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Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
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Posted - 2012.07.17 07:49:00 -
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I don't know how many of you have noticed containers anchored near gates, particularly in Amarr, advertizing Xianity.
I don't have a problem with freedom of religion but I do have a problem when it is brought into my game and subliminally forced down my throat.
This game needs to be kept secular so that we are able to wind down after our days toil and relax , without fanatics bringing their hang ups into our domain.
I will petition a complaint to CCP before we see a million containers anchored in our free space, advertizing "Daves plumbing supplies" and the like.
The last thing I want is an approach to each system looking like the yellow pages.
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Shameless Avenger
259
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Posted - 2012.07.17 07:55:00 -
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I have no idea what Xianity is. But if it is some kind of real life religious belief, I agree that it should be kept out of game. If I see something of the sorts I will petition it too.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
35
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Posted - 2012.07.17 07:57:00 -
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It's Christianity, but just saying the word sticks in my throat. So I, along with many others abreviate it. |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
59
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Posted - 2012.07.17 07:58:00 -
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Those bible guys clearly haven't seen the EvE intro where evolution clearly is the reason for the existence of all 4 races in EvE 
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2012.07.17 07:58:00 -
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Dardoign wrote:It's Christianity, but just saying the word sticks in my throat. So I, along with many others abreviate it.
Got it. And agreed, it should be kept out of game.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2008
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Posted - 2012.07.17 07:59:00 -
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Dardoign wrote:It's Christianity, but just saying the word sticks in my throat. So I, along with many others abreviate it.
0/10
Also, sane atheists do what we want religious people to do - keep their opinions to themselves.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Fiona Tsero
the Forward Initiative
Mildly Sober
4
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:01:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Dardoign wrote:It's Christianity, but just saying the word sticks in my throat. So I, along with many others abreviate it. 0/10 Also, sane atheists do what we want religious people to do - keep their opinions to themselves.
Indeed.
People who ask for tolerance seem to forget that it works both ways. |
Shameless Avenger
259
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:04:00 -
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LOL... trolls are hungry this morning.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Kehro Urgus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:06:00 -
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Can you provide empirical evidence that proves Jesus Christ is not the son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
I found a dead cat on the side of the road so I -átook it home and put some honey on it and cooked it and then I ate it. Is that bad? do do do dooo... GÖ¬ GÖ½
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Sarah Atkinson
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:11:00 -
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He wasn't advertising the fact that he's an athiest. In fact he didn't say anything along those lines, just that he, like many others, doesn't want this sort of thing forced down his throat. I agree.
Yes, it does work both ways, so let everyone believe what they believe and keep it out of the game. |
Shameless Avenger
259
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:13:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Can you provide empirical evidence that proves Jesus Christ is not the son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
...and this is where the trolls got successful.
- Keeping real life stuff out of game, OK. Religion, politics, etc... it messes up the "immersion".
- Actual discussion of such religions/politics/etc --> Shady
- Being flat out anti-religion, prohibited by the EULA:
"You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies"
If you want the cans away for messing up immersion with RL stuff... OK. If you want the cans gone because they advertize xyz religion... I'm out.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
88
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:14:00 -
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Fiona Tsero wrote:People who ask for tolerance seem to forget that it works both ways.
Why do you think an atheist has to be tolerant? I'm an atheist and I would ban and persecute all religions and try to eradicate this stupidity once and for all if I was a dictator with the power to do so :)
A preference for reason has little to do with tolerance for unreason and insane beliefs.
The Invulnerability Sphere:Make mining/industrial vessels defendable, better fights for everyone! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2008
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:18:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Fiona Tsero wrote:People who ask for tolerance seem to forget that it works both ways. Why do you think an atheist has to be tolerant? I'm an atheist and I would ban and persecute all religions and try to eradicate this stupidity once and for all if I was a dictator with the power to do so :) A preference for reason has little to do with tolerance for unreason and insane beliefs.
You don't realize that you're just as wrong here as the religions that do the same to atheists, do you?
They're opinions. I hold the opinion that pretty much every religion is a scam that grew beyond its creator, or a feel-good story to help simple minded people fall asleep at night. But you know what? I don't throw that in people's faces. Live and let live.
If you want to make the world a better place, you have to learn to get along - not try to make everyone agree with you. Getting offended by something like this is pointless and just plain stupid. It accomplishes nothing.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
35
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:22:00 -
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I'm not an atheist and will not be drawn into a theological argument.
My point is; advertising of any description that is not Eve related has no place withinour universe.
Viewing containers labled "JESUS SAVES" does not make me wonder "Which bank?" It just makes me cringe.
It's the thin end of the wedge. If this is allowed then where does advertising stop?
Do you really want to be scrolling down 1000 containers in your overview just to find the gate you need to jump through or the asteroid you want to mine? |
Nirnias Stirrum
Insidious Design
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:22:00 -
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In before the lock for discussing religion.
also
ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER! |
Shameless Avenger
259
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:23:00 -
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From this page we get rules #3 & #9:
Rule #3:
"You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies"
Rule #9:
"You may not advertise, employ, market, or promote any form of solicitation GÇô including pyramid schemes and chain letters GÇô in the EVE Online game world or on the website."
