06.01 13:48:00 - [65] Wow! 3 pages and still Scott Woods has provided 0 proof. Time to shut this ***** down me thinks. Grendell is a stand up guy, trusted by many. His reputation is worth much more than the puny value of isk you claim he stole. 4 choices scott: 1, grow some b@lls and admit ur talking out ur @ss. 2, go play WoW, you will fit in nicely. 3, dig deep in ur pockets and find some proof to ur ridiculous accusations. 4, stop posting and hope to god that this goes away as its quite clear who the people are siding with
xxShadexx Dashavatara Clownz'R'Us	Posted - 2010.06.01 13:54:00 - [66] Scott, just post the bloody thread from your forums. It explains why we left and how nothing was stolen bar T1 ships. Scott is living in his own little world. He is not even a director in Retri, mainly because he was never trusted due to him being this hyper-active and OTT! ----------------------------------------- Shade DashAvatara CEO
Solo Brutor Mithril. R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2010.06.01 14:22:00 - [67] Still no proof...
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Bite me inc.	Posted - 2010.06.01 16:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Scott Woods Originally by: Larana Randie lol Scot...proof or it didn't happen m8. I think we might have a new investigation target for the IEE here :P You ask me for proof, yet you don't ask for proof from them for their side? If I recall correctly, best standards and practice require the standards be universally applied. You do know you are just shooting yourself in the foot here right? Ok, let's apply some 'standardised' judgement: - YOU post a thread on C&P accusing one of EVE's most trusted and respected players of being a petty thief. - I do not know you, nor do a lot of people here. - We all (in some way or other) know or have heard of Grendell. If we go simply by basic knowledge, it doesn't look good for you. We desire proof to go with your accusations because even though we might be scumbags of C&P/EVE, we believe people are innocent untill proven otherwise. Also, we believe you are a noob untill proven otherwise. This applies to both accusation threads and 'gloat' threads, we judge both ends of the pointy stick equal. As it stands right now, you have provided us with a lot of accusations, excuses and generally bad posts, but no actual content or proof. Do you find it REALLY weird we believe a well respected and upstanding EVE Online citizen over some random guy trying to downtalk previously mention citizen without anything to back it up? Even with the notion of "innocent untill proven otherwise" left aside it STILL doesn't look good for you. Add it though and you have no chance of convincing anyone. Have a nice life, and please stop posting (unless its proof, please post proof!) __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Anton Marik	Posted - 2010.06.01 20:01:00 - [69] I think you guys are being too harsh on Scott Woods. As a stand up guy myself, I should join Scott's corp and be given director roles. I will then be in a position to confirm or deny his story.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2010.06.01 22:00:00 - [70] Op must be right. After all thats how pros scam. Why should he scam and get hundreds of billions when he can make a scam for 10bils or so? Much better to ruin your awesome reputation on some small scam then to make something epic... on a more serious note, im sure grendell wouldnt ruin his reputation for even more isk, cuz his reputation is earning him isk. And also, Odet is my alt.

Zeta Zhul Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.01 22:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Lord Zap Edited by: Lord Zap on 01/06/2010 03:25:19 These testimonials warm my co.ckles! Profanity filter is stupid. 'Co.ckles' is a not a profanity. Clbuttic! ----- place witty signature line here
Scott Woods Caldari Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.06.02 03:39:00 - [72] What you guys seem don't understand is what you are asking for is against the forum rules to post. * Forum rules (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1107608) states I cant post the chat logs I have been requested to give. * Forum rules (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/W/index.php #3) state I can not post images (like the screen shots you have requested.) * Additionally many of you are breaking a large number of all the rest of the forum rules with your baseless insults and off topic chatter. Complain to CCP if you don't like it. None of you are going to trick me into breaking the forum rules. I said my piece and I'm done.
Epegi Givo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.06.02 04:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Scott Woods What you guys seem don't understand is what you are asking for is against the forum rules to post. * Forum rules (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1107608) states I cant post the chat logs I have been requested to give. * Forum rules (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/W/index.php #3) state I can not post images (like the screen shots you have requested.) * Additionally many of you are breaking a large number of all the rest of the forum rules with your baseless insults and off topic chatter. Complain to CCP if you don't like it. None of you are going to trick me into breaking the forum rules. I said my piece and I'm done. The rules say nothing about posting a link containing a screenshot or chat long. People have linked to chatlogs with names uncensored and linked to images for things MUCH less important than this. You have no excuse, provide evidence or your accusations carry no weight in this court. __________________________ My other alt is A Ferrari
Grey Wind	Posted - 2010.06.02 05:04:00 - [74] If a link to proof can't be clicked, then you're full if $h1t so kindly stop wasting time with baseless accusations and claims of "omg I am such a law abiding honorable citizen I can't possibly prove this mans guilt!"
