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Babel Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:55:00 - [61] my tuppence : Don't join an established corp. But do form your own solo-corp, noobcorp peeps are shot at by default, having your own corp will minimise that [very slightly]. If you're thinking of NPC sov 0.0 ... maybe find a nice bolt-hole medical station with a couple of low level pirate faction agents to make easy isk. Then roam around chat to peeps, get killed, chat some more, see what happens :) . All generalisations are false - Discuss.
InspiringAndFirm CEOMan	Posted - 2010.06.14 23:02:00 - [62] Here's what to look for when joining a corp: DON'T JOIN A RENTER CORP. Either join an alliance at the top of the pile (Atlas, AAA, IT, Razor, ...) or join a "pet" alliance which doesn't pay to live in 0.0, which is the stupidest concept ever no matter what the creeps in some of those aforementioned alliances say ["hey, at least we're honest" -- pfff]. If you join a renter corp, just know that the taxes are going to be higher and there will be undue pressure on you to farm isk. Most good nullsec entities allow their members to do whatever they please (even to the extent of in practice completely ignoring absentees for "call to arms" operations). I hate to just come down on the side of one nullsec block, but you'd do far worse as a newb than to join any of the NC pet alliances (and actually -- and this is a salient point, it's possible to get into the "lead" alliances of the NC as a newb if you play your cards right). Later on you can join a super leet AWSSUM non-NC PVP alliance of awesome. I'd love to be proven wrong on this point though. Can anyone else point out nullsec entities which both 1. Accept new <5mil sp players 2. Have zero "required" activities and low taxes? I know what you mean about not wanting to be a cog bossed around in some nullsec megacorp. The truth is, if you choose your corp correctly the first time, you'll find that you can pretty much do whatever you want with moderate to high levels of support from your corpies.
Amarante Idama Gallente Drunken Armed Pilots G String University	Posted - 2010.06.15 01:47:00 - [63] Originally by: InspiringAndFirm CEOMan I'd love to be proven wrong on this point though. Can anyone else point out nullsec entities which both 1. Accept new <5mil sp players 2. Have zero "required" activities and low taxes? Mine? The tax is pretty insignificant. We don't have a minimum SP requirement. My character has about 550k or so last time I checked. No required activities that I know of. I'm not even required to come to 0.0 until I can fly a battlecruiser pretty well. It's a small corp, but so far it seems like a pretty good one for low SP characters looking to get into 0.0 life. The members are reasonably active and willing to answer questions and such. I've had a lot of them too. There's a ton of new stuff since last time I played.
Batolemaeus Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil	Posted - 2010.06.15 02:14:00 - [64] Originally by: InspiringAndFirm CEOMan I hate to just come down on the side of one nullsec block, but you'd do far worse as a newb than to join any of the NC pet alliances (and actually -- and this is a salient point, it's possible to get into the "lead" alliances of the NC as a newb if you play your cards right). Later on you can join a super leet AWSSUM non-NC PVP alliance of awesome. I'd love to be proven wrong on this point though. Can anyone else point out nullsec entities which both 1. Accept new <5mil sp players 2. Have zero "required" activities and low taxes? If I were to choose again between elitist douchebags in the south and all around pleasant people in the north, I know what I'd take. When I joined Morsus Mihi I barely had a few mil sp and only a bit of experience in fleet warfare. A year and three campaigns later things looked a tiny bit different. I wrote it earlier and will do it again: If you want to join some irrelevant **ty pet, prepare to have a thoroughly miserable experience unless farming all day is what you want. Location doesn't matter; the capable people in your corp will be syphoned away by your landlords no matter in which part of the galaxy you're farming. By the way, I'd stay as far away as possible from any corp or alliance that loudly proclaims to be all about elite spaceship pvp. They are usually littered with extremely annoying people with no cohesion beyond their killboard link. Originally by:** InspiringAndFirm CEOMan (and actually -- and this is a salient point, it's possible to get into the "lead" alliances of the NC as a newb if you play your cards right) Yes, and often even get a few free ships on top, plus pretty good training considering the much greater pool of active fcs shared between alliances and timezones compared to smaller entities.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.15 02:59:00 - [65] I've yet to find contact with any corp that considers itself large or established. I wouldn't know whom I should seek out if I wanted to join such a corp in the first place really. That being said, i've talked to some nice people and i'm still motoring around a few null gateways with my other characters to get a feel for what's going on. Thanks for the continued advice, I'm definitely learning a lot about the local politics, heh.
