Originally by: Dark Motoko

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Originally by: Midge Mo'yb

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Edited by: Midge Mo''yb on 17/06/2010 14:23:39

Originally by: Dark Motoko

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Hate to say i told you so..

also, your own alliance have an issue posting there losses ;)

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Originally by: Lt Al3x3i

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i dont have all day to read that ... a summary any 1?

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Originally by: Dark Motoko

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SMA is an entity now larger than us in numbers but greatly deficient in all terms of ability

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Originally by: Dregek

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so dark can i get an updated version of the history of van(run(fail))guard. for me to put on eve-files?

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Originally by: Dark Motoko

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There are those that would say involving ourselves with the NC meant we deserve this kind of outcome, and perhaps they're right. I wanted to find a place where we could earn a small home of our own that could end more than a couple of years of wandering for my guys. This seemed the place. Apparently not.

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Originally by: Coupo

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Originally by: Dark Motoko

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There are those that would say involving ourselves with the NC meant we deserve this kind of outcome, and perhaps they're right. I wanted to find a place where we could earn a small home of our own that could end more than a couple of years of wandering for my guys. This seemed the place. Apparently not.

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You might not like the idea but shoot me a convo ingame when im online I will sort you out with space to live in.

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Originally by: Facepalm

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Territorial issues within a coalition are normal and expected, especially considering your organization's "new" status and the fact that there's naturally going to be a need for rearrangement and reorganization post-MAX 2. Handing your turf over to the enemy instead of reaching some kind of diplomatic solution (even if an accord can't be met and the most equitable solution is you leaving the coalition) seems immature imo.

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Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan

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So much for "guest" status?

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Originally by: FrFrmPukin

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Edited by: FrFrmPukin on 17/06/2010 22:13:43
There is a word that we have for your combat pilots that we see in the pocket down here and that is "Unicorn". Since unicorns are very rare and you never see them. Seeing your pilots is like seeing a unicorn. Your ran during the SC invasion and left the pocket and tore everything down and let reds put up towers in your systems without reporting them up. Everytime you failed we we were rewarded for toughing it out and cleaning up your messes. Why should you guys get systems if you are not going to protect them? We tried to work deals out with you guys, MH and the NC. However, your constant bs like the last move you just pulled was the reason for us getting the pocket. We could have worked something out with you and your corps and pilots, but handing them over to the reds was nothing less than pure aggresion not to just SMA but to the NC that has protected those system for the most part during the invasion. So I guess two wrongs do make a right??? Yeah, real mature. Go ride your unicorns in your imaginary world and we will clean up your mess, as usual. Oh and btw, we did help you kick IAC and Darkpide out of the pocket as well. I think your the one with the memory loss and the inability to count. I do believe that SMA had more numbers in those fights than Vanguard, and the NC had more than both of us combined. So don't say you took that pocket all by yourself. We have bleed just as much ships and time holding that pocket and going in on the NC fleets during all the invasions. If you were actually in pocket you would already know this. Your the biggest unicorn of all, so be like every other unicorn and disappear silently into the night. This chapter in your magical world is over.

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Originally by: FreakishDude

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For those that didn't actually know what was going on in the area.. We attempted to work with the rare 10 unicorns in the pocket as we have the whole time in being in the area. For those that did know about Vanguard falling back after losing a large amount of their members due to their fallback during the SC invasion.. That can only be pinned on the leadership itself. They made a bad move and their members felt it was a cowardly decision. Hence the reason Vanguard has done nothing but shrink in size since then. As far as SMA is concerned.. We've done a fair share and I'm so happy you'd like to leave that little bit out. Other than that, good luck out there.

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Originally by: FreakishDude

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For those that didn't actually know what was going on in the area.. We attempted to work with the rare 10 unicorns in the pocket as we have the whole time in being in the area. For those that did know about Vanguard falling back after losing a large amount of their members due to their fallback during the SC invasion.. That can only be pinned on the leadership itself. They made a bad move and their members felt it was a cowardly decision. Hence the reason Vanguard has done nothing but shrink in size since then. As far as SMA is concerned.. We've done a fair share and I'm so happy you'd like to leave that little bit out. Other than that, good luck out there.