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.06.02 05:11:00 - [75] Scott not that you've answered my previous post, but like I said, I'm willing to host or pay for hosting any information you like. That is not against any rules. I'll cover whatever costs there are and even arrange them with somebody like Chribba if you like. What's your excuse now? Grendell
Epegi Givo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.06.02 05:17:00 - [76] Originally by: Grendell Scott not that you've answered my previous post, but like I said, I'm willing to host or pay for hosting any information you like. That is not against any rules. I'll cover whatever costs there are and even arrange them with somebody like Chribba if you like. What's your excuse now? Grendell Grendell, why don't YOU post the chat-logs yourself? __________________________ My other alt is A Ferrari
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.06.02 05:36:00 - [77] Edited by: Grendell on 02/06/2010 05:40:56 Originally by: Epegi Givo Originally by: Grendell Scott not that you've answered my previous post, but like I said, I'm willing to host or pay for hosting any information you like. That is not against any rules. I'll cover whatever costs there are and even arrange them with somebody like Chribba if you like. What's your excuse now? Grendell Grendell, why don't YOU post the chat-logs yourself? The discussion were all done on Scott's forum, when he realized I was clearly wining the debate, he simply removed my rights to access the forum. So I sadly don't have access to the forum anymore, which is sad, because I also used it as my notepad for brainstorming. So I would if I could, But I suspect it's the last thing Scott wants. EDIT: I can't spell.
Epegi Givo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.06.02 05:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Grendell Edited by: Grendell on 02/06/2010 05:40:56 Originally by: Epegi Givo Originally by: Grendell Scott not that you've answered my previous post, but like I said, I'm willing to host or pay for hosting any information you like. That is not against any rules. I'll cover whatever costs there are and even arrange them with somebody like Chribba if you like. What's your excuse now? Grendell Grendell, why don't YOU post the chat-logs yourself? The discussion were all done on Scott's forum, when he realized I was clearly wining the debate, he simply removed my rights to access the forum. So I sadly don't have access to the forum anymore, which is sad, because I also used it as my notepad for brainstorming. So I would if I could, But I suspect it's the last thing Scott wants. EDIT: I can't spell. I'm sure there are chat logs and screenshotable EVE-mails still in your possession that you could use to prove your innocence. It is very unlikely Scott will post evidence incriminating himself, so we will need to rely on you to provide the evidence. __________________________ My other alt is A Ferrari
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.06.02 05:49:00 - [79] Grendell stole my bike
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.06.02 06:54:00 - [80] Originally by: Epegi Givo I'm sure there are chat logs and screenshotable EVE-mails still in your possession that you could use to prove your innocence. When did I become guilty? Originally by: Epegi Givo It is very unlikely Scott will post evidence incriminating himself, so we will need to rely on you to provide the evidence. All the evidence and proof, is in Retribution corp's API which I don't have access to, and Scott's forum which I don't have access to. Only reason Scott hasn't shown anything, is because it shows he was wrong. Scott has a tendency of changing his story and jumping from one conspiracy to another when he is proven wrong. Each time getting more and more ridiculous, with never anything to backup what he says. Besides, Scott is here calling me out, saying he has all sorts of magical evidence. So I came, called his bluff, and now he's ignoring my posts.Probably only because he can't remove my rights on these forums when he gets cornered by logic. Oh I had post earlier in the thread somewhere with 2 screenshots of money I sent Scott, that he claims to have never received But he has yet to reply to that either. Not shocking.

Poo Ka'hontas Red Eye Brigade	Posted - 2010.06.02 06:57:00 - [81] Originally by: Scott Woods What you guys seem don't understand is what you are asking for is against the forum rules to post. * Forum rules (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1107608) states I cant post the chat logs I have been requested to give. * Forum rules (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/W/index.php #3) state I can not post images (like the screen shots you have requested.) * Additionally many of you are breaking a large number of all the rest of the forum rules with your baseless insults and off topic chatter. Complain to CCP if you don't like it. None of you are going to trick me into breaking the forum rules. I said my piece and I'm done. I thought you had come to your sences Scott and left this thread in shame.. But ooooh no Here you go again. I am gonna page Zedric and send him your way, because after what i have seen so far..You will make Joe Phoenix look like Alexander the Great Originally by: CCP Fallout No. CCP Shadow should behave the same way forums do during downtime. Up, but maybe a little slow.
