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Xia Green
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:34:00 -
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Hi there, this may be just my thought's or a general view.
First the "WORM", nice to have but the ship still lacks it's faction kick.
IMO the gallente skill should have a 5 M/bit sec per level as well so it can utilize the drone bay properly and use 5 Medium drones instead of 5/5 light drones.
This ship lacks the special tag unlike it's faction counter parts (I.E the Dramiel) and disapointing how a Gallente T2 frig does it better.
Second ship the "HAWK", shouldn't really need to explain this one.
Dps and tank of a dead rat, just bit of a expensive shuttle.
Needs a bit of reinventing, my first idea would be lose a launcher slot or two for a assult launcher bouns.
Now for "ROCKETS" (Match sticks).
Well these don't even come close to blaster's/auto cannon's/ lazers, good for shooting drones and thats about it.
My thoughts are here, feel free to rip it apart or agree and i hope a member of creators put a stamp on this aswell.
Thanks for your time
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Ottersmacker
Dust 515
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Xia Green
the "HAWK", shouldn't really need to explain this one.
[02:19:59] CuttleMoose > the ability to deal consistant dps from range without the constraints of optimal and fallof which limit the pvp power of turret based warships, the hawk is the perfect platform for any pilot seeking to anihilate his foes
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Xia Green
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Xia Green on 18/06/2010 17:50:55
Yeah there is range, but it still lacks.
Fitting it with standard launchers puts a strain on cpu,power grid to make a effective range boat.
Anyone else that has thoughts about any of thier ships etc, feel free to voice it here and make your self feel better at least 
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 18/06/2010 18:35:30
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[02:19:59] CuttleMoose > the ability to deal consistant dps from range without the constraints of optimal and fallof which limit the pvp power of turret based warships, the hawk is the perfect platform for any pilot seeking to anihilate his foes
Truly the words of someone who has never actually used one.
The Hawk is absolute crap. The range advantage is negated by the fact its range is purely an on-paper figure, and the dps it does is nothing short of comedy.
Once rockets are fixed the DPS will at least be passable, but as for the bonus; change it to shield resist or something that doesn't suck.
Oh yeah and buff the CPU.
And I totally agree about the Worm. Additionally: it really could use a CPU boost. That little on a shield tanked missile boat is ridiculous.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Xia Green
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:58:00 -
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Thanks Duchess, these are real simple changes compared to revaping the looks of ships (not complaining on that tho),
would be nice to hear from ccp about these's frig's and rockets, ask anyone in eve about rockets and the reply is "Rockets are BROKEN".
Make eve a better place, listen to the people.
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Yasmine Grey
Caldari
Machtpolitik
THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:05:00 -
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Yep, rockets ARE broken.
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UrMomLvsEmo
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:10:00 -
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i've tried fitting a hawk for days and no matter how it's fitted the ship just ****ing blows. If you take out the propulsion system it makes it a HUGE tank, but then it loses all mobility which is counter productive to a frigate.
The ship needs either a fix for rockets which i doubt ccp will do after reading countless threads or completely change the ship.
This is the hawk fit i will try in pvp just for ****s and giggles:
(i dont have eft now, but this is from my memory):
(fast hawk)
Overdrive Injector II
Ballistic Control II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Coreli C type AB
Gisti B type small shield booster
Invulnerability field II
Arbalest standard x 4 (or the tech II standard if they fit, if that doesn't fit Rocket launcher II)
Rigs: Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
makes the ship fast and have a huge tank. The idea is to outlast your opponent since your dps blows no matter what.
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whanaus
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:10:00 -
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as a Proud Caldari Pilot who just happens to own a Hawk, I can tell you it is likley the worst of the T2 Frigs... Sure you can ocasionaly dictate range but your damage output even with maxed out missle skills is well Pathetic. Fixing Rockets so they arn't such total and utter Crap would make it atleast a Viable ship against the likes of the Wolf (which we all know is the king of the Assult Frigs). That or change it up so it can use 3 assult launchers.
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RedJudgement
Gallente
Machtpolitik
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:20:00 -
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Rockets are broken, If there was a bold statement from ccp saying tough **** then that would at least be something.
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hope for the best
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Tanaka Reina
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Posted - 2010.06.19 07:37:00 -
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Caldari navy hookbill has some uses because of the sheer speed and lots of middle slots(even one seen in AT8), but because of the rocket damage it just isnt something you should use for anything if you have access to other ships, its a 30million shuttle.