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Originally by: FrFrmPukin

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Edited by: FrFrmPukin on 17/06/2010 22:13:43
Oh and btw, we did help you kick IAC and Darkpide out of the pocket as well. I think your the one with the memory loss and the inability to count. I do believe that SMA had more numbers in those fights than Vanguard, and the NC had more than both of us combined. So don't say you took that pocket all by yourself. We have bleed just as much ships and time holding that pocket and going in on the NC fleets during all the invasions.

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Originally by: FreakishDude

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Unless you know what's going on in the pocket, then you have no right to speak here. Thank you good sir.

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Originally by: Edna Sputum

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Sorry to hear things went **** up for you.

Unfortunately leaving as you did, handing sov over to your current blues enemies will burn you in the long run.

You've shown what you're willing to do if people don't treat you right, and every other alliance out there that may take you in will be faced with wondering if they could trust you won't do the same to them if you do part ways.

And, it has nothing to do with whether or not you were justified...

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Originally by: Edna Sputum

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Sorry to hear things went **** up for you.

Unfortunately leaving as you did, handing sov over to your current blues enemies will burn you in the long run.

You've shown what you're willing to do if people don't treat you right, and every other alliance out there that may take you in will be faced with wondering if they could trust you won't do the same to them if you do part ways.

And, it has nothing to do with whether or not you were justified...

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Originally by: FreakishDude

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JonasML, let me know when your unicorns show up to anything ever again.. Oh nevermind. you guys failed long ago when Pasen left. He was the only thing keeping your guys afloat. yay for keyboard warriors!

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Originally by: FreakishDude

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JonasML, let me know when your unicorns show up to anything ever again.. Oh nevermind. you guys failed long ago when Pasen left. He was the only thing keeping your guys afloat. yay for keyboard warriors!

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Originally by: BlueMajere

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this is like watching two special olympics kids fight

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Originally by: FreakishDude

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Edited by: FreakishDude on 18/06/2010 01:48:22
Unless you know what's going on in the pocket, then you have no right to speak here.....

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Originally by: JonasML

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Edited by: JonasML on 18/06/2010 03:00:25

Originally by: Edna Sputum

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Sorry to hear things went **** up for you.

Unfortunately leaving as you did, handing sov over to your current blues enemies will burn you in the long run.

You've shown what you're willing to do if people don't treat you right, and every other alliance out there that may take you in will be faced with wondering if they could trust you won't do the same to them if you do part ways.

And, it has nothing to do with whether or not you were justified...

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It has nothing to do with "being treated right". It has to do with the value of someone's word. How can the NC be BFF if you can't be sure someone won't stick a knife in the second you turn around? We learned first hand what their word was worth when they screwed us not once but twice, and then offered to alter their agreements with their other guests, displacing them from areas they had been given.

Perhaps when your corp was in the drone regions this is how things were done, but after more than 2 years in NC affiliated alliances, I have never, EVER, seen behaviour like this. I've seen regions burn down, like during the Max campaign when tri assaulted vale, NC was busy holding the line at tribute. Saw D2 fall in Tenal and Venal from bob so long ago (really does seem like ages lol. I've seen reds turn blue and blues turn red, adn then back and forth again, but at the core of it all there was some understanding that if you gave your word on something, you kept it. Might not be easy, might even require some compromise, but not a single exec from MH can come on here and say that Vanguard tried otherwise, that we weren't willing to work something out to the benefit of all. And that speaks to itself. SMA reps are full of ****.

Hey Freakish Dude, I notice your comment the other day when ROL killed your TCU in j-ok, was somethign to the effect of "It's only a TCU, have 20 more lol"......didn't see any other smartass remarks when you heard the ROL sov was starting up though. /how long you think you can hold 6gw before they take it too? Me thinks you should spend less time in forums and more getting your fleets together, heard the one you brought to the NC CTA was ****, what 7 guys, all in t1 ships under bc? lol

**edit to the post, I just want to clarify that when I say "their word" at the beginning of the post, it refers primarily to MH, from what I've seen all the other NC members are pretty standup guys to me.**

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Originally by: ChaeDoc II

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Good luck to a good alliance.