AbraKadaver Minmatar Dashavatara Clownz'R'Us	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:58:00 - [82] It's kind of strange how everyone involved that doesn't want to see Grendell's name being completely slandered has also conveniently lost all access to any of the 'evidence' that Scott seems to cite. Incidentally if this 'evidence' was posted then Scotts already untenable position would simply become at least ten times the fail it already is. Simply put, Odet / Grendell is not a corp thief; he simply removed a bond that was created in good faith by members and was not being used for the purpose it was intended for - in itself a form of theft one might argue. This bond was then paid back out to members who had contributed to it. As for supposed 'billions' of POS modules - I think that you'll find that in comparison to the amount of money and time Odet and the rest of the industry bods put in to Retribution that this is fair recompense. Attempting to ruin Odet / Grendells reputation by going off on some paddy is just laughable to be honest, and it does seem that everyone else agrees on this point. There is no point in asking for proof from Scott as there simply is no proof that Grendell is a thief of any nature, because it's simply untrue and a shameful allegation from someone who needs to grow the feck up. This topic ought to be locked and deleted as it serves no purpose other than making Scott look even more stupid. ..:: Electro-shock therapy ::..
yfz3r0 Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.02 11:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Epegi Givo Originally by: Grendell Edited by: Grendell on 02/06/2010 05:40:56 Originally by: Epegi Givo Originally by: Grendell Scott not that you've answered my previous post, but like I said, I'm willing to host or pay for hosting any information you like. That is not against any rules. I'll cover whatever costs there are and even arrange them with somebody like Chribba if you like. What's your excuse now? Grendell Grendell, why don't YOU post the chat-logs yourself? The discussion were all done on Scott's forum, when he realized I was clearly wining the debate, he simply removed my rights to access the forum. So I sadly don't have access to the forum anymore, which is sad, because I also used it as my notepad for brainstorming. So I would if I could, But I suspect it's the last thing Scott wants. EDIT: I can't spell. I'm sure there are chat logs and screenshotable EVE-mails still in your possession that you could use to prove your innocence. It is very unlikely Scott will post evidence incriminating himself, so we will need to rely on you to provide the evidence. As far as myself and most of the Eve community is concerned, Grendell has nothing to prove. Scott should do his homework on the matter rather than run around making baseless accusations about people.
Rachel McTingle	Posted - 2010.06.02 11:53:00 - [84] ATTENTION!!! I have INDISPUTABLE PROOF that Scott Woods is actually CAPTAIN FOVIOUS! However, due to forum rules I cannot post it here. Please everyone, lets stop his reign of terror, together we can do it!!!
Borgh Brainbasher Noir.	Posted - 2010.06.02 12:00:00 - [85] Scott, think the thing you miscalcualted here is the value of reputation in eve in the real world a two-day employee can utterly ruin her bosses life by claiming sexual harrasment and the boss can't play the "but I'm a honorable guy" card because honor isn't worth jack bleep anymore. However, in eve honor and trust are such rare comodities that they are very valuable and as such not as easily tainted. Yes, you can still ruin grendell but, to continue on the employee analogy, you would have to provide video of him doing nasty things to you in the copier room. If you don't have those we fall back on the reputation vs. reputation standard from victorian england and sorry mate but that is something you will lose. Regards, Borgh --- Warning: You are on the pvp only server.
trenny jr Caldari Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.02 13:28:00 - [86] Originally by: Borgh Brainbasher Scott, think the thing you miscalcualted here is the value of reputation in eve in the real world a two-day employee can utterly ruin her bosses life by claiming sexual harrasment and the boss can't play the "but I'm a honorable guy" card because honor isn't worth jack bleep anymore. However, in eve honor and trust are such rare comodities that they are very valuable and as such not as easily tainted. Yes, you can still ruin grendell but, to continue on the employee analogy, you would have to provide video of him doing nasty things to you in the copier room. If you don't have those we fall back on the reputation vs. reputation standard from victorian england and sorry mate but that is something you will lose. Regards, Borgh confirming grendell did nasty things to me in the copier room Originally by: Alticius Espionicus Ankhesentapemkah: the Sarah Palin of EVE. [00:18:49] Lady Spank > /emote squiggles
Borgh Brainbasher Noir.	Posted - 2010.06.02 13:49:00 - [87] Originally by: trenny jr Originally by: Borgh Brainbasher Scott, think the thing you miscalcualted here is the value of reputation in eve in the real world a two-day employee can utterly ruin her bosses life by claiming sexual harrasment and the boss can't play the "but I'm a honorable guy" card because honor isn't worth jack bleep anymore. However, in eve honor and trust are such rare comodities that they are very valuable and as such not as easily tainted. Yes, you can still ruin grendell but, to continue on the employee analogy, you would have to provide video of him doing nasty things to you in the copier room. If you don't have those we fall back on the reputation vs. reputation standard from victorian england and sorry mate but that is something you will lose. Regards, Borgh confirming grendell did nasty things to me in the copier room as I said, vid or gtfo --- Warning: You are on the pvp only server.
