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Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.05 23:58:00 - [61] And that's the most annoying thing about Apple products. I can afford them, but I'd prefer it if they weren't so ***ing expensive. They are well built, Apple care has been awesome to me (I've only used it for my stupid phone). They've allowed me to do returns and exchanges outside the 2 week limit - several times. They're just too expensive. As they continue to gain market share, I hope that prices will drop to more manageable levels. It took long enough, but the Macbook price has came down (a little) and it needs to come down more. I got my 17" because that's the screen size I'm used to. I just can't comfortably use a 15" and hell no for a 13". PC laptop in 17" are made of plastic. They're faster in some cases, and more capable in others (for a pretty penny too) but they're heavy, plastic and fragile. I can't have that in my line of work. I have to invest in something that will hold up to traveling anywhere from 3 to 6 days a week. "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up."* - Akima
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.06.06 01:26:00 - [62] Originally by: baltec1 Snow Leopard will not work on a Power Mac G5 while Windows 7 can be run on an old PC. Windows 7 will not run on my 486 DX4-100 or AMD K6-II. The installer flat out refuses to proceed, claiming that my hardware is not acceptable. Both machines run the latest version of Linux just fine though. [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Drudging	Posted - 2010.06.06 01:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Mara Rinn Windows 7 will not run on my 486 DX4-100 or AMD K6-II. The installer flat out refuses to proceed, claiming that my hardware is not acceptable. Both machines run the latest version of Linux just fine though. http://winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm 7mhz, 20 megs of ram. I dont think you tried hard enough tbh.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.06 02:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Drudging Originally by: Mara Rinn Windows 7 will not run on my 486 DX4-100 or AMD K6-II. The installer flat out refuses to proceed, claiming that my hardware is not acceptable. Both machines run the latest version of Linux just fine though. http://winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm 7mhz, 20 megs of ram. I dont think you tried hard enough tbh. I don't think you read hard enough. That usually helps, because Windows 7 is != to Windows XP. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.06.06 03:05:00 - [65] Originally by: Zedic And that's the most annoying thing about Apple products. I can afford them, but I'd prefer it if they weren't so ****ing expensive. They are well built, Apple care has been awesome to me ... They're just too expensive. I prefer paying the "Apple Tax" which is about $500 according to Steve Ballmer rather than the "Windows Tax". The "Windows Tax" is the one I keep paying for my friends: machines that won't boot because the power supply didn't switch off properly the last time they used the computer, cheap RAM that has random bit errors and causes odd problems which take hours to diagnose, poor ventilation due to the motherboard and case not being designed for each other. Having to run virus software which strips about 20% of the performance of the computer (or more, if the virus scanner is intercepting disk I/O). I keep paying the "Windows Tax" which is the fiddling around that is required to keep white-box PCs running. The only good Windows computer I've used was my Medion laptop from ALDI. It came with Windows Vista (best Windows ever, until Windows 7 came out). Sadly the motherboard fried itself less than a year after I bought it, due to running EVE too much. So I'm still using my 17" iMac Core 2 Duo to play EVE Online. It's four years old now, making it the longest lived of my gaming computers. [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.06 03:08:00 - [66] All the fanboyism and product/OS evaluation that matters aside, why do people want to use something with a giant button that says "Start" ? (or big logo on the newest incarnations) is that just some identifying idea/concept they don't want to be rid of? The whole UI and menu choice system is so annoying to me, it feels like a broken toy. Are people just used to it and accept it or do they really, really like it? it seems to take twice as long to get to what you need than any competing OS with a GUI. Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Torque Daisy Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.06.06 03:22:00 - [67] heh seems apple is bankrolled by students getting into debt judging by that picture :P this thread really was not a troll, I simply wanted to know, seems apple is a bit like B&O, a design 'powerhouse' whose goods don't outperform cheaper alternatives (absolutely true in b&O case, my NAD/Mission HiFi will happily take on a 10x more expensive b&o in sound quality and win, it looks cack though) but offer lifestyle/home integration in living spaces, aesthetic co-ordination and 'out of the box' inter-operability between entire ranges. of course there are other factors and it's a crude comparison, but basically ball park. horses for courses, basically. can you overclock a mac btw :P
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.06 03:51:00 - [68] Originally by: Torque Daisy heh seems apple is bankrolled by students getting into debt judging by that picture :P this thread really was not a troll, I simply wanted to know, seems apple is a bit like B&O, a design 'powerhouse' whose goods don't outperform cheaper alternatives (absolutely true in b&O case, my NAD/Mission HiFi will happily take on a 10x more expensive b&o in sound quality and win, it looks cack though) but offer lifestyle/home integration in living spaces, aesthetic co-ordination and 'out of the box' inter-operability between entire ranges. of course there are other factors and it's a crude comparison, but basically ball park. horses for courses, basically. can you overclock a mac btw :P the difference being stability and product quality. it's one thing to look under the hood and say one car's better than the next because it's got X kind of engine. It's another to actually see how long it can run without a problem performing a certain kind of driving after taking it off the lot. I'm terrible at car analogies, I'm not a car person, but you get what i'm saying. I kind of HATE Apple as a company, but I'll certainly not go back to using other computers for my day to day or professional activities. I can measure in real world time how many hours of time were lost doing the exact same things on similar and well maintained machines, but the punchline being that I can trust Apple's machines with my livelyhood, whereas PCs have just let me down over and over again. Not to say i've never had a problem, and it's worth noting that if you live in a more remote area or smaller town and DO have some kind of problem, it's a lot more difficult to get your machine serviced via warranty without annoyances. You talked about lifestyle and stuff, the only comment I have on that is the mental image burned into my mind whenever I think about PCs, and it has nothing to do with Apple's marketing. It usually involves one of the following: -Memories of gross tan colored towers that contained crashy computers -Stupid looking space-wasting monstrosities with colored LEDs shining anywhere they can -a LOT of pain, misery and suffering cutting out of my free time, rest and game playing due to random Windows implosions and things So not liking those things - maybe I am a niche market, given how many people cling onto that stuff ;) People always talk about apple junk being for people who like "pretty stuff" and that it's purely cosmetic. I must say, it does go a long way in making me enjoy working when I don't HAAAAATE the way my workspace looks. But I can assure you that there are real, measurable benefits to using Macs for a lot of people. I still maintain that despite my wishes it was different, however, that PCs are better if your only intent is gaming and simply because gaming is more about getting lots and lots of power for cheap, and if it crashes or whatever... it's annoying, but you're not losing anything "important" Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Drudging	Posted - 2010.06.06 04:26:00 - [69] Originally by: Zions Child I don't think you read hard enough. That usually helps, because Windows 7 is != to Windows XP. I dont think you read hard enough Originally by: Mara Rinn The installer flat out refuses Probably something akin to dx10 on xp... i dont think someone has tried hard enough is all. 7mhz on xp is probably something like a k6-II on 7
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.06.06 07:49:00 - [70] Where do all you anti-PC whiners live? I had to reinstall my system the other day due to my stupidity, and installing W7 and all programs I use took at best 2-3 hours. Had I ghosted it, it would have been 30 minutes.
