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1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:09:00 - [1] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 05:11:09 stfu already its old trolling. years ago, before you people felt privileged because u took mommy and daddy's CC to buy a "OMG leet gamer rig" there was only consoles, or computer systems that came as is, with no upgradable parts to affix inside it. Im recalling commodore 64, atari 2600, intellivision, NES, and so on. In those days if you wrote code for some software that didnt work on the machine, you were a poor coding company. fast foward to the forums of Eve circa 2010. If the software doesn't work properly on your machine, "its a conflict of settings on your computer thats a problem", "your computer doesn't have the very short list of parts CCP made support for, so you suck for not buying exactly the computer required for eve online", "its your ISP, not CCPs, ever". get this: I ask about my machine having continuous crashes since tyrannis. The machine in question has exactly the items listed for MAC on the reuqirements section. It has the OS, it has radeon X1600+, it has more than adequate ram and CPU. whats the answer to my dilemma from fanbois? "its not CCP, its your hardware". ZYeah, so CCP say they support thishardware yet it still havs problems and its my fault. load of ****. To you fanboi trolls I say gtfo. thank you. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:11:00 - [2] You seem fairly mad. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City' Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:14:00 - [3] well I enjoy a good rejection of undue blame myself. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:19:00 - [4] I have a Mac, can I help?
Krunchy Pod	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:19:00 - [5] I think the problem is that you're trying to play a game on a Mac.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:20:00 - [6] Hehe mac. Does it come with a beret and a pretentious attitude towards educated consumers? ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City' Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster.
dankness420	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:31:00 - [7] Its not the fact that your computer isn't supported. Its more the fact that your computer is literally a piece of garbage. That video card is worse then my integrated graphics!
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:47:00 - [8] You forgot to mention one element and that is the OS. Why EVE runs better for me on W7 than it did on XP I'll never know. -------------------------------------- If you don't like my posts, then why waste your time commenting in them? --------------------------------------
Ryhss Caldari Victory Fleet Systems C.H.A.L.I.C.E.	Posted - 2010.06.17 05:58:00 - [9] I have 17m, can I help. Originally by: Abrazzar I don't know what's going on but I am terribly upset about it.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:03:00 - [10] Mac.... Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:04:00 - [11] It's really pretty simple. They dont know. Neither do I. That doesnt help but it seems to be what you are looking for. Honesty.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:34:00 - [12] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 17/06/2010 06:33:55 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 To you fanboi trolls I say gtfo. What took you longest? Creating your trolling alt or writing your trolling post? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:42:00 - [13] I thought that name looked familar. Looks like CCP needs to ban this alt too. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Cole Y0unger Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:45:00 - [14] Nvidia GTX 260m i just won your Mac blows Just sayin
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:47:00 - [15] X1600 isn't exactly a high quality card. You're also running eve wrapped in a proprietary fork of the WINE project from before they switched to GPL. If I recall, CCP did a lot of work on optimizing performance of the graphics engine for D3D. I'm sure a third party implementation that borrowed code from an open source project but never back contributed will be able to properly implement those libraries in a fast and efficient manner. You're running a DirectX specialized game on medium grade hardware in a compatibility environment. It's not going to be a great experience. You're either going to have to deal with it or go to bootcamp. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust	Posted - 2010.06.17 07:35:00 - [16] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 MAC I HAVE LOCATED YOUR FAIL. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 whats the answer to my dilemma from fanbois? Get a decent OS? Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.06.17 07:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Lykouleon Get a decent OS? Nothing wrong with the OS. And if you want you can just run windos on the same Mac under bootcamp. Just have to be careful then, not being used to a truckload of spam/mal/virus ware, could get you into tricky situations you don't find under the Mac OS.
