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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.22 17:08:00 - [31] Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2010 17:08:38 Originally by: Skippermonkey need a new module that increases your mass when activated... then get the mimmatar to duct tape an infinite point script on it... and create your own wormhole (or crush yourself to death and create a new star?) They're called "bait Broadswords". ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Exploding Tukey Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.22 17:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Sarina Berghil Originally by: Exploding Tukey Are we assuming that the M230 is the epitome of technology and we are never going to figure out how to make a lighter metal then steel? Seriously you are shooting chunks of metal through space, it does not take a lot of recoil since you are not going against air friction or gravity, only accelerating to a decent speed to hit the other ship before it moves. I guess muzzle velocity can be lower in space, but since the effect of the recoil is not dampened by gravity more mechanical contraptions and thrusters may be needed to keep the ship stable. Exactly how much contraptional matter is needed? The mass attribute in the info window will show. EMP L mass 1 kg volumevolume 0.025 m¦ packaged a 800mm cannon shooting a projectile the size of your fist? and 1kg will not exactly create much of a recoil for this pea shooter. <Signature Type="Clever" Width=100% Height=5 Edible="No" />
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.22 17:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Exploding Tukey EMP L mass 1 kg volumevolume 0.025 m¦ packaged a 800mm cannon shooting a projectile the size of your fist? and 1kg will not exactly create much of a recoil for this pea shooter. You need to have your fists checked Anyway, 25 litres and 800mm calibre means you're effectively firing a 5cm thin disk ofà whatever it is they're made of. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kyra Felann Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.22 17:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Cathleia We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth. Actually, mass is exactly the same no matter where you are--it's weight that changes. -----SIGNATURE----- Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.06.22 17:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Exploding Tukey EMP L mass 1 kg volumevolume 0.025 m¦ packaged a 800mm cannon shooting a projectile the size of your fist? and 1kg will not exactly create much of a recoil for this pea shooter. You need to have your fists checked Anyway, 25 litres and 800mm calibre means you're effectively firing a 5cm thin disk ofà whatever it is they're made of. A 5cm disk of EMP of course! Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.22 20:48:00 - [36] Edited by: digitalwanderer on 22/06/2010 20:55:21 Edited by: digitalwanderer on 22/06/2010 20:53:02 Originally by: Merouk Baas 800mm is the caliber, though. The total dimensions of the cannon itself and its turret housing add up to at least several rooms in a house. Alot more than that actually,since if we take some of the largest turrets that were installed in battleships in world war 2,such as the 16" guns on the iowa class,they were 50 caliber turrets,so the lenght of the barrel was 50X longer than the diameter of the round itself,so the turrets were 66.6 feet in lenght(about 20 meters). Apply that basic design rule to an 800mm autocannon,and it ends up being 40 meters in lenght for the barrel itself(about 130 feet long). For an 1400mm artillery,then it gets really wild,as the barrel ends up being 70 meters long(almost 3/4's of a football field),so you end up wondering how the hell can we fit 6 of those turrets in a tempest,or 8 of them in a maelstrom,coming in at 560 meters long for 8 1400mm turrets lined up one behind the other in the maelstrom case..
kingofallgimps Minmatar 11th Gimp Inc	Posted - 2010.06.22 20:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro The only masses that are tied to any game mechanics are ship and MWD masses. All other item masses are just eye candy. And hictor bubbles give an enormous mass reduction when active n unscripted
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2010.06.22 22:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Cathleia We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth. Actually, mass is exactly the same no matter where you are--it's weight that changes. Actually, mass = (rest mass)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2), so it changes with how fast you're going somewhere. We got warp drives, l2relativity.
