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Tobias Xiaosen Total Xenophobia Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.01 00:01:00 - [1] Cage fighter, while using mushrooms, rips out still beating heart of training partner because he thought he was possessed by the devil ~ CURRENT INTERNETS = + 723929
TimMc Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.06.01 00:04:00 - [2] I shouldn't laugh but I did at the title. Quite horrible really.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.01 00:15:00 - [3] Originally by: TimMc I shouldn't laugh but I did at the title. Quite horrible really. Have a heart, also this is the reason I don't do drugs (pot is not a drug!) Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Gneeznow Minmatar Ship spinners inc	Posted - 2010.06.01 00:16:00 - [4] shrooms dont make you do things like that, sounds like something he made up afterwards in the hope that people would believe it and go easy on him
dr doooo	Posted - 2010.06.01 00:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Gneeznow shrooms dont make you do things like that, sounds like something he made up afterwards in the hope that people would believe it and go easy on him Are you saying the guy just did that for fun, and then made up an excuse Normal shroom use won't make you do that if you are ok in the head. I know from personal experience though that someone may have mental problems that they are managing to hide pretty well, but a big dose of hallucinogens (or long term heavy use) may push them over the precipice. Luckily for me I suppose, the guy in question wasn't a cage fighter or of an aggressive nature. It was still ****ing scary though, and the guy was only partially recovered after the best part of 4 years locked in the nut house.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.01 00:40:00 - [6] I reckon someone laced the mushrooms with PCP. Then it totally makes sense Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.01 00:49:00 - [7] Quote: WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT Yup his face did deserve a warning, seriously why put a warning in if theres no vid. Also fail l2hallucinate, I once freely took acid and thought jumping out of the window was good idea the 1% of my brain that said 'dont be a dumb ass' prevented me from doing it. -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!!
King Gore Sword and Pistol	Posted - 2010.06.01 01:10:00 - [8] Edited by: King Gore on 01/06/2010 01:10:16 Shrooms alone could not have done this. Other outside factors played a major part in this man's horrible death whether it be mental or a personal grudge. Pro tip: Take the drop instead. - Hey yo Gore
So Sensational	Posted - 2010.06.01 03:30:00 - [9] Would've been cooler if he had done it in the cage. Still pretty cool though.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.01 04:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Zions Child on 01/06/2010 04:12:52 Obviously he was performing your average Aztec Sun God ritual. He was just missing the pyramid of stairs to roll his body down. EDIT: ** YOU DAILYMAIL TROLL! Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.

Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.06.01 08:25:00 - [11] Lesson here is less about drugs, it's 'don't make friends with tards!' Capital punishment for the betterment of mankind. Delenda est achura.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.06.01 12:20:00 - [12] Originally by: dr doooo Originally by: Gneeznow shrooms dont make you do things like that, sounds like something he made up afterwards in the hope that people would believe it and go easy on him Are you saying the guy just did that for fun, and then made up an excuse Normal shroom use won't make you do that if you are ok in the head. I know from personal experience though that someone may have mental problems that they are managing to hide pretty well, but a big dose of hallucinogens (or long term heavy use) may push them over the precipice. Luckily for me I suppose, the guy in question wasn't a cage fighter or of an aggressive nature. It was still **ing scary though, and the guy was only partially recovered after the best part of 4 years locked in the nut house. while I do agree with you, I do think that those 'shrooms were laced with something. if the heart was ripped out of the ribcage by its bear hands, either PCP or perhaps ***, since those drugs are the only ones that I know of that can make (or make you feel like) you're superman. the strength needed to rip your ribcage with your bare hands is, quite honestly, alot, specially when you have to consider the muscles you have to go thru. if by knife, well you still need some strength to cut open the ribcage, but still doable with the right knife. all honesty, either normal 'shrooms or spiked shrooms are viable scenarios. --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Triple Entendre Emergence Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.01 13:56:00 - [13] And yet, try as I might, all I can think is "...Finish Him!"
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.06.01 16:32:00 - [14] Having quite some personal experience with mushrooms, I don't believe at all they are to blame in this story, that's not the way they affect you: either he had already a pre-existing or latent case of schizophrenia / psychosis and the mushrooms simply triggered an episode, or they are being used as an excuse instead of whatever other substances he abused.
