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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2010.06.22 15:08:00 -
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 Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
As a caldari lover I am going to go against the grain and say that rockets need to stay broken for balance reason.
Caldari already has the best Recon/BC/T3
Haven't gone against enough command ships to compare and contrast.
*I'm a newbie.
The Caldari are not the only race that use rockets.
And just because they might have a ship that is good in another class, is not a reason to "not" fix something that the community has proven is broken for what...the last 2 or 3 years?
yes you are a newbie
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Frank d'Fairy
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
As a caldari lover I am going to go against the grain and say that rockets need to stay broken for balance reason.
Caldari already has the best Recon/BC/T3
What's that got to do with rockets?
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.06.22 22:21:00 -
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I think it is funny that you took my comment to heart so much Meeko Atari. You would think a simple sql query would fix the explosion velocity of rockets and that somehow it would have come up in ccp meetings. I am pretty sure that if they were indeed "broken" they would have changed it by now. But your right, It must be because I am new.
Or maybe rockets were never meant to be the primary weapons platform?
In the meantime, is that an alt account you were posting on?
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.22 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 22/06/2010 23:32:25
Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
I think it is funny that you took my comment to heart so much Meeko Atari. You would think a simple sql query would fix the explosion velocity of rockets and that somehow it would have come up in ccp meetings. I am pretty sure that if they were indeed "broken" they would have changed it by now. But your right, It must be because I am new.
Yes, it really is just 2 numbers that need a change, and yes they have not done it.
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Or maybe rockets were never meant to be the primary weapons platform?
The extensive list of ships with the right fitting and bonuses towards them says otherwise. Fluff text means nothing.
Also, in regards to this post:
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As a caldari lover I am going to go against the grain and say that rockets need to stay broken for balance reason. Caldari already has the best Recon/BC/T3 Haven't gone against enough command ships to compare and contrast.
It's complete tools like you that think Caldari should suck at PVP because their PVE performance is good.
I have 4 theories about you
1. You really are a newbie
2. You're being sarcastic about being new
3. You're a troll.
4. A mix of the above
I really don't want to subject my brain to reading the rest of what you've written, but whichever it is, it makes no difference to the fact you have no idea what you're talking about and have nothing to contribute to this issue. GTFO please.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Myrkala
Minmatar
Interstellar Empire
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Rockets are laughably terrible and need a huge fix. This is nothing exactly new.
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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding
Minmatar? More like Winmatar.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
I think it is funny that you took my comment to heart so much Meeko Atari. You would think a simple sql query would fix the explosion velocity of rockets and that somehow it would have come up in ccp meetings. I am pretty sure that if they were indeed "broken" they would have changed it by now. But your right, It must be because I am new.
Or maybe rockets were never meant to be the primary weapons platform?
In the meantime, is that an alt account you were posting on?
Right, rockets arent meant to be used as a primary weapon system. Neither are blasters, pulse lasers, or autocannons. Go look at khanid frigate ship bonuses, or better yet just dont post.
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Hexton Korr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:55:00 -
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Yes Rockets are pretty damn weak as they stand, they really do need to be improved!
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Citizen 121
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:57:00 -
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Rockets are inferior... etc.
Also, saying 'Caldari have the best T3/BC/recon/whatever' (however true it may or may not be) is not a justification for rockets being crap.
Whenever people suggest that you should cross train then something is clearly broken.
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Frank d'Fairy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:07:00 -
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I've got what's left of NoLimit's dignity in a cargo container next to Jita if anyone's interested.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:26:00 -
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Rockets suck, plain and simple. No wierd ass comments of fail logic will hide it.
Claiaming caldari got "the best" in other classes as an argument for letting rockets suck shows just how thoughtless people is.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen 121
Rockets are inferior... etc.
Also, saying 'Caldari have the best T3/BC/recon/whatever' (however true it may or may not be) is not a justification for rockets being crap.
Whenever people suggest that you should cross train then something is clearly broken.
Im of the opinion as of late that indeed a certain % of sucky weapon systems and ships are part of the overall strategy.
My reasoning goes something like this:
There are X number of skills in the game at present. Many of them are easy duplicates across races.
There are Y number of skills that are valued by the player base and seen as useful.
If X=Y this would cause two problems (problem 2 really includes other subset problems, but Im too lazy to break them out)
1) Players would run out of skills to train quickly. Cross training is a very time consuming activity to perform.
2) Having to come up with more Y type skills (useful and valued by players) and to also make them unique would require additional cost, time and effort, and potentially lessen the player base, reduce game challenge, and reduce revenue (which in turn reduces expansion). Combine that with the fact someone will always complain, and its questionable whether it makes sense to have X=Y.
Note: I dont support the argument, I just think this is CCP's logic.
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:21:00 -
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This thread has brought me many laughs, and for that I thank you.
The dignity thing was a hoot.
Anyway I am new (this is my main, 9.5MIL SP) but it doesn't take a veteren to see that CCP gimps certain ships in certain races to encourage cross training and thus more time.
The idea that everything should be balanced is a ******ed one and those who think that should go play WOW.
You make rockets great and you have just given caldari a great frigate/Assault frigate/EAF. So now every ship in caldari (except HAC) are viable. Yay for balance. Every race has weak spots, don't fill them in just because you don't like them.