Hawk? heh :D kestrel might be fun, but still, come on. all caldari frigs suck against other frigs because they cant do enough damage. only Harpy really works.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:27:00 -
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all caldari frigs suck against other frigs because they cant do enough damage
Bit of an exaggeration there. SML Kestrel has unholy volley damage and the Merlin is underrated.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Capita List
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Posted - 2010.06.19 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
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all caldari frigs suck against other frigs because they cant do enough damage
Bit of an exaggeration there. SML Kestrel has unholy volley damage and the Merlin is underrated.
And a non-fail-fit punisher, rifter, or really any other frigate can laugh that "unholy" damage while it rips the offending caldari lolship to pieces. Seriously, i've been down the caldari frigate lane in the past (i'm sure a lot of us have, thinking we could find something others haven't, or that we were better pilots and could make up the diffirence). It's an exaggerated point in some cases, but in frigate warfare it's not far off the mark at all.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.19 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 19/06/2010 18:00:46
And by non-failfit you mean, what? If it has a MWD fair enough, but a lot don't, and those are a comedy fight. They all died horribly before they got close enough.
The Kestrel "works", albeit a bit more situationally than some, and the Merlin is fine if you can fit it properly. Would certainly be nice to have a bit more CPU though.
Hawk and Crow are in the worst shape right now.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Capita List
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 19/06/2010 18:00:46
And by non-failfit you mean, what? If it has a MWD fair enough, but a lot don't, and those are a comedy fight. They all died horribly before they got close enough.
The Kestrel "works", albeit a bit more situationally than some, and the Merlin is fine if you can fit it properly. Would certainly be nice to have a bit more CPU though.
Hawk and Crow are in the worst shape right now.
An empty oil filter "works" to filter coffee too, that doesn't mean that nearly every other concievable option.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 22:19:00 -
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CCP has acknowledged before that rockets are broken, and that they were gonna fix them. They just never did..
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.20 03:10:00 -
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CCP took all the good stats from Caldari frigs and put them into the Caracal/Drake/Scorpion.
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Xia Green
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Xia Green on 20/06/2010 10:51:36
Still want a CCP to coment on this in this topic, If these issue's are not going to be looked into then at least i know when to give up.
Cross training can't be considered for the waste of time already used and i don't think a pertition for swaping caldari skill's for decent race going to go to far 
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xia Green
Edited by: Xia Green on 20/06/2010 10:51:36
Still want a CCP to coment on this in this topic, If these issue's are not going to be looked into then at least i know when to give up.
... Take a look at the test server forum sometime. The rocket thread there is over a year old and at last count 26 pages long, and has had no word from CCP in quite a long time.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.20 15:20:00 -
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Well, I'm not the veteran that a lot of people here are, but from everything I have seen and learned since '08, rockets are the biggest IMBA in this game. I fly Minmatar but cross trained Caldari so I could fly a Drake and someday Raven. It would really be nice to have a viable rocket build someday for at least one of the other ships I can fly.
Variety is the spice of life IMHO.
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KoffeeKup
Caldari
Adderberry
Sspectre
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Posted - 2010.06.21 23:20:00 -
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Everyone i have spoken to on the topic of Caldari ships has a few things to say.....
They suck, the ships are terrible, rockets and missiles are a joke, and you would be better off training for any other race.
I find this frustrating as every description of caldari ships says something about the awesome power and devastation and great ewar, and every time i try to fit one i get nothing but **** across the board. All caldari ships need more cap, more power grid and maybe some more cpu. And it would be nice if with even full stats i could fit a caldari ship other than the drake with enough dps and tank to survive pvp. i know i suck, but half of my problems would be solved if i could actually fit tech 2 launchers or turrets and still have enough powergrid and cpu for a tank. i find it completly ******ed that all my shield equipment goes into a medium slot along with my ewar and that even when caldari have some of the smallest ships im slow as hell. If caldari have such advanced shield and power systems, why then do all caldari ships lack in those areas?
I feel CCP needs to listen to the people playing the game and inspect the ships and either just give a formal "**** You, we don't care" to caldari pilots or do a complete overhaul of caldari ships and their associated weapons (i.e. Rockets, Missiles and Hybrids) and fix it. I really don't care that we are better in group pvp or amazing on missions, i would just like Caldari to be up to par with the rest of the games ships when it comes to pvp.
