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FloppieTheBanjoClown
New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:55:00 -
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Meh. Don't like it, ignore it. Or else don't complain when Christians criticize something you say or do.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:19:00 -
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A religious friend of mine suggested this video. May you all be enlightened.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:26:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:
Considering much of the US was formed by a religious group,...
That is what religious followers would have you believe. It isn't true in the least. The founding fathers of the US didn't want religion in any shape or form to be involved with the government - for fear that they would encounter the same issues England had with the Church of England, or the French had with the Pope in Rome, or any number of countries that allowed relgions to dictate laws. Sorry, the US was not founded on so called "Judeo" Christianity - at all.
Whether the U.S. was founded by Christians, or upon Christian ideals, or the constitution written from divine inspiration (I've actually heard this claimed), it doesn't matter. One of the basic tenets of the nation is that the government does not impose religious practice upon its people.
I just ask people to look at it this way: if it weren't YOUR religion, would you still be okay with it? Want prayer in school? Do you still want it when it looks like this? You want creationism taught in schools? Let's tell them about how a water beetle drew the ground up out of the sea and a buzzard's drooping wings carved out the mountains and valleys while the mud was still soft. After all, it's just another theory!
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:48:00 -
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Fiona Tsero wrote:As for 'antievolutionists', I suppose I would be one, but not because the Bible tells me so. I have yet to see enough evidence of trans-species evolution...However, there is enough evidence to support the idea that change over time does happen within populations of single species.
Either evolution happens, or God has perpetrated a MASSIVE hoax on us by creating a consistently-layered fossil record all over the world that has convinced thousands upon thousands of people who actually STUDY these things that evolution has been going on for billions of years.
So which is it? Evolution, or God the Deceiver?
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:54:00 -
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Fiona Tsero wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:
Trans-species evolution? I'm actually afraid to ask.
I think he means a significant enough change to allow for the formation of a new species, likely referring to more complex organisms that bacteria. just a guess. Or any one species going to another species at all.
Did you know there are some breeds of dogs which cannot produce viable offspring when mated? Beagles and Irish Setters, for example, almost never produce puppies at all. As one of the more common definitions of species involves the ability to reproduce, it seems we're looking at the beginning of a divergence in the species. It's quite possible that the artificial selection placed upon dogs has driven their evolution fast enough that we can actually document the start of an divergence in the past few hundred years.
Evolution generally takes millenia. We only came up with the idea less than 200 years ago. Just what are you expecting? A chimp to have a human baby? That's not how it works.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:05:00 -
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Ezra Tair wrote:The only issue I see is evolution being propped up as fact when the fossil record does not support the theory behind it. If evolution was the result of millions of minor changes over a long stretch of time. You would expect to see millions of variations of humans and animals in the fossil record. Currently we have only found steps that require a leap of faith to connect as related to one another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
Basically, species experience long periods of stability with few apparent changes. Mate selection tyipcally favors same-ness, so most radical changes would be bred out as undesirable. Evolutionary change is driven by adaptation. Adaptation isn't necessary if you're well-suited for your environment. Sharks, for example, haven't had significant changes in hundreds of millions of years. Change happens fast because it MUST happen fast. (and by fast, I mean on the order of tens or hundreds of thousands of years, compared to potentially millions of years of "stasis")
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:09:00 -
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Ezra Tair wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Fiona Tsero wrote:As for 'antievolutionists', I suppose I would be one, but not because the Bible tells me so. I have yet to see enough evidence of trans-species evolution...However, there is enough evidence to support the idea that change over time does happen within populations of single species. Either evolution happens, or God has perpetrated a MASSIVE hoax on us by creating a consistently-layered fossil record all over the world that has convinced thousands upon thousands of people who actually STUDY these things that evolution has been going on for billions of years. So which is it? Evolution, or God the Deceiver? Been awhile since I've seen the either/or fallacy. Its neither.
Right. So, what's your explanation of the fossil record, then? Because there's a rather massive scientific consensus on the subject, with almost no dissent except from religious people who don't like that it conflicts with their texts. If the fossils aren't legitimate nor a plant by a deceitful god, what are they?
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