Mistress Darkside	Posted - 2010.06.17 08:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Serpents smile ust have to be careful then, not being used to a truckload of spam/mal/virus ware, could get you into tricky situations you don't find under the Mac OS. The reason you don't find yourself in that situation is that the Mac OS isnÆt worth targeting as not a lot of people use them! There is not enough money, fame etc... In it for someone to make the effort! If for some strange reason there was a sudden uptake in the usage of the Mac and it became a viable target, you would soon have that smug smile wiped of your face! Look Here For Details
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.06.17 08:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Mistress Darkside If for some strange reason there was a sudden uptake in the usage of the Mac and it became a viable target, you would soon have that smug smile wiped of your face! That strange reason was I-pads being the must have tech toy. Linkage Much for every smug smiled wiped off, two more were generated at the expense of apple fanbois and further more why do i even need a sig?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.17 08:51:00 - [20] As someone who runs the game fine on four different Macsà àit's not CCP ù it's your system. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.17 08:53:00 - [21] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 05:11:09 stfu already its old trolling. years ago, before you people felt privileged because u took mommy and daddy's CC to buy a "OMG leet gamer rig" there was only consoles, or computer systems that came as is, with no upgradable parts to affix inside it. Im recalling commodore 64, atari 2600, intellivision, NES, and so on. In those days if you wrote code for some software that didnt work on the machine, you were a poor coding company. fast foward to the forums of Eve circa 2010. If the software doesn't work properly on your machine, "its a conflict of settings on your computer thats a problem", "your computer doesn't have the very short list of parts CCP made support for, so you suck for not buying exactly the computer required for eve online", "its your ISP, not CCPs, ever". get this: I ask about my machine having continuous crashes since tyrannis. The machine in question has exactly the items listed for MAC on the reuqirements section. It has the OS, it has radeon X1600+, it has more than adequate ram and CPU. whats the answer to my dilemma from fanbois? "its not CCP, its your hardware". ZYeah, so CCP say they support thishardware yet it still havs problems and its my fault. load of ****. To you fanboi trolls I say gtfo. thank you. While I personally like Macs, I can tell you from a technological point of view that most games (if not all) are being made compatible with a very special commercial modification of Wine. This is known to have caused problems for some titles on the Mac. Either get a normal PC or Bootcamp into Windows on the Mac, which should automagically solve the problem. Apply \| Sigs
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.17 09:01:00 - [22] EVE not working on most/all mac's == CCP's problem EVE not working on your mac == your problem Get someone to help you fix your computer... Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.06.17 09:10:00 - [23] Originally by: dexington EVE not working on most/all mac's == CCP's problem EVE not working on your mac == your problem Get someone to help you fix your computer... Cant upgrade a mac so he is just ganna have to either get a new one or buy a proper computer that will do twice as much for much much less cash.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.17 09:23:00 - [24] Originally by: baltec1 Cant upgrade a mac Depends which one he bought. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ran Khanon Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.06.17 09:25:00 - [25] Could be so many things ... last issue I had on my pc were loads of graphic errors and artifacts and then suddenly a crash after around 5-15 minutes. Logically I suspected my gfx card; cleaned, reinstalled and updated drivers, checked temperature, played around with all settings at my disposal and finally replaced it with an old one from my friend. Rinse and repeat. Still had the same issue. After numerous sessions working on my pc to find out what the **** was wrong and finally being on the verge of replacing my motherboard because I couldn't think of anything else. I then ran a memory test to see if there were any issues there; turned out my ram was broken. A problem which I really hadn't expected. Replaced it and all was fine again. So before you start blaming CCP, you better BE DAMN SURE that it isn't your computer ... Help us to make parrots game related today!
