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MooKids Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.03 21:12:00 - [31] Well, they do need the high end stuff to run Photoshop... -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.06.03 21:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Mother Clanger Originally by: baltec1 ...a PC can do everything a mac can do but a mac can do bugger all when compared to a PC. Please elaborate as I beg to differ. - MC Snow Leopard will not work on a Power Mac G5 while Windows 7 can be run on an old PC. While this is here though, can someone please tell me what exactly an IPAD can do? So far all I see is an expensive shiney thing that I can touch.
Mother Clanger Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.03 21:59:00 - [33] Originally by: northwesten you mad? No u! I'm in fighting mood Why the hell not, the worst that can happen is that no-one thinks any different to their pre-conceived ideas of Mac's being over-priced trash. I like Mac's, I like PC's, I don't like it when either gets bashed for no good reason. Why is no-one talking about the fact that Apple's standard warranty is so un-business friendly it's not funny? 2-3 weeks to get a computer fixed when I dropped it off? Terrible. Are they actually good products? For the right kind of user, absolutely. Originally by: northwesten PS Saying people not paying for a logo is talking BS. People do pay for logo/names not just apple. I mean their phones are over priced over hyped! saying saying otherwise need to get a clue really. Actually I can't disagree, there are numerous products in the Apple line-up that seem much more expensive than they should do and I take your point about brands in general, people do pay for a name. However, I stand by my assertion that the Mac Pro line is on a par price wise with pre-built systems from just about every other manufacturer. Originally by: northwesten PS now the HP over 4k now? any more crap want to send out there? If you click the link in my first post it has a total of $3700. If you read my first post it says the price inc. VAT is ú3000. Where did I change anything? You want me to explain each word to you? You seem to understand and type English very well so there must be something going wrong somewhere... Originally by: northwesten oh nice main by the way I'll take that as a compliment, thank you. Here, here's all my characters: Mother Clanger, Crayon Fusilade, Wuff Wuff, Merenghi, Mesuinu and hellhathnofury. You tell me which is my main as I really couldn't tell you Originally by: northwesten Anyhow who buys PC from HP anyway Corporates primarily. I believe their support is pretty good. - MC
Mother Clanger Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.03 22:20:00 - [34] Originally by: baltec1 Snow Leopard will not work on a Power Mac G5 while Windows 7 can be run on an old PC. Ooooooooh, crafty, and a very good point. Looking at it logically, you're a company changing over from PowerPC processors to Intel processors. Where is the cut off point? Software companies will still support 10.5 for quite a while. Intel Macs have been out for 4.5 years now. And I would take a bet with anyone that 10.10/.11/.12 will be completely backwards compatible should you so desire for every Intel Mac ever. That's not to say if I had dumped a big wedge of money on a high spec G5 tower that I wouldn't be somewhat pied. Originally by:** baltec1 While this is here though, can someone please tell me what exactly an IPAD can do? So far all I see is an expensive shiney thing that I can touch. Personally, I like many others wanted a tablet Macbook, not a stretched iPod Touch. However, I've got a feeling it will do the same for the tablet market that the iPod did for the MP3 player market. I tried one for the first time today; The Times app was sheer bliss and like nothing I've ever used before and the battery life is crazy long, even on video. I can only suggest trying one out if you haven't already and make up your mind after spending 15 minutes on the thing. - MC
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.06.03 22:24:00 - [35] Originally by: baltec1 Snow Leopard will not work on a Power Mac G5 while Windows 7 can be run on an old PC. But this is a GOOD thing. Let me explain. Windows will run on old PCs as it deliberately maintains backwards compatability. This makes the OS more bloated as it has to support legacy APIs that hardly anything else uses any more. Snow Leopard will not run on a Power Mac as these use an entirely different CPU architecture - Power PC. This is old hardware and removing support for it slimmed down the OS's installation footprint and enabled Apple to remove lots of legacy code that hardly anyone uses any more.