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.06 08:17:00 - [71] Originally by: M'ktakh Where do all you anti-PC whiners live? I had to reinstall my system the other day due to my stupidity, and installing W7 and all programs I use took at best 2-3 hours. Had I ghosted it, it would have been 30 minutes. Sweet, I can press a button and restore my macs to the state they were in any day of the past two weeks within 10 minutes. Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
hired goon	Posted - 2010.06.06 13:40:00 - [72] I don't really have much annoyance at Macs for what they are, I mean I can understand the argument that people want something more reliable or whatever. And I respect that my preference may lie somewhere else. The thing that annoys me about Macs is what they represent. There's a girl I know who is hugely superficial and materialistic. She has just spent ú500 on a new handbag because it's normally ú1200, so apparently she couldn't pass up the opportunity for the deal. She is a mac user. And no matter how much I try to inform her of the technical limitations and they money she'd save, she just wants macs because they look pretty. When the ipad was announced, she couldn't stop talking about it. When I tried to explain the limitations and asked what function it would fulfil for her, she couldn't answer other than "I don't know, i just want one." Don't even get me started on those I'm a mac I'm a PC adverts. Apple is the only company to have insulted me personally. Then there's their draconian tech police, the ongoing Foxconn debacle, and all the while I - a computer enthusiast - have to put up with apple fanbois trying to justify to me and by extension themselves why they spent too much money on a computer for no other reason than it looks good and makes them enviable. tl;dr - Charlie Brooker says it best -omg-
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.06 13:54:00 - [73] Edited by: Vogue on 06/06/2010 13:57:48 Edited by: Vogue on 06/06/2010 13:54:55 ^^^^ This is talking about a new trend in computer technology. That fashionable tech now drives new consumer buying patterns than the technology itself. Microsoft tried to push tablet laptops years ago but because of Microsofts own internal conflict: The Office division vetoed hand writing capability in office for tablets. Microsoft's tablet laptop concept did'nt fly was half baked and did'nt look stylish. I think it is naivety and also arrogance that old established tech company's expect consumers to accept new technology because it is just new technology. Sun Microsystems had this problem and had withered to nothing over time. Consumers want more now and Apple fills that niche. Tech geeks can bemoan consumers choosing pretty overpriced Apple products but buyers like products that look and feel good to use. When you buy a car its half logic and half sentiment. You buy a car that sort of fits with the person you are. This does also go into something else - consumer vanity. Computer technology company's should wise up to this more in the way Apple has. But Apple does sniff of 'conformity of being different.. or else' But I have to admit as an old fashioned geek I sterotype a lot of Apple product buyers with the sort of people that buy a convertible car but never put the roof down.
Gneeznow Minmatar Ship spinners inc	Posted - 2010.06.06 14:02:00 - [74] Mac's are one trick ponies, PC's can do everything I want and be upgraded over time, they are modular, reliable and cheap, Mac's on the other hand are expensive, singular in function and their purpose is more a statement of trendyness than functionality, so people who actually want to use a computer for gaming, work, storage and practicality will always chose the PC, people who want a shiny 'latest thing' to impress their friends and colleagues will use a mac. I think I'll stick with PC's
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.06 14:02:00 - [75] Originally by: Vogue Edited by: Vogue on 06/06/2010 13:57:48 Edited by: Vogue on 06/06/2010 13:54:55 ^^^^ This is talking about a new trend in computer technology. That fashionable tech now drives new consumer buying patterns than the technology itself. Microsoft tried to push tablet laptops years ago but because of Microsofts own internal conflict: The Office division vetoed hand writing capability in office for tablets. Microsoft's tablet laptop concept did'nt fly was half baked and did'nt look stylish. I think it is naivety and also arrogance that old established tech company's expect consumers to accept new technology because it is just new technology. Sun Microsystems had this problem and had withered to nothing over time. Consumers want more now and Apple fills that niche. Tech geeks can bemoan consumers choosing pretty overpriced Apple products but buyers like products that look and feel good to use. When you buy a car its half logic and half sentiment. You buy a car that sort of fits with the person you are. This does also go into something else - consumer vanity. Computer technology company's should wise up to this more in the way Apple has. But Apple does sniff of 'conformity of being different.. or else' But I have to admit as an old fashioned geek I sterotype a lot of Apple product buyers with the sort of people that buy a convertible car but never put the roof down. It'd be insecure with the roof down! Geez. Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Dray Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.06 15:55:00 - [76] Calling a Mac a one trick pony is just like claiming Windows crashes all the time, the usual uneducated drivel Windows and Mac fan boys have been shouting at each other for years. Seriously I thought the general computing knowledge of the average Eve player was above this, oh wait this is Eve what the f**k was I thinking....
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.06.06 15:57:00 - [77] Newzflash to Mac users: PCs have other operating systems besides the uptenth iteration of the NT.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.06.06 16:00:00 - [78] So ppl pay more money for an inferior product and have to wait longer for games to be released for wat reason?
