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Xia Green
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:34:00 -
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Hi there, this may be just my thought's or a general view.
First the "WORM", nice to have but the ship still lacks it's faction kick.
IMO the gallente skill should have a 5 M/bit sec per level as well so it can utilize the drone bay properly and use 5 Medium drones instead of 5/5 light drones.
This ship lacks the special tag unlike it's faction counter parts (I.E the Dramiel) and disapointing how a Gallente T2 frig does it better.
Second ship the "HAWK", shouldn't really need to explain this one.
Dps and tank of a dead rat, just bit of a expensive shuttle.
Needs a bit of reinventing, my first idea would be lose a launcher slot or two for a assult launcher bouns.
Now for "ROCKETS" (Match sticks).
Well these don't even come close to blaster's/auto cannon's/ lazers, good for shooting drones and thats about it.
My thoughts are here, feel free to rip it apart or agree and i hope a member of creators put a stamp on this aswell.
Thanks for your time
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Ottersmacker
Dust 515
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Xia Green
the "HAWK", shouldn't really need to explain this one.
[02:19:59] CuttleMoose > the ability to deal consistant dps from range without the constraints of optimal and fallof which limit the pvp power of turret based warships, the hawk is the perfect platform for any pilot seeking to anihilate his foes
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Xia Green
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Xia Green on 18/06/2010 17:50:55
Yeah there is range, but it still lacks.
Fitting it with standard launchers puts a strain on cpu,power grid to make a effective range boat.
Anyone else that has thoughts about any of thier ships etc, feel free to voice it here and make your self feel better at least 
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 18/06/2010 18:35:30
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[02:19:59] CuttleMoose > the ability to deal consistant dps from range without the constraints of optimal and fallof which limit the pvp power of turret based warships, the hawk is the perfect platform for any pilot seeking to anihilate his foes
Truly the words of someone who has never actually used one.
The Hawk is absolute crap. The range advantage is negated by the fact its range is purely an on-paper figure, and the dps it does is nothing short of comedy.
Once rockets are fixed the DPS will at least be passable, but as for the bonus; change it to shield resist or something that doesn't suck.
Oh yeah and buff the CPU.
And I totally agree about the Worm. Additionally: it really could use a CPU boost. That little on a shield tanked missile boat is ridiculous.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Xia Green
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:58:00 -
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Thanks Duchess, these are real simple changes compared to revaping the looks of ships (not complaining on that tho),
would be nice to hear from ccp about these's frig's and rockets, ask anyone in eve about rockets and the reply is "Rockets are BROKEN".
Make eve a better place, listen to the people.
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Yasmine Grey
Caldari
Machtpolitik
THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:05:00 -
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Yep, rockets ARE broken.
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UrMomLvsEmo
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:10:00 -
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i've tried fitting a hawk for days and no matter how it's fitted the ship just ****ing blows. If you take out the propulsion system it makes it a HUGE tank, but then it loses all mobility which is counter productive to a frigate.
The ship needs either a fix for rockets which i doubt ccp will do after reading countless threads or completely change the ship.
This is the hawk fit i will try in pvp just for ****s and giggles:
(i dont have eft now, but this is from my memory):
(fast hawk)
Overdrive Injector II
Ballistic Control II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Coreli C type AB
Gisti B type small shield booster
Invulnerability field II
Arbalest standard x 4 (or the tech II standard if they fit, if that doesn't fit Rocket launcher II)
Rigs: Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
makes the ship fast and have a huge tank. The idea is to outlast your opponent since your dps blows no matter what.
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whanaus
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:10:00 -
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as a Proud Caldari Pilot who just happens to own a Hawk, I can tell you it is likley the worst of the T2 Frigs... Sure you can ocasionaly dictate range but your damage output even with maxed out missle skills is well Pathetic. Fixing Rockets so they arn't such total and utter Crap would make it atleast a Viable ship against the likes of the Wolf (which we all know is the king of the Assult Frigs). That or change it up so it can use 3 assult launchers.