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.17 09:33:00 - [26] Originally by: baltec1 Cant upgrade a mac so he is just ganna have to either get a new one or buy a proper computer that will do twice as much for much much less cash. He says his hardware is better then the requirements, why would he need to buy a new computer?.. unless it's broken, but that does not seem to be the case. He is posing in the EVE General Discussion forum, when he should be using the Macintosh forum, it's obvious he has not clue how to use a computer. All he needs to do is call a friend that knows about macs, and he properly be running eve in no time. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Rolare Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.17 09:42:00 - [27] Edited by: Rolare on 17/06/2010 09:44:01 Can you still buy laptops with a graphic crad like that? O,o EDIT: Apparently spelled "card" wrong >,>
TriadSte Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.17 09:47:00 - [28] Im with Ran Khanon here all the way: I myself has an issue with my computer locking up and rebooting when playing games. I was quick to blame the graphics card so I did the whole reinstall drivers thing and nope it didn't work I even reinstalled windows.....I did everything. Turned out that my GFX card a HD 4870 X2 was that heavy its actually prised my PCI-E slot open just a little bit and when its in perfectly straight it doesnt work I have to allow it to drop a little then bang some screws in to keep it in its place for it to work properly. It really can be ANYTHING.
Fille Balle Ballbreakers R us	Posted - 2010.06.17 10:10:00 - [29] Ahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah! OMG! I thought the reason for buying a mac was that it never crashed? Or was I misinformed? Anyways, my home hade Windows pc never crashes, and it was a lot cheaper than even the cheapest mac, so I guess I'm the lucky one.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.17 11:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Fille Balle I thought the reason for buying a mac was that it never crashed? Or was I misinformed? Yes. Or well, maybe you looked too much at Apple's ads. But then again, Norton claims that their software makes your Windows machine safer/better/[other incorrect description of what a Norton-infested machine acts like]à That aside, though, I sincerely doubt that his mac actually crashed ù it's probably just EVE that CTD:s. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2010.06.17 11:27:00 - [31] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 MAC There is your problem. I suggest you get a real computer. More seriously? Get a grip. In 99% of such cases as you, its a user fault, either you are not capable of using your own equipment, or the hardware/software is faulty. Cause get one thing streight, a computer is not a "commandroe 64, only better", its a highly cutstomizalbe tool, and it requiers some user knowledge to tweak and use for what you want it to do. Blaming CCP for your own faults is kinda stupid man. We are indeed in 2010, the only thing you got right, but you should understand that the world has changed since "the old days". We are not fanbois, we are just realistic, it is you who is lagging behind in teh times, if you do not change you will surly be left back there.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.06.17 11:30:00 - [32] well you are right, as far as coding goes, CCP is doing a very bad job. maybe its cause the client is old, and was written ages ago. you know how when you do something in one window and everything freezes up? well it shouldn't, only that window should freeze up, but the rest of the client should remain functional. another thing is session change timers, that's just bad, you cant just put a timer in and stop people from doing something for x amount of time, hoping the matter will get solved during that time. who writes such code? don't get me wrong, CCP started very small and what they accomplished is simply amazing. I just have a feeling that some things were written a long time ago, maybe by people who no longer work there, they were designed poorly and should be changed.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2010.06.17 11:34:00 - [33] Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 17/06/2010 11:34:52 Originally by: Fille Balle Ahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah! OMG! I thought the reason for buying a mac was that it never crashed? Or was I misinformed? Anyways, my home hade Windows pc never crashes, and it was a lot cheaper than even the cheapest mac, so I guess I'm the lucky one. The reason for buying a mac is because apple hase successfully made you think that if you buy a mac, you are a "creative" person, you are different then the status quo. In actuallity you only pay to have a picture of half an eaten apply on your computer. The hardware is worse the regular computers, and the software is just as prone to attacks and fault as any other OS. With mac/apple, you pay for the brand, nothing more. And the brand is expencive to create the illusion of actually getting something that is above avarage. Apple has pulled quite the impressive marked wizardy.
