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Jack Coutu
Gallente Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 17:28:00 -
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I like the insane jabbering of the guy accusing people of being drug addicts. You do realize that most people with alts make enough ISK to buy plex for the accounts from people that are too lazy to do anything in game like dual box missions or run an industrial set up?
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Ekrid
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.12 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 05:08:33 Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 05:01:59
Originally by: MaxxOmega Edited by: MaxxOmega on 11/06/2010 11:57:22
Originally by: Fikreta Very well put Ekrid, thank you.
It's good to know that there are people like you (and few others posting in this thread as well) who are capable to comprehend what is really going on here and to see sad state this game and its playerbase are turning into.
And the two of you are completely delusional. Ekrid has some of the stupidest post I've ever read and it's not surprising you would be in agreement... CCP wants to make money. EVERYTHING else is just fluff. Multiple accounts make CCP more money. And there would be absolutely no way whatsoever to stop this from happening without spending far more money then the issue is worth. It's never gonna happen. So live with it or quit...
Originally by: Im Blue i have 6 accounts, i have not one with negative sec nor do i have any currently with war dec's, i dont use them to avoid dec's either.
i use them all for different jobs. why? cos there is no way im waiting years to do it all on 1 guy, sod that. id guess most people with more than 1 account have simlar reasons, why wait years to have 1 person spec'd in everything when you can just train someone else to do it.
Well said, everyone else can **** off...
You can call my posts stupid all you like, just as you can call people who say the world is round is stupid because it infringes on your mentally deficient viewpoint, but that doesn't make them or me wrong .
Let me rephrase what you quoted.
Quote: I like to do everything in the game without relying on anyone, because i like playing an MMORPG solo mode despite the game being based on the idea that it works like reality, everyone contributes a part and noone can do everything alone, unlike OFFLINE RPGS. I am, in effect, completely defeating the purpose of paying extra per month to keep their servers running, when I could play an offline RPG free and just keep a chat client open and talk to my friends and use Omegle to talk to random strangers if I became so inclined. but thats cause Im an idiot who loves ****ing away money
FYQP~
BUt yeah, have fun with your delusions while calling everyone else delusional
Originally by: Hon Dao Yeah?
And here's a big **** you from someone who is disabled, and doesn't appreciate being compared to drug users by someone who obviously doesn't know anything about that either.
Guess what, I made that exception and pointed out, in fact, that people who are addicts take money from the disabled who actually need it, but you didn't bother to read that because you're an idiot. Handicapped people can still do things, can still make their life work, there's plenty of successful types out there. But you are a proven lazy person since you went off half-****ed without reading my post. thats just fact speaking for itself. I am handicapped. I lost two legs, but I found a good job, and make money, because I'm not lazy. That would also be why I am fully aware of the abuse of systems like welfare and the dole by chavs. alts are for people with a USD/life ratio higher than adolfs K/D in WWII. - Ekrid
" i'll log my alt in and check if the station has hostiles near". such a fierce carebear pirate you are |
Fikreta
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Posted - 2010.06.12 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr I have no hate for the folks who use multiple accounts at all.
I don't hate altoholics either - it's not their fault because CCP has put the things to work this way. On the other hand, I despise CCP for what they're doing here.
Originally by: Im Blue if you want the illusion of fairness its about time you either grow up or go play hellokitty
I'm not asking for 'fairness'. What's that? I only want this game to become what it falsely pretends to be: tough hardcore MMO for smart and patient people, providing consequences for their actions. Swarm of alts and multiboxing are making it no better than hellokitty so you better put away that silly elitist attitude.
Originally by: TheBlueMonkey My question thought, is how?
While the best method to stop multiaccounting would be to remove reasons/limitations forcing people to think about their 2nd, 3rd... account, technically speaking you already gave few valid answers so let me to just expand them a little bit:
* concept 'one user = one account = one character'; * unique email address on registration (no free webmail services allowed); * valid credit card together with basic personal info which can be veryfied at any time; * IP check supported by program routine which creates and analizes a log file on every user login (username, timestamp, IP, etc), searching for certain common patterns typical for multiaccounting and sending results back to GMs to take a closer look; * surveying of contacts established between characters in game with isk/assets transfers being the primary target - another automated process which must be necessarily put in correlation with the data provided in previous steps; * adding an application to client to silently work in the background and scan memory in search for multiple clients running in the same time; * communication with playerbase - education that multiaccounting is hurting everyone, and encouraging people to report suspected abuse;
Obviously, people behind LAN and families with several members playing the game should notify CCP so they are eventually put on some sort of exception list. Malicious proxy users remain problem though, but with all system and GM checks on place their presence should be minimalized in time.