Barrak Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.06.15 03:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Hainnz With a Stealth Bomber you can do most Faction Warfare missions as well, if that's of any interest to you. You can make a tidy sum of isk selling tags and loyalty-point store items Can I please ask where I can learn a little more about the above quote? regards Barrak In this life (Eve) dying is easy, its living thats hard. Talent does not count, its what you do with it that does
Taedrin Gallente Xovoni Directorate	Posted - 2010.06.15 03:55:00 - [67] How about you go do your own thing in 0.0 for awhile, write a humorous blog about it, then revel in all the ISK that players throw at your feet? ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.15 05:11:00 - [68] Originally by: Taedrin How about you go do your own thing in 0.0 for awhile, write a humorous blog about it, then revel in all the ISK that players throw at your feet? I read the 0.0 Experiment blog (and admit it was inspirational), but as i mentioned in the OP, i'm not much for just roaming about in a shuttle and all that. I may end up posting here (or in a new thread, dependin on how much I have to say) about my experiences once im out there. If you (or anyone else) has some interest in read a newb's point of view on null sec i'd be glad to post some thoughts as they come to me.
Zofe Stormcaller Shadow Company Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.06.15 14:21:00 - [69] You could go down to NPC Stain. There are BC spawns that you should be able to take out in frigates if you are careful. You can also do much of the aforementioned ninja salvaging as well as running level 1 sansha missions for isk and LP. Some areas are quite busy but you can have fun out there. There are a good supply of stations out there that can give you access to repairs, manufacturing and cloning. RPS-OK also has a bit of a market thanks to being close to where my alliance lives, just be warned that if we see you we will try to shoot at you, as will the other people that live there. If you don't want us to shoot at you, then you can always join us. If you go to the recruitment forum they will give you the skinny on that but it comes down to wanting to show up to fights instead of carebearing all the time. A drake is a good ship for making isk ratting. They are tough enough to take it and do enough damage to actually kill BS, albeit slowly. Caldari, Minmatar and Amarr work against Blood Raiders and Sansha because you can shoot EM/therm on all of those. Gallente are a bit weak but you can sit there pewing at them in a dominix with curators, but it isn't as quick. Drakes can also be very good for PVP as long as you fit them totally differently to PVE. Fleet fights for newbies consists of getting points on people in T1 ships and avoiding being eaten by large swarms of warrior IIs long enough for the rest of the fleet to show up. From there you can go T2 frigates and work up. No matter what sort of fleet is being run people always need frigates and 'ceptors as scouts and pointing enemies so even if you can't fly a fully tech 2 BC in an operation you can still be the ship that makes the difference between winning and losing a fight.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.15 16:35:00 - [70] Originally by: Zofe Stormcaller You could go down to NPC Stain. I actually visited Stain the other night on a mission of exploration (for myself ofc) and found it to be rather lacking compared to the other NPC null areas i'd visited (granted, my list is still incomplete, there's lot of ground to cover and i get sent back to the clone bay a lot, even in a shuttle). Still waiting to hear back from a lot of corps whom i've got in touch with as far as where they are located and what they do on a regular basis.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.15 22:13:00 - [71] Edited by: Geia Roja on 15/06/2010 22:13:34 Seems my acquaintices in the north were not taking kindly to my shuttle scouting today. >D Thanks for a good time those of you who chased me 5+ jumps, I was sweating bullets. In other news, various corps of the south have extended me an olive branch and made offers of pie and cookies upon arrival. Uncetarin wether or not this is also a trap, but it should be a fun adventure to go say hi. =) Unfortunately, I've had to make 100 jumps in the last few days, so i'm going to put off further visitation to the western null bits until I get a jump clone (workin on it) that will cut down on the travel time out. Closing in on my last week of training before the big move. =) Thanks again to all the contributors here, lot's of good info.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.15 22:18:00 - [72] Originally by: Barrak Originally by: Hainnz With a Stealth Bomber you can do most Faction Warfare missions as well, if that's of any interest to you. You can make a tidy sum of isk selling tags and loyalty-point store items Can I please ask where I can learn a little more about the above quote? regards Barrak Warfare and Tactic's is where the FW geeks hang out. There are quite a few threads about it so do an eve search first. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.17 00:50:00 - [73] Edited by: Geia Roja on 17/06/2010 00:53:30 Still no luck in getting in contact with most of the corps I talked to initially (perhaps they decided against taking on the burden of a newb, shrug). In better news, I made it out to have a look at some southern space yesterday and found that I was literally minutes behind a rather large combat group of sorts. I managed to gather up several wrecks worth of loot before i noticed local become very crowded (at which point I beat a hasty retreat to the nearest NPC station 2 jumps away). When I finally pulled back to empire space today I hocked the goods for a little isk (mostly junk, but there were some t2 drones in the pile). I can definitely see where being a ninja salvager would be lucrative out here. I plan to run a similar rout tomorrow with a scanner probe fit frigate and see what I can find. =) I now have about half a dozen perspective areas that I'm considering to begin my life in null should the corp thing fall through. Some of the obvious war-zones actually seem to have good (largely empty with some NPC stations) territory if I can pass through a bottleneck or two.
