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DHB WildCat
Flash Over.
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:07:00 -
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Pls do not reward a team in a tie that is running away for its life.
The legion tried to fight, and the loki was a coward. Not right if the coward moves on.
Just my opinion.
WildCat
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Markus Reese
Caldari
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:08:00 -
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Signed, points for honoUr!!!!!
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clev age
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:08:00 -
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agreed
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Halaster Blackcloak
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:09:00 -
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GG Dystopia, i hope an aids ridden Hobo ****s you on a dark alley
(in game)
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Langoss
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:09:00 -
[5]
signed
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Smk56
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:10:00 -
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agreed
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Kurt Ambrose
Caldari
D00M.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:11:00 -
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Dystopia should gain extra points for all this rage they have generated.
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Kristian Pistian
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:12:00 -
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I have to agree :p AT is about pvp, not running away from it.
Props to the dramiel for evening the score though 
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:12:00 -
[9]
 Originally by: DHB WildCat
Pls do not reward a team in a tie that is running away for its life.
The legion tried to fight, and the loki was a coward. Not right if the coward moves on.
Just my opinion.
WildCat
yeah thats like hugging empire gates in lowsec with faction ships and falcon alts
not cool 
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Kidney Seller
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:13:00 -
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Logical reasons why Pandas should win
a) Dramiel died like a ******
b) Loki had about 50% shields, Legion had about 90% shields
c) Legion tried to fight
d) Pandas are nice animals
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:14:00 -
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On the off chance that they win the whole thing I say they get a vanilla Thorax BPO instead of the Adrestia print ..
Claw, make sure this pathetic thing does not happen next year!
PS: Severe limitations on eWar use as well please.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:15:00 -
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Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahaha
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Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:15:00 -
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Read tha Rulezz!
it is in ower nature to use evr rule stipulation to ower advantage.
We intended this outcome 3 years ago.
^_^/
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Certified
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:16:00 -
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Winning an arena death match by running away... There should definitely be a rule change for AT9.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:17:00 -
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Yes, people should have to sit perfectly still.
Also ban all forms of e-war, logistics drones and voice comms.
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Blackhorizon
Habitual Euthanasia
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Blackhorizon on 20/06/2010 17:17:41
Heh I was burned out in the Dramiel on everything escaping earlier v0v
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Kerc Kasha
Caldari
Joe Loten Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:18:00 -
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tyrrax should be executed irl for this insult!!!
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Sir MoIle
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cap Tyrian
We intended this outcome 3 years ago.
^_^/
Can confirm this; it was planned on BoB BBQ in 2006.
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NTRabbit
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:19:00 -
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All this hate, it makes me feel alive
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:20:00 -
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im sad panda didnt go on , got some old friends there.
when that is said then you really cant blame dys, most of you if you have brains would do the same, CCP make the rules and just like a football team that doesnt need to score to win there group then dys didnt need to take any risk in the end but just stay alive.
When it comes down to it only 1st place counts.
cheers to dys for being tactical and go for the win , if theyhad lost because of being brave , they would get just as much troll for not being smart.
p.s , and u all know it, just wont admit it because you are all such awesome pvp,ers
"primary the Freki "
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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:20:00 -
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Next year shrink the play field to force the remaining players to fight. That was total BS. Panda won that match.
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Morvyn
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahaha
Emptyquotin' for truth.
I really hope Dystopia wins the tourney overall because a) TT is hillarious and b) there will be even more tears (i.e., spaceship fuel) than when HYDRA camped PL into a station on Sisi.
Originally by: SkeDOOSH
They are godless killing machines that put even grizzly bears to shame.
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Ayden Shadowblade
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:21:00 -
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its a PvP tourney...not a race (DPS race not included)...nuff said
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:21:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahaha
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Tarnag
Habitual Euthanasia
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
Just my opinion.
WildCat
you're right, just your opinion.
