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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.06.20 06:58:00 -
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Some people don't get to spend the whole day watching streams.
It's been half a day, so can you upload them already? For the other days you guys were pretty fast with the uploads.
Also can you upload the day 6 videos asap after each fight?
Tomorrow is father's day in the US and many of us won't be able to spend the day at the computer. I want to get home in the evening and watch the matches.
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Midori Tsu
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.20 07:56:00 -
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i'd like them to be uploaded too, but i don't think thats gonna happen. : /
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Azishkra'elhykai Mizamel
New 'U' Unity Technologies
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Posted - 2010.06.20 07:59:00 -
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I missed out on the last half of finals. I'd really like to see how they went too.
Please put it up? Pretty please?
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Jan VanRijkdom
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:09:00 -
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Ditto
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:23:00 -
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Give the video-team some time, there's more video this time (because of the studio show between battles) and it all needs rendering and uploading.
You can hope they'll upload the first batch today, but it might have to wait until after the weekend, depending on how much time it takes to do all that.
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Langoss
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:32:00 -
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need some time, because all team are hung over now
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fliplab
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:54:00 -
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I was counting on watching day 5's videos right before I tuned in to watch day 6 live!
please get it done in time!!! (all the other days videos were uploaded much faster... yet this most important of days is uploaded slowest :( )
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Comboduck
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:35:00 -
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Despite what you may think looking at them, the At8 crew does not stay awake 24/7 during the whole tournament period :p I'm sure they are making best speed with the uploads.
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Midori Tsu
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:43:00 -
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 Originally by: fliplab
I was counting on watching day 5's videos right before I tuned in to watch day 6 live!
please get it done in time!!! (all the other days videos were uploaded much faster... yet this most important of days is uploaded slowest :( )
this
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Zetler
Lacco and The Gang
Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Comboduck
the At8 crew does not stay awake 24/7 during the whole tournament period :p
LIES
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CCP Charlie
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:58:00 -
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As usual the final weekend's matches will not be on youtube until a couple days after the live show.
If you want to keep up with the matches I suggest you tune in ;).
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:03:00 -
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Like I said, some people have to work or do something more important than spending the weekend on the pc.
If you don't want to make the videos available right after each fight that is fine, but I was hoping to watch today's fights before the final happened, which I will not be able to watch either it seems.
You don't lose anything by making them available a few hours after its all said and done, but you just lost some more good will towards you with this lame policy of waiting 2 days to upload the finals.
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Midori Tsu
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Gabriel
Like I said, some people have to work or do something more important than spending the weekend on the pc.
If you don't want to make the videos available right after each fight that is fine, but I was hoping to watch today's fights before the final happened, which I will not be able to watch either it seems.
You don't lose anything by making them available a few hours after its all said and done, but you just lost some more good will towards you with this lame policy of waiting 2 days to upload the finals.
its not really a policy, its just that they don't want to do the work.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Gabriel
You don't lose anything by making them available a few hours after its all said and done
They lose a lot of man-hours that could be spent on administering the whole thing - and remember that the tournament crew are on their third weekend. Only speculating here - but I assume they have families too, and I think we should be thankful that they are sacrificing their weekends for our amusement. (Yes, it's their job, they get paid, but it's still weekend overtime you are asking for.)
Remember - even if they do get a few weekdays free in return, that is free days that they cannot share with their spouse or family, because they'll be off to their work/school commitments.
Just chill and be patient. :)
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Hussain
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:31:00 -
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Yes posting vid in youtube is a dangerous and time consuming job.
Yes some of us do work (like ccp guys) on the weekend.
And yes you guys want to have big audiences, but the other days where published fast enough.
I really dont see a reason for this delay.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hussain
Yes posting vid in youtube is a dangerous and time consuming job.
Yes some of us do work (like ccp guys) on the weekend.
And yes you guys want to have big audiences, but the other days where published fast enough.
I really dont see a reason for this delay.
The finals weekend is more time consuming to produce than the qualifiers and there are twice as many videos because of the studio sections.
The machines (at least for AT7, I assume the same setup for AT8) that run the live studio stuff are the machines that do the video encoding and upload to youtube.
There is lots of work going on behind the scenes before and after the broadcast too. They'll have been on site working for over 10 hours by the time the matches end. I don't know about you but after a 10 hour day at work I don't want to stay any later  .
Yes it is annoying to have to wait but it isn't a new phenomenon having been the same for the AT6 and AT7 finals too.
