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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2010.06.15 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 14:43:02
After seeing a lot of PI infrastructures, it's no wonder why most people are havig a hard time with it.
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
Stop blaming CCP for a lack of imagination. PI is passive. Set it up CORRECTLY - then do something else the make money actively.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 14:44:00 -
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We can see yours then?
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2010.06.15 14:47:00 -
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Hells NO LOL
THIS UNIVERSE IS MINE!!!
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Braskyte
StarShard Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.15 14:57:00 -
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Yes, people fail at creating complexes on planets.
You mean 1 week right and 20 mil in 1 week is pretty low, I get more by stealing loot from wrecks in Jita in couple of hours (when I'm bored), thats like 1-2 lvl4 missions. Compared to my main income trading, PI gives too little so far, so I'm stockpiling. Later, when npc orders are removed, prices adjust, I'm gonna react accordingly - keep it running, shift to all advanced factories or scrap PI.
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Libin Herobi
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Posted - 2010.06.15 14:58:00 -
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20 mil in less than 2 weeks!!!
Where are the "Manager of the Month" badges?
BTW, how's your ISK/click ratio?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:03:00 -
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Stop blaming CCP for a lack of imagination. PI is passive. Set it up CORRECTLY - then do something else the make money actively.
This is the core of the problem. It is just a production line you set up and that is it. Even that little it offers is reported to suffer from issues and exploits, but that is something that happens with new features. The initial profit issues with certain products will go away, but some people will never make a decent profit, since that would require thinking and planning.
Current implementation is just a giant waste of the potential of planets. CCP might improve and expand it with more interesting and engaging gameplay, but they might just do some bug fixing, tweaking and adding basic interaction between players and forget about it for years. This doesn't make the feature bad, but you can color me unimpressed.
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 14:43:02
After seeing a lot of PI infrastructures, it's no wonder why most people are havig a hard time with it.
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
Stop blaming CCP for a lack of imagination. PI is passive. Set it up CORRECTLY - then do something else the make money actively.
Are you kidding me? 20 mill IN 2 WEEKS!!!? on 4 planets! wow thats like amazing! I can make 20 mill in less than 30mins ratting!! Seriously think before you post
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:14:00 -
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you can make 20mil from a single Sleeper BS
I actually think that's much easier than managing the production chain of 4 planets
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Musical Fist
Gallente
The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:18:00 -
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I get more ISK just by replying to this thread
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 15/06/2010 15:26:48
I can make 20 million in 2 days in mining - on my own without Orca support.
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 15:32:12
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 14:43:02
After seeing a lot of PI infrastructures, it's no wonder why most people are havig a hard time with it.
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
Stop blaming CCP for a lack of imagination. PI is passive. Set it up CORRECTLY - then do something else the make money actively.
Are you kidding me? 20 mill IN 2 WEEKS!!!? on 4 planets! wow thats like amazing! I can make 20 mill in less than 30mins ratting!! Seriously think before you post
You should take your own advise. I was not saying PI is a replacement for ratting or other methods of wealth gain. Its a supplement.
Remember that is passive income for the most part. Id rather make 20mil doing nothing PLUS 100mil ratting, than just 100mil ratting.
So I am making 20% more that you while working the same - I DO get manager of the month actually. You are fired.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 15/06/2010 15:43:37
Originally by: Spaceman Jack
You should take your own advise. I was not saying PI is a replacement for ratting or other methods of wealth gain. Its a supplement.
Remember that is passive income for the most part. Id rather make 20mil doing nothing PLUS 100mil ratting, than just 100mil ratting.
So I am making 20% more that you while working the same - I DO get manager of the month actually. You are fired.
As you have to check your planets to reset all extractors, this regular act is a loss of time that you would use to win the same amount of money by ratting. Including warp time, you don't make 20% more that the previous ratter.
Passive ? PI ? Not totally...
Ratters win more.
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Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:57:00 -
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There's only so many times you can run missions before you want to eject and see if you can do it in a pod.
PI like moon harvesting and plexing provides a great change of scenery for the players, as well as makes players log in each day ensuring they will remain playing the game longer and extend their game time at a fear of losing their extractor investments.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 16:09:00 -
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Setting up and optimizing your PI network: decent fun.
Maintaining your optimized PI network: BORING!
Mindless clicks to restart survey and extraction.
Mindless clicking of export and import buttons.
Mindless hauling.