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Whiny McEmokid
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:21:00 -
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for great honoUr \o/
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Kainos Kerensky
Shadows Of The Requiem
Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahaha
You are truly pathetic kid. Pretty sad when commentators, and players across eve hate you and your alliance. More sad when those same people, from multiple countries and backgrounds, associate your name, and by proxy those that fly with you, as failures.
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shone
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kainos Kerensky
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahaha
You are truly pathetic kid. Pretty sad when commentators, and players across eve hate you and your alliance. More sad when those same people, from multiple countries and backgrounds, associate your name, and by proxy those that fly with you, as failures.
This man is right. I dont want my name associated with you anymore!
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:27:00 -
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Well althugh it's kinda lame it's also the smart thing to do. The effed up part is the stupid tiebreaker rule.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:27:00 -
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It's a ****ty way to win. But, it is the rules and everyone who entered the tournament knew them, or should have. Just like dying to a black screen is a ****ty way to go out, it is the game and everyone knows that when they jump in.
I like fast paced action myself but they played by the rules and won. And like what was said earlier, they would have been trolled either way, so why not be trolled while advancing in the tournament??
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kainos Kerensky
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahaha
You are truly pathetic kid. Pretty sad when commentators, and players across eve hate you and your alliance. More sad when those same people, from multiple countries and backgrounds, associate your name, and by proxy those that fly with you, as failures.
More likely some(you) people rage impotently for a few days and that will be it. I can also confirm, that others(me) didn't care for the ending, but accept that teams are here to win the tournament and would be fools to let e-honour come in the way.
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5kyscreamx
Mad Bombers
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:28:00 -
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hurry up and sell your characters.
noone cares what you have to say anymore.
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:28:00 -
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Panda Team won that match :(
The AT is about fighting, not running away.
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:28:00 -
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The rules were in place before the tourney began. We would go through on points in the event of a tie. This was not a secret to anyone. Panda had to BEAT us on points. They failed to do so. Stop whining about it.
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Arth Lawing
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:32:00 -
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Points should not carry from qualifiers to finals.
Nothing would have to be killed at all, you could just field fast frigs and run away the entire fight.
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Huan CK
Gallente
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:32:00 -
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agreed :)
90% shield > 50% shield, and heads on we would have won that easily. Thats a gay gay way of winning and unsuited for a pvp-tournament. I'm very diappointed by this move, and sad to see dystopia move on. I hope you get to lose the next match.
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:32:00 -
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signed
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Zaval
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:34:00 -
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Dystopia is a French Alliance? They were able to run away so quickly, obviously they have lots of practice.
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Huan CK
agreed :)
90% shield > 50% shield, and heads on we would have won that easily. Thats a gay gay way of winning and unsuited for a pvp-tournament. I'm very diappointed by this move, and sad to see dystopia move on. I hope you get to lose the next match.
The legion would have destroyed the loki 1v1. We knew we'd win on seed, we decided to do so.
Don't pretend you wouldn't have done the same.
nice tears tho~
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Fintroll
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:36:00 -
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yeah dystopia is gay as hell
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zaval
Dystopia is a French Alliance? They were able to run away so quickly, obviously they have lots of practice.
Were you mad when we brought a setup to just score points and wiped your team out?
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Zarch AlDain
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Zarch AlDain on 20/06/2010 17:37:44
Well played Dystopia. I knew what you were doing when you came back in to finish off my poor abso but there wasn't much I could do to stop you except spread out some ECM drones and try and do some damage before I died. :(
Can't argue with the win - the rules are the rules. I don't agree with the rule but can't really complain about you exploiting it!
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Orphelia Shadowsong
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Orphelia Shadowsong on 20/06/2010 17:39:41
Edited by: Orphelia Shadowsong on 20/06/2010 17:39:18
Everyone knows that GANK is all about the :goodfights: while Dystopia is a collection of rejects and has beens that noone else will have in their alliance so I doubt anyone was surprised by the cowardish move on their behalf.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:39:00 -
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Dystopia should definitely get the win. Running away or turtle-tank tactics are lame but very valid strategies and you cannot just arbitrarily decide that one team should lose.