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Alec Freeman
Minmatar
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.22 01:02:00 -
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Now i know im going to be shouted at by the many thousands of caldari sheep out there but.. seriously caldari AFs are broken and DONT NEED FIXXED. Caldari top field in BCs, PvE BSs, stealth bombers and many more ship classes i cant be assed listing right now. Now if you want a AF crosstrain to Minmatar or Gallente like everyone else has to do to get the Raven / Drake / Tengu.
Please CCP dont make caldari better than they already are.
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Ker'zu D'wa
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alec Freeman
Now i know im going to be shouted at by the many thousands of caldari sheep out there but.. seriously caldari AFs are broken and DONT NEED FIXXED. Caldari top field in BCs, PvE BSs, stealth bombers and many more ship classes i cant be assed listing right now. Now if you want a AF crosstrain to Minmatar or Gallente like everyone else has to do to get the Raven / Drake / Tengu.
Please CCP dont make caldari better than they already are.
PVE is serious business brah. That's definitely what we're talkin about right...?
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 22/06/2010 03:21:11
Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 22/06/2010 03:20:46
Originally by: Tanaka Reina
Caldari navy hookbill has some uses because of the sheer speed and lots of middle slots(even one seen in AT8), but because of the rocket damage it just isnt something you should use for anything if you have access to other ships, its a 30million shuttle.
Like many others, I have a minor ship collection hobby. I also have more than enough LP to pick up a Hookbill whenever I damn well please. But I can't justify it. I just can't. I mean, I use my Slicers. I've at least run a few missions in a Firetail and a Comet. I've even gotten fond of my Worm (believe me, nothing rips through the SoE arc like a faction fit Worm) despite the fact that it basically sucks (although the Cruor and the Succubus don't get enough grief as is). But the Hookbill? What, is this supposed to be the rocket fix incarnate? Because that's about all it can do well.
Having said that, the Caracal, Navy Caracal, Cerberus, Drake, (PvE) Nighthawk, and even the Moa are fine ships. Edit: I somehow left the Blackbird, Falcon, and Rook off that list the first time around. I don't really do BSs, but I can't find a major hole in the lineup; they're actually three different ships that play three different roles and can actually play them well.
So yeah, fix rockets. Fix hybrids in general, but don't overdo it; balancing Caldari and Gallente bonuses especially wrt to blasters is going to be tricky. Otherwise I don't see any other real problems with the Caldari lineup other than the ubiquitous "but you could beat any of the frigs in a Rifter" thing, but that's the subject of another thread on the first page so I'm not going there.
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Byuk Gho
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:43:00 -
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If this is really such a huge issue for all of you, God forbid, crosstrain to Minmatar and get the Wolf or the Jaguar.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.22 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Byuk Gho
If this is really such a huge issue for all of you, God forbid, crosstrain to Minmatar and get the Wolf or the Jaguar.
Are you always useless, or was today a special day? The solution to rockets being worthless is to get rockets fixed.
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HalogenWraith
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.22 06:02:00 -
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While you guys are busy fixing rockets (heh), you may as well change rockets' description in the info window:
"Not really intended as a primary weapon but rather as a cheap supplementary weapon system."
Well, clearly you got that part right: it doesn't work as a primary weapons system!
If that's the case, then why do SO many ships use rockets as their primary weapon, anyway? Perhaps the description should read, "Designed as a primary weapon and used by a great number of ships, rockets nevertheless suck and are universally hated by everyone."
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Backho
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:34:00 -
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And how many rifters can be disabled by a single kitsune on full ladar.
And how many rifters can even close in to a flock of kestrels and the above.
Play by your strengths.
Just because scissors always loses to stone in rock paper scissors, doesnt mean stone is overpowered.
Choose the game that gives you the advantage.
Choose the option that gives you the advantage.
Brains are supposed to be used.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:14:00 -
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Rockets are laughably terrible and need a huge fix. This is nothing exactly new.
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marie blueprint
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Posted - 2010.06.22 13:04:00 -
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ccp nerfed rockets and missile a few patches ago they now work like ccp wants them to witch is not worth a crap!! so dont hold your breath for a fix train blasters or lasers and move on
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.06.22 13:36:00 -
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As a caldari lover I am going to go against the grain and say that rockets need to stay broken for balance reason.
Caldari already has the best Recon/BC/T3
Haven't gone against enough command ships to compare and contrast.
*I'm a newbie.
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