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Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar
Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
The machines (at least for AT7, I assume the same setup for AT8) that run the live studio stuff are the machines that do the video encoding and upload to youtube.
Your point? CCP is low on money, and have to use slow servers?
Right. Poor guys.
Originally by: TeaDaze
There is lots of work going on behind the scenes before and after the broadcast too. They'll have been on site working for over 10 hours by the time the matches end. I don't know about you but after a 10 hour day at work I don't want to stay any later .
You must be young.
Either that or an extremely lazy guy working in an insurance company.
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fliplab
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:35:00 -
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it's just odd the videos for days 2,3,4 were all uploaded a few HOURS after the event
for these videos to take 40times as long to upload just caught me off guard... i wish I had known. It was reasonable to expect this weekend's videos to be uploaded in less than 5times as long as each other days took.
however I suppose if you are planning to upload both the studio commentary and the matches .... then I could simply NOT WATCH today and watch it all on tuesday or wednesday.... which would be fine by me... it's just if you plan on making the youtube videos JUST matches like in day1,2,3,4 ... then I won't want to miss today's commentary...
so can anyone comment on if the youtube videos for day5/6 will be full commentary or only matches?
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zathi Shaitan
You must be young.
Either that or an extremely lazy guy working in an insurance company.
Utterly wrong on both counts
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CCP Charlie
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:59:00 -
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Ok I'll do my quick explanation as is custom each tournament :).
During the qualifying weekends we have a fraction of the work load compared to the final weekend. We can record each match individually and then while the next match starts up have someone working on the edit and compression so we can get the matches up on youtube really quickly. We perfected that process mostly because in the past few tournaments those weekends were radio only so getting you the video as quickly as possible was very important.
On the final studio weekends we are all incredibly busy bringing you the live show. Instead of breaks in between matches we're bringing you studio content to enjoy. The small army of machines we have are all busy making that happen and all the team is working flat out on the show. So currently doing all the back end work involved with getting matches on youtube can't be done by us at the same time.
Getting all these matches on youtube is no trivial task and with the studio segments the final weekend comprises of 70+ videos to upload, or around 13 hours of HD content. We'll strive to have this content available for you as soon as possible this week.
In the meantime please tune in and enjoy the live show  .
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:02:00 -
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For me tournament starting 3am and time difference means also Monday morning.
Anyway if you want to watch the video you can leave the stream running and use a program to record it similar to fraps. Or just gently touch yourself and imagine you are watching the tournament.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zathi Shaitan
*snip*
wow ... so much arrogance in one post.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Charlie
As usual the final weekend's matches will not be on youtube until a couple days after the live show.
If you want to keep up with the matches I suggest you tune in ;).
I understand the difficulties in getting these uploaded, but if you live in Australia and have a job, it doesn't make it any less frustrating when the only solution is to be awake from 2am, only to have to leave for work before the end of the competition.
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Necronym
Minmatar
The Darkness Within
Death Rhubarb
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:45:00 -
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Personally, I rather not have to see the commentary sections and when I have tuned into live feed in previous years, I usually mute it until I see next fight starting.
I don't know if there previously was a poll on this subject, but even if so, a new update on it wouldn't hurt...
How many even watch the commentary sections via youtube, or during live broadcast?
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Gabriel
Like I said, some people have to work or do something more important than spending the weekend on the pc.
If you don't want to make the videos available right after each fight that is fine, but I was hoping to watch today's fights before the final happened, which I will not be able to watch either it seems.
You don't lose anything by making them available a few hours after its all said and done, but you just lost some more good will towards you with this lame policy of waiting 2 days to upload the finals.
WAAAAAH I WANT WHAT I WANT AND I WANT IT NOW!
stfu
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Verlokiraptor
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:09:00 -
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I have to agree that while this arrangement isn't new, it is really annoying.
The comment of "enjoy the streams" is pretty  when it lags unwatchably even on low res, while I can generally stream the highest res fine from youtube. I can't really find any resources around here to make it better. No-one answered when I asked about it yesterday, either.
I mean, you've clearly seen this before, aren't there better ways to set this up? As a brief example, CCP has massive number of computers, plenty of which should be unused on the weekend - theoretically free for compression and all that. I don't quite get what the comment about editing the match is, since I thought the youtube videos were basically the same as the stream itself but maybe someone who gets to see both can explain.
The fact is, by the time I see the finals matches I'll already know half the results and that makes them much less interesting. As for the studio commentary, it's great at the time, but with previous tournaments it was absurd watching them on youtube hearing them talk about the next expansion with information that was outdated by the time I got to watch it.