Once properly setup, the PI has very few interesting decisions remaining. Just a lot of mindless RSI inducing clicking. The only real advantage is that you can click your resurveys while in warp etc.
The question you should ask yourself is, which parts of the PI would you macro/automate so that it could be done without you if you could? Those parts are likely uninteresting gameplay.
When I now log in, I ask myself: 'do I want to zoom in on my planets and restart the extractors?', 'Do I really want to fly over to my planets in a hauler, do the import/export thing and fly back again'? More often than not the answer is a resounding: 'no'. I'd rather chat, RP, manipulating the market or go look for a bit of PvP instead. Yes, I'd even rather do a mission.
I'm playing it to have fun, not to earn isk.
If I could and was allowed to automate and macro it, I most certainly would.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.06.15 16:40:00 -
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Agree :
Setting up PI is kinda fun.
Managing it and maintaining - BORING.
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2010.06.15 16:47:00 -
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Look at it this way.... finally! Empire mining is better than some other income earning element in EVE!
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Kyusoath Orillian
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.15 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
The question you should ask yourself is, which parts of the PI would you macro/automate so that it could be done without you if you could?
all of it.
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Tsukiko Ishida
Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.06.15 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tsukiko Ishida on 15/06/2010 17:10:39
Quote:
Stop blaming CCP for a lack of imagination.
I read that as immigration and laughed at how ironic it was when referring to people talking about lack of income from planets.
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Geralden
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Posted - 2010.06.15 18:15:00 -
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2 weeks, 20 mill...
Just the time to set up the PI's is a load more than i use to earn 200 mill.
I will never touch PI after I tried it on test - it's the most booring, coumbersome, useless and laggy part of eve i have yet seen.
I really hope that SOME people will find it worth their time, since PoS fuel is now made by this PoS. I just cant see how PI would make an expansion - it's hardly worth a notice - even salvaging belt rats is more fun. |
War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.06.15 18:25:00 -
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Confirming that June 8th - June 15th is 2 weeks, and that all other math, statistical information and opinions ITT are 105.9% correct.
"Here's your sign." - Bill Engvall |
Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
Confirming that June 8th - June 15th is 2 weeks, and that all other math, statistical information and opinions ITT are 105.9% correct.
WIN 
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2010.06.15 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 19:54:22
Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 19:53:12
LOL - Win Indeed - all that means is I made twice as much.
But all that is irrelevent - Im not bragging about making uber ISK with PI - No doubt it is currently the least return for the time invested available in game. And I COMPLETELY agree the process is too repetitive.
However, this post is not about if PI is good/bad in game versus other methods of wealth gain. No one started that argument except for a few trollers like Commander/Sky.
What I said is that all thing being equal on the topic of PI in its own right and amogst those who are partaking in PI... most of the PI infrastructures are terribly inneffective. Sorry if you guys are reading more into that that originally posted or are frustrated at a feature you dont want to use anyway.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.15 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
Hand it over and we wont war dec you ... 
That's how you make money 
Thank-You,
The Pitboss
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Kesper North
Caldari
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.15 20:12:00 -
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I won't even get out of bed for ten mil a week.
Broken feature.
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Lottan
Senators of Eridan
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.15 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 14:43:02
After seeing a lot of PI infrastructures, it's no wonder why most people are havig a hard time with it.
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
Stop blaming CCP for a lack of imagination. PI is passive. Set it up CORRECTLY - then do something else the make money actively.
I agree. It doesn't take much of the players time and attention to make money with it. So it is the same as passive skill training that does not require your time. It has not to bee too pprofitable.
Also imagine how much time will it take you to construct a complex that will earn you money in real life. I think in two weeks one man can buind a jungle hut or lay four thousand bricks in the wall of his future cottage.
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Darkwolf
Caldari
TOG Empire
DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2010.06.15 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lottan
Also imagine how much time will it take you to construct a complex that will earn you money in real life. I think in two weeks one man can buind a jungle hut or lay four thousand bricks in the wall of his future cottage.
... or he could pay 10,000 lower class labourers to come in, bring in pre-fabricated buildings, slap them all down for residences, ship in drilling equipment and suitable heavy machinery, and get to the mining.
You really didn't think that the capsuleers do that work on planets by themselves, do you? Capsuleers are filthy, stinking rich by planetary standards. A lot of money can make things happen VERY VERY quickly.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Darkwolf
... or he could pay 10,000 lower class labourers to come in, bring in pre-fabricated buildings, slap them all down for residences, ship in drilling equipment and suitable heavy machinery, and get to the mining.