zaxin diadrin Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.06.02 13:54:00 - [88] Originally by: trenny jr confirming grendell did nasty things to me in the copier room I wish grendell would do nasty things to me in the copier room
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:30:00 - [89] Originally by: Rachel McTingle ATTENTION!!! I have INDISPUTABLE PROOF that Scott Woods is actually CAPTAIN FOVIOUS! However, due to forum rules I cannot post it here. Please everyone, lets stop his reign of terror, together we can do it!!! OH SHI-- Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
TipsyMcStagger Caldari Spruillo's SuperSecret Stuff Club	Posted - 2010.06.02 18:20:00 - [90] Edited by: TipsyMcStagger on 02/06/2010 18:24:36 It's Captain Fovios. For the 50th time. Oh yeah and this one time grendell he didn't steal my bike but cribba dared me to ride without my helmet on and then grendell stole my helmet and then they laughed at me and where yelling 'sucker!'. Then I told them 'meet me at the park fools' so I got my homeboys and we where walking to the park to fight them and they pulled up in like a little hatch back toyota and 15 mexicans got out and my buddy ran away.

Atomik Harmonik	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:14:00 - [91] Scott Woods stole my Ibis Navy Issue
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:52:00 - [92] cool story bro
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:22:00 - [93] Originally by: AbraKadaver This topic ought to be locked and deleted as it serves no purpose other than making Scott look even more stupid. Wasn't that the purpose the OP had in mind right from the beginning? Oh, wait ... -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise Chaos Theory Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.02 21:08:00 - [94] Edited by: Ekon Bor on 02/06/2010 21:10:51 So having read this thread through, and having some small awareness of Grendell but none of the other side, and taking both views objectively into consideration, I'd like to say cheers to Scott Woods. Many men, faced with the difficulty of assailing someone's reputation in this fashion, would have wavered. "But I have no proof I can post" they would have whined... "And when I say I have proof, I'll have to hide behind forum rules and ignore the fact that people use third-party hosting to post logs and screenshots every day of the week" they would have quavered... "I'll lose all credibility and my reputation will be stained for evermore by anyone who google's my toon's name"... Lesser men, men without the spine to hurl an allegation the way it should be hurled, without the gumption to look an opponent square in the eye while throwing a baseless slander, without the courage to state a bald assertion regardless of fear or favour (or facts) - would have backed down. Would have shunned the challenge. But not our man Scotty. The more historically minded of you may be reminded of Emile Zola, but I say, no. Zola was a hack. When he wrote "J'Accuse" he carelessly littered it with facts and disputable argument. No such mistakes here. I look forward to seeing him take this talent out of game, and can only hope he applies it to a productive field such as law, politics or Wall St, where it will surely serve as a beacon to future generations.