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.06 16:14:00 - [79] I refuse to buy apple because of the almost slave labour they use in making their gadgets and computers in foreign countries. And as for this macro pro you could make yourself a much more powerful computer for less money, and just hackintosh it. _______________________ Fix rockets in '09 =(
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.06 16:16:00 - [80] Originally by: Gneeznow Mac's are one trick ponies, PC's can do everything I want and be upgraded over time, they are modular, reliable and cheap, Mac's on the other hand are expensive, singular in function and their purpose is more a statement of trendyness than functionality, so people who actually want to use a computer for gaming, work, storage and practicality will always chose the PC, people who want a shiny 'latest thing' to impress their friends and colleagues will use a mac. I think I'll stick with PC's Why do I always feel like PC loyal folks are always bitter & believe every mac user is just someone who likes to spend too much money on things that "look pretty" without knowing anything about what they're buying? A couple of things worth mentioning again, for the 5235325th time in this same thread (Yeah, people see "apple" or "mac" and skip reading all the posts just so they can say "I hate apple too!") -Just because they make "iMacs" and things it doesn't mean all they make is all-in-one, non-modular machines. Those are for very specific types of people (although I bought one before because at the time it was exactly what I needed at the right price). I can go get whatever I want in an Apple-based machine. -Singular in function: What? What's this mean? I'm just going to leave it alone and assume it's redundant mentions of the other things you asserted in the same post -"People who actually want to use a computer for ___(you named everything a computer is used for usually here__" - With the exception of a SMALL handful of people who have been loyal to apple from the beginning, most people who use Apple computers are people who made the jump for a reason. You know what that is? They got sick of not being able to "use a computer for ___(Your list of reasons)__". Because every time they did, something would go wrong. Unless they had the benefit of being some kind of weird hobbyist who had nothing better to do than spend all day and night doing research and combining different sets of hardware and software to strike the perfect balance to keep normal operation from "rocking the boat" so much that windows yells at them and quits whatever they're doing. Since switching to Mac, I've been able to track upwards of 15% increase in what most in a business setting would call "billable hours" due to things not crashing and crap while working. And these weren't "durr, i don't know how to maintain a pc!" blunders either. -"more a statement of trendyness than functionality": Have you asked anyone that purchased a Mac why they purchased one? Truthfully, I bet you could find dozens of people (especially them women! THEM WOMEN!) who said they thought they were "pretty". But as for the rest of the userbase... see some of my stuff above. Given how much flack y'all like to give the average Mac user, don't you think people who wanted to impress people would buy a PC? Or are you admitting that there's something innately impressive about a Mac? :) Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Dray Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.06 16:19:00 - [81] Originally by: Trader20 So ppl pay more money for an inferior product and have to wait longer for games to be released for wat reason? Have you been reading what's been said in this thread? I use both and if you want to game buy a Windows solution, if you have the cash and don't care about gaming buy a Mac, they might not be as good for gaming but they certainly aren't inferior.
