We are talking about static scouts.

So let me get this straight.

You're saying that if I pay for another account with ISK, it is pay to win because because some nameless stranger somewhere at some point spent money to purchase the PLEX I used?

In fact, this stranger just paid for me to win.

Really?

REALLY!!?!

At what point did that begin to actually make sense to you?

And that's why every corp worth its salt uses quite a few of them, cloaked at key gates from a distance. They thus provide shiptypes, direction, and are only prone to miss targets if you fail to switch to them when seeing or hearing stuff happening on their client.

Sometimes I think I should really use alts, it seems I've got a better clue than most people.

At the point where real money began to affect game balance beyond the basic admittance fee.

At the point where real money began to affect game balance beyond the basic admittance fee.

Any corp that uses them is the perfect place for my SB because their intel is always insainly bad. I have seen what these intel networks are like and in all of them I can score several kills before I even get picked up and its normally reported by an active player I just killed.

You honestly cannot see that someone who just spent isk is getting exactly the same advantage as someone paying real money for exactly the same thing?

At the point where real money began to affect game balance beyond the basic admittance fee.

Someone did. And someone, almost always at least two people, benefited from doing it. Again ... benefiting in-game from someone spending real money on the game.

Oh ok my bad people spend isk or money on static alts because they're useless and nobody knows how to make advantage of them, makes sense

I take it your solution is to somehow try and enforce a "One account per person" rule.

How, exactly, would you propose to make that possible?

I take it your solution is to somehow try and enforce a "One account per person" rule.

How, exactly, would you propose to make that possible?

They are obviously not getting exactly the same advantage. They spend money, and then an item is place in their hangar which would not have been there had they not spent money. The person who did not spend money does not get an item placed into his hangar in such a manner because he did not spend money. He has to buy said item with ISK. The problem isn't that you can buy things with ISK, the problem is that you can buy things with real money.

We are talking about IRC here.

Good thing that real money never affected game balance to begin with.

Sure they are. That's the entire point: this game does not have P2W. It does not have GÇ£gold ammoGÇ¥ anything you get with cash will be exactly the same thing as everyone else have. The advantage you get from your bling pirate battleship is the exact same advantage as they get from their bling pirate battleship, because it's the exact same ship with the exact same modules and the exact same stats.

They are obviously not getting exactly the same advantage. They spend money, and then an item is place in their hangar which would not have been there had they not spent money. The person who did not spend money does not get an item placed into his hangar in such a manner because he did not spend money. He has to buy said item with ISK. The problem isn't that you can buy things with ISK, the problem is that you can buy things with real money.

So when someone buys an account with real money and starts playing the game, the balance of the game is not affected by the entry of a new player at all?

He spends money for a service

I spend no money for exactly the same service.


Where is the advantage?

You're the only one doing so. I was merely referring to a corp using static scouts alts for its own personal intel.

No more than if he starts the account without real money.

Now not only do you spend no money for exactly the same service, but you also spend real money in addition to ISK for even more of the service. Advantage.

You can spend real money on EVE to get stuff in-game. That is real money affecting the game balance. That is the problem.

Now not only do you spend no money for exactly the same service, but you also spend real money in addition to ISK for even more of the service. Advantage.

You can spend real money on EVE to get stuff in-game. That is real money affecting the game balance. That is the problem.

Completely and utterly irrelevant.

If real money can be spent to alter game balance

They use your system. Its so bad that my corp would wander through their space and never get reported.

That's called pay to play not pay to win.

And is kind of the whole point of why Plex is not pay to win. Because someone paid CCP for a game subscription not for isk. that another person is willing to pay isk for that game subscription does not make it pay to win.

Pay to win is when you can spend real life money to purchase advantages that players who do not pay can't get through normal game play. Such as say premium tanks in WOT that give a bonus to how much money you make. Or special ammo that can only be purchased with RL currency that is more accurate or does more damage than the ammo available through normal game play.

Hell the very existence of plex breaks your premise that alts somehow make the game "Pay to win" because those accounts can be paid for with in the game currency acquired through normal universally available game mechanics.

We'll see. I have faith that eventually the light will dawn.

I assure you all the use of static alts scouts I've seen ingame has provided a huge advantage to those corps I've been in. Mostly WH corps, though. Their smaller side tends to eliminate sloppiness esting upon others' shoulders, as happens sometimes in null.