And he could pay just one logistics manager, who has to do nothing else but push a couple of dozen buttons every day without really thinking to manage the survey, extraction and export/import processes. Ah, one can only hope....
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Gumdrop
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Posted - 2010.06.15 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gumdrop on 15/06/2010 23:37:16
I had alot of fun setting up 10 planets for PI. Made me think and do math! However my setup comes to something like 568 clicks to cycle all my extractors
and i got burnt out after a few days and havnt touched my planets since last friday lol. It wasn't the amount of time that bothered me as it only took 25
mins a day. Its just too much clicking over and over and over and over and over. There should be some option on the command center to just select the 23 or
w/e that 4 day one is cycle for all extractors at once. Then some kinda minigame you have to play to waste 3-4 mins at each planet. Maybe like you drive
some cargo truck down a tube and move left to right to avoid crashing into dinosaurs and boulders on terrestrial planets :)
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Kerfira
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.15 23:55:00 -
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I set up 3 planets with 15, 14 and 10 extractors...
That comes to 159 clicks to activate them... 
I set up at the start to produce Guidance Systems, only to discover that CCP is selling them through NPC's at less than what it costs to export them... Sure, I should have checked for NPC orders, but they had been removed a few days before so I thought CCP wouldn't be stupid enough to kill off part of the PI before it even got started.... I was wrong...
Conclusion... Senseless clickfest plus essentially killing off the parts that are NPC supplied makes this 'great feature' a total washout....
Yes, I know that the NPC orders might be removed at some time, but you just need to take a look at the market logs to see that enough stockpiles have been created to last for months if not years...
These parts of PI are essentially dead for a long time...
Hint for CCP:
- Right-click Command Center
- Chose option 'All Extractors'
- Choose between 30 minutes, 5 hours, 23 hours, 3 days
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Kephael
Caldari
SERENDIPITY INC
R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.06.16 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 14:43:02
After seeing a lot of PI infrastructures, it's no wonder why most people are havig a hard time with it.
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
Stop blaming CCP for a lack of imagination. PI is passive. Set it up CORRECTLY - then do something else the make money actively.
You can make that much in 20 minutes running anomalies in a marauder.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.16 00:53:00 -
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OMG 20 mil in 2 weeks! ROFL
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: BrundleMeth on 16/06/2010 12:36:42
I make 600 Million in less than an hour's work. How? In RL I earn enough in 50 minutes to buy a GTC. Sell it for ISK on forums. Then I can spend my time having real fun rather than doing some mind numbing repetitive stuff to make ISK to buy stuff to have my real fun...
Got my $8000.00 tax return. Bought 30 GTC's sold for 18 Billion. lolololol
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ChrisDude70
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:45:00 -
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With my setup, I make around 2.5m every 2 to 3 hours.
Every day it takes me around half an hour to manage my planets.
This includes:
Restarting my extracters.
Collecting the exess P0 materials for additional cash (They sell for 1 to 5 isk each)
Collecting P1 materials and transferring them to my production planet.
Collecting P4 materials and taking them to the station.
So really, for half an hour of work, I make 30million ISK.
Broken? I think not.
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Snabbik Shigen
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:03:00 -
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My hope is that they change the 96h extraction choice to "keep going until it runs dry". I'd change all of my colonies over to that in a heartbeat instead of mucking with them twice a day.
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ForceM
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
I set up 3 planets with 15, 14 and 10 extractors...
That comes to 159 clicks to activate them...
1) Double click extractor
2) Double click time
3) sumbit
Finished
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:58:00 -
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Damn - Im sorry guys - I guess I just have a knack for polarizing topics with my wicked words.
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Fraa Jaad
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: ForceM
Originally by: Kerfira
I set up 3 planets with 15, 14 and 10 extractors...
That comes to 159 clicks to activate them...
1) Double click extractor
2) Double click time
3) sumbit
Finished
Repeat 1 and 2 for all your planet's extractors, then hit Submit. Less clicking.
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Ka choop
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ka choop on 16/06/2010 15:05:02
Edited by: Ka choop on 16/06/2010 15:04:45
I make like 1.2-1.5 million/day/planet using the next setup.