Tribunia	Posted - 2010.06.22 22:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Backho 800mm is....less then a meter. I dont get how you get "as large as a house" Secondly, ship weight includes all ship points and launcher points. the module is just the weight of the 800mm stick to it. The 800mm reference is a measurement of the inside crossection or diameter of the barrel of the weapon. A weapon with an 800mm barrel isnt anything like a normal cannon mind you. Here are some specs for it and a link to a vid showing it in action. Video Quote: Type of weaponRailway cannon ManufacturerKrupp Caliber 80 cm Total mass 1,350 t Length47.3 m Width7.1 m Height11.6 m Ammunition High-explosive grenade/Armor-piercing grenade Projectile masses - High-explosive grenade 4.8 t - Armor-piercing grenade 7.1 t Muzzle speeds -High-explosive grenade 820 m/s -Armor-piercing grenade720 m/s Maximum ranges -High-explosive grenade 48 km -Armor-piercing grenade38 km
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.22 22:49:00 - [40] Edited by: digitalwanderer on 22/06/2010 22:50:39 Originally by: Tribunia Originally by: Backho 800mm is....less then a meter. I dont get how you get "as large as a house" Secondly, ship weight includes all ship points and launcher points. the module is just the weight of the 800mm stick to it. The 800mm reference is a measurement of the inside crossection or diameter of the barrel of the weapon. A weapon with an 800mm barrel isnt anything like a normal cannon mind you. Here are some specs for it and a link to a vid showing it in action. Video Quote: Type of weaponRailway cannon ManufacturerKrupp Caliber 80 cm Total mass 1,350 t Length47.3 m Width7.1 m Height11.6 m Ammunition High-explosive grenade/Armor-piercing grenade Projectile masses - High-explosive grenade 4.8 t - Armor-piercing grenade 7.1 t Muzzle speeds -High-explosive grenade 820 m/s -Armor-piercing grenade720 m/s Maximum ranges -High-explosive grenade 48 km -Armor-piercing grenade38 km They could only fire a couple of rounds per hour though,even though they were manned by 100+ men,so it kinda makes one wonder how eve's 800mm autocannons can fire every 3~4 secs,especially considering that the autocannons can hold 120 rounds and that takes a huge amount of room for the shells alone in terms of storage space,and the loading and unloading mechanism as each shell is fired and removed for the next one,and still have to track their target. Not to mention taking 120 shells from the cargo bay and into the gun,ready to fire,in 10 secs flat,and doing that for 6 to 8 turrets to boot...

Treiq	Posted - 2010.06.22 23:05:00 - [41] Don't know if this has been said already, but maybe the universial weight of things isn't measured on a planet with 1g? After all, our earth has very little to do with new eden.
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.22 23:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Treiq Don't know if this has been said already, but maybe the universial weight of things isn't measured on a planet with 1g? After all, our earth has very little to do with new eden. Only if there was much lower gravity or even no gravity in the sections of the ship where the guns are located,so it makes it easier to move the massive shells and load them into the guns,but gravity is still very much required in the rest of the ship,otherwise things like bones in a body becoming more fragile,muscles becoming weaker and hearts also not having to work as hard,also making them weaker,are the result....Ask the astronauts onboard the international space station who stay there 6 months and have to train for hours every day to minimize the effects.. While we're at it,since the pod pilot is suspended in fluid,he'd also suffer from muscle atrophy,weaker bones and his circulatory system would also get weaker since he never moves at all,or walks or lifts any heavy objects that force the body to work at all,and what about the immune system too,so it should be fun when incarna comes around and explain how the pilot would even be able to walk after leaving the pod. The body only maintains organs,bones and muscles,even the immune system when they're actually used on a daily basis..
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.23 01:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Treiq Don't know if this has been said already, but maybe the universial weight of things isn't measured on a planet with 1g? After all, our earth has very little to do with new eden. And that matters with respect to mass how? Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Scout Ops Red Federation	Posted - 2010.06.23 02:16:00 - [44] its just a game............ but you can find hilarious to think about Expanded Cargohold I and Expanded Cargohold II I mean: - volume = 5m3 - mass = 50kg --- these increase 17.5% or 27.5% cargohold... LMAO? --- velocity penalty 15% or 10%... ROFL?


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