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:11:00 -
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Confirming the studio sections are more annoying that the l5 mission nerf.
NERF THE STUDIO SECTIONS!!!
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:16:00 -
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ITT: people wanting/demanding stuff like right now, just because uhm... well they want it. When explained why it's a bit of an issue and they will have to wait they kinda sorta just go "I don't ****ing care about the fact that you might have real lives or that there might be other issues, I'm stupid and I WANT MY STUFF NOW!!!". It's like a 3 year old stamping his feet to get a cookie, about the same IQ level and they should be given the same amount of attention; none whatsoever.
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Picadilly
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:18:00 -
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Thanks for providing an alternative to crappy football games :P
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DeadNite
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:23:00 -
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Ignore the impatient ones CCP! You can't please everyone.
Keep up the good work!
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steave435
Caldari
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: steave435 on 22/06/2010 09:03:32
Edit: Posted in wrong thread
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Somekind Damage
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Somekind Damage on 22/06/2010 09:18:10
/me hopes you make good speed for the sake of these poor people http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1339879
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Meldgaard
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Somekind Damage
Edited by: Somekind Damage on 22/06/2010 09:18:10
/me hopes you make good speed for the sake of these poor people http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1339879
As one of them i am waiting with anticipation.
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threeDspider
Caldari
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:57:00 -
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Had to miss both days of the final weekend, eagerly awaiting some youtube luvin
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Mrtan
Caldari
Volt Investments
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Posted - 2010.06.22 14:45:00 -
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hurry up!!
Its not that hard cutting and pasting raw content through a vid maker.
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TriadSte
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Charlie
During the qualifying weekends we have a fraction of the work load compared to the final weekend
Please explain? each match players are spawned into a empty location, a match takes place end of story the exact same applies to the final weekend does it not? Only more matchs on a much longer time frame as when compared to the qualifiers so the workload is the same per hour. Its just a few hours more?
Originally by: CCP Charlie
We can record each match individually and then while the next match starts up have someone working on the edit and compression so we can get the matches up on youtube really quickly
Edit? that takes what? 30 seconds in a editor? slice at the start point, slice the stuff after the final ship death. Compression takes no time on a decent machine which im sure you have there at CCP.
Originally by: CCP Charlie
On the final studio weekends we are all incredibly busy bringing you the live show. Instead of breaks in between matches we're bringing you studio content to enjoy. The small army of machines we have are all busy making that happen and all the team is working flat out on the show. So currently doing all the back end work involved with getting matches on youtube can't be done by us at the same time.
How is all of CCP "incredibly busy" You have 4 guys in the studio nattering and attempting to make conversation until a match begins there are alot of awkward silences too.
So we got 4 guys talking in the studio
We got 2 commentators for the match
Why are you oh so incredibly busy?
Originally by: CCP Charlie
Getting all these matches on youtube is no trivial task and with the studio segments the final weekend comprises of 70+ videos to upload, or around 13 hours of HD content. We'll strive to have this content available for you as soon as possible this week.
I'm thinking about the pure raw bandwidth you guys have at your disposal at CCP how can it take 2 days to get them uploaded?
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Aeternus IV
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Posted - 2010.06.22 17:47:00 -
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It's because they make the videos avaialable in high def is one reason it take a lil longer. They've got to cut out some stuff is another. Also you've seen some of the vids on youtube where the voice is off with the match... a result of whoever was doing it got hasty.
Yes I do want to watch the finals but it's not the end all be all for me. Just chill guys. I for one would like CCP to do this of all things correctly. For those of you suggesting that they fraps it while it goin... why didn't you? We could be watching it by now!
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.22 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte
*Unrelenting abuse at CCP*
Seriously mate, i can only assume this was a troll post because you seem to have no clue about the effort that's involved in organizing and running a tournament. Also the fact that you think the only things you are seeing are the only things going on is quite tragic.
Let me explain for you:
There are 2 commentators, 4 studio pundits and then stevie on the front of things. That's 7 people. Then behind the scenes there is CCP Claw, acting as ref, setting up the arena and trying to keep the games to schedule. There are a team of GMs, helping to get the teams into the system ready to fight, explaining the procedures to newcomers, answering their last minute questions and generally having to wait on them to finalize last minute details so they can do their job. They direct the players into the arena and coordinate between themselves and CCP Claw to make sure the teams warp into the arena at the same time so that it's fair. The two commentators are controlling ships called "EVETV Camera" and lock the players when they drop in the arena, then arrange the list accordingly.