I use 5 hours cycles which I start 2-3 times/day. If you can, 2 5 hour cycles will produce more yield then 1 23 hour cycle. This is enough to keep my facilities running. I have an improved command center and live in 0.0 so for low and high-sec it will be different. Also my scans are ****ty and I'll post when I get better skills. This way I can keep my facilities running indefinately but just barely.
Btw, I don't use a storage facility so I can place more extractors. You have to watch out your launchpad doesn't fill up with raw material otherwise you're going to lose produced material because there's nowhere to store it.
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Vexidious
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
I set up 3 planets with 15, 14 and 10 extractors...
That comes to 159 clicks to activate them...
SO, what you are saying is that CCP created a UI that is complete FAIL. Can't say that I'm surprised after using the other UIs in the game. Their UI designer (assuming that they have one) is either ******ed, or hates players, IMO.
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Kerfira
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: ForceM
Originally by: Kerfira
I set up 3 planets with 15, 14 and 10 extractors...
That comes to 159 clicks to activate them...
1) Double click extractor
2) Double click time
3) sumbit
Finished
That would be 195 clicks total... Hardly an improvement...
(15 * 4) + (14 * 4) + (10 * 4) + 3 = 159
The 15/14/10 are the number of extractors. The 4 is two double-clicks. The 3 is a submit per planet.
Must be pretty high on the list of most crappy interfaces ever...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:04:00 -
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PI was EVE finding a completely different way than mining to make gaming tedius.
Mining is long term hour by hour boring. PI just jams a huge amount of tedium into the short while involved in setting it up.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:15:00 -
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PI is CCPs gift to the Chinese macro miners ... heaven only knows they need a boost to their economy IRL
Thank-You,
The Pitboss
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Hells NO LOL
THIS UNIVERSE IS MINE!!!
No, just These Worlds Are Yours.Ö
-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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dankness420
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:45:00 -
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I am pumping out 24 Recursive Computing Modules and 48 Nano Factories a day using three 0.0 planets and my awesome stockpile of stuff! Thanks CCP :)
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
Edited by: BrundleMeth on 16/06/2010 12:36:42
I make 600 Million in less than an hour's work. How? In RL I earn enough in 50 minutes to buy a GTC. Sell it for ISK on forums. Then I can spend my time having real fun rather than doing some mind numbing repetitive stuff to make ISK to buy stuff to have my real fun...
Got my $8000.00 tax return. Bought 30 GTC's sold for 18 Billion. lolololol
Siigari V2?
-Liang
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Casmy Blue
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:32:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Damn - Im sorry guys - I guess I just have a knack for polarizing topics with my wicked words.
Hit the road, Jack.
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Magistrate Tsuris
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
Got my $8000.00 tax return. Bought 30 GTC's sold for 18 Billion. lolololol
You spent ~ $1000 of real cash on buying pixelated cash?
What's that expression about a genius and his money?
Oh wait, I think I might have gotten that wrong a little...
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:48:00 -
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confirming i made a 1bil today selling PI materials
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:51:00 -
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since last night, we know that at least this little sim city works when the core part of the game (PvP, for those who didn't know) is going skynet again. after reading JUMPING for 9 minutes, i decided to swap some launchpad contents with the customs office.
alas, i couldn't do it with a second char as the famous black screen wouldn't go away for the prime hour of the evening...
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putting the gist back into logistics |
Gekkoh
Caldari
Trade Winds Ventures
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:16:00 -
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So, CCP spent the majority of 6 month's worth of development time in order to implement a system that lets you make 10M a week, if you log in every day and click the UI repeatedly in a manner very similar to farmville.
Instead of:
- UI improvements
- a faction warfare overhaul
- a redesign of the lowsec game
- making missions more exciting and less predictable
- further sovereignty upgrades
- dynamic mining belts and comets
- etc
... we got farmville in space, all so we can make 10M isk a week.
I sure hope this was the "light" expansion, and we get something fun, non-tedious and actually relative to the rest of the game in next expansion.
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Brother Mephiston
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Mephiston on 17/06/2010 09:35:46
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Edited by: BrundleMeth on 16/06/2010 12:36:42
I make 600 Million in less than an hour's work. How? In RL I earn enough in 50 minutes to buy a GTC. Sell it for ISK on forums. Then I can spend my time having real fun rather than doing some mind numbing repetitive stuff to make ISK to buy stuff to have my real fun...