Colonel Evans	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Krunchy Pod play a game. Originally by: Krunchy Pod on a Mac. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Haha... Oh wait you're serious? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:42:00 - [35] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 05:11:09 stfu already its old trolling. years ago, before you people felt privileged because u took mommy and daddy's CC to buy a "OMG leet gamer rig" there was only consoles, or computer systems that came as is, with no upgradable parts to affix inside it. Im recalling commodore 64, atari 2600, intellivision, NES, and so on. In those days if you wrote code for some software that didnt work on the machine, you were a poor coding company. What are you talking about? No seriously, it's like you have no memory or understanding of past computers. Seriously, what is this load of junk? My first computer... and old IBM 80/88 had options. Some had dual floppies, some had a hard drive. We managed to get one with the 10MB harddrive. After that, you had the start of the x86s, and well, do you have no memory of Shadow RAM, and having seperate boot floppies so you could tell your computer to config the RAM for the game you were playing? Or god forbid... the old days of either EGA, VGA, or Super VGA, or for us so unlocky, Herculese Monochrome graphics? Computers have always been flexible and could be upgraded. The minimum system requirements were always just enough to play the game at a slow, snails pace. I remember playing Xcom on my old 386, and the game taking forever for an enemy's turn. I met the minimum requirements, but it wasn't until a much better 486 that the game functioned at a normal pace. So really, just because you barely meet the minimum requirements doesn't mean the game will perform the same as if you had a better computer. So go get a source of income and instead of trying to blame CCP or complain about fanboys, get money and upgrade your system.
Azureite	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:49:00 - [36] I only have one thing to say: Intellivision was awesome.
Gordon Fell	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:58:00 - [37] Yeah dude, any Mac's that came with a X1600 a FEW YEARS AGO are long done for any serious gaming, including EVE Online. Get a new rig ASAP.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:13:00 - [38] The big problem is that the Mac client comes within a wrapper. The standalone PC EVE client is far from stable, trow in something like wine to turn DX calls into something a Mac OS can understand, you cannot expect it to be even more stable. I always smile when I see my PC counterparts suddenly log off then in minutes log back on with a 'sorry, stupid client'. It happens on both sides. Though the last iteration of CCP's Mac client seems to crash a lot more then before. Hey **** happens. At least it is not as bad (crash) as (crash crash) Tri (crash) nit (crash) y (crash) (hard reboot requirred) was.
Securityalt1	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:18:00 - [39] Edited by: Securityalt1 on 17/06/2010 17:22:12 Originally by: Lindsay Logan The reason for buying a mac is because apple hase successfully made you think that if you buy a mac, you are a "creative" person, you are different then the status quo. In actuallity you only pay to have a picture of half an eaten apply on your computer. The hardware is worse the regular computers, and the software is just as prone to attacks and fault as any other OS. With mac/apple, you pay for the brand, nothing more. And the brand is expencive to create the illusion of actually getting something that is above avarage. Apple has pulled quite the impressive marked wizardy. Yes, I know. Was being sacrastic. Fact is, when an apple crashes, you're worse off then if your Windows pc crashes, as there is little to nothing you can do to fix it, other than taking it to your local (or not so local) apple store. With a Windows pc you can: 1. Fix it yourself 2. Get a friend to fix it 3. Take it to any computer store (apart from the apple store) to get it fixed 4. Send it back to the manufacturer to get it fixed Edit: hit reply to quick. Alt post ftl.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:42:00 - [40] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 17:47:13 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 17:45:52 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 17:42:59 http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7592_102-0.html?threadID=256311 Quote: Integrated circuit chips plugged into sockets, or soldered directly, to boards... Resistors... capacitors... diodes... SATA hard drives from Western Digital or some other manufacturer; DDR or whatever RAM from whatever manufacturer; ATI Radeon or NVIDIA graphics boards... 