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.06.03 22:45:00 - [36] Edited by: baltec1 on 03/06/2010 22:47:38 Originally by: Mother Clanger Ooooooooh, crafty, Im not just a pretty face Originally by: Mother Clanger Personally, I like many others wanted a tablet Macbook, not a stretched iPod Touch. However, I've got a feeling it will do the same for the tablet market that the iPod did for the MP3 player market. I tried one for the first time today; The Times app was sheer bliss and like nothing I've ever used before and the battery life is crazy long, even on video. I can only suggest trying one out if you haven't already and make up your mind after spending 15 minutes on the thing. - MC Well, I have always wanted a good touch screen tablet I can draw on. I have a tablet but it is a crappy cheap thing and trying to draw on a tablet while watching the screen is not an easy thing to do. I also fantisized over playing eve via a touch screen. Both clearly wont happen with an IPAD. I had a go in a local shop and to be honest there is not a lot it can do. It kinda seems like an Iphone only larger and without the ability to make phonecalls
Mother Clanger Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.03 23:51:00 - [37] Originally by: baltec1 Well, I have always wanted a good touch screen tablet I can draw on. I have a tablet but it is a crappy cheap thing and trying to draw on a tablet while watching the screen is not an easy thing to do. I also fantisized over playing eve via a touch screen. Both clearly wont happen with an IPAD. I had a go in a local shop and to be honest there is not a lot it can do. It kinda seems like an Iphone only larger and without the ability to make phonecalls My goodness, you and me both. If Apple can't do an artists sketchpad/notepad computer who the hell is going to do one? (I would laugh if it ends up being IBM ) I really thought this was going to be it. I would say perhaps invest in a better quality tablet? I've got a ten year old A5 Intuos 2 and it's as pleasurable to use today as when it was new. The whole watching the screen/not watching your hand took me a few months to work out properly but trying to Photoshop these days without just seems wrong. I think it might be your tablet holding you back here. Yes, iPad clearly won't be our saviour unfortunately. However, you can see who it's geared to; people who either don't carry or don't want to carry a laptop with them and for people who just want to chill out at home doing e-mails/web browsing/video watching/other app stuff without all the hassle that comes with a normal computer. It actually seems like a great product in that regard, I could teach my mum how to use it and she's never used a computer. Unfortunately we're not the target market and it's not surprising as we're in the minority . - MC
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.06.04 01:33:00 - [38] oh no not again /facepalm Windows wins Mac loses Why? mac is a $700 PC with a $3000 price tag, only difference is mac OS which is nothing special. -------------SIGZONE-------------- Remove Shadow.... ;)
Mother Clanger Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.04 01:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Taxesarebad oh no not again /facepalm Windows wins Mac loses Why? mac is a $700 PC with a $3000 price tag, only difference is mac OS which is nothing special. /(riker+picard)facepalm - MC
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.04 02:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Taxesarebad oh no not again /facepalm Windows wins Mac loses Why? mac is a $700 PC with a $3000 price tag, only difference is mac OS which is nothing special. how many times did your computer crash while you were typing that? Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.04 03:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Mother Clanger Originally by: baltec1 Well, I have always wanted a good touch screen tablet I can draw on. I have a tablet but it is a crappy cheap thing and trying to draw on a tablet while watching the screen is not an easy thing to do. I also fantisized over playing eve via a touch screen. Both clearly wont happen with an IPAD. I had a go in a local shop and to be honest there is not a lot it can do. It kinda seems like an Iphone only larger and without the ability to make phonecalls My goodness, you and me both. If Apple can't do an artists sketchpad/notepad computer who the hell is going to do one? (I would laugh if it ends up being IBM ) I really thought this was going to be it. I would say perhaps invest in a better quality tablet? I've got a ten year old A5 Intuos 2 and it's as pleasurable to use today as when it was new. The whole watching the screen/not watching your hand took me a few months to work out properly but trying to Photoshop these days without