Of course it's a choice. .....

There's nothing holy about your skillpoint total. SP are just tools, and adding on more tools just for the sake of saying you have the biggest collection, and then complaining that they weigh you down isn't rational.

Yes, but you guys have to understand that there are costs in building a new clone.

Biomass, expensive machinery, intricate bioengineering, who pays for that?

If you can't afford it perhaps you shouldn't be skilling up.

Just for fun, having all of those skills at five, how much would a clone cost???

Malcanis - How much time are you having to spend on retraining core skills on your new alts? I must say, I am tempted to petition CCP to see if your account was hacked. The arguments you have been trying to formulate in this thread have been absolutely terrible and very unlike you.

Once again. The risk pilots take should be with the ship and such things. NOT how long they have been playing the game.

Implants are voluntary purchases that give distinct tangible benefits, your clone cost is somewhat out of your control unless you wish to stop progressing in the game... and frankly it makes little sense.

Why, exactly, should a clone with more skills learned cost more? Is it more expensive to grow one with a bigger brain?

Yes, I'm being a bit silly with the question but it really does make no sense what so ever.

There are better ways to do this that also promote using inexpensive, riskier ships in combat... and involve player industry and the economy.

INDIVIDUAL clones are expensive. At 40 million isk, clone costs can be a barrier to high-risk PVP. "just for fun" roams where you expect to eventually die go from pocket change to costing an hour's worth of PVE. When CCP continues to indicate they want to encourage more PVP, clone costs are doing the opposite.

Can't afford to lose your pod? Then don't undock.

Like this idea a lot.

Love the addition of a PI build for these thats wicked and well done imo.

I do not like the copy and paste of the skills. Id suggest something more on the lines of you save, randomly, up to the amount of the level you have trained. Level 0 gives you 25mil as a base, though it wont actually work until you have L1 trained, which would net you 50mil sp, L2 75mil, L3 100, L4 125 and L5 150. Then have an advanced level thatll do 50mil sp per level. Thatd pretty much cover everyone currently in Eve.

The reason I dont like the copy and paste is its a long winded work around thats annoying as people WILL forget about skills and reqs. But the snapshot of skill training at the time and no active training on that clone is a nice touch, though Id say that the original clone should stay training with its attributes and whatever in place. Ironically this will encourage using these while having a +5 implant set for training sitting in a station somewhere.

Issues I have. Using a medical facility or more specifically a clone vat bay where would the original clone stay? You cannot have more than one clone in any station at once, though you can have an active clone and a jump clone there, but storing 2 clones needs work there. In a clone vat bay there is a set number of clones available as well. Do these use up the clone vat bay clone amounts? Also if the ship gets blown up with these clones in them if stored are they destroyed? Just some questions and issues to address.

Clone death. If they are destroyed before the 48 hour expiration period and one waits out the timer how long until one can use another clone of this sort again? If its immediate or delayed again by another timer like the current JC timers? Can a person pod themselves so as to get out of a clone early before the 48 hour expiration timer? This imo is one of the easiest ways to abuse the system. If its all immediate and u can use more than one itd be an easy way to go around JC timers for short periods. Not a huge issue but still something to look at. As if they are installed in dif areas of Eve one can simply reship the clones around different areas.

What immediate would allow is the ability to reship clones just as one reships for quit and painless PvP. Depending on installation I can see it being used to allow force projection of players to certain areas, friendly stations, clone vat bay equipped ships, who would then reship into available fleet fit ships and go from there on short ops. Again force projection is a real problem and though this would open up more PvP combat in a lot of ways by circumventing the current JC timers theres those issues to look into as well.

I think both the newbie and the miner would gladly trade places with the PVP veteran when it comes down to the ease with which their assets (clones, ships, modules) are replaced.

There are plenty of games you can engage in PVP action in in which getting killed doesn't mean any downtime whatsoever. Why not go and play those or petition CCP to add a quick death match option with simulated ships, simulated modules, simulated clones and no ISK penalty for losing any of it. You'll just have to accept it won't have any consequences on the rest of EVE either.

You know if it's too expensive you could, well, just not have a clone, bite the bullet, and re-do a level 5 skill once in a while. Of course this won't work if you're getting popped every day... but apparently you're poor.

Can't afford to lose your pod? Then don't undock.

Maybe an option to forget skills?

Havnt thought much about it so dunno what the consequences would be.

Personally i think the way it is now works. As previously stated, good ISK sink and we definitely need more ISK sinks in this game.

That's exactly what people are doing which is the problem. They either don't undock and there for don't PVP or they only engage when they are at no actual risk of loss as in in large blobs or severely uneven ganks.

The idea is to get people to undock and don't give me that "why don't we just make ships free too" it's not the same thing, because different ships do actually offer different capabilities depending on what you spend on them and hell if you really want you can use a free ship (hello newb ship) so it's not comparable.

EvE 101 says: Don't fly what you can not afford to lose.

There is however also a counterargument, lowering clone costs would significantly increase power projection via death clone jumping.

There is however also a counterargument, lowering clone costs would significantly increase power projection via death clone jumping.

- More PvP happening
-Thus more stuff blowing up
-Thus the need to replace said blow up stuff
-Thus more market transactions
-Thus more sales tax (hello ISK sink)

-Also higher skill point players opting to slide behind the wheel of a smaller ship
-Thus closing the available skill point game when facing a lower skilled player
-Thus evening the odds a bit more for the newer player
-Thus giving the newer player a chance at success
-Thus making him crave for more PvP and less missioning

-Also due to smaller ships being fielded, it will require other smaller ships to catch them
-Thus less players dry humping some titan bridge
-Thus causing them to get in smaller ships
-Thus having to spread out to deal with other players in smaller ships
-Thus blobbing less

We don't want free ships or free PvP at all. All we want is what you risk to be tied to the ship, implants and fittings you decided to bring into combat, NOT of how long you have been a customer.

people complaining about clone costs is hilarious.
it isnt even remotely an issue till youre upwards of 71mil SP or so and if you havnt figured out how stupidly easy isk is to make by then, well, then i feed bad for you son...

If costs are a problem, then just jump into a Rifter, or a Stabber.

Shouldn't be beyond the means for anybody even after clone costs.