When the fight is over, they have to clear the field, Claw moves over to the next match and refs again. The second GM team do their thing, the current GM team get the next set of teams ready and so on. It's a hectic process and the CCP team get no breaks in between.
And even then, this is the bare bones of things. There's sound engineers, ISDs collecting match reports, people updating the schedule and tournament website, all having to coordinate with each other to get things done at a speedy rate, alongside the regular running of the company as if it was a normal day, when clearly with so much dev involvement, the company itself is operating with less staff than usual.
As CCP Charlie has already said, there's twice as much stuff to get up to youtube from the finals weekend and they don't have the benefit to start doing this during the tournament itself, unlike the qualifiers. Personally i think he's being modest, there is more than twice the amount, and that has to go through more rigorous editing than the previous weekends.
I get the feeling i'm wasting my time explaining this stuff to you though, as you've made the typical short-sighted responses to CCP Charlie's post, so i hope in some way you'll read what i said and learn that there's plenty of work going on and have some respect for the process.
Keep it up CCP, you did a great job this year, don't let these fools spoil your achievement. The two final hurdles are the uploading the videos and handing out the prizes, which if both are done before the end of the week i think Claw and the team can claim a "perfect game".
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CCP Charlie
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte
Fantasy land dribble
You just made me facepalm so hard...
Thresh Avery thank you for getting an idea of the true picture behind the scenes here. EVE Tv is still in its infancy frankly, we're a group of friends at CCP who love EVE and take a lot of personal time to put on this show for the players.
I think you'd find it hard to find a tv station that puts on such a big show and makes the whole thing available online instantly, it's not a straight forward job, and we're not a tv station :P.
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TriadSte
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:12:00 -
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Im glad you facepalmed hardcore because you dont grasp my issue. What you guys actually class as "hardwork"
AT8 was awesome agreed I appreciate CCP and everyone involved I really do it was an awesome watch.
However streaming it is easy if of course your bandwidth is high enough which yours......very very almost is there was a few times when it went a little weird.
There are many games which stream matchs live for everyone to view its nothing special maybe even common thesedays?
Getting the teams into the arena doesnt sound hard to me as they surely will be listening intently to the GMs instructions. Spawning them into Jove space I presume is a simple command.
A web master will be able to update the matchs schedule online easy and very quickly.
I very honestly cannot see where all this hardwork was? unless your not used to actual hard graft?
With all that said, I'm not attempting to shoot you down I've previously stated it was awesome but I get the feeling you guys make out its actually ALOT harder than it actually is.
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Constance Marie
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:21:00 -
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WTH, Why aren't they up yet? Inexcusable!
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CCP Charlie
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte
"rainbows and lollypops"
Again, facepalming so hard my hand just went out the back of my skull...
I'm not going to start showing you the time sheets of the team for the past month, your so oblivious to whats been worked on I have to cling on to the hope your trolling me.
So I'll depart from this thread asking the rest of you to please bear with us, and just for the record its 21:49 here in Iceland and yes I'm still at the office.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte
Im glad you facepalmed hardcore because you dont grasp my issue. What you guys actually class as "hardwork"
AT8 was awesome agreed I appreciate CCP and everyone involved I really do it was an awesome watch.
However streaming it is easy if of course your bandwidth is high enough which yours......very very almost is there was a few times when it went a little weird.
There are many games which stream matchs live for everyone to view its nothing special maybe even common thesedays?
Getting the teams into the arena doesnt sound hard to me as they surely will be listening intently to the GMs instructions. Spawning them into Jove space I presume is a simple command.
A web master will be able to update the matchs schedule online easy and very quickly.
I very honestly cannot see where all this hardwork was? unless your not used to actual hard graft?
With all that said, I'm not attempting to shoot you down I've previously stated it was awesome but I get the feeling you guys make out its actually ALOT harder than it actually is.
You are seriously out of line
If they are not pro broadcast people (and even if they were), pulling off a live show like that is *******ed* amounts of work to a small number of people, especially with all the bits involved that are not a simple camera.
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JitaBum
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte
Im glad you facepalmed hardcore because you dont grasp my issue. What you guys actually class as "hardwork"
AT8 was awesome agreed I appreciate CCP and everyone involved I really do it was an awesome watch.
However streaming it is easy if of course your bandwidth is high enough which yours......very very almost is there was a few times when it went a little weird.
There are many games which stream matchs live for everyone to view its nothing special maybe even common thesedays?
Getting the teams into the arena doesnt sound hard to me as they surely will be listening intently to the GMs instructions. Spawning them into Jove space I presume is a simple command.