I'll also repeat what I said before: it's not possible to completely prevent multiaccounting but it's possible to fight it simultaneously on several different levels so at the end you will find out that vast majority of players just don't dare to risk - especially after they hear about that poor sucker in their corp being perma banned for breaking the EULA.
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Kyusoath Orillian
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.12 08:04:00 -
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this is a pretty long troll thread. good job op
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.12 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 12/06/2010 08:15:04
Originally by: Fikreta
Originally by: Im Blue if you want the illusion of fairness its about time you either grow up or go play hellokitty
I'm not asking for 'fairness'. What's that? I only want this game to become what it falsely pretends to be: tough hardcore MMO for smart and patient people, providing consequences for their actions. Swarm of alts and multiboxing are making it no better than hellokitty so you better put away that silly elitist attitude.
It isn't about elitist attitude. It is seeing your demands for hardcore consequenses for players being plain silly. EVE does provide consequenses for characters, but there really isn't any reason to even try to provide consequenses for players for what one of their characters did in the game(bannable offences excluded). So what if you can get around some of the negatives or get slight advantage with alts over players with a single account? The same could be done with a friend in the exact same way. Using an alt is at times more convenient, but also makes you much less effective than actually having someone to help you. If you want hardcore consequenses for people that are really hard to avoid, you should stop playing video games and live in the real world.
There really isn't any point commenting on the methods, since there isn't a good reason to limit the use of alts anyway. It also has serious negative impact on some players gameplay and CCP's income. So basicly loads of effort with limited chance of success to achieve a goal that is against the interests of the company and parts of the playerbase
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Im Blue
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Posted - 2010.06.12 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Fikreta
[quote=Im Blue if you want the illusion of fairness its about time you either grow up or go play hellokitty
I'm not asking for 'fairness'. What's that? I only want this game to become what it falsely pretends to be: tough hardcore MMO for smart and patient people, providing consequences for their actions. Swarm of alts and multiboxing are making it no better than hellokitty so you better put away that silly elitist attitude.
LOL elitist, im just seeing this discussion for what it really is, you got ganked by someone and his/her falcon alt, you got upset and though ban all alts that will save me next time-quick to the forums.
i also fail to see how a alt makes eve no better than hello kitty? maybe if they all spouted rainbows and fluffy clouds, but as far as im concerned mine mostly fire guns.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.12 12:24:00 -
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Alts are here to stay, I myself have two main accounts that are always subbed and a couple of extras I subscribe on an "I need to" basis. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Disposeble Alt
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.12 13:10:00 -
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What is the use of this discussion?
Even if you would lock accounts to a dna profile to limit the account to a user and a user to one account it could be circumvented by acquiring a few dna samples of people that never ever will play eve themselves.
Why would you want ccp to put a rule into their policies that simply cannot be enforced?
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails I think that a large portion of CCPs income is derived from these "alts" of which you speak. There aren't any official figures available, but rough estimates could place the average number of accounts per unique person at least at two or more.
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CCP as a company possibly survives by the probably intended feature of almost requiring an alt to be able to play with any modicum of efficiency. You can play with only one account, but you will almost always be behind most of the others in terms of isk and skillpoints.
There are around 320000 active accounts on Eve, but I usually assume (and IIRC one of the quarterly reports also reported that the average player in eve had 2.5 accounts, or something like that) that there are only around 60000 people who actually play the game.
If that number is correct* then I think CCP as a company would not be profitable at its current size if most players were only to have one account.
*There are a number of things that makes me think that this number is correct: 1. The almost desperate push for continual new features (PI, DUST, WHs, Sov etc) in Eve to attempt to bring in new players. 2. The incredible hubris that CCP publicly puts out in Marketing and in the forums, i.e. always attempting to brush and of the thousands of broken issues and negative complaints under the carpet. 3. The fact that almost every patch is never improved or developed upon as CCP is too busy working on the next new feature set.
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V'hellu
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails I think that a large portion of CCPs income is derived from these "alts" of which you speak. There aren't any official figures available, but rough estimates could place the average number of accounts per unique person at least at two or more.
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CCP as a company possibly survives by the probably intended feature of almost requiring an alt to be able to play with any modicum of efficiency. You can play with only one account, but you will almost always be behind most of the others in terms of isk and skillpoints.
There are around 320000 active accounts on Eve, but I usually assume (and IIRC one of the quarterly reports also reported that the average player in eve had 2.5 accounts, or something like that) that there are only around 60000 people who actually play the game.
If that number is correct* then I think CCP as a company would not be profitable at its current size if most players were only to have one account.