So you can by anti can because it's an Christian can. That part is clear. However, is the can a "form of solicitation"? Dunno... I'll let the internet lawyers battle this one out.
Some screen-shoots of said cans might me helpful (if allowed).
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2008
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:24:00 -
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Dardoign wrote:I'm not an atheist and will not be drawn into a theological argument.
My point is; advertising of any description that is not Eve related has no place withinour universe.
Viewing containers labled "JESUS SAVES" does not make me wonder "Which bank?" It just makes me cringe.
It's the thin end of the wedge. If this is allowed then where does advertising stop?
Do you really want to be scrolling down 1000 containers in your overview just to find the gate you need to jump through or the asteroid you want to mine?
Most people turned off containers on their overview a looooooooong time ago. You only need it on a tab specifically for looting.
It still hurts to look at other people's overviews in screenshots sometimes.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2009
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:27:00 -
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Holy **** people are taking this so seriously.
Laugh at the cans and move on. Personally I'd just shoot them for giggles, but I don't live in babyspace.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
88
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:28:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:If you want to make the world a better place, you have to learn to get along - not try to make everyone agree with you. Getting offended by something like this is pointless and just plain stupid. It accomplishes nothing.
Oh please... that's what I may do in real life. EVE is about trolling and killing and annoying everyone who isn't part of your pack :)
The Invulnerability Sphere:Make mining/industrial vessels defendable, better fights for everyone! |
Shameless Avenger
259
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:30:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Holy **** people are taking this so seriously.
Laugh at the cans and move on. Personally I'd just shoot them for giggles, but I don't live in babyspace.
Can't shoot'em in baby space... maybe, anchor a "maybe there's no God" can right next to xtian one? :D
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:30:00 -
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The correct thing to do would be to petition it. I can't think of any reason you'd make a thread about it, especially with a title like this one unless you wanted to purposefully create a torrent of e-drama. |
Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:37:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:In before the lock for discussing religion.
This is not a topic discussing religion, merits or demerits thereof.
The toipic is about overt advertising.
If religion is out of bounds in the forum, then surely and moreso, it is out of bounds within the game.
I was more offended by the fact that players would be allowed to bring into EvE their outside hangup, than the actual message itself.
How many of you are sick and tired of the forced advertising that you have to suffer before you can watch a youtube vid?
We pay for eve, and if containers are allowed to be used for non Eve related advertising then where will it end?
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Bunolagus
NIPTO
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:37:00 -
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What is Eve coming to? The next thing you know there will be some kind of religious extremism worked into the backstory. What is next slavery and emancipation? |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:38:00 -
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But CCP made the Amarr religious zealots. So where else do you role play religious zealots other than Amarr space?
This is EVE and it is the nature of the Amarr. I would suggest to the op fly in galentee space then where they have orgies daily with their drugs! |
Shameless Avenger
259
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:40:00 -
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Dardoign wrote:...
I was more offended by ...
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Unofficial Rule #1 about these forums. Once you show tears on a thread, trolls will come to harvest them and the purpose of the thread will go to hell.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
35
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:42:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote:The correct thing to do would be to petition it. I can't think of any reason you'd make a thread about it, especially with a title like this one unless you wanted to purposefully create a torrent of e-drama.
The threat of a petition was a last resort. I filed petitions before and in reality the petition function is only there to keep someone in a job who would otherwise be on the dole. Rather like the compulsory Australian superannuation scheme.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:43:00 -
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In B4 - I didn't like Amarr space anyways.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
88
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:43:00 -
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Actually it's clever targeted advertising. Only weak-minded, incapable players misconfigure their overview in such a way that they see containers when they are not salvaging wrecks. So only those will see the religious advertising and they are probably the people most susceptible to it. One has to acknowledge, those rabble-rousers know their business 
The Invulnerability Sphere:Make mining/industrial vessels defendable, better fights for everyone! |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
431
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:45:00 -
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You could put up Pro-Atheism cans, Pro-Christianity cans, Pro-Muslim cans, or Pro-Jewish cans (though, they're not exactly known for their evangelical streak). I think the solicitation prohibition is mostly about offline commerce, but who knows.
Freedom of Speech is hard. It requires you to listen to someone standing behind a pulpit and shouting things ideas that you hate more than anything else in the world and admit that he has every right to say that. Worse, believing in free speech requires you to support his right to say that which offends you.
When someone is standing behind that pulpit, the natural reaction is to try to get him to stop talking, but that's not what free speech is about. The appropriate response is to put up your own pulpit. Put up your own pulpit and shout your views twice as loud, and convince the gathering throng that you're right.
Now, CCP has decided that they don't want the discussion to go negative on certain topics, and since EVE is their baby and they haven't codified free speech anywhere, it's their right to do that. But, they haven't banned positive discussions. Feel free to be evangelical for any religion you choose, or no religion at all. You know what an attack looks like, you know what hate speech looks like. It's an ugly world, and we've all seen it. Avoid attacks and hate speech and you should be fine.
Free Speech is my Religion.
-RubyPorto
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4327
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:48:00 -
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Colonel Xaven wrote:Those bible guys clearly haven't seen the EvE intro where evolution clearly is the reason for the existence of all 4 races in EvE
Most christians believe in evolution.
Is the OP sure that these "adverts" aren't referring to the in-game Amarr religion?
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