A web master will be able to update the matchs schedule online easy and very quickly.
I very honestly cannot see where all this hardwork was? unless your not used to actual hard graft?
With all that said, I'm not attempting to shoot you down I've previously stated it was awesome but I get the feeling you guys make out its actually ALOT harder than it actually is.
Hey guy
You NEVER go full re-tard
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Angel HUN
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:55:00 -
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You do not argue with a Unicorn.
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Charlie
Originally by: TriadSte
"rainbows and lollypops"
Again, facepalming so hard my hand just went out the back of my skull...
I'm not going to start showing you the time sheets of the team for the past month, your so oblivious to whats been worked on I have to cling on to the hope your trolling me.
So I'll depart from this thread asking the rest of you to please bear with us, and just for the record its 21:49 here in Iceland and yes I'm still at the office.
If it makes any difference, the important people (like myself) think you guys do a great job every year, though i have gone flaccid waiting for the day 5 vids (i aint seen any of the matches yet) its only because im looking forward to them.
considering the work that goes into this kind of thing its amazing that you have managed to run it for so long without something going seriously wrong
So, for all the important people in eve, i say
:madprops:
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steave435
Caldari
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.06.22 22:05:00 -
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Yeah, seriously just STFU Triad...
Thanks allot for bringing this to us at all Charlie, awesome show. I understand it takes a while to do, so not trying to rush you, but do you have a rough estimate on when you think they will be up? Just want to know if I should stop updating my youtube search every hour :)
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.06.22 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte
*useless crap*
Seriously ... you seems to be like the biggest idiot in all threads during those tournament threads.
Charlie take all the time it needs to make a good job. Oh and dont forget to get a beer or 2 while the videos render. :)
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.06.22 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte
My mom says I'm really special, and you people should all listen to me.
Is this one of those occasions where a personal insult will go unpunished. I have a few lined up.
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Elendar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.22 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Rive
Originally by: CCP Charlie
Originally by: TriadSte
"rainbows and lollypops"
Again, facepalming so hard my hand just went out the back of my skull...
I'm not going to start showing you the time sheets of the team for the past month, your so oblivious to whats been worked on I have to cling on to the hope your trolling me.
So I'll depart from this thread asking the rest of you to please bear with us, and just for the record its 21:49 here in Iceland and yes I'm still at the office.
If it makes any difference, the important people (like myself) think you guys do a great job every year, though i have gone flaccid waiting for the day 5 vids (i aint seen any of the matches yet) its only because im looking forward to them.
considering the work that goes into this kind of thing its amazing that you have managed to run it for so long without something going seriously wrong
So, for all the important people in eve, i say
:madprops:
What he said. I can't wait for the videos as i've not seen our matches yet but totally understand why it takes a long time.
Any rough idea which day they are likely to be out?
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Graic
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Posted - 2010.06.22 23:30:00 -
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Nice to see CCP in here taking time out to argue when there is obviously so much work to be done.
Honestly, guys, how hard is it to grab the footage of the FINAL. Just the final. Whack it up on YouTube. Say, "There you go guys, that's the money shot. We'll be following up over the next few days with more of the eyecandy". SURELY it cannot be that hard?
Like props to CCP for what they try to do, but you shouldn't make out that bloody everything you undertake is an Everest climb.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.06.22 23:52:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Graic
Nice to see CCP in here taking time out to argue when there is obviously so much work to be done.
Honestly, guys, how hard is it to grab the footage of the FINAL. Just the final. Whack it up on YouTube. Say, "There you go guys, that's the money shot. We'll be following up over the next few days with more of the eyecandy". SURELY it cannot be that hard?
Like props to CCP for what they try to do, but you shouldn't make out that bloody everything you undertake is an Everest climb.
You actually dont want to see the finals but the matches before. ;)
just saying.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.22 23:53:00 -
[53]
Everyone who is *****ing at CCP Charlie and the EVE TV team needs to HTFU. No matter what you think you know about how this works, you don't because you're not there and you don't know what is going on.
Let me clue you all in - Charlie, Claw, JamesW, Stevie and the dozen other devs that you don't even see or know the names of do this as a labor of love. They aren't getting paid extra or overtime. It's a personal thing for many of them, something that has grown over the years. They have had to fight tooth and nail for every penny of funding to put this event on, not to mention the endless number of meetings to convince everyone from Marketing to the Executive Board that it's worth their time.