CAPSLOCKBROKE Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.17 02:01:00 - [74] Go to Providence 0.0 space. It is NOT NPC controlled, but rather PLAYER controlled, and is NOT an automatic death zone to non-alliance mates. It runs under NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot), which means unless you are hated by the alliance that owns it (which as a new player you are not hated), you are free to come and go. It's in the South - South East of the EVE universe. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAPSLOCK, BECAUSE SOMETIMES REGULAR FONT JUST, ISN'T, GOOD ENOUGH.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.17 02:57:00 - [75] Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE Go to Providence 0.0 space. It is NOT NPC controlled, but rather PLAYER controlled, and is NOT an automatic death zone to non-alliance mates. It runs under NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot), which means unless you are hated by the alliance that owns it (which as a new player you are not hated), you are free to come and go. It's in the South - South East of the EVE universe. Thanks for the tip, i'll have to give it a look.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.06.17 03:25:00 - [76] Why do people have to "live" somewhere? Space is so wonderfully vast and full of opportunities, with changing situations between good and bad to adapt to. Holing up in some 0.0 cluster to do the same things one does in high sec does not seem that productive. And I have seen that there are a lot of 0.0 carebears. They are more hooked on ISK per hour than a high-sec carebear with the difference being that when you show up, they will be going Jan Brady on you. It's creepy. Low sec pirates and gankers at least are out for some PVP but in 0.0, they really act like they have to kill you or their mother will die or something. I have found that it's possible to use worm holes to bypass the lowsec gank pipelines and blob fests, and hit radar/grav/mag sites, then return to high sec with the loot. You have to be patient and very careful and have a link to Babelfish to translate all those insults hurled at you by Russians (your presence will make their macros dock/SS up, you see). Some regions will have these Jan Bradys hunting you down at every step and others are so deserted you can hit the sites or rat for a week without seeing another soul. The patience you will need is finding your way in, and then finding your way back. It can take 20 minutes to get a "wormhole bridge" from high to 0.0, or it could take weeks. If you are not hooked on ISK per hour and just like the play the game in an unpredictable way, you have more time than any hunter. You have to be self-sufficient too, not even use stations in NPC regions (unless you like Russians camping outside some station you docked at for hours on end but they, at least, will be more angry than you are). Just my worthless .02 fiat note.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.17 04:18:00 - [77] Edited by: Geia Roja on 17/06/2010 04:22:22 Edited by: Geia Roja on 17/06/2010 04:21:15 Edited by: Geia Roja on 17/06/2010 04:20:22 I'm not really hooked on isk, nor do I realy have an approach to 0.0. I'm going there just.. to see what's out there (or here, I guess I should say, since i'm presently logged off in null space) and what I can do out here and if I can sustain myself or if i'll be thrown back into empire penniless (either way it'll be exciting). I've heard the wormhole = safe null arguments and I don't think you're wrong, but i'm not experienced with a scanner, and thus far i've met a few of nice people in regular old 0.0 space (npc and player alike). I hear a lot of really opinionated stuff about 0.0 here and elsewhere, I guess i'll find out for myself in the coming weeks just how much of it is true. I can't say what exactly i'll be doing, other than trying to subsist on minimal income, and replace the inevitable ship/pod losses I take in my journey, but that doesn't bother me much. By most estimates i'm still a year or more of training from being a competetive pilot at anything but suicidally jamming for a bigger fleet, so a few months roaming null sec seems like good practice for when I am ready to join the big boys and girls. I'm perfectly happy to scoot around in a frigate doing this and that with the occasional skirmish battle. =) PS. Much love to the kind player who've given me advice in my travels so far. <3