Got my $8000.00 tax return. Bought 30 GTC's sold for 18 Billion. lolololol
you need some serious therapy mate... you just spent enough to buy a bike on pixel cash.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:43:00 -
[52]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Edited by: BrundleMeth on 16/06/2010 12:36:42
I make 600 Million in less than an hour's work. How? In RL I earn enough in 50 minutes to buy a GTC. Sell it for ISK on forums. Then I can spend my time having real fun rather than doing some mind numbing repetitive stuff to make ISK to buy stuff to have my real fun...
Got my $8000.00 tax return. Bought 30 GTC's sold for 18 Billion. lolololol
You could say I'm somewhat dedicated to EVE and running it on 3 screens and all... But I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. You sir, deserve a FAIL Tag. A big one. In bright red bold Impact letters.
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K'ven
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:16:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kerfira
Hint for CCP:
- Right-click Command Center
- Chose option 'All Extractors'
- Choose between 30 minutes, 5 hours, 23 hours, 3 days
And yet, a spark of sense emerges...
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DrefsabZN
Caldari
Rage For Order
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:33:00 -
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For me I tried PI enjoyed the setup then thought meh I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. I make more isk by doing nothing from passive investments than I can make from PI by putting constant effort in.
So it boils down to doing something boring as hell for practically 0 return.
If I want to make isk then I would choose something else to do, if I want something to occupy my time then again I would again do something different.
For this reason I personally find PI a waste of time for me. I was hoping for a lot more from it. I'm sure some people will love it but well that's just my humble opinion on the "big feature" of the latest expansion.
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kephael
You can make that much in 20 minutes running anomalies in a marauder.
This is why people suck at PI, the ignorance in the majority is seething like some kind of infectious mental disease.
Dont you understand the meaning of passive?... it doesnt matter what you can DO to make more money, its what you DONT have to do to make money in PI.
Srsly, the backwards mentality of the majority is the biggest problem that CCP have, I understand now why they need to give us a whole year before Dust. Its gona take a year for some people to wrap their tiny minds around it.
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas
OMG 20 mil in 2 weeks! ROFL
OMG, another one that doesnt yet understand, ROFL
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Radix Salvilines
Shadow Veil Industrial
Shadow Directive
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:20:00 -
[57]
"20mil in less than 2 weeks" haha thats gold :P
I make 60mil in less than 2 weeks doing actually nothing (not counting autopiloting between agents) from my 6 lvl4 R&D agents :P
we could make a cool new forum game out of that btw.
"I make xx isk in less than 2 weeks" game :P
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Vexidious
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:43:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Sade Onyx
Dont you understand the meaning of passive?... it doesnt matter what you can DO to make more money, its what you DONT have to do to make money in PI.
Do you understand the meaning of passive? Hint: 100+ clicks every day, plus hauling is not passive.
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kano donn
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:44:00 -
[59]
I live in null and purely mining the raw resources, i make about 40 mill a day.
This is wonderful since i have them set up for the 96 hour cycle, i just come back once a day to empty my storage. Very nice now that RL makes it so i can not rat.
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Illectroculus Defined
Chooch Inc.
Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:49:00 -
[60]
yes you can make more money by missioning, mining, ratting or a bunch of other activities - but I find that It's quite easy to restart my extractors during those moments when I'd otherwise be waiting for stuff to happen.
Warping from station to belt, waiting for rat to die, waiting for mining lasers to cycle, waiting cloaked at a safe spot, watching the shield damage on some effing sov structure dropping agonizingly slowly. I use these times to manage my market orders too.
Yes the UI is offensively badly designed and doesn't follow any of the established eve online UI rules and this interferes with the 'enjoyment'. My only real time devoted to PI is the time taken to drop the command centers and move stuff to and from the customs offices. Based on that I'm ahead, and ahead by a long way.
But I strongly encourage people to quit the business so my profits can improve.
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Walrus RGM
Gallente
FreeShopBay
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:16:00 -
[61]
Honestly, I don`t see how this will stand as it is in the long run...
The yeld is so low on high sec. planets, that the time it takes on a day to manage 4 colonies and actually make some profit is easily surpassed by mining on the same system with a hulk or running lvl 3 missions.
The output on 2nd components is s***, and the number of clicks required to activate everyday 4 colonies with 18 extractors each is a joke.
CCP should play what they design, because as it is, the only way to make profit of it is recruiting newbs to train the skills and deliver you the goods.