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RedJudgement
Gallente
Machtpolitik
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:20:00 -
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Rockets are broken, If there was a bold statement from ccp saying tough **** then that would at least be something.
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hope for the best
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Tanaka Reina
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Posted - 2010.06.19 07:37:00 -
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Caldari navy hookbill has some uses because of the sheer speed and lots of middle slots(even one seen in AT8), but because of the rocket damage it just isnt something you should use for anything if you have access to other ships, its a 30million shuttle.
Hawk? heh :D kestrel might be fun, but still, come on. all caldari frigs suck against other frigs because they cant do enough damage. only Harpy really works.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:27:00 -
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all caldari frigs suck against other frigs because they cant do enough damage
Bit of an exaggeration there. SML Kestrel has unholy volley damage and the Merlin is underrated.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Capita List
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Posted - 2010.06.19 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
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all caldari frigs suck against other frigs because they cant do enough damage
Bit of an exaggeration there. SML Kestrel has unholy volley damage and the Merlin is underrated.
And a non-fail-fit punisher, rifter, or really any other frigate can laugh that "unholy" damage while it rips the offending caldari lolship to pieces. Seriously, i've been down the caldari frigate lane in the past (i'm sure a lot of us have, thinking we could find something others haven't, or that we were better pilots and could make up the diffirence). It's an exaggerated point in some cases, but in frigate warfare it's not far off the mark at all.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.19 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 19/06/2010 18:00:46
And by non-failfit you mean, what? If it has a MWD fair enough, but a lot don't, and those are a comedy fight. They all died horribly before they got close enough.
The Kestrel "works", albeit a bit more situationally than some, and the Merlin is fine if you can fit it properly. Would certainly be nice to have a bit more CPU though.
Hawk and Crow are in the worst shape right now.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Capita List
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 19/06/2010 18:00:46
And by non-failfit you mean, what? If it has a MWD fair enough, but a lot don't, and those are a comedy fight. They all died horribly before they got close enough.
The Kestrel "works", albeit a bit more situationally than some, and the Merlin is fine if you can fit it properly. Would certainly be nice to have a bit more CPU though.
Hawk and Crow are in the worst shape right now.
An empty oil filter "works" to filter coffee too, that doesn't mean that nearly every other concievable option.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 22:19:00 -
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CCP has acknowledged before that rockets are broken, and that they were gonna fix them. They just never did..
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.20 03:10:00 -
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CCP took all the good stats from Caldari frigs and put them into the Caracal/Drake/Scorpion.
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Xia Green
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Xia Green on 20/06/2010 10:51:36
Still want a CCP to coment on this in this topic, If these issue's are not going to be looked into then at least i know when to give up.
Cross training can't be considered for the waste of time already used and i don't think a pertition for swaping caldari skill's for decent race going to go to far 
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xia Green
Edited by: Xia Green on 20/06/2010 10:51:36
Still want a CCP to coment on this in this topic, If these issue's are not going to be looked into then at least i know when to give up.
... Take a look at the test server forum sometime. The rocket thread there is over a year old and at last count 26 pages long, and has had no word from CCP in quite a long time.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.20 15:20:00 -
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Well, I'm not the veteran that a lot of people here are, but from everything I have seen and learned since '08, rockets are the biggest IMBA in this game. I fly Minmatar but cross trained Caldari so I could fly a Drake and someday Raven. It would really be nice to have a viable rocket build someday for at least one of the other ships I can fly.
Variety is the spice of life IMHO.
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KoffeeKup
Caldari
Adderberry
Sspectre
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Posted - 2010.06.21 23:20:00 -
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Everyone i have spoken to on the topic of Caldari ships has a few things to say.....
They suck, the ships are terrible, rockets and missiles are a joke, and you would be better off training for any other race.