10/100/1000 baseT copper ethernet, 802.11g or n, standard USB, standard FireWire... Pretty much many of the same items you'll find in any higher-end computer... you all just proved you're faboys for being the arrogant ignorant tards you are and flaming while not knowing that hardware components are basically exactly the same. intel processor, above recommended requirements set by CCP. ram, above recommnded requirements set by CCP. X1600, minimum requirement set by CCP. OSX, above the recommended requirement set by CCP. If the gfx is dated, I should be having lower quality visuals, not constant crashes. If its dated, that means there was that much more time where more support could've been integrated into the software CCP made, yet here we are. I have crashes 50% of the time I quit eve using ctrl+Q or esc -> quit game. these crashes say socket error 50% of the time. the other 50% is "closed to technical problem". Im not the only one getting socket errors. look at the tech forum to see that CCP even made a thread for it, because they know its their problem. Im not the only ojne that see's the catalyst dessie as a few engine fuselages connected by beams of bright white light that is supposed to be the body. I can probably thank the loss fo medium shader for that. I had an SVGA comp with a turbo button that didn't do anything on the front, because the part that could be turbo'd was not installed in the machine. warcraft, karateka, temple of apshai, anyone? maybe the BASIC cartridge to make your own programs on the atari. You've proven by your arrogant and ignorant (of the fact that hardware varies very little to almost not at all) posts that you PC/CCP fanboys are talking at your ass as per usual. have fun with that but I like to call people to account for their poor product. If a book falls apart because of crappy glue, do I blame the fact that it was in a room where the temperature fluctuates because of night and day whereas in the factory it stay s mostly the same? is it my fault they made something that doesn't work in the real world? get a clue. this doesn't belong in MAC or tech because this post isnt about it, its about how you people are idiots. Originally by: Serpents smile The big problem is that the Mac client comes within a wrapper. The standalone PC EVE client is far from stable, trow in something like wine to turn DX calls into something a Mac OS can understand, you cannot expect it to be even more stable. I always smile when I see my PC counterparts suddenly log off then in minutes log back on with a 'sorry, stupid client'. It happens on both sides. Though the last iteration of CCP's Mac client seems to crash a lot more then before. Hey **** happens. At least it is not as bad (crash) as (crash crash) Tri (crash) nit (crash) y (crash) (hard reboot requirred) was. I know, right? and yet the fanboys go "oh its cause mac sucks and u got one cause ur a fool, now let me get back to my crashes on my PC which is totally not CCPS fault cause I'd pleasure them in the backseat of my car if they asked me to do it". The only irony there was that when trinity came out, it was actually rather stable on this MAC. I remember back then the game didnt lag so much, the client was stable (of course that could be because I used the classic client), and the game ran smoother in general. UI lag was also much less. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Amerilia	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Lykouleon Get a decent OS? I dont see how Linux will help in this particular problem, I think it is rather a hardware problem (too old)
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:48:00 - [42] Originally by: Tippia As someone who runs the game fine on four different Macsà àit's not CCP ù it's your system. Pretty much this. If it were CCP you'd see a lot more MAC users on the forums with you., --Vel
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Amerilia Originally by: Lykouleon Get a decent OS? I dont see how Linux will help in this particular problem, I think it is rather a hardware problem (too old) because 2 years is too old.. I have a 7 year old computer that played the game decent before they removed classic client. it was PC. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Zahira Wrath Amarr Dominion Strategic	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:55:00 - [44] They see me trollin They hatin' Patrolling they tryin to catch me writin' dirty Tryin' to catch me writin' dirty
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:02:00 - [45] Couple of things... First off, you catch more flies with Honey than vinigar. Look at your posts OP. You call us fanboys, accuse us of being arrogant, ignorant, and well, basically do nothing but insult everyone. Do you really think that is the best way to get positive or effective responses? I doubt it. Honestly, with a link like that crap about taking our parents CC, well, you're lucky you didn't get a million people simply calling you some rather unpleasant things. As for the... "Im not the only ojne that see's the catalyst dessie as a few engine fuselages connected by beams of bright white light that is supposed to be the body. I can probably thank the loss fo medium shader for that." Um, I've seen this on my PC, which leads me to believe that, well, I know I don't have the best graphics card. Maybe it is time to either play with the lowest crappy settings (I know, it sucks) or get a new card. As for the Classic client issue, well... think about that in this manner... I'm betting that Internet Explorer 6 (or Safari 2 for the Mac users) works faster on an older machine, but it starts to lack all the newer bells and whistles that IE 8 or Safari 5 has. Unfortunately, the web developers start favoring the more advanced browsers because they want to use the new bells and whistles. For the Classic Client, same issue. As things have progressed, the developers wanted to move forward to present better things to us instead of being tied to something older that may have been hampering their ability to provide new features to us.