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La Faraona
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Posted - 2010.07.08 18:32:00 -
[62]
it's waste of time.
slaves will do it for you 
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Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2010.07.08 19:21:00 -
[63]
Ive just started mucking around with PI.
Thoughts so far...
The Links/Routes thing is ridiculous, all you require are routes.
There is another problem with the 'supply chain' in that its not obvious when you will achieve the minimum required for process. Neither is it obvious you are overloading a fab/store.
Planetary links should be available to take x product to B planet and automatically have it be sent down for y processing - this might be doable but it really isnt obvious and thus easy.
You really have to do a tutorial, i gunned it at first and got in a mess. Not a downside, just a warning.
I have a plan thought out and know what im aiming for, worked out all the ways to get it and will come back after some success.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.07.08 19:27:00 -
[64]
Know what's going to be even more fun? Isn't the purpose of Dust enabling the ability of those lovely PI sites to be waged war on and destroyed? Good luck with that.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.07.08 19:28:00 -
[65]
Originally by: La Faraona
it's waste of time.
slaves will do it for you
I have adopted a Korean boy to work my planets.
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2010.07.08 19:31:00 -
[66]
P.I. sucks for most of us because P.I. sucks.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.08 19:42:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 08/07/2010 19:46:23
The best...err...ok, only thing about PI is the fact that a corp can now produce its own fuel, O2, etc...for thier PoS. Other than that i/d/k. 
Of course, one of the things I find totally hysterical is that they actually think that IF DUST isn't a BUST they actually think that after a PI structure is destroyed that we (capsuleers) will actually waste time rebuilding them so DUST players have something to do. 
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Kweel Nakashyn
shadow and cloaking
Yggdrasill.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 19:45:00 -
[68]
hahaha op, i made 200m in 2 days with pi :)
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2010.07.08 19:58:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Xanos Blackpaw on 08/07/2010 19:58:34
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.07.08 21:50:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
hahaha op, i made 200m in 2 days with pi :)
WTF? I must be doing it wrong then. 
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Dr Caymus
Gallente
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
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Posted - 2010.07.08 22:06:00 -
[71]
PI is an interesting diversion, if not a big ISK generator. I've set up a couple of planets just for the fun of it.
Yes, maybe PI is a bit of a clickfest, but that's hardly a negative worth singling out. For comparison, here's a run-down of various in-game activities:
Clickfest
PI
Mining
Research
Invention
Manufacturing
Trade
Missioning
Ratting
PvP
Not Clickfest
Autopilot Hauling
Skill Training
Feel free to add what I've missed...
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 22:23:00 -
[72]
I don't mind a bit of clicking if most of my clicks involve some (interesting) decision. PI doesn't involve any interesting decision other than the planning and the selling part. Especially keeping your installations operating involves utterly mindless clicking.
I've last two weeks or so at 24-hour click cycles, now on to 96 hour cycles and in a couple of weeks likely won't bother at all. Just too boring and mind-numbing.
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Suicida1
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Posted - 2010.07.08 23:03:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
hahaha op, i made 200m in 2 days with pi :)
Haha, i made 140bil at current prices with PI not doing PI..
haha some more please
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.07.08 23:12:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Suicida1
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
hahaha op, i made 200m in 2 days with pi :)
Haha, i made 140bil at current prices with PI not doing PI..
haha some more please
I make that per day just by spinning my ship. 
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Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
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Posted - 2010.07.08 23:13:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Aldarica on 08/07/2010 23:13:34
PI is just another little toy we've been given to play with when/if we get bored from other stuff, therefore it's good as an alternative option.
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 23:16:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 15/06/2010 14:43:02
After seeing a lot of PI infrastructures, it's no wonder why most people are havig a hard time with it.
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
Stop blaming CCP for a lack of imagination. PI is passive. Set it up CORRECTLY - then do something else the make money actively.
Congrats, you finally found something that is less profitable than mining.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Doom Guard
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 23:18:00 -
[77]
20 million isk in a few weeks?!?
where DO I SIGN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sempress Kaye
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Posted - 2010.07.08 23:24:00 -
[78]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Got my $8000.00 tax return. Bought 30 GTC's sold for 18 Billion. lolololol
Quoted for failing at life.
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.09 00:19:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Nick Curso on 09/07/2010 00:19:50
*me kinda misses his pos chain that made him 2 bil a week profit running reactions.