The rule that sucks is the tiebreaker rule. They should have a 1v1 AF overtime deathmatch or something. No one likes to see a team advance based on something that happened weeks ago.
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Xodius Raldari
Amarr
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:39:00 -
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GJ Dystopia, Claw owes us 1vs1'er a new mouse.
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Jean Renault
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:43:00 -
[46]
xodius > viper anyday of the week, anytime of the day
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Demon Seeker
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:43:00 -
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The entire tournament is based on points, right down to the ship setups. Therefore Dystopia did exactly what they had to do to win. If you watch and see how much dps that Dramiel recovered and escaped from you'd prolly guess that he had to burn out his mods to stay alive as long as he did thus finally getting caught; and the fact that he soaked up as much fire he did that could have been placed onto killing other things faster absolutely helped in that win.
Grow up kiddies, it's not a "Fight to the death" match, it's a points tournament.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Huan CK
agreed :)
90% shield > 50% shield, and heads on we would have won that easily. Thats a gay gay way of winning and unsuited for a pvp-tournament. I'm very diappointed by this move, and sad to see dystopia move on. I hope you get to lose the next match.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahaha
Get a grip, Huan.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
No one likes to see a team advance based on something that happened weeks ago.
I would love to see hydra loose on the same rule for what they did in there first match.
sorry zarch , i was cheering for ya, but as allways you take it as a man.
cya friend o/
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Markus Reese
Caldari
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kurj Valdoria
The rules were in place before the tourney began. We would go through on points in the event of a tie. This was not a secret to anyone. Panda had to BEAT us on points. They failed to do so. Stop whining about it.
In that you are true, but what would dystopia feel about having the rule changed for next tourney, or one added? While it was a win, and if I was FC of your team, I would have done the same thing because your loki pilot probably would have lost the one on one. But isn't running the ring without engaging no different than docking up in a station or running away and therefore not pvp? Would you not smacktalk local if somebody did the same in open TQ combat?
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Zarch AlDain
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte
Originally by: Vaal Erit
No one likes to see a team advance based on something that happened weeks ago.
I would love to see hydra loose on the same rule for what they did in there first match.
sorry zarch , i was cheering for ya, but as allways you take it as a man.
cya friend o/
It happens :) Was a very close match and we always knew Dystopia and PL were going to be our main threats when it came to reaching the finals.
Originally by: Markus Reese
Originally by: Kurj Valdoria
The rules were in place before the tourney began. We would go through on points in the event of a tie. This was not a secret to anyone. Panda had to BEAT us on points. They failed to do so. Stop whining about it.
In that you are true, but what would dystopia feel about having the rule changed for next tourney, or one added? While it was a win, and if I was FC of your team, I would have done the same thing because your loki pilot probably would have lost the one on one. But isn't running the ring without engaging no different than docking up in a station or running away and therefore not pvp? Would you not smacktalk local if somebody did the same in open TQ combat?
Well, I'm not Dystopia and not even anyone official from Panda but I think they should have a rule that says:
Instead of a 15 minute time limit:
From 13 minutes into the match the arena size will be reduced by 25km radius per minute.
(13: 100km, 14: 75km, 15: 50km, 16L 25km).
At 17 minutes all mid and low slot mods would be put offline. (GM might need a new tool to do that!)
At 18 minutes whichever team has highest total points value of ship * % of ship HP remaining wins.
(i.e. a team with a command ship on 50% hp and a bomber on full would get 6 pts for the bomber and 16*0.5 for the command ship).
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NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zaval
Dystopia is a French Alliance? They were able to run away so quickly, obviously they have lots of practice.
Dont you have a french alliance allied with you? wonder how they feel re that comment 
rules are rules stop crying - Dystopia won (Gratz)
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Markus Reese
Caldari
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zarch AlDain
Well, I'm not Dystopia and not even anyone official from Panda but I think they should have a rule that says:
Instead of a 15 minute time limit:
From 13 minutes into the match the arena size will be reduced by 25km radius per minute.
(13: 100km, 14: 75km, 15: 50km, 16L 25km).