*There are a number of things that makes me think that this number is correct: 1. The almost desperate push for continual new features (PI, DUST, WHs, Sov etc) in Eve to attempt to bring in new players. 2. The incredible hubris that CCP publicly puts out in Marketing and in the forums, i.e. always attempting to brush and of the thousands of broken issues and negative complaints under the carpet. 3. The fact that almost every patch is never improved or developed upon as CCP is too busy working on the next new feature set.
If that's true, then that says more about how the game needs to be fixed so it doesn't require alts than otherwise. Make it a bit more fast-paced (no waiting months for skills), and maybe more people would be willing to play, hence more cash for CCP? Just sayin'...
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Mashie Saldana I have sold/biomassed the alt's I had. Now I only have three mains left.
That and an appreciation of Peter F Hamilton
Oh yes!
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V'hellu
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:50:00 -
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If you notice, none of the CCP mods or devs have even bothered to reply to this topic.
Makes me wonder if they know that multiple accounts is unfair and wrong, but yet they are in fact doing it purely for the money...
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:07:00 -
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Simple fix for alts: Let us see all trades/transactions etc between characters. Then it will be possible to work out who is supplying who and act accordingly.
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JC Anderson
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.12 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: polly pritypants
we can tell who has rl mates :D
boxing
Oh dear lord.
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dexington
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Posted - 2010.06.12 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: V'hellu If you notice, none of the CCP mods or devs have even bothered to reply to this topic.
Makes me wonder if they know that multiple accounts is unfair and wrong, but yet they are in fact doing it purely for the money...
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Cura 666
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Posted - 2010.06.12 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat CCP is a business.
Anything they can do to increase subscriber count and generate revenue should be explored.
Why? Because the more revenue they generate equals more development on this game and any other games they want to deploy off the same IP, like Dust 514. [...]
So maybe they should just shut this **** up and develop another wow clone
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2010.06.13 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 13/06/2010 05:33:36 I would get bored playing only one account.. get 2x24" and try it for awhile, it gives the game entirely new dimensions and awesome multitaking practice and brain gymnastics ;) If you meant 3 chars with fast training to begin.. for scouts/cyno's and stuff thats awesome as is :D
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Amitious Turkey
Gallente TarNec manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.06.13 05:31:00 -
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I have one account. I can't keep track of more than one person, and this is it. My other alts on the same account I haven't played in at least a year.
For those who can handle multitasking, I'm impressed. More power to 'em. Seriously though, what's up with the whining? Haunting the forums since '03 BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST!
Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3
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Conmen
Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.13 08:14:00 -
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stop wining noob
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.06.13 17:40:00 -
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The official numbers are:
300 000 unique accounts, total accounts 660 000, so more than 2 accounts per person on average.
What they consider to be unique is something I wonder about, different credit card numbers?
I run 2 accounts, just because 1 is boring. I fall asleep playing just one, literally.
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Aunt margret
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tarasina The official numbers are:
I fall asleep playing just one, literally.
Why all those casual players in there millions vote with their feet and ignore eve all together.
Saying that though, makes sense ignoring that volotile market and sticking with the hardcore that arn't going anywhere, getting them into mass multiple accouting makes up the numbers.
Id imagine though that the numbers in terms of millions that more player friendly games are putting up at the momment do make them wonder 'what if'
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Java Hun
Rockey Mountain Lumber Co.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:38:00 -
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Just because you cant afford more than one account doesn't mean we should stop using our alts. I know i give around a grand a year to CCP for mine, Times that times all the people with just as many alts as me and there you go...no way they'd get rid of that type of pretty much passive income.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:38:00 -
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yea alts suck
unfortunately almost every mmorpg has them
people have been whining for over 8 years about buffbots in daoc, etc. other games alts are used as buffbots, mules, or to "solo" harder encounters to farm loot.
noone has been able to stop them
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dexington
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Posted - 2010.06.13 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kewso noone has been able to stop them
Few if any have tryed, the only players who care about alts is a small group of self proclaimed "hardcore" players. Money gets **** done, you can whine all you want on the forums aslong as the casual carebears are CCPs main source of income, you hardcore basement dwellers are not going to change a damn thing.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2010.06.13 19:47:00 -
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Everyone please remember to post constructively and don't troll or feed the trolls.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Throatslitter
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Posted - 2010.06.13 21:22:00 -
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To the OP: Whatever mate!
Ever tried playing in the Oceanic timezone with only one alt? The timezone where even the big alliances struggle to get more than 50 people in their fleet ... it is very, very boring.
An army of alts in some cases are the only effective way of accomplishing certain PVE\PVP goals.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.13 21:27:00 -
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I do not care for alts. Not because I cannot afford for them, but because it makes for a weak play style. Controlling two or more accounts requires a lot of attention and usually the person who cannot play with only one account often has an attention deficiency. It usually is a person who needs to have multiple accounts and lacks patience to get along with only one. For them things need to be happening fast or not at all.