just seems wrong. I think it might be your tablet holding you back here. Yes, iPad clearly won't be our saviour unfortunately. However, you can see who it's geared to; people who either don't carry or don't want to carry a laptop with them and for people who just want to chill out at home doing e-mails/web browsing/video watching/other app stuff without all the hassle that comes with a normal computer. It actually seems like a great product in that regard, I could teach my mum how to use it and she's never used a computer. Unfortunately we're not the target market and it's not surprising as we're in the minority . - MC I didn't directly mention Mac's terrible, terrible customer support, but I alluded to it. But that horse is dead. The Ipad is a new horse, time to beat it. My school is giving the freshman ipads, (taking 100k from the SGA) in order to remain at "the forefront of technology." The dean doesn't seem to quite understand that its a useless piece of trash in a tech school. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.04 03:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: Mother Clanger Originally by: baltec1 Well, I have always wanted a good touch screen tablet I can draw on. I have a tablet but it is a crappy cheap thing and trying to draw on a tablet while watching the screen is not an easy thing to do. I also fantisized over playing eve via a touch screen. Both clearly wont happen with an IPAD. I had a go in a local shop and to be honest there is not a lot it can do. It kinda seems like an Iphone only larger and without the ability to make phonecalls My goodness, you and me both. If Apple can't do an artists sketchpad/notepad computer who the hell is going to do one? (I would laugh if it ends up being IBM ) I really thought this was going to be it. I would say perhaps invest in a better quality tablet? I've got a ten year old A5 Intuos 2 and it's as pleasurable to use today as when it was new. The whole watching the screen/not watching your hand took me a few months to work out properly but trying to Photoshop these days without just seems wrong. I think it might be your tablet holding you back here. Yes, iPad clearly won't be our saviour unfortunately. However, you can see who it's geared to; people who either don't carry or don't want to carry a laptop with them and for people who just want to chill out at home doing e-mails/web browsing/video watching/other app stuff without all the hassle that comes with a normal computer. It actually seems like a great product in that regard, I could teach my mum how to use it and she's never used a computer. Unfortunately we're not the target market and it's not surprising as we're in the minority . - MC I didn't directly mention Mac's terrible, terrible customer support, but I alluded to it. But that horse is dead. The Ipad is a new horse, time to beat it. My school is giving the freshman ipads, (taking 100k from the SGA) in order to remain at "the forefront of technology." The dean doesn't seem to quite understand that its a useless piece of trash in a tech school. Resident mac fan here, making additional points while agreeing for once with some of yours. Firstly, service hasn't been an issue except when it comes to upgrades with apple software and misc things where they refuse to swap it out for you if a new version comes out practically the next day after you buy something. They've done warranty service on things out of warranty from time to time and we're pretty awesome to me. But of course anecdotal mean nothing and experiences vary. It's just worth noting that they have people working for them that are actually willing to work with you if you do have issues, rather than a firm "thank you, come again" Now what I really wanted to talk about: iPad Why is this something people want? Why is there a market for it? I love apple, but we've had tablets for eons, what's good about this? -too wimpy to replace a laptop -too big to replace an iPod touch I don't f***ing understand. Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.04 15:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Intense Thinker http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp199/usmarine4160/m4nuz.gif Image changed to URL and I loled. Zymurgist O Rly? "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.04 15:58:00 - [44] p.s. I am laughing at you all now from the comfort of my 64gig 3G ipad. Wail and gnash your teeth for me, haters. My i-epeen swells at all the flowing tears. "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Zedic p.s. I am laughing at you all now from the comfort of my 64gig 3G ipad. Wail and gnash your teeth for me, haters. My i-epeen swells at all the flowing tears. I just answered your post using the in game brouser while on a roam. Hurp de durp!