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.06.02 21:41:00 - [95] Originally by: Ekon Bor Many men, faced with the difficulty of assailing someone's reputation in this fashion, would have wavered. "But I have no proof I can post" they would have whined... "And when I say I have proof, I'll have to hide behind forum rules and ignore the fact that people use third-party hosting to post logs and screenshots every day of the week" they would have quavered... "I'll lose all credibility and my reputation will be stained for evermore by anyone who google's my toon's name"... Lesser men, men without the spine to hurl an allegation the way it should be hurled, without the gumption to look an opponent square in the eye while throwing a baseless slander, without the courage to state a bald assertion regardless of fear or favour (or facts) - would have backed down. Would have shunned the challenge. But not our man Scotty. The more historically minded of you may be reminded of Emile Zola, but I say, no. Zola was a hack. When he wrote "J'Accuse" he carelessly littered it with facts and disputable argument. No such mistakes here. I look forward to seeing him take this talent out of game, and can only hope he applies it to a productive field such as law, politics or Wall St, where it will surely serve as a beacon to future generations. QFT Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
kiki mo	Posted - 2010.06.02 22:33:00 - [96] hmmmm Confirming that Scott Woods is IRL Robert Gibbs
Epegi Givo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.06.03 02:21:00 - [97] Scott Woods very likely does not have any evidence. Meanwhile Grendell DOES. The reason Grendell with-holds this evidence makes very little sense to me, unless the evidence does not exist, and Scott Woods is simply waiting to prove that he was right until this thread has gone on long enough to blow everyone who doubted him away. Some say "Innocent until proven guilty" I say "Suspect until proven otherwise". I can't be the only one who thinks is suspicious that Grendell with-holds evidence that he obviously has. Grendell keeps saying "The evidence is the Corp API and the forums, which I can't access" I say that he has chat-logs and eve-mails that could be used as proof which he seems to be with-holding. Some may say "Why would Grendell want to steal a measly 10 bil and lose his rep" Perhaps Grendell knew that people would think that way, and could very easily be using it as a defense even though he could be guilty. Honestly, this thread will go on to no end of people insulting eachother unless one of the parties gives up evidence of their innocence. And Grendell, you never became guilty, you just became suspected. It does not matter who is the victim, if someone seriously accuses them then they are to be suspected. And I find the seeming unwillingness of you to post your evidence puts you under more suspicion. Don't get me wrong though. It is still more likely that Scott is full of it and you are being wrongly accused, but justice is blind, and you are still to be suspected no matter how unlikely it is you are guilty until solid proof is presented. __________________________ My other alt is A Ferrari
Aesynil Caldari The Unit...	Posted - 2010.06.03 02:28:00 - [98] Originally by: Ekon Bor Edited by: Ekon Bor on 02/06/2010 21:10:51 So having read this thread through, and having some small awareness of Grendell but none of the other side, and taking both views objectively into consideration, I'd like to say cheers to Scott Woods. Many men, faced with the difficulty of assailing someone's reputation in this fashion, would have wavered. "But I have no proof I can post" they would have whined... "And when I say I have proof, I'll have to hide behind forum rules and ignore the fact that people use third-party hosting to post logs and screenshots every day of the week" they would have quavered... "I'll lose all credibility and my reputation will be stained for evermore by anyone who google's my toon's name"... Lesser men, men without the spine to hurl an allegation the way it should be hurled, without the gumption to look an opponent square in the eye while throwing a baseless slander, without the courage to state a bald assertion regardless of fear or favour (or facts) - would have backed down. Would have shunned the challenge. But not our man Scotty. The more historically minded of you may be reminded of Emile Zola, but I say, no. Zola was a hack. When he wrote "J'Accuse" he carelessly littered it with facts and disputable argument. No such mistakes here. I look forward to seeing him take this talent out of game, and can only hope he applies it to a productive field such as law, politics or Wall St, where it will surely serve as a beacon to future generations. I lol'd for real :( To fall into the meme fad... /thread The Unit pursues invention, manufacturing, mining, and research. Evemail us if you need anything related to Science and Industry.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.06.03 02:49:00 - [99] Originally by: Epegi Givo Scott Woods very likely does not have any evidence. Meanwhile Grendell DOES. The reason Grendell with-holds this evidence makes very little sense to me, unless the evidence does not exist, and Scott Woods is simply waiting to prove that he was right until this thread has gone on long enough to blow everyone who doubted him away. Some say "Innocent until proven guilty" I say "Suspect until proven otherwise". I can't be the only one who thinks is suspicious that Grendell with-holds evidence that he obviously has. Grendell keeps saying "The evidence is the Corp API and the forums, which I can't access" I say that he has chat-logs and eve-mails that could be used as proof which he seems to be with-holding. Some may say "Why would Grendell want to steal a measly 10 bil and lose his rep" Perhaps Grendell knew that people would think that way, and could very easily be using it as a defense even though he could be guilty. Honestly, this thread will go on to no end of people insulting eachother unless one of the parties gives up evidence of their innocence. And Grendell, you never became guilty, you just became suspected. It does not matter who is the victim, if someone seriously accuses them then they are to be suspected. And I find the seeming unwillingness of you to post your evidence puts you under more suspicion. Don't get me wrong though. It is still more likely that Scott is full of it and you are being wrongly accused, but justice is blind, and you are still to be suspected no matter how unlikely it is you are guilty until solid proof is presented. I'll put it simply then, somebody like me receive anywhere form 10-20 eve-mails a day. Once every few days I delete all mails once they have been dealt with. Chat logs in-game don't exist. My work was done in my head then dumped onto the forums. I worked mainly alone, and when dealing with others it was done on Teamspeak. There might be a few chat logs here and there with some bits, but to sort through all of them to prove what claim? What bits I have are a few screenshots, which have been posted. Blacked out are the names of other investors for the corp bonds. The screenshots were only shown because Scott being an investor, claimed he was never paid back. I posted them to prove he was full of it The things like POS equipment and towers were taken down by the CEO and 2 of his directors after I had already left. But as always Scott only see's and hears what he wants. He wants a scapegoat, and he picked me. I'm honored.