I find this frustrating as every description of caldari ships says something about the awesome power and devastation and great ewar, and every time i try to fit one i get nothing but **** across the board. All caldari ships need more cap, more power grid and maybe some more cpu. And it would be nice if with even full stats i could fit a caldari ship other than the drake with enough dps and tank to survive pvp. i know i suck, but half of my problems would be solved if i could actually fit tech 2 launchers or turrets and still have enough powergrid and cpu for a tank. i find it completly ******ed that all my shield equipment goes into a medium slot along with my ewar and that even when caldari have some of the smallest ships im slow as hell. If caldari have such advanced shield and power systems, why then do all caldari ships lack in those areas?
I feel CCP needs to listen to the people playing the game and inspect the ships and either just give a formal "**** You, we don't care" to caldari pilots or do a complete overhaul of caldari ships and their associated weapons (i.e. Rockets, Missiles and Hybrids) and fix it. I really don't care that we are better in group pvp or amazing on missions, i would just like Caldari to be up to par with the rest of the games ships when it comes to pvp.
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Alec Freeman
Minmatar
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.22 01:02:00 -
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Now i know im going to be shouted at by the many thousands of caldari sheep out there but.. seriously caldari AFs are broken and DONT NEED FIXXED. Caldari top field in BCs, PvE BSs, stealth bombers and many more ship classes i cant be assed listing right now. Now if you want a AF crosstrain to Minmatar or Gallente like everyone else has to do to get the Raven / Drake / Tengu.
Please CCP dont make caldari better than they already are.
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Ker'zu D'wa
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alec Freeman
Now i know im going to be shouted at by the many thousands of caldari sheep out there but.. seriously caldari AFs are broken and DONT NEED FIXXED. Caldari top field in BCs, PvE BSs, stealth bombers and many more ship classes i cant be assed listing right now. Now if you want a AF crosstrain to Minmatar or Gallente like everyone else has to do to get the Raven / Drake / Tengu.
Please CCP dont make caldari better than they already are.
PVE is serious business brah. That's definitely what we're talkin about right...?
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 22/06/2010 03:21:11
Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 22/06/2010 03:20:46
Originally by: Tanaka Reina
Caldari navy hookbill has some uses because of the sheer speed and lots of middle slots(even one seen in AT8), but because of the rocket damage it just isnt something you should use for anything if you have access to other ships, its a 30million shuttle.
Like many others, I have a minor ship collection hobby. I also have more than enough LP to pick up a Hookbill whenever I damn well please. But I can't justify it. I just can't. I mean, I use my Slicers. I've at least run a few missions in a Firetail and a Comet. I've even gotten fond of my Worm (believe me, nothing rips through the SoE arc like a faction fit Worm) despite the fact that it basically sucks (although the Cruor and the Succubus don't get enough grief as is). But the Hookbill? What, is this supposed to be the rocket fix incarnate? Because that's about all it can do well.
Having said that, the Caracal, Navy Caracal, Cerberus, Drake, (PvE) Nighthawk, and even the Moa are fine ships. Edit: I somehow left the Blackbird, Falcon, and Rook off that list the first time around. I don't really do BSs, but I can't find a major hole in the lineup; they're actually three different ships that play three different roles and can actually play them well.
So yeah, fix rockets. Fix hybrids in general, but don't overdo it; balancing Caldari and Gallente bonuses especially wrt to blasters is going to be tricky. Otherwise I don't see any other real problems with the Caldari lineup other than the ubiquitous "but you could beat any of the frigs in a Rifter" thing, but that's the subject of another thread on the first page so I'm not going there.
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Byuk Gho
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:43:00 -
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If this is really such a huge issue for all of you, God forbid, crosstrain to Minmatar and get the Wolf or the Jaguar.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.22 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Byuk Gho
If this is really such a huge issue for all of you, God forbid, crosstrain to Minmatar and get the Wolf or the Jaguar.
Are you always useless, or was today a special day? The solution to rockets being worthless is to get rockets fixed.
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HalogenWraith
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.22 06:02:00 -
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While you guys are busy fixing rockets (heh), you may as well change rockets' description in the info window:
"Not really intended as a primary weapon but rather as a cheap supplementary weapon system."