It's simply amazing what the tourney has become from where it began. Many people don't even realize or remember what the first few tourneys were like. You damn kids don't know how good you got it!!! GRRRRRR!!!!  
Even now, despite how popular the tourney is, the actual number of CCP'ers involved in producing it is still very low. That awesome set where Soundwave was sitting with the guests and commentators? Built by hand by a few CCPers over a weekend.
As for the YouTube vids, have some ****ing patience so it can be done right and not just slapped up there. Charlie is limited by many things, but sleep isn't one of them because I've seen the guy go 2-3 days and come out the other end of a FanFest or Tourney looking like a zombie. But sometimes the six computers he has around his desk rendering the footage aren't enough, ya know, or **** just doesn't work.
To all of you who support the EVE TV guys, thank you. A few pats on the back is all they ask for in order to keep up their desire to continue producing something that is truly unique and awesome in the online gaming world. 
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CCP Charlie
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Posted - 2010.06.23 00:06:00 -
[54]
Thanks for the support guys :).
To give you guys an update, the recordings for each day come in at 300+ gb files, simply copying these over to other machines takes ages o.0. After spending half of Monday tearing down the set and moving the equipment back to the office I started spreading the work load around the evetv machines and came up against two problems.
Firstly the Saturday recording just refuses to leave the drive its on, failing at the same point during the copying process. That has me worried but the file is still playing fine and I've decided to simply edit and compress all of Saturday's recording on that machine as that would get results quicker (assuming there are no file issues). That pc is now compressing the last match on Saturday but I still need to start on the studio content of the day.
Meanwhile the Sunday recording was working ok but somehow picked up some nasty video sync issues. Thats actually what I've spent most of the day fixing and most of the evening I've been rendering that out. Right now I'm up to rendering the quarter finals + all the studio content up to that. This still needs to be compressed.
In the past the aim was to have Day 5 up by Wednesday evening, and Day 6 by Thursday. I can't promise yet to deliver by Wednesday but I'm fairly sure unless something goes horribly wrong that it will be all online on Thursday.
This whole process is something I definitely want to improve on in the future and I already know how to do it. I just need to get funding for a few more computers, capture cards, software keys and most importantly another 2 more volunteers from ccp to give up their weekends and edit video :).
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Graic
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Posted - 2010.06.23 00:27:00 -
[55]
Charlie,
Thank you. That wasn't so hard.
Giving people just a sensible reason why is enough.
You're having technical issues probably due simply to the volume of video captured on the rig you had set up for this.
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Ikoras
Minmatar
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:19:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Ikoras on 23/06/2010 02:23:58
Originally by: CCP Charlie
Thanks for the support guys :).
To give you guys an update, the recordings for each day come in at 300+ gb files, simply copying these over to other machines takes ages o.0. After spending half of Monday tearing down the set and moving the equipment back to the office I started spreading the work load around the evetv machines and came up against two problems.
Sorry I Fail to see your point probably the worst maybe even avg for euro is 12 MB upload ( and most people are around 20 now a days) and seeings how CCP is a gaming company I'd imagine you have at the very least 25mb up. it should take around 5hours max to do a full upload per day
Originally by: CCP Charlie
Firstly the Saturday recording just refuses to leave the drive its on, failing at the same point during the copying process. That has me worried but the file is still playing fine and I've decided to simply edit and compress all of Saturday's recording on that machine as that would get results quicker (assuming there are no file issues). That pc is now compressing the last match on Saturday but I still need to start on the studio content of the day.
this Happens quite often with big files sometimes it works other and unfortunate times it don't. I'm guessing you aren't running Fedora/Redhat servers or this might not of happened. This is a common problem with windows and if you are using Linux and this is happening you are doing something wrong. Although I could be wrong with server 2008, 2003 however is a different story
Originally by: CCP Charlie
Meanwhile the Sunday recording was working ok but somehow picked up some nasty video sync issues. Thats actually what I've spent most of the day fixing and most of the evening I've been rendering that out. Right now I'm up to rendering the quarter finals + all the studio content up to that. This still needs to be compressed.
Understandable
Originally by: CCP Charlie
In the past the aim was to have Day 5 up by Wednesday evening, and Day 6 by Thursday. I can't promise yet to deliver by Wednesday but I'm fairly sure unless something goes horribly wrong that it will be all online on Thursday.
Last year It was sooner if I remember Correctly, I could be wrong though.
Originally by: CCP Charlie
This whole process is something I definitely want to improve on in the future and I already know how to do it. I just need to get funding for a few more computers, capture cards, software keys and most importantly another 2 more volunteers from ccp to give up their weekends and edit video :).