Don't remember reading as many gl wishes from CAOD readers to a reset thread (i've not read many though). Says alot for the respect people have for such a respectful and mature alliance.

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Originally by: Adelphie

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I hear geminate is nice at this time of year if you need a new home.

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Originally by: Larofeticus

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I was in Vanguard, and during that time I had fun. I missed the initial conquering of KQV, but I enjoyed living in Venal (except for the damn long warp in 9-2) and fighting Circle of Two. Though, that "reimbursement" program wasn't worth anywhere near the amount of alliance tax it cost.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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:facepalm:

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Originally by: white kight

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Edited by: white kight on 18/06/2010 13:51:59
Props and GL to VG for leaving the NC. But SMA must really be horribly terrible if you outclass them in every way.

Edit - Must read thread harder, someone else said almost the same thing

BTW Hai Pasen

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Originally by: baltec1

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Ratting patrol

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Originally by: Larofeticus

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Originally by: baltec1

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Ratting patrol

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Oh is that what you called it? Seemed to me like you guys were having a competition to see who could lose the most curses and hurricanes near 6NJ.

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Originally by: FrFrmPukin

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Edited by: FrFrmPukin on 17/06/2010 22:13:43
There is a word that we have for your combat pilots that we see in the pocket down here and that is "Unicorn". Since unicorns are very rare and you never see them. Seeing your pilots is like seeing a unicorn. Your ran during the SC invasion and left the pocket and tore everything down and let reds put up towers in your systems without reporting them up. Everytime you failed we we were rewarded for toughing it out and cleaning up your messes. Why should you guys get systems if you are not going to protect them? We tried to work deals out with you guys, MH and the NC. However, your constant bs like the last move you just pulled was the reason for us getting the pocket. We could have worked something out with you and your corps and pilots, but handing them over to the reds was nothing less than pure aggresion not to just SMA but to the NC that has protected those system for the most part during the invasion. So I guess two wrongs do make a right??? Yeah, real mature. Go ride your unicorns in your imaginary world and we will clean up your mess, as usual. Oh and btw, we did help you kick IAC and Darkpide out of the pocket as well. I think your the one with the memory loss and the inability to count. I do believe that SMA had more numbers in those fights than Vanguard, and the NC had more than both of us combined. So don't say you took that pocket all by yourself. We have bleed just as much ships and time holding that pocket and going in on the NC fleets during all the invasions. If you were actually in pocket you would already know this. Your the biggest unicorn of all, so be like every other unicorn and disappear silently into the night. This chapter in your magical world is over.

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Originally by: Elftor

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Wanna know how you suck? Vanguard calls you bad.

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Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil

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Originally by: Elftor

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Wanna know how you suck? Vanguard calls you bad.

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True story, if ever there was one...

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Originally by: Pasen Haas

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Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil

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Originally by: Elftor

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Wanna know how you suck? Vanguard calls you bad.

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True story, if ever there was one...

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I, too, have nothing remotely interesting or original to say.

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Originally by: FrFrmPukin

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Pasen.. you and your guys where awesome in VG. You guys are the smart ones and left VG and now we all have experienced why. None of what anybody has posted here by SMA was directed towards you and your efforts. I am sure the intentions and goals of VG were the same as SMA and the NC. I am sure at one time VG was honorable. However, ever since you left VG, everything has gone down hill for them and blamed most of their down fall on SMA and the NC. I can give you my word that every effort was exhausted to resolve things with VG and their remaining corps prior to any aggression. They just didn't stick the knife in SMA's back, but the NC's. Everyone knows that participation dictates almost everything, especially during invasions. Unless you have really deep pockets of course. Either way, they had more options than what Darkmot**** posted and we have been working for an acceptable agreement on both sides for a long time. I can't sit here and let VG play the victim card, because that wasn't what happened at all. You know as well as I do, that all their pvp'ers went with you and the rest of VG became or were unicorns. That's why you left. Sorry if I offended you an any way. Normally, I don't post on these boards, but like I said, I couldn't let VG play the "oh poor me" card and whine to the rest of EVE on how they got the short end of the stick when that wasn't true. They self imploded with greed and pointed the fingers at everyone else besides themselves. Proof was in the pudding when they just handed their systems over to reds. If they didn't want SMA to have the systems they could have handed them over to anyone else in the NC. Again, sorry Pasen, you know us monkeys love you.