Sully Tude	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:05:00 - [46] This guy again? Pretty sure he's the same guy who posts moronic threads all day every day, then biomasses his character and starts again after everyone flames him off the forums. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, or something like that. Oh, and stop playing Eve and run Photoshop. That's all Mac's are good for (if even that anymore).
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:19:00 - [47] hi i'm a mac, im the casual guy so im obvious the one people play games on and i can do everything else too hi i'm a PC, i wear a suit so obivously the only thing i can do is MS word and then i get virus's every 2 seconds then die. you fell for advertising, as its kinda the opposite. PC's are for everything mac's are for nothing
akoya89	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:23:00 - [48] Considering i play eve on both my new macbook and pc, both have the same 60fps with everything turned on for empire stuff, your rig is way to old, stop being cheap and upgrade, the X1xxx series is what, 6 years old now?
ChrisIsherwood	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:29:00 - [49] While blaming Graphics card, RAM and ISP are the usual suspects for PCs, I think the transgaming translation layer tends to be the most suggested culprit for Macs. While 80% of the computers sold over $1000 are Macs, not many are used for gaming. Your points are one of the reasons that customers and vendors are, unfortunately, turning to consoles. How many times does a non-technical user struggle with getting all their XP drivers upgraded to working Vista drivers before saying screw it, $200 for a console will make this go away. The growth and focus of the gaming industry currently (things tend to run in cycles) is in consoles and handhelds (DS/PSP,phones,iPhones,iPod,IPad). (What OS will DUST 514 use?) I think the issues you raise are one of the reasons why.
Tuggo Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:34:00 - [50] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 05:11:09 stfu already its old trolling. years ago, before you people felt privileged....blah blah blah...MAC Whaddya mean "you people"? MAC <---found your prob.
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:41:00 - [51] "What OS will DUST 514 use?" I believe they have said this would be a console game(Xbox 360/PS3, don't think anyones said for Wii). And I think the reasoning was more, what can we do to get Eve or an aspect of eve to a larger audience instead of what console/platform would be easiest for us to use.
Kitimortoa	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:53:00 - [52] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 05:11:09 stfu already its old trolling. years ago, before you people felt privileged because u took mommy and daddy's CC to buy a "OMG leet gamer rig" there was only consoles, or computer systems that came as is, with no upgradable parts to affix inside it. Im recalling commodore 64, atari 2600, intellivision, NES, and so on. In those days if you wrote code for some software that didnt work on the machine, you were a poor coding company. fast foward to the forums of Eve circa 2010. If the software doesn't work properly on your machine, "its a conflict of settings on your computer thats a problem", "your computer doesn't have the very short list of parts CCP made support for, so you suck for not buying exactly the computer required for eve online", "its your ISP, not CCPs, ever". get this: I ask about my machine having continuous crashes since tyrannis. The machine in question has exactly the items listed for MAC on the reuqirements section. It has the OS, it has radeon X1600+, it has more than adequate ram and CPU. whats the answer to my dilemma from fanbois? "its not CCP, its your hardware". ZYeah, so CCP say they support thishardware yet it still havs problems and its my fault. load of ****. To you fanboi trolls I say gtfo. thank you. ...then why do all the MAC fanbois always go on and on about MACs never crashing? Get a real computer and stop complaining.