If an IT isn't asking for more funding constantly he's doing it wrong :P
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.06.23 03:50:00 -
[57]
rabble rabble rabble rabble
Quote:
CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Doom Guard
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.23 03:59:00 -
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why dont you guys ( CCP ) just ask the community to help with this and get people recording / encoding the video ahead of time?
Im sure you would get 50 + people with awesome computers who would be GLAD to get these up on youtube as damn close to real time as possible.
CCP needs to be spending time improving the gaming universe, not having 1 - 2 people grinding through 2 TB's of video...
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Viper Shizzle
The Illuminati.
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Posted - 2010.06.23 04:56:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Seleene
They have had to fight tooth and nail for every penny of funding to put this event on, not to mention the endless number of meetings to convince everyone from Marketing to the Executive Board that it's worth their time.
The absolute worst thing about CCP, right there.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.23 05:54:00 -
[60]
I know you're trolling but I'll bite just because you make it so easy to pick apart.
Originally by: TriadSte
Originally by: CCP Charlie
During the qualifying weekends we have a fraction of the work load compared to the final weekend
Please explain? each match players are spawned into a empty location, a match takes place end of story the exact same applies to the final weekend does it not? Only more matchs on a much longer time frame as when compared to the qualifiers so the workload is the same per hour. Its just a few hours more?
For simplicities sake, assume it takes 1 hour of post production for every hour of video shot. If they were to come in and shoot 4 hours of video, then that would require 4 hours to make it to the final upload, 8 hours total. If they were to add 2 more hours of video, that would result in 2 hours of post processing, meaning an extra 4 hours. In other words, the time requirement for shooting more video is multiplied by a constant > 1, making it take more time than you'd initially think.
Originally by: TriadSte
Originally by: CCP Charlie
We can record each match individually and then while the next match starts up have someone working on the edit and compression so we can get the matches up on youtube really quickly
Edit? that takes what? 30 seconds in a editor? slice at the start point, slice the stuff after the final ship death. Compression takes no time on a decent machine which im sure you have there at CCP.
Moving the video to a different computer, loading the video into the editor, skipping around to find the start/end points, exporting, watching it through at 2x to make sure it exported correctly, then doing the paperwork part of the youtube upload probably takes more like 10-15 minutes, which happens to be pretty close to how long the matches are.
Originally by: TriadSte
Originally by: CCP Charlie
On the final studio weekends we are all incredibly busy bringing you the live show. Instead of breaks in between matches we're bringing you studio content to enjoy. The small army of machines we have are all busy making that happen and all the team is working flat out on the show. So currently doing all the back end work involved with getting matches on youtube can't be done by us at the same time.
How is all of CCP "incredibly busy" You have 4 guys in the studio nattering and attempting to make conversation until a match begins there are alot of awkward silences too.
So we got 4 guys talking in the studio
We got 2 commentators for the match
Why are you oh so incredibly busy?
Ever watched the credits at the end of a movie? Ever notice that there are significantly more names on there than actors? That's because for every person on screen, you need quite a few people behind the scenes. I'd guess evetv had at least 3 camera people, probably the same number doing sound, and then 1-2 people to handle cutting between cameras and displaying what actually shows up on the stream. And that's a bare minimum.
Originally by: TriadSte
Originally by: CCP Charlie
Getting all these matches on youtube is no trivial task and with the studio segments the final weekend comprises of 70+ videos to upload, or around 13 hours of HD content. We'll strive to have this content available for you as soon as possible this week.
I'm thinking about the pure raw bandwidth you guys have at your disposal at CCP how can it take 2 days to get them uploaded?
I think one of the normal days worth of 720p video is about 2.7 gigs, the finals are probably twice that with all the content in the middle. I'd be willing to guess a minimum of 4 hours to upload all that on a "business class" connection that CCP probably has access to. And that's not factoring in youtube messing up (upload freezing, normal processing, automated copyright detector false positives, etc.). Then someone probably has to watch them all to do one final check for editing/youtube errors, and re-edit/re-upload if any are found.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.06.23 07:01:00 -
[61]
Angry little brats screaming like hunrgy little robbins waiting for mummy to come back and shove a still fresh maggot down there gready little beaks ^^ been there myself ! at the end of the day if its too much for you to bear you could always organise your own tourney and then u wouldnt have to wait ^^
Lesson number one: before openning your beak simply watch a whole days matces + studio breaks and make sure that every minute is ok/ synced, by the time you have done this first task u might have chilled a little.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:09:00 -
[62]
Having seen the amount of effort that goes into organising and running the tournament, I'm amazed at the level of entitlement some people have who clearly have no clue whatsoever how much time and manpower is involved.