Well, clearly you got that part right: it doesn't work as a primary weapons system!
If that's the case, then why do SO many ships use rockets as their primary weapon, anyway? Perhaps the description should read, "Designed as a primary weapon and used by a great number of ships, rockets nevertheless suck and are universally hated by everyone."
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Backho
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:34:00 -
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And how many rifters can be disabled by a single kitsune on full ladar.
And how many rifters can even close in to a flock of kestrels and the above.
Play by your strengths.
Just because scissors always loses to stone in rock paper scissors, doesnt mean stone is overpowered.
Choose the game that gives you the advantage.
Choose the option that gives you the advantage.
Brains are supposed to be used.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:14:00 -
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Rockets are laughably terrible and need a huge fix. This is nothing exactly new.
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marie blueprint
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Posted - 2010.06.22 13:04:00 -
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ccp nerfed rockets and missile a few patches ago they now work like ccp wants them to witch is not worth a crap!! so dont hold your breath for a fix train blasters or lasers and move on
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.06.22 13:36:00 -
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As a caldari lover I am going to go against the grain and say that rockets need to stay broken for balance reason.
Caldari already has the best Recon/BC/T3
Haven't gone against enough command ships to compare and contrast.
*I'm a newbie.
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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2010.06.22 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
As a caldari lover I am going to go against the grain and say that rockets need to stay broken for balance reason.
Caldari already has the best Recon/BC/T3
Haven't gone against enough command ships to compare and contrast.
*I'm a newbie.
The Caldari are not the only race that use rockets.
And just because they might have a ship that is good in another class, is not a reason to "not" fix something that the community has proven is broken for what...the last 2 or 3 years?
yes you are a newbie
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Frank d'Fairy
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
As a caldari lover I am going to go against the grain and say that rockets need to stay broken for balance reason.
Caldari already has the best Recon/BC/T3
What's that got to do with rockets?
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.06.22 22:21:00 -
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I think it is funny that you took my comment to heart so much Meeko Atari. You would think a simple sql query would fix the explosion velocity of rockets and that somehow it would have come up in ccp meetings. I am pretty sure that if they were indeed "broken" they would have changed it by now. But your right, It must be because I am new.
Or maybe rockets were never meant to be the primary weapons platform?
In the meantime, is that an alt account you were posting on?
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.22 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 22/06/2010 23:32:25
Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
I think it is funny that you took my comment to heart so much Meeko Atari. You would think a simple sql query would fix the explosion velocity of rockets and that somehow it would have come up in ccp meetings. I am pretty sure that if they were indeed "broken" they would have changed it by now. But your right, It must be because I am new.
Yes, it really is just 2 numbers that need a change, and yes they have not done it.
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Or maybe rockets were never meant to be the primary weapons platform?
The extensive list of ships with the right fitting and bonuses towards them says otherwise. Fluff text means nothing.
Also, in regards to this post:
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As a caldari lover I am going to go against the grain and say that rockets need to stay broken for balance reason. Caldari already has the best Recon/BC/T3 Haven't gone against enough command ships to compare and contrast.
It's complete tools like you that think Caldari should suck at PVP because their PVE performance is good.
I have 4 theories about you
1. You really are a newbie
2. You're being sarcastic about being new
3. You're a troll.
4. A mix of the above
I really don't want to subject my brain to reading the rest of what you've written, but whichever it is, it makes no difference to the fact you have no idea what you're talking about and have nothing to contribute to this issue. GTFO please.
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Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Myrkala
Minmatar
Interstellar Empire
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Rockets are laughably terrible and need a huge fix. This is nothing exactly new.
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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding
Minmatar? More like Winmatar.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
I think it is funny that you took my comment to heart so much Meeko Atari. You would think a simple sql query would fix the explosion velocity of rockets and that somehow it would have come up in ccp meetings. I am pretty sure that if they were indeed "broken" they would have changed it by now. But your right, It must be because I am new.