Hecatonis	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:53:00 - [53] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 because 2 years is too old.. I have a 7 year old computer that played the game decent before they removed classic client. it was PC. yes, 2 years is too old because you are using a system that does not play games. the Mac OS does not like games, game makes dont support it because most people do not use it. if you are butt hurt because you spent more on your one system then i have spent on my laptop which plays games well, and desktop that can play games great, then so be it. its not the game its your system. i have never had the eve client crash on me, and i think that i have had 5 crashes between the 2 for the last 2 years i have had each system. its not CCP its your system, if you dont like it get a PC learn to use it and save yourself lots of money. stop listening to Apple's BS of having a better system, because frankly the apple is a cranky baby that only likes to do what it can do, and what it cant do is game without spending ridiculously large amounts of cash
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:55:00 - [54] Oh, and: it's "Mac", as in Macintosh, not MACà Unless it's actually your MAC that's somehow busted, in which case it's not the least bit surprising if your computer is acting up. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Lemming Meringued	Posted - 2010.06.17 19:06:00 - [55] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 17/06/2010 05:11:09 stfu already its old trolling. years ago, before you people felt privileged because u took mommy and daddy's CC to buy a "OMG leet gamer rig" there was only consoles, or computer systems that came as is, with no upgradable parts to affix inside it... I paid for my 'leet gaming rig' and I paid to have my first computer, an amiga 500, upgraded to a whole meg of RAM so I could play the 'leet' games of the time. As such you clearly have no idea what your talking about and should, as such 'stfu'. Macs are for graphics applications PC's are for everything.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.17 19:09:00 - [56] Edited by: Tippia on 17/06/2010 19:09:50 Originally by: Lemming Meringued Macs are for graphics applications PC's are for everything. Nahà more like Macs are for everything, PC:s are for everything, and also DIY. Oh, and as an old Amiga user, I suspect you recognize the arguments made in this this thread from the ones heard back in the day when PC:s suddenly started to scream by the old girlà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Grez M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.17 21:05:00 - [57] Edited by: Grez on 17/06/2010 21:05:23 Here's something. Team Fortress 2 on OSX and a decent machine will net about 70% less performance than the same hardware on a Windows machine. CCP is no different than Valve - they struggle to get performance out of the Mac OS due to how absolutely ABYSMAL the OpenGL drivers are. And when I say abysmal, you have NO idea just how much Apple do not want you gaming on your Mac. If you want to be **ed at someone, be **ed at Apple. Get them to release proper drivers for their GPU's. Cos Apple won't allow ATI, NVidia, Intel, Sis or Matrox to write their own . ---
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.06.17 21:17:00 - [58] The computer I play EVE on today is the same one I built back in...say 2003 or 2004. Even then it was just a mid-range bargain computer. I fail to comprehend how pathetic the computers of all these people complaining must be.
Vult Aliastra	Posted - 2010.06.17 22:16:00 - [59] Edited by: Vult on 17/06/2010 22:16:25 <preflame> The obvious questions... have you updated all drivers, system files, hamsters, etc., to their newest versions to make sure that it's not a software conflict that is caused by CCP's software being more up to date than an older system? Have you un-installed and re-installed to make sure there isn't corrupt data somewhere in the Eve software itself? As an absolute last resort, have you tried re-installing the OS? I know that sucks to do on a Mac, but... again... last resort. </preflame> <flame> Hi, PC fanboy here. Macs + games = bad stuff happening. Macs + people too stupid to know how to use Windows and not get viruses, not corrupt their own operating systems, and general morons gullible enough to fall for casual guy in jeans telling guy in suit that PC's are lame = closed-minded fools unwilling to accept that their operating system is as limited as a pig's ability to fly. Look, it's a proven fact that your X1600 is antiquated. I know ATI has updated driver sets over the years for all of their boards over the years, but you need to understand that the minimum isn't always acceptable. If you gave the absolute minimum at work every day, would your boss be happy with you? Same concept applies... are you happy with your bare minimum system? I'm not saying to buy a brand new Mac... I'm saying buy a brand new PC, save hundreds of dollars, and have the flexibility of fixing it when stuff like this pops up in the future. </flame> --- Time to update my sig... or get it haxx0red by a mod... I totally goat haxx0red your sig - Tirg Yay! A goat lover loves me!