CCP Charlie and the rest of the crew are some of the most dedicated people you could ever meet and this level of abuse is simply not necessary.
TeaDaze.net Blog | CSM Database |
tiviirulez
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:45:00 -
[63]
If the company is not willing to allocate the proper resources to an event like this let it be.
Bragging about another pcu-record and 19k watching an awesome event fostering the game on the one hand and then having one person pull the video editing in his spare time when the stream was not watchable for many on the other is hypocritical in the least.
The fanbois is strong in here. Nothing wrong with TriadSte's reasoning.
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Somekind Damage
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Posted - 2010.06.23 09:16:00 -
[64]
Can very well understand why people are asking questions, tho i dont share their opinions.. it also mind boggles me how the other days could be uploaded within 2 hours and the final day with 50-60mins more studio equals to days.
I might be wrong, mind you i didnt see the final thanks to telenor >_>
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LoveKebab
Caldari
LOST IDEA
C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.06.24 14:26:00 -
[65]
http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES - vids r up :)
xVid4PSP MKV Encoding Tutorial |
Kashimir
Otoko no Baito
The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:40:00 -
[66]
Originally by: LoveKebab
http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES - vids r up :)
Made my day. Have been waiting to rewatch some of the fights.
And the wait made this moment just that much more win. 
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TriadSte
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:56:00 -
[67]
Edited by: TriadSte on 24/06/2010 15:56:55
My intentions were not to shoot CCP down at all. However I feel many take my point of view but are somewhat afriad to post it in fear of possible account ban. That bothers me also quite alot actually but I am not one of the normal forum trolls who brown nose CCP GMs.
I tell it how I see it.
Yes there are more people behind the scenes than I wrote I know this but as previous posters have written the qualifiers were uploaded within hours of the live event taking place yet the finals took many days. Mathematically what was written as the reasoning was flawed and inaccurate.
The same goes for the server switch thats been going on for 31 hours now, CCP you do not realise that all the player base want is a actual decent time for when TQ will be going online.
The last 24 hours you have made yourself as a company look absolutely stupid and hugely unprofessional with your super inaccurate guesstimates as to when TQ will be available. Today It has gone from a midday GMT to 4PM UTC.
I know that the past 24 hours have been crazy for you I'm sure there was stress levels and people close to breaking point. We can all appreciate this but again because of the way I am I have to add that I personally can't see how this server migration was planned very well.
The actual moving of the hardware shouldn't have taken long - label and unplug wires, slot out the server take to new room slot in server rack, plug wires back in.
What was it that took most of the time? I mean honestly tell us please I am very interested - seriously no sarcasm.
I respect everyone of you working on this matter even though at times I express myself wrongly on these boards I am just such a keen person to get across to you that your level of customer interaction is below par. There was MORE information during the time when these boards were down on FACEBOOK the website of bored housewives than there is anywhere else.
Tell us the truth from the very first post, Don't give us a routine copy and paste lame excuse. The community will never ever ***** about this type of stuff if you treat us as adults instead of children, You can tell a child anything they will believe you.
We are not children therefore see through alot of whats given as reasons.
Damn im gonna get set on fire for this.
Flame on!
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Rhodin Lazarith
EXTERMINATUS.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:16:00 -
[68]
I'm sure youtube's ******edly slow upload times don't help the situation much either.
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Clygorn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:20:00 -
[69]
Originally by: LoveKebab
http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES - vids r up :)
Can't see the day 5 matches, only the studio vids.
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TriadSte
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:48:00 -
[70]
http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES#p/c/FA3D7D95D8A22A2F
Finals :)
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DelachinGuntai
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:49:00 -
[71]
Thanks for getting these up. Because of my Timezone I couldn't watch watch more than the first few matches live every night. You guys put on a great show, quality was great, streaming was almost flawless. I just came home from an 18 hour shift (IT work also...) and i am thrilled to enjoy a few beers, watch a few matches, then collapse. Thanks for all the work, I look forward to AT9.
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steave435
Caldari
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:15:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Clygorn
Originally by: LoveKebab
http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES - vids r up :)
Can't see the day 5 matches, only the studio vids.
Allot of them are miss-labled as day 6, search for the teams invlolved, not the day.
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Camios
Minmatar
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:22:00 -
[73]
CCP people are awesome. Go on with the great work.
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