I personally find it boring to play with players who use more than one account. They are more busy with managing their characters than with the people who they are playing with. It makes them stressed, nervous players who can only play EVE their way and one needs to adjust to their ways or they fail to fit in.
I do not want to take away what they feel as necessary even when I find it wrong to play an MMO in such a way. It is just a form of solo play, which requires to have multiple accounts. --
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.06.14 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 05:08:33 Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 05:01:59
Originally by: MaxxOmega Edited by: MaxxOmega on 11/06/2010 11:57:22
Originally by: Fikreta Very well put Ekrid, thank you.
It's good to know that there are people like you (and few others posting in this thread as well) who are capable to comprehend what is really going on here and to see sad state this game and its playerbase are turning into.
And the two of you are completely delusional. Ekrid has some of the stupidest post I've ever read and it's not surprising you would be in agreement... CCP wants to make money. EVERYTHING else is just fluff. Multiple accounts make CCP more money. And there would be absolutely no way whatsoever to stop this from happening without spending far more money then the issue is worth. It's never gonna happen. So live with it or quit...
Originally by: Im Blue i have 6 accounts, i have not one with negative sec nor do i have any currently with war dec's, i dont use them to avoid dec's either.
i use them all for different jobs. why? cos there is no way im waiting years to do it all on 1 guy, sod that. id guess most people with more than 1 account have simlar reasons, why wait years to have 1 person spec'd in everything when you can just train someone else to do it.
Well said, everyone else can **** off...
You can call my posts stupid all you like, just as you can call people who say the world is round is stupid because it infringes on your mentally deficient viewpoint, but that doesn't make them or me wrong .
Let me rephrase what you quoted.
Quote: I like to do everything in the game without relying on anyone, because i like playing an MMORPG solo mode despite the game being based on the idea that it works like reality, everyone contributes a part and noone can do everything alone, unlike OFFLINE RPGS. I am, in effect, completely defeating the purpose of paying extra per month to keep their servers running, when I could play an offline RPG free and just keep a chat client open and talk to my friends and use Omegle to talk to random strangers if I became so inclined. but thats cause Im an idiot who loves ****ing away money
FYQP~
BUt yeah, have fun with your delusions while calling everyone else delusional
Trolling and off topic comments removed. Zymurgist
Wow, what a loser. Even the mods think (know) your a troll...
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Fikreta
Originally by: BrundleMeth it's just a game ffs
Well remember that next time you call someone a carebear, taste his delicious tears and/or show him a way to ---> /random MMO game here/
Very well said. QFT.
You're touching on the hypocrisy that exists among some of the most prevalent "hardcore" players of the game. I'd dare say most of the idiots that spout "HTFU" and "cry some moar, carebear" bring their own risks down and close to zero with the use of alts.
QFT FTW
Any accusations of Trolling is used with the same judiciousness around here as accusations of people being terrorists to turn public opinion against them.
its silly scare tactics from children who would rather not argue the point because they dont want to lose so call it trolling to try to invalidate it that way. funny thing is that truth is truth no matter if only one person believes it, or even if noone beliees it. it still exists.
so keep claiming people are trolls just because you disagree with them guiys/mods, Im sure that makes you very mature and useful to the development of eve into a better game than it is right now. pat yourselves on the back for a job well done in crying "troll" to try to win arguments. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.06.18 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Fikreta
Originally by: BrundleMeth it's just a game ffs
Well remember that next time you call someone a carebear, taste his delicious tears and/or show him a way to ---> /random MMO game here/
Very well said. QFT.
You're touching on the hypocrisy that exists among some of the most prevalent "hardcore" players of the game. I'd dare say most of the idiots that spout "HTFU" and "cry some moar, carebear" bring their own risks down and close to zero with the use of alts.
QFT FTW
Any accusations of Trolling is used with the same judiciousness around here as accusations of people being terrorists to turn public opinion against them.
its silly scare tactics from children who would rather not argue the point because they dont want to lose so call it trolling to try to invalidate it that way. funny thing is that truth is truth no matter if only one person believes it, or even if noone beliees it. it still exists.
so keep claiming people are trolls just because you disagree with them guiys/mods, Im sure that makes you very mature and useful to the development of eve into a better game than it is right now. pat yourselves on the back for a job well done in crying "troll" to try to win arguments.
Um, I wasn't arguing. Personally I think your a clown not worth trying to prove anything to. But you do make me laugh, you take yourself quite seriously. You need to relax or go take a big dump or say something else profound lol...
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