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Dark was mistaken, J-O was not handed over to ROL, SMA LOST J-O. Sov was taken down, and the TCU removed, the IHUB was sold to SMA, so they were aware that they needed to gain sov. SMA put a TCU up, and did not defend it. ROL came in, blew it up (as you can see on the SMA killboard) and then took j-o from SMA.

On the 12th, SMA put up bubbles with the intent of trapping vanguard members so ROL would kill them. Also, they wanted to provoke vanguard into blowing them up so SMA could claim vanguard attacked first.[we did do this after we gtfo'd, and man it was lots of fun!] Skankella had a field day on SMA cause of those bubbles, and ended up getting 2 vanguard as well. At this point SMA was as much of an enemy as ROL, so handing sov to either of them was the same. The only difference is, SMA was being personal about it.

Notice dark's timestamp announcing the reset, then go look at either vanguard's or sma's killboard. SMA was attacking vanguard before the reset was even announced, let alone reset. And only 1 of those 3 ships could of actually been the aggressor.

SMA did not hold the pocket while vanguard was busy trying to help against the SC attack, they sat there and ratted. The only reason those systems weren't touched was because they didn't matter. SC went in there, blew up the JB's then left. How many red pos's did you prevent going up or kill after the fact? How many blue POS's did you save in the pocket? What single thing did you accomplish the entire time vanguard was doing things that matter?

Or do you think molle went "well we need to get a foothold, ooooh, vanguard left j-o unprotected, I guess we should...uh oh, SMA is there, on second thought we should hit h-w". Way to single handedly save all of pureblind.

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Originally by: Rythan III

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DEAR GOD, use the enter key now and then.

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Originally by: Edna Sputum

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My point being that all you've got is your word in this game and if you did hand off SOV to ROL instead of just leaving that will follow you around.

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Originally by: FrFrmPukin

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Edited by: FrFrmPukin on 17/06/2010 22:13:43
There is a word that we have for your combat pilots that we see in the pocket down here and that is "Unicorn". Since unicorns are very rare and you never see them. Seeing your pilots is like seeing a unicorn. Your ran during the SC invasion and left the pocket and tore everything down and let reds put up towers in your systems without reporting them up. Everytime you failed we we were rewarded for toughing it out and cleaning up your messes. Why should you guys get systems if you are not going to protect them? We tried to work deals out with you guys, MH and the NC. However, your constant bs like the last move you just pulled was the reason for us getting the pocket. We could have worked something out with you and your corps and pilots, but handing them over to the reds was nothing less than pure aggresion not to just SMA but to the NC that has protected those system for the most part during the invasion. So I guess two wrongs do make a right??? Yeah, real mature. Go ride your unicorns in your imaginary world and we will clean up your mess, as usual. Oh and btw, we did help you kick IAC and Darkpide out of the pocket as well. I think your the one with the memory loss and the inability to count. I do believe that SMA had more numbers in those fights than Vanguard, and the NC had more than both of us combined. So don't say you took that pocket all by yourself. We have bleed just as much ships and time holding that pocket and going in on the NC fleets during all the invasions. If you were actually in pocket you would already know this. Your the biggest unicorn of all, so be like every other unicorn and disappear silently into the night. This chapter in your magical world is over.

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Originally by: Wietkop

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I'n all fairnes regarding to SMA.

ive been in vanguard during the claim over the KDV pocket ive lost schips protecting and claiming assets. ive been on several roams against Red Army IAc and ROL trying to beat them back. and i got to say regards to the unicorn comment you my friends in SMA are holding that flag. the only pilots ive seen from SMA were either mining on plexing in your own personal space in MT-9 were you had bubbeled down evry gate so you wont be disturb in your empire buisnis in a 0.0 system.

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Originally by: FrFrmPukin

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Well, that person should remain anonymous since that history lesson is only half right. I don't know what Dark told you guys what happened, but he definitely is the master spinster. You guys need to stop playing the victim card. You guys took an aggressive posture against us and we told MH and the NC everything we were doing and why when it came to the bubbles. Dark threatened to take the pocket via force so we took a DEFENSIVE posture. We didn't start shooting you guys until you guys physically handed over KDV to ROL. Anyways, you guys are gone. Good riddance. Now I have even more reason to hate unicorns.