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Tarix Loken
Northstar Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.09 00:42:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Kerfira
Hint for CCP:
- Right-click Command Center
- Chose option 'All Extractors'
- Choose between 30 minutes, 5 hours, 23 hours, 3 days
DEAR GOD this please!! make it happen CCP.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
4 wing
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.07.09 04:02:00 -
[81]
I make around 300 to 400 million per week out in 0.0 with PI. I've got no complaints. Plus it essentially replaces ship spinning when I'm bored.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.07.09 08:10:00 -
[82]
Ok, realistically:
With a effort equal to having to log in once a day, do a bit of clicking (granted) and rotate goods once a week, I can make 1 mill ISK per hour (at least) from PI.
That is 24 million ISK per day, 720 ISK per 30 days. Well, that is enough to pay for a PLEX (even two) and still have ISK in spare.
Seems fine enough by me. Oh and the OP do have a point correctly, though he maybe did not high light it well enough; to enjoy PI you really need to set your infrastructure right. I have found that is the trick to not get worm out from having to check the colonies every five hour to see if things still are running smooth. And it reduces the amount of necessary clicks too.
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Criss AngeI
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Posted - 2010.07.09 12:26:00 -
[83]
Originally by: War Kitten
Confirming that June 8th - June 15th is 2 weeks, and that all other math, statistical information and opinions ITT are 105.9% correct.
fail.
Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
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Ganagati
Caldari
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2010.07.09 12:50:00 -
[84]
Honestly Im surprised anyone thought this would be any different. If something is open to EVERYONE then it the value of whatever it makes will drop. You can make what... lets say 20 different items? There are generally, in the evenings, 40,000 players online playing? If only half of those do PI, that's 20,000 people doing PI which means an average of 1000 different people making whatever you are making. :-P
PI requires very little effort. It is perfect for people like myself who log on maybe 10 minutes a day at most. 20 mil a week is more than fine for 1 hour of work a week.
PI has extremely low entrance requirements. You could be up and running in minutes and could be far more than decent within 7-8 days of training. ~20 days = best you could be at it (I think? Could be wrong on that last one).
So yea, the only thing CCP could do to increase PI income would be to add a TON of new resources to get. I wouldn't worry about it so much- PI is for a certain type of player. If you are an active player who has time to rat/mission, it simply won't bring in the same money as what you could be making.
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2010.07.09 13:17:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Vexidious
Originally by: Kerfira
I set up 3 planets with 15, 14 and 10 extractors...
That comes to 159 clicks to activate them...
SO, what you are saying is that CCP created a UI that is complete FAIL. Can't say that I'm surprised after using the other UIs in the game. Their UI designer (assuming that they have one) is either ******ed, or hates players, IMO.
The guy was interviewed during alliance tournament and very proud of what he had done...
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I'm Stroking
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Posted - 2010.07.09 13:23:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Ive already made over 20mil in less than 2 weeks with 4 planets in .5 space.
That's pretty fail, since 20m is about 2 hours worth of running missions.
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AccesiViale
Gallente
The Artful Dodgers
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Posted - 2010.07.09 13:35:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Caius Sivaris
Originally by: Vexidious
Originally by: Kerfira
I set up 3 planets with 15, 14 and 10 extractors...
That comes to 159 clicks to activate them...
SO, what you are saying is that CCP created a UI that is complete FAIL. Can't say that I'm surprised after using the other UIs in the game. Their UI designer (assuming that they have one) is either ******ed, or hates players, IMO.
The guy was interviewed during alliance tournament and very proud of what he had done...
yea...I had to close the stream as it was painful to watch the guy responsible for so much garbage in the game fumble through his explanation of what he thought he had accomplished.
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.09 14:05:00 -
[88]
Wow - This is still alive. Yes PI UI forkflow Sucks major. But that wasn't the topic.
Since I have a chance Id like to report over 600Mil in profits since.
But I admit, even with these profits, I am using it less and less and all the clicking really hurts.
I Open the PI screen... begin my first click, then quickly EXIT.
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2010.07.09 14:21:00 -
[89]
OP's sarcasm seems to have eluded many players
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.07.09 15:52:00 -
[90]
Interesting.
I have 4 planets harvesting materials and producing the first level products.
I have 1 planet doing all other production to produce a level 4 product.
It takes me about 15 minutes to start all extractors, haul materials to my production set up, and pick up my finished product.
Each day produces about 20+ mil in finished product.
I can spare 15 minutes a day to produce 140mil/week. It will be far less time than that once they give us a "start all extractors" option.
