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fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.09 21:26:00 - [1] I work for 3 days, 14 hours a day to make 100mill. I miss a week of NPC'ing to keep my BS docked and safe so lose 200mill. And now people who lost their BS being irisponsible after a patch that was bound to cause lag/bugs. Have had the Insure from the BS, Anew BS and insure today and some have gotten both this AND their BS allready replaced BY GMS from a petition. THEY HAVE MADE 200+MILL per BS lost and i have Lost 200mills worth when i was the 1 taking care of my ship. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.09 21:26:00 - [2] I work for 3 days, 14 hours a day to make 100mill. I miss a week of NPC'ing to keep my BS docked and safe so lose 200mill. And now people who lost their BS being irisponsible after a patch that was bound to cause lag/bugs. Have had the Insure from the BS, Anew BS and insure today and some have gotten both this AND their BS allready replaced BY GMS from a petition. THEY HAVE MADE 200+MILL per BS lost and i have Lost 200mills worth when i was the 1 taking care of my ship. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.09 22:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Frozen Light This is just ridicilous. So have any of you given a thought to those who lost their ships during a lag in a mission? Now wait, there's no point even to continue this post. I thank CCP, this one made my day really. I was set back around 14m by loosing my ship to a lag spike during mission and now I'm finally back on track, with millions of loans paid finally back. THAT RIDICILOUS. What about me and peps like me who played SAFE AND Kept BS DOCKED FOR LAUNCH WEEK. Not only have i lost 200+MILL to a week of possible hunting npc. I have now been punished when people who were incompitent getting their BS lost not only get their BS replaced but Insured and the insure payout kept. Some got two replacment BS 1 from today and 1 from GM aswered petition + the insure. And some who blow up their BS for the insure isk to buy shiva stuff also got theirs back. thats 100mill of insure payout+ 200mill hunting time loss+ 100mill BS (+somecases second replacemnt to) adding upto a total 400 or 500mill depending on how many replacments they got i've missed out on. WHEN I STYAED DOCKED SAFE DOING THE RIGHT THING. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.09 22:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Frozen Light This is just ridicilous. So have any of you given a thought to those who lost their ships during a lag in a mission? Now wait, there's no point even to continue this post. I thank CCP, this one made my day really. I was set back around 14m by loosing my ship to a lag spike during mission and now I'm finally back on track, with millions of loans paid finally back. THAT RIDICILOUS. What about me and peps like me who played SAFE AND Kept BS DOCKED FOR LAUNCH WEEK. Not only have i lost 200+MILL to a week of possible hunting npc. I have now been punished when people who were incompitent getting their BS lost not only get their BS replaced but Insured and the insure payout kept. Some got two replacment BS 1 from today and 1 from GM aswered petition + the insure. And some who blow up their BS for the insure isk to buy shiva stuff also got theirs back. thats 100mill of insure payout+ 200mill hunting time loss+ 100mill BS (+somecases second replacemnt to) adding upto a total 400 or 500mill depending on how many replacments they got i've missed out on. WHEN I STYAED DOCKED SAFE DOING THE RIGHT THING. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.09 22:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Sharp Exchange This move has restored my faith in CCP. I lost 100's of millions in the first few days of exodus, through no fault of my own, and this action has at least helped to mitigate some of those losses. Like i just pointed out it was your own fault if you had not undocked a single BS for the week after launch you would not have lost the isk. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.09 22:58:00 - [6] Originally by: Sharp Exchange This move has restored my faith in CCP. I lost 100's of millions in the first few days of exodus, through no fault of my own, and this action has at least helped to mitigate some of those losses. Like i just pointed out it was your own fault if you had not undocked a single BS for the week after launch you would not have lost the isk. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.10 00:19:00 - [7] Edited by: fairimear on 10/12/2004 00:23:02 Its not just insure they have to remove. It also needs any 1 who got a ship refunded by petition to have their second refunded ship taken. and this also does not solve the ones who killed their BS for the insure and got it back. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.10 00:19:00 - [8] Edited by: fairimear on 10/12/2004 00:23:02 Its not just insure they have to remove. It also needs any 1 who got a ship refunded by petition to have their second refunded ship taken. and this also does not solve the ones who killed their BS for the insure and got it back. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.10 01:53:00 - [9] Originally by: OffBeaT wait, lets just make this far. evryone in the game should get a ship = to there best ship in there hanger free. so if my best ship is a raven i should get one. that way its far across the board. ooo free impocs? (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.10 01:53:00 - [10] Originally by: OffBeaT wait, lets just make this far. evryone in the game should get a ship = to there best ship in there hanger free. so if my best ship is a raven i should get one. that way its far across the board. ooo free impocs? (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.10 10:48:00 - [11] Edited by: fairimear on 10/12/2004 10:53:41 Originally by: von Steinroehder How about you follow the calculations and post creative criticism instead of flaming. As if it would help to be that fatalistic. mainly cus you missed the point, the first insure they got payed for the replacment ship so they only needed the 30mill insure cost to be refunded by ccp any way. but now they get a entire free BS+insure so make 200mill(as the insure was free they make the payout). and many have gotten 2 replacments + the insure because it also refunded ship that gms have refunded. it's a joke. im 500mill out of pocket to exodus now. 200 from hunting time missed well keeping BS docked 300 to not getting 2 free bs + insure for being the sensible 1 who stayed docked. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.10 10:48:00 - [12] Edited by: fairimear on 10/12/2004 10:53:41 Originally by: von Steinroehder How about you follow the calculations and post creative criticism instead of flaming. As if it would help to be that fatalistic. mainly cus you missed the point, the first insure they got payed for the replacment ship so they only needed the 30mill insure cost to be refunded by ccp any way. but now they get a entire free BS+insure so make 200mill(as the insure was free they make the payout). and many have gotten 2 replacments + the insure because it also refunded ship that gms have refunded. it's a joke. im 500mill out of pocket to exodus now. 200 from hunting time missed well keeping BS docked 300 to not getting 2 free bs + insure for being the sensible 1 who stayed docked. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.10 14:07:00 - [13] Edited by: fairimear on 10/12/2004 14:12:51 Originally by: von Steinroehder Hey DB Preacher, first of all - I respect your views and would really like not to talk about RL issues (such as our jobs etc.) in the future, that's just way off topic. I know what you mean, essentially the reimbursement measure has led to increased inflation, as your ISK is worth less than before now. But on a grand scale I don't think that this (one shot, not to be repeated again in the near future) measure really has that large an impact as many people proclaim here. You either don't play much, don't know how much isk can be be made and the huge effects this has on alliances. IF i had taken my Apoc out and pvp with normal mods and lost it to lag. A. i would have petitioned it and got it replaced fully. + now i would have gotten a second apoc + the original insure = 200mill. And add to that 200 from a week of hunting i missed due to the fact I STAYED SAFE WITH MY BS FOR THE WEEK AFTER EXO LAUNCH = 400mill im out of pocket all because of exodus. when others are 200mill in pocket due to exodus. thats a massive impact when you devide the comunity in two with half gaining and half lossing. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.10 14:07:00 - [14] Edited by: fairimear on 10/12/2004 14:12:51 Originally by: von Steinroehder Hey DB Preacher, first of all - I respect your views and would really like not to talk about RL issues (such as our jobs etc.) in the future, that's just way off topic. I know what you mean, essentially the reimbursement measure has led to increased inflation, as your ISK is worth less than before now. But on a grand scale I don't think that this (one shot, not to be repeated again in the near future) measure really has that large an impact as many people proclaim here. You either don't play much, don't know how much isk can be be made and the huge effects this has on alliances. IF i had taken my Apoc out and pvp with normal mods and lost it to lag. A. i would have petitioned it and got it replaced fully. + now i would have gotten a second apoc + the original insure = 200mill. And add to that 200 from a week of hunting i missed due to the fact I STAYED SAFE WITH MY BS FOR THE WEEK AFTER EXO LAUNCH = 400mill im out of pocket all because of exodus. when others are 200mill in pocket due to exodus. thats a massive impact when you devide the comunity in two with half gaining and half lossing. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.11 00:08:00 - [15] Edited by: fairimear on 11/12/2004 00:17:11 Originally by: TheFatman "The scenario where your enemy is getting so much back because you killed him alot during those 5 days: He got the insurance payout, bought something, you probably blew him up again, rinse, repeat. We reimbursed his ships yesterday, meaning he can either sell them/destroy them to get isk to buy some more stuff so you can kill him, rinse and repeat, or he goes out in said ships and he gets blown up by you again. Rinse. Repeat. If you are so good at what you do, you should have no problems rinsing and repeating - or were you just lucky and don't think you can take him on any longer?" snip If you guys are such good developers why don't you friggen manually replace the ships that were actually caused by bugs? Or are you just lazy? Your fingers hurt from doing customer support? Another thing if the majority of people were helped by this and it will have zero effect on the economy, than it should be no problem giving minority of customers a few 100 mil for having to put up with a crappy patch release, right? No flaming - Wrangler thats the biggest lot of **** about. NO ONE IN EVE AND I MEAN NO ONE. Can win over and over without lossing. And when people say well bob can defeat that fleet again well no. the enemy is getting afleet after they know what mistakes they made lastime so won't do it again that plus the fact BoB are now disheartened by the meaningles victory mean infact their enemys are more likely to beat them this time around. Its like asking for the battle of midway again but to tell the Japanese its a trap and to tell them that high level dive bomber hitting the fuel lines on deck will cost them their carriers. im sure IF that was possible not many Americans in the world would be expected to lie down and let time be altered. nd as for the econimy its bounD to have a effect. i have been saving for faction ships and now people who have not will probably be able afford them to without any of the work i done. So yes to people who did not get "a few hundred mil" its a big efeect on their plans. This will cause bitter resentment of the lucky ones and ccp as people who did't go well that guy got 200mill from ccp if i had gotten that i would have won the 1260hp armor rep auction not him. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.11 00:08:00 - [16] Edited by: fairimear on 11/12/2004 00:17:11 Originally by: TheFatman "The scenario where your enemy is getting so much back because you killed him alot during those 5 days: He got the insurance payout, bought something, you probably blew him up again, rinse, repeat. We reimbursed his ships yesterday, meaning he can either sell them/destroy them to get isk to buy some more stuff so you can kill him, rinse and repeat, or he goes out in said ships and he gets blown up by you again. Rinse. Repeat. If you are so good at what you do, you should have no problems rinsing and repeating - or were you just lucky and don't think you can take him on any longer?" snip If you guys are such good developers why don't you friggen manually replace the ships that were actually caused by bugs? Or are you just lazy? Your fingers hurt from doing customer support? Another thing if the majority of people were helped by this and it will have zero effect on the economy, than it should be no problem giving minority of customers a few 100 mil for having to put up with a crappy patch release, right? No flaming - Wrangler thats the biggest lot of **** about. NO ONE IN EVE AND I MEAN NO ONE. Can win over and over without lossing. And when people say well bob can defeat that fleet again well no. the enemy is getting afleet after they know what mistakes they made lastime so won't do it again that plus the fact BoB are now disheartened by the meaningles victory mean infact their enemys are more likely to beat them this time around. Its like asking for the battle of midway again but to tell the Japanese its a trap and to tell them that high level dive bomber hitting the fuel lines on deck will cost them their carriers. im sure IF that was possible not many Americans in the world would be expected to lie down and let time be altered. nd as for the econimy its bounD to have a effect. i have been saving for faction ships and now people who have not will probably be able afford them to without any of the work i done. So yes to people who did not get "a few hundred mil" its a big efeect on their plans. This will cause bitter resentment of the lucky ones and ccp as people who did't go well that guy got 200mill from ccp if i had gotten that i would have won the 1260hp armor rep auction not him. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.11 03:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Nemesis I Hmm well this isnt fair - they took my insurance money!!!!!!!!!! Im Petitioning this right now :) o no the free insure WELL THATS ONLY 30MILL LESS THEY GET. THEY GOT PAYED 100MILL when the ship was lost. They now get free ship so are in pocket 100. then take away 35mill insure. THEY ARE STILL 65 MILL IN POCKET. when its them that should be suffering for ignoring warnings of lag and taking bs out. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.11 03:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Nemesis I Hmm well this isnt fair - they took my insurance money!!!!!!!!!! Im Petitioning this right now :) o no the free insure WELL THATS ONLY 30MILL LESS THEY GET. THEY GOT PAYED 100MILL when the ship was lost. They now get free ship so are in pocket 100. then take away 35mill insure. THEY ARE STILL 65 MILL IN POCKET. when its them that should be suffering for ignoring warnings of lag and taking bs out. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.

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