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.06.17 22:24:00 - [60] Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia Couple of things... First off, you catch more flies with Honey than vinigar. Look at your posts OP. You call us fanboys, accuse us of being arrogant, ignorant, and well, basically do nothing but insult everyone. Do you really think that is the best way to get positive or effective responses? I doubt it. Honestly, with a link like that crap about taking our parents CC, well, you're lucky you didn't get a million people simply calling you some rather unpleasant things. I believe the OP likely spends a great deal of time tossing off into a paper towel. And this is another example of one of his hilarious stupid threads. He's not looking for any real help, just looking for another opportunity to treat people badly...
President Not'Sure Shut Up Woman Get On My Horse	Posted - 2010.06.17 23:58:00 - [61] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Wall of text stuff I like how you think minimum requirement means it will run even halfway decently. Anyone with knowledge of computers knows those are almost always BS and you will spend more time waiting for it to load or crashing than you will playing. Also your graphics card was old several years ago. I don't think macs suck but they aren't really designed for playing games, sorry. They are made for graphic design, music editing, and other artistic stuff. They do pretty well at that, because they are designed to do that. They fail at playing games because like many posters have said before me, though you failed to listen, you are using a modified version of WINE to run a client that even on Windows is barely stable. Also, socket closed is a network issue and has nothing to do with your hardware related crashes. You seem to be caught up in some pretty serious nostalgia over the past that you need to snap out of. All computers are not made the same and yesterdays computer is already out of date today.
Rahaer Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 00:33:00 - [62] Originally by: President Not'Sure Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Wall of text stuff I like how you think minimum requirement means it will run even halfway decently. Anyone with knowledge of computers knows those are almost always BS and you will spend more time waiting for it to load or crashing than you will playing. Also your graphics card was old several years ago. I don't think macs suck but they aren't really designed for playing games, sorry. They are made for graphic design, music editing, and other artistic stuff. They do pretty well at that, because they are designed to do that. They fail at playing games because like many posters have said before me, though you failed to listen, you are using a modified version of WINE to run a client that even on Windows is barely stable. Also, socket closed is a network issue and has nothing to do with your hardware related crashes. You seem to be caught up in some pretty serious nostalgia over the past that you need to snap out of. All computers are not made the same and yesterdays computer is already out of date today. This man speaks truth. Macs aren't made for gaming. I use for one EVE and I'm sorry I got myself started because it's not adequate by any means, even above the minimum requirements. ----- DesuSigs by Crumplecorn
Hecatonis	Posted - 2010.06.18 00:43:00 - [63] i think this also needs to be said. you can have a top of the line CPU, motherboard, RAM, but if your video crap is poop then you will bottle neck your system right there. you need a better system, if you would like to stick to a Mac then be ready to shell out a lot more
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.18 07:15:00 - [64] I think this needs to be said: A bit speed bottleneck does not equate to more crashing , just as no bottleneck does not mean horrible code wont crash. its already been stated that the PC version of eve online is buggy already, which in itself is proof that is not MAC but eve itself. which is my point. people go "lol mac" like t he ****ed PC sucking monkeys they are. I prefer PC myself too, for the modularity and my knowledge and ability with running windows OSes, but I have a MAC right now which is nothing I can do about. I having a preference for PC, I still have come to understand the lame mindless bleating that stupid "OMG PC OR BUST one!1!!one!!" users who cream their panties at the thought of bill gates, really is. So when a socket closes, when eve crashes, becase of the fact that eve online windows is buggy and does this too, and when mac users complain, dont tell them that its cause mac sucks, because its ****ed to say it. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Orimei	Posted - 2010.06.18 09:04:00 - [65] Edited by: Orimei on 18/06/2010 09:04:32 So you acknowledge that the Eve client is performing badly (at times) on Windows PC, the system its being developed for. You go ahead on play it on a Mac, a platform not known for "leet gamin exper1anz" How can you not see that bad + bad =/= good ?

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