Dray Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.06 16:24:00 - [82] Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing I refuse to buy apple because of the almost slave labour they use in making their gadgets and computers in foreign countries. And as for this macro pro you could make yourself a much more powerful computer for less money, and just hackintosh it. Almost every item in your average PC/gadget will have manufactured in China by people working in poor conditions, not just Apple, in fact unless it's made in Taiwan or Japan I guarantee you it will probably have been manufactured in similar conditions somewhere in Asia. A hackintosh isn't an ideal solution, any more than running Win 7 on any Mac PC other than Mac Pro. Horses for courses my friend.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2010.06.06 16:25:00 - [83] Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing I refuse to buy apple because of the almost slave labour they use in making their gadgets and computers in foreign countries. yer ummmm like any other company's as well. I don't like apple but this alone is a silly statement to make. Most other company's will have parts made over seas. Trinity Corporate Services
Kephael Caldari SERENDIPITY INC R-I-P	Posted - 2010.06.06 18:22:00 - [84] Originally by: Zedic And that's the most annoying thing about Apple products. I can afford them, but I'd prefer it if they weren't so ****ing expensive. They are well built, Apple care has been awesome to me (I've only used it for my stupid phone). They've allowed me to do returns and exchanges outside the 2 week limit - several times. They're just too expensive. As they continue to gain market share, I hope that prices will drop to more manageable levels. It took long enough, but the Macbook price has came down (a little) and it needs to come down more. I got my 17" because that's the screen size I'm used to. I just can't comfortably use a 15" and hell no for a 13". PC laptop in 17" are made of plastic. They're faster in some cases, and more capable in others (for a pretty penny too) but they're heavy, plastic and fragile. I can't have that in my line of work. I have to invest in something that will hold up to traveling anywhere from 3 to 6 days a week. Hardware vendors generally have a three year warranty on most of the hardware, many retailers charge extra for anything more than a one year warranty. __________________________________________
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.06 18:22:00 - [85] Edited by: Ella C''Tronix on 06/06/2010 18:23:38 Edited by: Ella C''Tronix on 06/06/2010 18:22:16 More fuel for the flames: Google is more or less prohibiting general use of MS Winblows based PCs in their workplaces because they've deemed them too insecure http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html Clearly it's because they just want people to spend money on useless machines that they only buy for looks, right? The article goes on into an editorial Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.06 18:28:00 - [86] What worries me is that the UK Royal Navy some years ago ditched UNIX in favour of Windows 2000 on its warships. The entire Royal Navy submarine fleet has Windows For Submarines. Quote: The Windows for Submarines programme is an example of one of the many areas where Microsoft works in partnership with the MOD to ensure that our products have the resilience, security and communications efficiency required to operate effectively in challenging military environments. Microsoft asserting they can do secure systems for the militery! I don't know whetever to laugh or cry.
Torque Daisy Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.06.06 18:48:00 - [87] i honestly don't know if that's a good or bad thing, honestly i know nothing when it comes down to it, literally nothing. my experience of windows7 is stable, much more so than the ubuntu and opensuse releases I've tried this year (both shot up errors i couldn't understand/resolve or displayed a quirky message about kernal panic and rebooted or something when windows7 installed and ran without issue), but for our navy...a windows OS...just doesn't seem right.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.06.06 18:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Dray Originally by: Trader20 So ppl pay more money for an inferior product and have to wait longer for games to be released for wat reason? Have you been reading what's been said in this thread? I use both and if you want to game buy a Windows solution, if you have the cash and don't care about gaming buy a Mac, they might not be as good for gaming but they certainly aren't inferior. Nah I haven't been reading the thread. Notice how most programs and games have delayed release dates for mac? A computer is only as good as the programs you can run on it and mac's compatibility is pathetic. You bought an inferior product and you paid extra money for it. It was a stupid purchase. Don't be mad just learn from your mistake and don't buy apple products anymore.
Drudging	Posted - 2010.06.06 20:42:00 - [89] Originally by: Ella C'Tronix Google is more or less prohibiting general use of MS Winblows based PCs in their workplaces.. .............an effort to run the company on GoogleÆs own products, including its forthcoming Chrome OS, which will compete with Windows.............. Security? Pwn2own, Chrome was untouched, Vista remained unscathed until flash was installed.. Everything mac? First day, in the first few minutes, everything burned. Generally, at the end of the day, its the user that compromises security anyways.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.06 20:48:00 - [90] Originally by: Drudging Originally by: Ella C'Tronix Google is more or less prohibiting general use of MS Winblows based PCs in their workplaces.. .............an effort to run the company on GoogleÆs own products, including its forthcoming Chrome OS, which will compete with Windows.............. Security? Pwn2own, Chrome was untouched, Vista remained unscathed until flash was installed.. Everything mac? First day, in the first few minutes, everything burned. Generally, at the end of the day, its the user that compromises security anyways. Every knows that the pwn2own competition is done by very competent hackers who spends months preparing their attacks. It's not as if they just sit down and press a few buttons and "burn" the machines and you know it. Save the intellectually dishonest **** for someone that would believe you. "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima

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