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:31:00 - [46] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Zedic p.s. I am laughing at you all now from the comfort of my 64gig 3G ipad. Wail and gnash your teeth for me, haters. My i-epeen swells at all the flowing tears. I just answered your post using the in game brouser while on a roam. Hurp de durp! I just noticed that your name makes me think of balls for some reason, and I dislike your sig. I don't like the spaceship whale, it's somehow disturbing to look at. Not sure why. hiss "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Zedic Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Zedic p.s. I am laughing at you all now from the comfort of my 64gig 3G ipad. Wail and gnash your teeth for me, haters. My i-epeen swells at all the flowing tears. I just answered your post using the in game brouser while on a roam. Hurp de durp! I just noticed that your name makes me think of balls for some reason, and I dislike your sig. I don't like the spaceship whale, it's somehow disturbing to look at. Not sure why. hiss But its a better form of whale! Cybernetically enhanced to be more resistant to Japanese people! Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: Zedic Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Zedic p.s. I am laughing at you all now from the comfort of my 64gig 3G ipad. Wail and gnash your teeth for me, haters. My i-epeen swells at all the flowing tears. I just answered your post using the in game brouser while on a roam. Hurp de durp! I just noticed that your name makes me think of balls for some reason, and I dislike your sig. I don't like the spaceship whale, it's somehow disturbing to look at. Not sure why. hiss But its a better form of whale! Cybernetically enhanced to be more resistant to Japanese people! More of the same propaganda like the faux whale, all designed with the purpose of brainwashing people into liking tentacle **** I suspect. I shall not be deceived! Zion! Fetch me my tinfoil knickers! "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Zedic More of the same propaganda like the faux whale, all designed with the purpose of brainwashing people into liking tentacle ** I suspect. I shall not be deceived! Zion! Fetch me my tinfoil knickers! Lame' is SOOOOO 80's, and should've died then. Also, tentacle is creepy. Lol, pr 0 n is censored... Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Zedic I just noticed that your name makes me think of balls for some reason, and I dislike your sig. I don't like the spaceship whale, it's somehow disturbing to look at. Not sure why. hiss Must be because you are related to krill.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:52:00 - [51] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Zedic I just noticed that your name makes me think of balls for some reason, and I dislike your sig. I don't like the spaceship whale, it's somehow disturbing to look at. Not sure why. hiss Must be because you are related to krill. Lies. You name has been submitted to the Inquisition. You didn't supect that, did you?? "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
Mother Clanger Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.05 07:49:00 - [52] Originally by: Zions Child The dean doesn't seem to quite understand that its a useless piece of trash in a tech school. Be the first to get Linux installed on it - MC
Dray Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.05 12:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Zedic p.s. I am laughing at you all now from the comfort of my 64gig 3G ipad. Wail and gnash your teeth for me, haters. My i-epeen swells at all the flowing tears. I'm curious here, I wonder if you would indulge me as to what hardware you own and if you really need the iPad? My m8 had to have one so he bought a 32GB wifi from the states a couple of weeks ago before the UK/Euro release, he's a technophile so no amount of logic would talk him out of it but I have to say it's an awesome device, if, and I can't stress this enough you really don't want to do to much. My hardware list is 3 PC's, 2x Win 7, 1x Ubuntu, 15" Macbook pro, old G4 ibook running Debian, iPod touch and my wife's old Blackberry, now as much as I like the iPad I couldn't in all honesty justify it, even if all I had was the iPod touch and the Macbook, and I will bet my left nut that the vast majority of early adopters just don't need one, but they simply had to have one. This is testament to the strength of the Apple brand not to the functionality of the iPad it's not new nor is it revolutionary, for me an iPad running a touch screen version of OS X would've been cause for great celebration, not to mention a crotch full of pocket porridge. Alas all we have is a iPhone/iPod touch jumbo, that's the simple truth. It does have some great points tho, the photo software is superb, let down by the lack of an SD slot???? why I don't know, being out with friends who've been taking snaps with a digital camera and wanting to check out the pics on a bigger screen doesn't seem inplausible, the Marvel ap looks f**king awesome as well but not awesome enough to justify a purchase, the lack of USB is strange but understandable from a battery use point of view, the choice would've been nice tho, I'm sure they could've fitted one in