Aristeia Cersei	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:27:00 - [78] Edited by: Aristeia Cersei on 17/06/2010 06:30:26 Do yourself a favor and join Estel Ardar corp and get your self a few free jump clones. This way you can set a clone or two in various places in null sec and still have a clone or two back in high sec. This way if you are having problems with station campers or roamers that are too much for you to deal with you can clone jump to another area. You can also clone jump back to high sec to get those skill books you will need from time to time. edit.. btw you can also run level 1 & 2 missions for the various pirate factions out in null to make some ISK. wouldn't take a lot of skills to be able to do them.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:29:00 - [79] Originally by: Aristeia Cersei Edited by: Aristeia Cersei on 17/06/2010 06:30:26 Do yourself a favor and join Estel Ardar corp and get your self a few free jump clones. This way you can set a clone or two in various places in null sec and still have a clone or two back in high sec. This way if you are having problems with station campers or roamers that are too much for you to deal with you can clone jump to another area. You can also clone jump back to high sec to get those skill books you will need from time to time. edit.. btw you can also run level 1 & 2 missions for the various pirate factions out in null to make some ISK. wouldn't take a lot of skills to be able to do them. I had not been made aware of the service, though it sounds like something I can't afford, and presently i'm skilled enough for only 1 jump clone (though im still working on the rep required to place one, I guess that's where the corp comes in). I don't think i'll need more than 1-2 clones for what i'll be doing anyhow. I haven't got the isk to plant ships all over New Eden.
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:50:00 - [80] Originally by: Geia Roja I had not been made aware of the service, though it sounds like something I can't afford, and presently i'm skilled enough for only 1 jump clone (though im still working on the rep required to place one, I guess that's where the corp comes in). I don't think i'll need more than 1-2 clones for what i'll be doing anyhow. I haven't got the isk to plant ships all over New Eden. You don't need ships all over. Just think about it this way... if you had to start over, what is the bare minimum you would be comfortable with? For me, I have a jump clone with a probe ship and 2 site running ships set in a spare location. If for some reason I ever lose every other asset, I know I could comfortable start over with just those basic supplies and slowly work my way back up to the wallet level and being able to do the things I want within a decent amount of time. Still, as a newer player, you may be content with just a jump clone and a rookie ship to start over with.
Taross Caldari People with Guns Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.06.17 19:29:00 - [81] Edited by: Taross on 17/06/2010 19:30:12 Originally by: Geia Roja I had not been made aware of the service, though it sounds like something I can't afford, and presently i'm skilled enough for only 1 jump clone (though im still working on the rep required to place one, I guess that's where the corp comes in). I don't think i'll need more than 1-2 clones for what i'll be doing anyhow. I haven't got the isk to plant ships all over New Eden. It's a FREE service, so I'm pretty sure you can afford it... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=939710 EDIT: If you're still looking for a corp this weekend, and you decide you like the south, talk to me ingame, I;ll know by then if I could possibly help you out. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.17 23:25:00 - [82] Edited by: Geia Roja on 18/06/2010 00:22:59 Well I suppose i'll eat my words. =p I'll get right on that jump clone thing. I plan to install it at my low-sec base, though it might be a better idea to have it at a hub of some kind, or better yet, an academy that sells skillbooks.. hmm. Will have to think about that tonight. Also, can anyone help me calculate the average cost of a t1 cruiser with basic fittings? I'm trying to use market data, but with all my characters roaming around null space i'm having trouble getting a new fresh sample. Just trying to figure out at what point I can move up from flying frigates without flying more than I can afford to loose. I've made it my goal to have two fitted ships layed away at my station as well as a shuttle for getting between my stations, but im not sure about cruiser pricing as I've flown mostly frigates and destroyers.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.18 05:38:00 - [83] Originally by: Geia Roja Rickroll links already? eve online is one big coding rickroll already. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:45:00 - [84] Currently moving south again. Sorry to my friends and potential corp mates in the north, but there is absolutely no way in for me at present. I may come pay you a visit when I have a cloak ship that can make it, but I checked 4 passages in last night and they were all a complete mess of bubbles and very NBSI-minded ships .
Tsukiko Ishida Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:51:00 - [85] It is good to speak with you again, my friend. Quote: Also, can anyone help me calculate the average cost of a t1 cruiser with basic fittings? A typical cost of a t1 cruiser with basic fittings and insurance will run anywhere from 3-7 million ISK, depending upon the tier of cruiser. For a good idea of prices, always refer to this site: http://www.eve-metrics.com It's a collection of price/market data uploaded, submitted and maintained by thousands of players, like myself, to provide market data for people who may be similar situations to your own. I encourage you to use it, even if it isn't always up to the minute accurate, for painless rough price estimates on anything you may have in the future.