And the one who said I said caldari is balanced because of PVE: you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No where did I say anything about PVE, had I mentioned the raven (which I was tempted to do as the gank raven is MEAN when deployed right) I would give you some credit but how you get PVE when I included recon is beyond me.
/newb troll.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:24:00 -
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And the one who said I said caldari is balanced because of PVE: you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No where did I say anything about PVE, had I mentioned the raven (which I was tempted to do as the gank raven is MEAN when deployed right) I would give you some credit but how you get PVE when I included recon is beyond me.
I also called you a tool, thanks for backing me up on that. I said it because it's a direct equivilent to the idiocy you're spouting about "oh they have good ships in other areas, so they should suck on this"
In any case, you're completely incapable of understanding anything I have to say, so I'll just repeat this bit as you apparently missed it:
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I really don't want to subject my brain to reading the rest of what you've written, but whichever it is, it makes no difference to the fact you have no idea what you're talking about and have nothing to contribute to this issue. GTFO please.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:04:00 -
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Considering I am the one with a different viewpoint in regard to the issue and you are the one following the masses I find it somewhat of a leap to be called a "tool".
Wow your understanding of the english language is as terrible as your reading comprehension.
You suck at life, you should just quit.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:14:00 -
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Hawk + 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher = **** rockets
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Quafe Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 24/06/2010 20:48:23
Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
This thread has brought me many laughs, and for that I thank you.
The dignity thing was a hoot.
Anyway I am new (this is my main, 9.5MIL SP) but it doesn't take a veteren to see that CCP gimps certain ships in certain races to encourage cross training and thus more time.
The idea that everything should be balanced is a ******ed one and those who think that should go play WOW.
You make rockets great and you have just given caldari a great frigate/Assault frigate/EAF. So now every ship in caldari (except HAC) are viable. Yay for balance. Every race has weak spots, don't fill them in just because you don't like them.
And the one who said I said caldari is balanced because of PVE: you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No where did I say anything about PVE, had I mentioned the raven (which I was tempted to do as the gank raven is MEAN when deployed right) I would give you some credit but how you get PVE when I included recon is beyond me.
/newb troll.
So what's your stance on simply fixing every "broken" hole in every race so that all ships are viable?
Amarr also use rockets by the way.
I'm actually sort of confused on your post as well. Caldari are viable in every area? Caldari frigates are terrible, both t1 and t2 (every variant is outclassed by another race, including every t2 type). Caldari t1 cruisers are also terrible (with the unique exception of the blackbird), as well as Caldari hacs (unless you wanna kill frigates). The Caldari dictor is sub-par and is outclassed by basically any other dictor; it's not even the cheapest one (being a throwaway type ship). The Caldari BS only dodge this bullet as they fit three separate roles, one of which being unique (scorpion). The Caldari industrials are the worst aside from maybe the Minmatar.
Which Caldari ships are "viable"? Caldari recons got mad nerfed recently and are fairly on par with most others (aside from Gal recons). The Caldari logistic and HiC excel at the roles they fill, but are outclassed in many areas (Minmatar is generally better for most situations). The Caldari t3 cruiser is the best only in PvE and is nothing special over the Minmatar variant. The Caldari capitals are nothing special and have never been considered the best, ever (aside from PoS repping for the carrier), but are still viable IMO. The Caldari BS are a disgusting mix of roles, making one bad for fleets, one bad for small gangs, and one a massive niche role. The Caldari commandships are nothing special with the Nighthawk being a decent ship, but it barely outdoes a drake at any specific role.
What Caldari ship excels above all others? In my opinion the drake is the best BC (although not by much, the tier 2 BS are the most balanced ships IMO). The falcon is arguably the best recon but post-nerf not by much if it all. The Caldari BS get three roles, all of which excel at what they do (the raven is the best missile BS, the scorp is the best ewar BS, and the rohk has the most range) but even then other BS types do the same jobs just as well (aside from the scorpion).
The Caldari excel at PvE and nothing else really, not nearly as much as Amarr once did or Minmatar does now.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:50:00 -
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Considering I am the one with a different viewpoint in regard to the issue and you are the one following the masses I find it somewhat of a leap to be called a "tool".
You're a tool because your arguments are idiotic and you have no idea what you're talking about. Troll elsewhere please.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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HalogenWraith
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
You make rockets great and you have just given caldari a great frigate/Assault frigate/EAF. So now every ship in caldari (except HAC) are viable. Yay for balance. Every race has weak spots, don't fill them in just because you don't like them.
Even if we are to completely ignore the raw numbers that prove rockets are inferior to other light weapons, your argument still makes such little sense. Rather than providing an acceptable reason to support your position that rockets don't need fixing, you simply stated that there should in fact be ships and weapons that are completely without value and not worth using in nearly every situation.
You're saying not every ship should be worth using? 
Then all those ships accomplished was to waste the time of the artists who designed them and the people who trained for them.
Pretty sad point of view IMO.
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Myrkala
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Rockets are laughably terrible and need a huge fix. This is nothing exactly new.
Also, giev caldari more lows and more powergrid nao.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:08:00 -
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Posting to confirm HalogenWraith's sig is pure awesome.
(And that NoLimit is still a tool.)
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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