somewhere, a lot of people make big issue about flash not so for me but it's there on the web and used a lot that said it's a fantastic way to view the web. As a reader I'm not sure here, I personally found it ok, most probably after the initial ohs and ahhs over the page turning I suspect it will start to strain the eyes, the Kindle is still the best electronic reader out there but it's price starts to look a bit high compared to the iPad and what it offers, there's also talk of wifi connectivity issues on the iPads, my m8 hasn't had a problem with it and neither did I while I had it. Another problem my m8 encountered was with the word processing and spreadsheet software, he had some format issues between it and his PC, I didn't try but apparently there's new word processing software on the way? The keyboard is another issue, I think it's more than enough for what you'll use the iPad for and I didn't find it bad, for emails and editing docs it's fine but any bigger document creation and prolonged typing might be uncomfortable. I didn't mention multitasking as firstly there's a new OS on the way, and to be brutally honest the people that have a genuine use for the iPad wont really need it, but at some point the user will as time goes on feel the need to do more as they become more adept. Bottom line is wait for the next gen iPad or see if an Android tablet comes out that is any good. I suspect tho Zedic in your case it's more a luxury item or a work item?, the 64GB 3G is the most expensive so it would seem you have disposable income, enjoy. I would like one but I'm painfully practical and I can't justify it because of what I already own and cost. As for Mac vs PC this will always be a hot potato, I love them both for different reasons, the Macbook pro is a joy to use and I've always like OS X but for performance a good windows PC will blow them away, but if you have the cash they're hard to beat.
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.06.05 13:59:00 - [54] If you can blow all this money on almost useless prestige consumption of tech gadget you wont ever seriously need or use, you might as well give that money to me.
Winged Crime Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.05 14:45:00 - [55] Originally by: M'ktakh If you can blow all this money on almost useless prestige consumption of tech gadget you wont ever seriously need or use, you might as well give that money to me. On the contrary, I'd say this about 98% of phones people buy themselves these days. And "custom PC" parts. (I'm looking at you colorful glowy light computer nerds)
Drudging	Posted - 2010.06.05 19:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Doom Nightmare I work at a bank, so were banned from Macs (security) ^^ This, really. Debate all you want, all these kids, are going to be using a PC when they get a job.
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.06.05 22:01:00 - [57] Originally by: Drudging Originally by: Doom Nightmare I work at a bank, so were banned from Macs (security) ^^ This, really. Debate all you want, all these kids, are going to be using a PC when they get a job. Too bad there are entire industries that won't go near PCs and use Macs nearly exclusively. (and no, they're not apple training professions :)) Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.05 22:50:00 - [58] @ Dray, I guess it's more of a luxury item for me. I also have the 17" MBP and the 24" Apple LED display for when I'm at home (hook my MPB to it) The only thing I wish it had right now would be a forward facing camera. I'd like to be able to video chat with it. I got the 64 gig because I hate running out of storage, which is another thing that annoys me about my iphone 3G. I want all of my music and movies with me, even if I don't use most of it lol. So far it's been a joy to use. Plants vs Zombies is my current game addiction on it, I'm still getting used to reading books on it, but it's not too distracting (i've never used an ereader before). Videos, and TV shows are amazingly clear and crisp. And webpages look well, amazing. The responsiveness of this thing is snappy. But then I've been using a 3G so anything would seem snappy compared to that phone. I've actually never early adopted anything before, but I'm completely happy with my with this purchase. As mentioned in that google phone thread, I am bored to tears with the iphone OS interface. I'm hoping the new OS update coming out this fall will be interesting. "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
Kleiner Vance	Posted - 2010.06.05 22:56:00 - [59] Just chiming in. Don't know if it has been mentioned but i own a PC because: 1. Macs are overpriced 2. Macs refuse to work with anything not specifically approved by apple. 3. I cant play Mass effect on a mac. (or 90% of other games for that matter.)
Dray Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.05 23:33:00 - [60] @ Zedic You have a 17" MBP, I don't like you anymore. Joking aside I'd love the 17" MBP but it's just too damn expensive, I'm not due an upgrade since I've only had this current 15" MBP for @ a year now, maybe at xmas or my bday in March who knows, as for the iPad my wife is dropping big hints for an 3G ver to swap out her iPhone sim with. Expensive times ahead.

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