Epegi Givo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.06.03 02:58:00 - [100] Originally by: Grendell Originally by: Epegi Givo Scott Woods very likely does not have any evidence. Meanwhile Grendell DOES. The reason Grendell with-holds this evidence makes very little sense to me, unless the evidence does not exist, and Scott Woods is simply waiting to prove that he was right until this thread has gone on long enough to blow everyone who doubted him away. Some say "Innocent until proven guilty" I say "Suspect until proven otherwise". I can't be the only one who thinks is suspicious that Grendell with-holds evidence that he obviously has. Grendell keeps saying "The evidence is the Corp API and the forums, which I can't access" I say that he has chat-logs and eve-mails that could be used as proof which he seems to be with-holding. Some may say "Why would Grendell want to steal a measly 10 bil and lose his rep" Perhaps Grendell knew that people would think that way, and could very easily be using it as a defense even though he could be guilty. Honestly, this thread will go on to no end of people insulting eachother unless one of the parties gives up evidence of their innocence. And Grendell, you never became guilty, you just became suspected. It does not matter who is the victim, if someone seriously accuses them then they are to be suspected. And I find the seeming unwillingness of you to post your evidence puts you under more suspicion. Don't get me wrong though. It is still more likely that Scott is full of it and you are being wrongly accused, but justice is blind, and you are still to be suspected no matter how unlikely it is you are guilty until solid proof is presented. I'll put it simply then, somebody like me receive anywhere form 10-20 eve-mails a day. Once every few days I delete all mails once they have been dealt with. Chat logs in-game don't exist. My work was done in my head then dumped onto the forums. I worked mainly alone, and when dealing with others it was done on Teamspeak. There might be a few chat logs here and there with some bits, but to sort through all of them to prove what claim? What bits I have are a few screenshots, which have been posted. Blacked out are the names of other investors for the corp bonds. The screenshots were only shown because Scott being an investor, claimed he was never paid back. I posted them to prove he was full of it The things like POS equipment and towers were taken down by the CEO and 2 of his directors after I had already left. But as always Scott only see's and hears what he wants. He wants a scapegoat, and he picked me. I'm honored. Fair Enough. There are only 2 options i can see to proceed. We will need your CEO to post confirming that he took the POSs, or someone in the corp to confirm it. Or, we can have Scott give access of the forums/API to Chribba or another trusted third party to confirm one side or another, posting screen-shots as evidence to prove your innocence or guilt. __________________________ My other alt is A Ferrari

vile56 swade denim secret polease	Posted - 2010.06.03 03:28:00 - [101] Originally by: Epegi Givo Originally by: Grendell Originally by: Epegi Givo Scott Woods very likely does not have any evidence. Meanwhile Grendell DOES. The reason Grendell with-holds this evidence makes very little sense to me, unless the evidence does not exist, and Scott Woods is simply waiting to prove that he was right until this thread has gone on long enough to blow everyone who doubted him away. Some say "Innocent until proven guilty" I say "Suspect until proven otherwise". I can't be the only one who thinks is suspicious that Grendell with-holds evidence that he obviously has. Grendell keeps saying "The evidence is the Corp API and the forums, which I can't access" I say that he has chat-logs and eve-mails that could be used as proof which he seems to be with-holding. Some may say "Why would Grendell want to steal a measly 10 bil and lose his rep" Perhaps Grendell knew that people would think that way, and could very easily be using it as a defense even though he could be guilty. Honestly, this thread will go on to no end of people insulting eachother unless one of the parties gives up evidence of their innocence. And Grendell, you never became guilty, you just became suspected. It does not matter who is the victim, if someone seriously accuses them then they are to be suspected. And I find the seeming unwillingness of you to post your evidence puts you under more suspicion. Don't get me wrong though. It is still more likely that Scott is full of it and you are being wrongly accused, but justice is blind, and you are still to be suspected no matter how unlikely it is you are guilty until solid proof is presented. I'll put it simply then, somebody like me receive anywhere form 10-20 eve-mails a day. Once every few days I delete all mails once they have been dealt with. Chat logs in-game don't exist. My work was done in my head then dumped onto the forums. I worked mainly alone, and when dealing with others it was done on Teamspeak. There might be a few chat logs here and there with some bits, but to sort through all of them to prove what claim? What bits I have are a few screenshots, which have been posted. Blacked out are the names of other investors for the corp bonds. The screenshots were only shown because Scott being an investor, claimed he was never paid back. I posted them to prove he was full of it The things like POS equipment and towers were taken down by the CEO and 2 of his directors after I had already left. But as always Scott only see's and hears what he wants. He wants a scapegoat, and he picked me. I'm honored. Fair Enough. There are only 2 options i can see to proceed. We will need your CEO to post confirming that he took the POSs, or someone in the corp to confirm it. Or, we can have Scott give access of the forums/API to Chribba or another trusted third party to confirm one side or another, posting screen-shots as evidence to prove your innocence or guilt. step 3 reread the thread step 4 know thread is lies