At 17 minutes all mid and low slot mods would be put offline. (GM might need a new tool to do that!)
At 18 minutes whichever team has highest total points value of ship * % of ship HP remaining wins.
(i.e. a team with a command ship on 50% hp and a bomber on full would get 6 pts for the bomber and 16*0.5 for the command ship).
Oooh, the shrinking arena could be interesting, but tough to execute. For the sake of entertainment (as seen in the match) I think a simple rule where you cannot sit and run for x minutes. If the team does not actively engage, then forfeit, or say one point to apposing team per minute of failure to engage? Course this would not count if it is due to ewar, etc.
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Zarch AlDain
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:26:00 -
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Nah, it's easy enough.
CCP Claw> in 30 seconds arena will shrink to 100km
CCP Claw> in 10 seconds arena will shrink to 100km
CCP Claw> Arena is now 100km
*pop pop pop*
CCP Claw> in 30 seconds arena will shrink to 75km
CCP Claw> in 10 seconds arena will shrink to 75km
CCP Claw> Arena is now 75km
*pop pop pop*
etc.
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Demon Seeker
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Posted - 2010.06.20 20:48:00 -
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Oh wait, so because you can't catch the weaker faster ship they should force it to get closer to you? Ya. That's sounds uber-fair.
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The Lynxpardinus
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Posted - 2010.06.20 22:36:00 -
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Seriously guys,
If Panda wanted the win they should have done better on previous matches. Crying now and making up overcomplicated rules that would benefit your style of play is not the way. Also, Panda brought to the match ships that could have overtaken, tackle and kill that Loki, it is their own fault they lost those ships early and thus the game.
The fact is not that Dystopia won by running away, Panda had already lost the game before that point.
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ShadowZoor
GK inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 11:40:00 -
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a coin toss or something funny would have made me laugh for this match, but gj dystopia despite what they say we would have done the same damn thing!
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Zarch AlDain
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.21 12:24:00 -
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Grow up. Dystopia won fair and square by the letter of the rules and I've never said otherwise.
I'm suggesting a rule that will improve the tourney in the future - and is just as likely to penalise us as anyone else since we've flown our fair share of Minmatar/fast setups! If we'd won the match the same way Dystopia did I'd have (1) taken the win and (2) made the same suggestion for a rules change.
I believe this is actually the first time in tourney history (certianly since the new format was introduced with this tiebreaker rule) that the "tiebreaker" rule has actually come into effect which is why it's getting so much discussion now.
Watching one ship run away for 8 minutes is not fun for anyone... never mind who wins or loses at the end...
Imagine the scenario where one team comes out of the qualifiers ranked first and then proceeed through to win the tournament without ever destroying an enemy ship.
If they brought enough speed/tank that is exactly what could be done using the existing rules (although it would be unlikely I admit!).
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2010.06.21 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zarch AlDain
Grow up. Dystopia won fair and square by the letter of the rules and I've never said otherwise.
I'm suggesting a rule that will improve the tourney in the future - and is just as likely to penalise us as anyone else since we've flown our fair share of Minmatar/fast setups! If we'd won the match the same way Dystopia did I'd have (1) taken the win and (2) made the same suggestion for a rules change.
I believe this is actually the first time in tourney history (certianly since the new format was introduced with this tiebreaker rule) that the "tiebreaker" rule has actually come into effect which is why it's getting so much discussion now.
Watching one ship run away for 8 minutes is not fun for anyone... never mind who wins or loses at the end...
Imagine the scenario where one team comes out of the qualifiers ranked first and then proceeed through to win the tournament without ever destroying an enemy ship.
If they brought enough speed/tank that is exactly what could be done using the existing rules (although it would be unlikely I admit!).
This tbh, can't rightly blame Dystopia for doing the tourney by the book and no way that loki would have survived 1v1 with the legion (although legions still are terribad and need a buff).
However, at least when it's Dystopia running away you can't really look away those 8 benny hill minutes 'cos there could well be a failcascade ^^
All the above is prolly crap
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