Tobias Xiaosen Total Xenophobia Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.01 17:23:00 - [15] Don't get the wrong idea folks. I wasn't saying that the drugs were to blame for this tragedy. Just needed a thread title really. The guy must have been really messed up in the head before taking the drugs in the first place. I suppose they were just a catalyst. Can't really say though, having no personal experience with the stuff. ~ CURRENT INTERNETS = + 723415
Something Random Gallente The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2010.06.01 19:18:00 - [16] Originally by: dr doooo Originally by: Gneeznow shrooms dont make you do things like that, sounds like something he made up afterwards in the hope that people would believe it and go easy on him Are you saying the guy just did that for fun, and then made up an excuse Normal shroom use won't make you do that if you are ok in the head. I know from personal experience though that someone may have mental problems that they are managing to hide pretty well, but a big dose of hallucinogens (or long term heavy use) may push them over the precipice... Sorry mods im not trying to pyramid quote... just happen to this time. It may not be the fact they are hiding it pretty well. it maybe that they never even knew, nor there doctor/family/friends, they were susceptable to psychosis. This is the scary thing about chemicals/psilocybins. I suffer psychosis under hallucinogen use and its only drugs that brought that out. Trust me it can happen to the best of you, no matter your background/upbringing etc - i.e. the usual suspects. So... tread carefully through that particular valley is all i can say. Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm: Aint that right?
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.06.01 19:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: TimMc I shouldn't laugh but I did at the title. Quite horrible really. Have a heart, also this is the reason I don't do drugs (pot is not a drug!) Pot is not a drug? It's such a relief knowing that pot is safe! Alcohol, tobacco, hemlock, anthrax and plutonium aren't drugs either, so they must be safe to use too! ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.06.01 19:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Something Random ...Sorry mods im not trying to pyramid quote... just happen to this time. It may not be the fact they are hiding it pretty well. it maybe that they never even knew, nor there doctor/family/friends, they were susceptable to psychosis. This is the scary thing about chemicals/psilocybins. I suffer psychosis under hallucinogen use and its only drugs that brought that out. Trust me it can happen to the best of you, no matter your background/upbringing etc - i.e. the usual suspects. So... tread carefully through that particular valley is all i can say. Sorry but I don't buy that for a minute, first of all you have to be a 'tard to believe in anything like the devil. Second, why would you want to do hallucinogens when doing martial arts? Isn't the goal full bodily control and focus? I've had a psychosis myself, I never contemplated cutting out the heart of someone still living during that time. The 'tard was a 'tard before the drugs and made 'tard decisions on drugs. Crime should be punished regardless of mental state, so what that you killed someone while intoxicated, bad break there sonny but dead is dead. Delenda est achura.
TimMc Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.06.01 19:38:00 - [19] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: TimMc I shouldn't laugh but I did at the title. Quite horrible really. Have a heart, also this is the reason I don't do drugs (pot is not a drug!) Pot is not a drug? It's such a relief knowing that pot is safe! Alcohol, tobacco, hemlock, anthrax and plutonium aren't drugs either, so they must be safe to use too! lol everyone does drugs. He should have said "I don't do illegal narcotics besides pot".
Tobias Xiaosen Total Xenophobia Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.01 19:54:00 - [20] Originally by: TimMc lol everyone does drugs. He should have said "I don't do illegal narcotics besides pot". Suppose I'm not a part of everybody then ~ CURRENT INTERNETS = + 516506

Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.06.01 20:09:00 - [21] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: TimMc I shouldn't laugh but I did at the title. Quite horrible really. Have a heart, also this is the reason I don't do drugs (pot is not a drug!) Pot is not a drug? It's such a relief knowing that pot is safe! Alcohol, tobacco, hemlock, anthrax and plutonium aren't drugs either, so they must be safe to use too! lol everyone does drugs. He should have said "I don't do illegal narcotics besides pot". I'm also not part of everybody, I don't do illegal drugs in part due to the necessity to involve myself with the above 'tard crowd in order to facilitate the habit. Delenda est achura.
C1yde Caldari The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2010.06.01 20:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Wendat Huron Sorry but I don't buy that for a minute, first of all you have to be a 'tard to believe in anything like the devil. Second, why would you want to do hallucinogens when doing martial arts? Isn't the goal full bodily control and focus? I've had a psychosis myself, I never contemplated cutting out the heart of someone still living during that time. The 'tard was a 'tard before the drugs and made 'tard decisions on drugs. Crime should be punished regardless of mental state, so what that you killed someone while intoxicated, bad break there sonny but dead is dead. You got me wrong, im not making an excuse for this or any other 'drug induced' death. I commented more on the second quoted comment and the way i thought it was wrong. To me he was being blase about drugs. Im not making any comment on the news report, its freaky and i doubt anyone here is qualified to even tackle the subject properly. Like you, i dont care what state you are in when you kill, you killed and you should get the same as any other killer. Which sadly seems to be very little nowadays compared to the sentence they enacted on the victim. *This is the end, my friend*
Something Random Gallente The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2010.06.01 20:26:00 - [23] ^ just imagine it was this char that just said all that ^ Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm: Aint that right?