Xereyn	Posted - 2010.06.03 04:22:00 - [102] Originally by: Epegi Givo Don't get me wrong though. It is still more likely that Scott is full of it and you are being wrongly accused, but justice is blind, and you are still to be suspected no matter how unlikely it is you are guilty until solid proof is presented. ... No. That's not how justice works. That's how injustice works. The way justice works is that an accusation must have at least some basis of evidence to be granted credence of any kind. Arguments regarding the sanctity of the presumption of evidence go back centuries, but moral philosophy and, relevantly, legal precedent in most countries' courts and in the international courts, are in that the individual is held innocent until proven guilty. Until such time as something beyond a mere accusation is given, Grendell can and should be considered to have no stain upon his character in this matter.
moneyshot II	Posted - 2010.06.03 04:29:00 - [103] Originally by: Epegi Givo Originally by: Grendell Originally by: Epegi Givo Scott Woods very likely does not have any evidence. Meanwhile Grendell DOES. The reason Grendell with-holds this evidence makes very little sense to me, unless the evidence does not exist, and Scott Woods is simply waiting to prove that he was right until this thread has gone on long enough to blow everyone who doubted him away. Some say "Innocent until proven guilty" I say "Suspect until proven otherwise". I can't be the only one who thinks is suspicious that Grendell with-holds evidence that he obviously has. Grendell keeps saying "The evidence is the Corp API and the forums, which I can't access" I say that he has chat-logs and eve-mails that could be used as proof which he seems to be with-holding. Some may say "Why would Grendell want to steal a measly 10 bil and lose his rep" Perhaps Grendell knew that people would think that way, and could very easily be using it as a defense even though he could be guilty. Honestly, this thread will go on to no end of people insulting eachother unless one of the parties gives up evidence of their innocence. And Grendell, you never became guilty, you just became suspected. It does not matter who is the victim, if someone seriously accuses them then they are to be suspected. And I find the seeming unwillingness of you to post your evidence puts you under more suspicion. Don't get me wrong though. It is still more likely that Scott is full of it and you are being wrongly accused, but justice is blind, and you are still to be suspected no matter how unlikely it is you are guilty until solid proof is presented. I'll put it simply then, somebody like me receive anywhere form 10-20 eve-mails a day. Once every few days I delete all mails once they have been dealt with. Chat logs in-game don't exist. My work was done in my head then dumped onto the forums. I worked mainly alone, and when dealing with others it was done on Teamspeak. There might be a few chat logs here and there with some bits, but to sort through all of them to prove what claim? What bits I have are a few screenshots, which have been posted. Blacked out are the names of other investors for the corp bonds. The screenshots were only shown because Scott being an investor, claimed he was never paid back. I posted them to prove he was full of it The things like POS equipment and towers were taken down by the CEO and 2 of his directors after I had already left. But as always Scott only see's and hears what he wants. He wants a scapegoat, and he picked me. I'm honored. Fair Enough. There are only 2 options i can see to proceed. We will need your CEO to post confirming that he took the POSs, or someone in the corp to confirm it. Or, we can have Scott give access of the forums/API to Chribba or another trusted third party to confirm one side or another, posting screen-shots as evidence to prove your innocence or guilt. I am a director in Retribution, and I verify that myself and another director were the people who took down the POS network in JFV-ID. I dimantled the POS network and moved it back to 5H-SM2, stored the POSes and modules in the corporate hangar. I do not know what happened to the POS system after that. I logged in the next day to find the entire hangar emptied of all modules, ammunition, reactions, and POSes themselves. I don't believe that it was Grendell, however that is just my personal opinion. I am also doing an independent investigation in to the corp wallet issue, but so far it's looking on the level. I personally invested in the corp bond program, and was promptly repaid before Grendell left corp. When I'm finished with my investigation, I'll post the findings here. Any questions can be sent to me via EVE-Mail.