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Originally by: stevieisbest

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i can deffinately agree with the comment(s) about vanguard being terrible

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Originally by: FrFrmPukin

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Pasen.. you and your guys where awesome in VG. You guys are the smart ones and left VG and now we all have experienced why. None of what anybody has posted here by SMA was directed towards you and your efforts. I am sure the intentions and goals of VG were the same as SMA and the NC. I am sure at one time VG was honorable. However, ever since you left VG, everything has gone down hill for them and blamed most of their down fall on SMA and the NC. I can give you my word that every effort was exhausted to resolve things with VG and their remaining corps prior to any aggression. They just didn't stick the knife in SMA's back, but the NC's. Everyone knows that participation dictates almost everything, especially during invasions. Unless you have really deep pockets of course. Either way, they had more options than what Darkmot**** posted and we have been working for an acceptable agreement on both sides for a long time. I can't sit here and let VG play the victim card, because that wasn't what happened at all. You know as well as I do, that all their pvp'ers went with you and the rest of VG became or were unicorns. That's why you left. Sorry if I offended you an any way. Normally, I don't post on these boards, but like I said, I couldn't let VG play the "oh poor me" card and whine to the rest of EVE on how they got the short end of the stick when that wasn't true. They self imploded with greed and pointed the fingers at everyone else besides themselves. Proof was in the pudding when they just handed their systems over to reds. If they didn't want SMA to have the systems they could have handed them over to anyone else in the NC. Again, sorry Pasen, you know us monkeys love you.

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Originally by: Larofeticus

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Originally by: baltec1

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Ratting patrol

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Oh is that what you called it? Seemed to me like you guys were having a competition to see who could lose the most curses and hurricanes near 6NJ.

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Originally by: VonZeppelin

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Good evening Vanguard.,

there is an additional reason to joining Vanguard. which is that the American Pasen Haas has left Vanguard. Due to his mediocre skill of not calling primary, secondary and tertiary properly, many fleet battles of Vanguard have been lost. Note that the participation of Vanguard. members in Vanguard fleets is average, such that daily fleet battles were not possible. "Roaming into several 0.0 regions near our present location should provide plenty of entertainment for us at any rate." enjoy your new roaming gangs.

Yours sincerely,
VonZeppelin

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Originally by: Pasen Haas

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Originally by: VonZeppelin

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Good evening Vanguard.,

there is an additional reason to joining Vanguard. which is that the American Pasen Haas has left Vanguard. Due to his mediocre skill of not calling primary, secondary and tertiary properly, many fleet battles of Vanguard have been lost. Note that the participation of Vanguard. members in Vanguard fleets is average, such that daily fleet battles were not possible. "Roaming into several 0.0 regions near our present location should provide plenty of entertainment for us at any rate." enjoy your new roaming gangs.

Yours sincerely,
VonZeppelin

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So remember how you were an idiot?

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Originally by: stevieisbest

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pretty sure we spanked them left and right up in outer ring.

it got to the point where they wouldn't engage us with their 60+ bs fleets against our 25 man bs fleets.

yeaaa we won that war

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Originally by: Midge Mo'yb

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Originally by: Pasen Haas

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So remember how you were an idiot?

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as much as i hate to agree with you

he was indeed a ****ing idiot

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Originally by: IntegralHellsing

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Vanguard. goes on roam?! WHAT?! (remembers Vanguard. back in Outer Ring in 4C-B7X playing station games until they had twice or triple the number + capital support)

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Originally by: JonasML

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Originally by: Facepalm

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making us a bunch of hippocrates.

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Hippocrates was a greek doctor, Hypocrites are people who contradict themselves

Sorry to be a grammar **** but anyway, good luck in the future!
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Originally by: baltec1

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Originally by: IntegralHellsing

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Vanguard. goes on roam?! WHAT?! (remembers Vanguard. back in Outer Ring in 4C-B7X playing station games until they had twice or triple the number + capital support)

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Yes, they have picked up some bad habbits from the NC.

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