dr doooo	Posted - 2010.06.01 20:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Something Random Originally by: dr doooo Normal shroom use won't make you do that if you are ok in the head. I know from personal experience though that someone may have mental problems that they are managing to hide pretty well, but a big dose of hallucinogens (or long term heavy use) may push them over the precipice... Sorry mods im not trying to pyramid quote... just happen to this time. It may not be the fact they are hiding it pretty well. it maybe that they never even knew, nor there doctor/family/friends, they were susceptable to psychosis. This is the scary thing about chemicals/psilocybins. I suffer psychosis under hallucinogen use and its only drugs that brought that out. Trust me it can happen to the best of you, no matter your background/upbringing etc - i.e. the usual suspects. So... tread carefully through that particular valley is all i can say. Hiding it wasn't really the right term. What I meant was that after the event and with hindsight, there were lots of clues that were overlooked both by the guy and his friends, that his mind was nowhere near as settled as it should have been. Maybe that rings true with your experience, or maybe not. This obviously isn't a one size fits all kind of thing. Either way though, I think the cage fighter must have been psychotic at the time to do what he did to his friend, regardless of what triggered it. It's not like he is going to get off it or get a lesser sentence because the trigger was shrooms rather than something else, so why not believe him? (and for the poster worried about the mechanics of going through the ribcage - you get at the heart from the bottom, up through the diaphragm).
dr doooo	Posted - 2010.06.01 22:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Something Random ...Sorry mods im not trying to pyramid quote... just happen to this time. It may not be the fact they are hiding it pretty well. it maybe that they never even knew, nor there doctor/family/friends, they were susceptable to psychosis. This is the scary thing about chemicals/psilocybins. I suffer psychosis under hallucinogen use and its only drugs that brought that out. Trust me it can happen to the best of you, no matter your background/upbringing etc - i.e. the usual suspects. So... tread carefully through that particular valley is all i can say. Sorry but I don't buy that for a minute, first of all you have to be a 'tard to believe in anything like the devil. Second, why would you want to do hallucinogens when doing martial arts? Isn't the goal full bodily control and focus? I've had a psychosis myself, I never contemplated cutting out the heart of someone still living during that time. The 'tard was a 'tard before the drugs and made 'tard decisions on drugs. Crime should be punished regardless of mental state, so what that you killed someone while intoxicated, bad break there sonny but dead is dead. You like to throw 'tard' around a lot:) "why would you want to do hallucinogens when doing martial arts?" - You know the world is a crazy old place where sometimes, just sometimes, people don't fit into your half a dozen character templates. (and lay off of the 'cage fighter' steroids, they can make you crazy) "I've had a psychosis myself"- that obviously makes you an expert on the subject - you've seen one psychosis you've seen then all! "Crime should be punished regardless of mental state" - I agree. Why should that doormouse of a wife who was getting beaten and ****d by her husband and his 17 cousins get less for murder than the black widow.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.01 22:19:00 - [26] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 01/06/2010 22:20:46 Some people should not take psychotropics. Those that should not take them usually find out the first time that they do not have the proper mind set to take psychotropics. I seriously doubt that this guy was taking psilocybin based mushrooms for the first time. Either way, the guy should be held accountable for his own actions, period! Originally by: dr doooo "Crime should be punished regardless of mental state" - I agree. Why should that doormouse of a wife who was getting beaten and ****d by her husband and his 17 cousins get less for murder than the black widow. If you are talking about premeditated murder, there is no excuse for a battered women to kill her husband. If she kills him during the act it would be self defense; no grey area for this guy. Now; if she premeditated the murder and is able to convince the jury that act was executed during an atempted battery, then more props to her EDIT: Spelling and flow Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.02 00:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Slade Trillgon EDIT 2: Is the Daily Mail a reputable news source? The only links Google pops up are to the DN article and other forums where it has been linked. No Associated Press source has this story so it seems. END EDIT 2: Originally by: Zions Child a bit earlier in the thread Obviously he was performing your average Aztec Sun God ritual. He was just missing the pyramid of stairs to roll his body down. EDIT: ** YOU DAILYMAIL TROLL! Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
ChronoXVII	Posted - 2010.06.02 10:18:00 - [28] Blaming mushrooms is total bs. Where I used to live in Wales, mushys grew in my back garden and EVERY year I would pick (and sometimes dry), eat, enjoy. The only problem I found with them was at the start 20 or so would send me off but it would soon have to be 30 then 40 etc. By the end of the mushy season it would take over a hundred to get me high. Mushy things I have tried (thx mum ): mushy tea, chicken and mushy pies, mushrooms on toast, mushies with my fried breakfast etc. Yup, you read it right, my mum used to make all of those things for me ... She said it kept me calm, if giggling for the day. So, my own personal experience of mushys is that they make you high, giggly but very peaceful. Never got angry once. I miss them Yes, this is an alt cos my main is forum banned :)
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.02 10:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Intense Thinker Have a heart, No pun intended eh? If it was in the UK, he'd probably only be up for manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility
Cikulisuy Amarr The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.02 12:08:00 - [30] in before someone manages to rouse a media circus blaming this on his mortal kombat addiction when he was a youngster. nub> you cant mine so you kill.



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