Matrixx Gallente Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.06.03 05:10:00 - [104] I am CEO of Retribution and I echo Moneyshot II's sentiments and findings. Moreover Grendell did not have any characters in the corp at the time of the theft which he could of used to perpetrate the theft.
Tortugan Internal Anarchy Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2010.06.03 05:22:00 - [105] Originally by: Matrixx I am CEO of Retribution and I echo Moneyshot II's sentiments and findings. Moreover Grendell did not have any characters in the corp at the time of the theft which he could of used to perpetrate the theft. So what you're saying is Scott Woods scammed your alliance? You'd better have some damn solid evidence if you're going to try to slander the name of such an upstanding member of the Eve-O community. :D
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.06.03 05:29:00 - [106] confirming that I, too, have logs absolutely proving the allegations (which ones? take your pick!) in this thread but cannot post them for mysterious reasons
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2010.06.03 09:48:00 - [107] Originally by: Ekon Bor Brilliant stuff Ha ha, You, sir, won the internet this day! To all others: for all what's sacred, please think about editing the quotes you're going to include in your post to the relevant parts ... makes reading such an entertaining thread much easier. Thank you very much in advance. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.06.03 15:29:00 - [108] Well, case closed I guess. The CEO and also a director of that corp came on and confirmed Grendell's story.
W0wbagger	Posted - 2010.06.03 17:40:00 - [109] Originally by: James Tritanius Well, case closed I guess. The CEO and also a director of that corp came on and confirmed Grendell's story. Shame it took 4 pages
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2010.06.03 20:24:00 - [110] Originally by: W0wbagger Shame it took 4 pages Look at it that way: we had four pages of fun. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager

Zeplnossus	Posted - 2010.06.03 21:43:00 - [111] In conclusion: PAAAAAAANCAAAAAAAAKES
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.06.03 22:03:00 - [112] Who recruits someone named Odet? Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Heinky Amarr Dashavatara	Posted - 2010.06.04 02:10:00 - [113] I for one would like to personally thank Scott Woods for providing this service. Thank you for providing all the proof...to the negative effects of prolonged usage of narcotics. The children of eve all owe our superhero Scott Woods a debt of gratitude. I for one have now given up my acid usage and will try to pursue a clean life to hopefully avoid one day being this dumb
oldmanst4r Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.04 04:25:00 - [114] I find this unacceptable. No evidence+Grendell's reputation means that nothing will change for Grendell because of this thread. However, threads like this can kill a less well known character's rep even if there is no evidence. I mean c'mon if you eve-search a prospective member's name and the first thread that pops up is a ------'s a corp thief thread. Are you going to argue with the player about the evidence that may or may not be present in the thread or are you just going to not take the chance and pass on recruiting them. I know what I would do.... Never post again, Scott. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.06.04 10:00:00 - [115] The subject line is wrong. The expression is "He is a thief." If he was a "corp thief" then he would have stolen the corp, or he is a thief who in general works for a corporation - a corporate thief. For example, a "car thief" is someone who steals a car and is not a person who steals something out of your car after he gained your trust. If you want you can call him a "corp lifter", similar to a "shop lifter". So much for my thoughts on the subject. --
Kikki Di'je Lay Low	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:06:00 - [116] Scott Woods is a dirty Minmatar liar. I'd love to see this be delt with.
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:48:00 - [117] Originally by: Kikki Di'je Scott Woods is a dirty Minmatar liar. I'd love to see this be delt with. RACIST! I demand this be dealt with!
Biggus McChinnus Minmatar The Wild Bunch	Posted - 2010.06.04 18:11:00 - [118] Originally by: James Tritanius Originally by: Kikki Di'je Scott Woods is a dirty Minmatar liar. I'd love to see this be delt with. RACIST! I demand this be dealt with! Seconded.


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