Prein Irsh Caldari New Eclipse Quarantine Zone	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:17:00 - [86] >a. How should a newb start establishing herself in 0.0 in terms of isk. >establishing herself >herself >her implying you're a girl
Lokta'vian	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:40:00 - [87] Originally by: Prein Irsh >a. How should a newb start establishing herself in 0.0 in terms of isk. >establishing herself >herself >her implying you're a girl /b/ is that way ---> > to give green text doesn't work here. Move along.
ROXGenghis	Posted - 2010.06.18 17:14:00 - [88] Lots of good and bad advice in this thread. I've seen people do exactly what you're planning with plenty of success and I think it's a good idea. Here's my 2 cents: Definitely do NPC 0.0 because you'll be less chased by hostils, able to dock up, the rats are better, you'll get more officer spawns, and you'll have access to pirate corp agents (Sansha blueprints, anyone?). What did you find lacking in Stain? That's actually primo space. Don't feel you have to join a corp ASAP. This is of course predicated on you being in NPC 0.0. There's something to be said for learning the ropes yourself, the hard way, without relying on crutches such as intel channels. In NPC space you can make friends of other independents or small corps, and you should. Talk to everyone, trust nobody more than necessary. Don't make your initial trip out there in a cruiser. A frigate is much easier to travel in without getting popped. I'd hate to see all your skill books lost before you even get started. Buy your cruiser once you're out there. But remember that your ability to travel safely should be your first priority, and this means frigate, mwd, and cloak. Keep your med clone nearby. Some NPC 0.0 stations have medical facilities so this is possible. That way you won't get podded back to empire. By the way, forget about implants for a while since you'll probably lose them. You may not need a "home," but setting up "camps" for a few days or weeks is a good idea from which to base your operations. A fully nomadic lifestyle is very difficult because you'll eventually need a stable of ships: travel/salvage frig, ratting cruiser/BC, miner(?), hauler. You can make money by ninja salvaging, ratting vs. frigs (while the BS rats can't hit you due to traversal), mining, and running pirate missions. Get basic probing skills and learn to use your directional scanner efficiently (use all three aspects: direction, scan angle, range). Probing will find you wormholes to highsec so you can restock on items that are scarce in 0.0. The directional scanner will just plain save your life. Learn avoidance techniques. Avoid bubbles by bouncing off of celestials that aren't aligned with a gate. Make tactical bookmarks 200+ km off of nearby gates so you can check them for hostiles and bubbles before landing on them. Make safespots in every system: you can just create a midsafe every time you warp between 2 gates. Learn how to "cap out" (drain your capacitor) so you can warp within range of a gate to scan it without warping all the way to it and getting caught in a bubble.
Geia Roja Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.18 18:45:00 - [89] Edited by: Geia Roja on 18/06/2010 18:48:44 I haven't had many issues moving into bubbles (aside from those around a gate which I jumped to), but i've been given the impression cloaking will help me with that problem. That being said, cloaking isn't cheap relative to my present income, so i'm looking for a few systems that aren't swamped in that style of bubble camp until I can afford to run back to empire and stock up on some cloaking devices and/or a covert ship. Thus far the south-western regions have been the least camped, so my preliminary conclusion is that's my best bet. My best attempts to reach other "NRDS" zones have met with failure as they all seem to border more dagerous turf (either that or i've just yet to find a good way in). I've spoken with a few people directly about my troubles, but census opinion has been "get a cov' ops ship" or something to that effect. Not that it isn't a goal of mine, and not too far off, but i'm not going to shelf my operation another 3-4 days for a ship that I probably can't afford to loose. While my scouting efforts are still relatively incomplete, i've made hundreds (if not a thousand) of jumps in the last week or so, and i'm a little weary of the process. I will maintain schedule and leave for Syndicate sometime this weekend. I have decided to remain without a corp for the forseeable future, be that a good or bad idea aswell. I've spoken with very nice people in a lot of places, but I do not want to taint the experience of moving into lawless space by adding a cushy buffer from a corp. So happy hunting to all of you pilots in my area. I'll be seeing your soon. =)
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.06.18 19:02:00 - [90] Originally by: Geia Roja Thus far the south-western regions have been the least camped, so my preliminary conclusion is that's my best bet. ...... I will maintain schedule and leave for Syndicate sometime this weekend. WAT

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