Or maybe rockets were never meant to be the primary weapons platform?
In the meantime, is that an alt account you were posting on?
Right, rockets arent meant to be used as a primary weapon system. Neither are blasters, pulse lasers, or autocannons. Go look at khanid frigate ship bonuses, or better yet just dont post.
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Hexton Korr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:55:00 -
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Yes Rockets are pretty damn weak as they stand, they really do need to be improved!
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Citizen 121
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:57:00 -
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Rockets are inferior... etc.
Also, saying 'Caldari have the best T3/BC/recon/whatever' (however true it may or may not be) is not a justification for rockets being crap.
Whenever people suggest that you should cross train then something is clearly broken.
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Frank d'Fairy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:07:00 -
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I've got what's left of NoLimit's dignity in a cargo container next to Jita if anyone's interested.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:26:00 -
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Rockets suck, plain and simple. No wierd ass comments of fail logic will hide it.
Claiaming caldari got "the best" in other classes as an argument for letting rockets suck shows just how thoughtless people is.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen 121
Rockets are inferior... etc.
Also, saying 'Caldari have the best T3/BC/recon/whatever' (however true it may or may not be) is not a justification for rockets being crap.
Whenever people suggest that you should cross train then something is clearly broken.
Im of the opinion as of late that indeed a certain % of sucky weapon systems and ships are part of the overall strategy.
My reasoning goes something like this:
There are X number of skills in the game at present. Many of them are easy duplicates across races.
There are Y number of skills that are valued by the player base and seen as useful.
If X=Y this would cause two problems (problem 2 really includes other subset problems, but Im too lazy to break them out)
1) Players would run out of skills to train quickly. Cross training is a very time consuming activity to perform.
2) Having to come up with more Y type skills (useful and valued by players) and to also make them unique would require additional cost, time and effort, and potentially lessen the player base, reduce game challenge, and reduce revenue (which in turn reduces expansion). Combine that with the fact someone will always complain, and its questionable whether it makes sense to have X=Y.
Note: I dont support the argument, I just think this is CCP's logic.
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:21:00 -
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This thread has brought me many laughs, and for that I thank you.
The dignity thing was a hoot.
Anyway I am new (this is my main, 9.5MIL SP) but it doesn't take a veteren to see that CCP gimps certain ships in certain races to encourage cross training and thus more time.
The idea that everything should be balanced is a ******ed one and those who think that should go play WOW.
You make rockets great and you have just given caldari a great frigate/Assault frigate/EAF. So now every ship in caldari (except HAC) are viable. Yay for balance. Every race has weak spots, don't fill them in just because you don't like them.
And the one who said I said caldari is balanced because of PVE: you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No where did I say anything about PVE, had I mentioned the raven (which I was tempted to do as the gank raven is MEAN when deployed right) I would give you some credit but how you get PVE when I included recon is beyond me.
/newb troll.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:24:00 -
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And the one who said I said caldari is balanced because of PVE: you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No where did I say anything about PVE, had I mentioned the raven (which I was tempted to do as the gank raven is MEAN when deployed right) I would give you some credit but how you get PVE when I included recon is beyond me.
I also called you a tool, thanks for backing me up on that. I said it because it's a direct equivilent to the idiocy you're spouting about "oh they have good ships in other areas, so they should suck on this"
In any case, you're completely incapable of understanding anything I have to say, so I'll just repeat this bit as you apparently missed it:
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I really don't want to subject my brain to reading the rest of what you've written, but whichever it is, it makes no difference to the fact you have no idea what you're talking about and have nothing to contribute to this issue. GTFO please.
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Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:04:00 -
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Considering I am the one with a different viewpoint in regard to the issue and you are the one following the masses I find it somewhat of a leap to be called a "tool".
Wow your understanding of the english language is as terrible as your reading comprehension.