For new players this is a significant boost to their overall income.
For older players it is merely a supplimental source of income for little effort (after the initial setup). It was never meant to be the sole or even primary source of income for a player.
Personally I will be using it as a low maintenance income stream from specialty alts that otherwise would be producing no real income for me.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:07:00 -
[91]
You can make 10th of millions/day with PI. Just leave the extracting to others and do the processing/factory work.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:25:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Kern Hotha
P.I. sucks for most of us because P.I. sucks.
Nice.
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Fizzid
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Posted - 2010.07.09 19:29:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Sempress Kaye
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Got my $8000.00 tax return. Bought 30 GTC's sold for 18 Billion. lolololol
Quoted for failing at life.
I would call pulling in 8k in taxes a RL success story actually. When you need more isk, you need to work more in RL, which is a positive feedback loop. When you get tired of eve, you can always fallback to your RL success.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.07.10 02:42:00 -
[94]
The problem with PI isn't how long it takes to click all the extracts.
It's the fact you have to click the extractors.
The sink is based on clicks when it could be based on intelligence and creativity.
Who cares about isk, it's just not a fun game once the wack-a-mole component comes in.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:15:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Merdaneth
The only real advantage is that you can click your resurveys while in warp etc. [...] When I now log in, I ask myself: 'do I want to zoom in on my planets and restart the extractors?', 'Do I really want to fly over to my planets in a hauler, do the import/export thing and fly back again'? More often than not the answer is a resounding: 'no'.
I agree. The ONLY reason I am bothering with PI at all is because I fly a freighter on a regular basis, some of those warps take a LONG time, and it's nice to get some 'free' fuel for my towers. I'm sure the investment will pay off in a month or two.
I have heard of people making hundreds of millions a week with PI and I don't see how this is possible. Maybe they just have a dozen accounts? Or maybe I'm just dense. Entirely possible.
In any case... CCP, I'm sending you the bill for my RSI.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:04:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
The problem with PI isn't how long it takes to click all the extracts.
It's the fact you have to click the extractors.
The sink is based on clicks when it could be based on intelligence and creativity.
Who cares about isk, it's just not a fun game once the wack-a-mole component comes in.
Nicely put.
Originally by: Fizzid
Originally by: Sempress Kaye
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Got my $8000.00 tax return. Bought 30 GTC's sold for 18 Billion. lolololol
Quoted for failing at life.
I would call pulling in 8k in taxes a RL success story actually. When you need more isk, you need to work more in RL, which is a positive feedback loop. When you get tired of eve, you can always fallback to your RL success.
I couldn't agree more that pulling in $8k in taxes isn't bad but I think the negative connotation is more that spending $1000 on ingame cash is somewhat ridiculous. And it is.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:33:00 -
[97]
Would you have so strong a opinion on where some else spends their hard earned cash if he had spent it on anything else?
I really don't understand why people have such a big problem with people wasting their money on a game compaired to wasting it on every other unneeded luxury item in our lives.
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Ungakola
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:04:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: ForceM
Originally by: Kerfira
I set up 3 planets with 15, 14 and 10 extractors...
That comes to 159 clicks to activate them...
1) Double click extractor
2) Double click time
3) sumbit
Finished
That would be 195 clicks total... Hardly an improvement...
(15 * 4) + (14 * 4) + (10 * 4) + 3 = 159
The 15/14/10 are the number of extractors. The 4 is two double-clicks. The 3 is a submit per planet.
Must be pretty high on the list of most crappy interfaces ever...
if you dont like clicking, i would think that playing pc is a bad idear..
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Jhagiti Tyran
Invicta.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:49:00 -
[99]
tbh I would just save up all the RL iskies I make by not doing PI and avoiding wear and tear on my mouse and buy a PLEX thats gotta be worth a few hundred mill a month passively.
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Thorian Crystal
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.10 12:21:00 -
[100]
I think the clicking should be taken away from PI. Then make PI so that if you just leave your factories running, you make some income maybe like currently or a bit less. But then if you actually spend time doing things in your factories, then you make a lot more money. That way there will be no "boring clicking" anymore. Instead, those who want to do "planetary things", can do them and really do PI for a change, if they get bored about something else for a while.
Real PI could contain things that you land onto your factories and shoot robbers, fix some problems to improve efficiency above the passive efficiency level, install mods into your factories, research something, etc. This would be more interesting and offer proper alternative income source too.
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