You suck at life, you should just quit.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:14:00 -
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Hawk + 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher = **** rockets
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Quafe Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 24/06/2010 20:48:23
Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
This thread has brought me many laughs, and for that I thank you.
The dignity thing was a hoot.
Anyway I am new (this is my main, 9.5MIL SP) but it doesn't take a veteren to see that CCP gimps certain ships in certain races to encourage cross training and thus more time.
The idea that everything should be balanced is a ******ed one and those who think that should go play WOW.
You make rockets great and you have just given caldari a great frigate/Assault frigate/EAF. So now every ship in caldari (except HAC) are viable. Yay for balance. Every race has weak spots, don't fill them in just because you don't like them.
And the one who said I said caldari is balanced because of PVE: you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No where did I say anything about PVE, had I mentioned the raven (which I was tempted to do as the gank raven is MEAN when deployed right) I would give you some credit but how you get PVE when I included recon is beyond me.
/newb troll.
So what's your stance on simply fixing every "broken" hole in every race so that all ships are viable?
Amarr also use rockets by the way.
I'm actually sort of confused on your post as well. Caldari are viable in every area? Caldari frigates are terrible, both t1 and t2 (every variant is outclassed by another race, including every t2 type). Caldari t1 cruisers are also terrible (with the unique exception of the blackbird), as well as Caldari hacs (unless you wanna kill frigates). The Caldari dictor is sub-par and is outclassed by basically any other dictor; it's not even the cheapest one (being a throwaway type ship). The Caldari BS only dodge this bullet as they fit three separate roles, one of which being unique (scorpion). The Caldari industrials are the worst aside from maybe the Minmatar.
Which Caldari ships are "viable"? Caldari recons got mad nerfed recently and are fairly on par with most others (aside from Gal recons). The Caldari logistic and HiC excel at the roles they fill, but are outclassed in many areas (Minmatar is generally better for most situations). The Caldari t3 cruiser is the best only in PvE and is nothing special over the Minmatar variant. The Caldari capitals are nothing special and have never been considered the best, ever (aside from PoS repping for the carrier), but are still viable IMO. The Caldari BS are a disgusting mix of roles, making one bad for fleets, one bad for small gangs, and one a massive niche role. The Caldari commandships are nothing special with the Nighthawk being a decent ship, but it barely outdoes a drake at any specific role.
What Caldari ship excels above all others? In my opinion the drake is the best BC (although not by much, the tier 2 BS are the most balanced ships IMO). The falcon is arguably the best recon but post-nerf not by much if it all. The Caldari BS get three roles, all of which excel at what they do (the raven is the best missile BS, the scorp is the best ewar BS, and the rohk has the most range) but even then other BS types do the same jobs just as well (aside from the scorpion).
The Caldari excel at PvE and nothing else really, not nearly as much as Amarr once did or Minmatar does now.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:50:00 -
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Considering I am the one with a different viewpoint in regard to the issue and you are the one following the masses I find it somewhat of a leap to be called a "tool".
You're a tool because your arguments are idiotic and you have no idea what you're talking about. Troll elsewhere please.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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HalogenWraith
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
You make rockets great and you have just given caldari a great frigate/Assault frigate/EAF. So now every ship in caldari (except HAC) are viable. Yay for balance. Every race has weak spots, don't fill them in just because you don't like them.
Even if we are to completely ignore the raw numbers that prove rockets are inferior to other light weapons, your argument still makes such little sense. Rather than providing an acceptable reason to support your position that rockets don't need fixing, you simply stated that there should in fact be ships and weapons that are completely without value and not worth using in nearly every situation.
You're saying not every ship should be worth using? 
Then all those ships accomplished was to waste the time of the artists who designed them and the people who trained for them.
Pretty sad point of view IMO.
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Myrkala
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Rockets are laughably terrible and need a huge fix. This is nothing exactly new.
Also, giev caldari more lows and more powergrid nao.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:08:00 -
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Posting to confirm HalogenWraith's sig is pure awesome.
(And that NoLimit is still a tool.)
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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