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Opertone
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:19:00 -
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450 mm autocannon II 200 kg
650 mm autocannon II 2000 kg
800 mm autocannon II 75 kg
what does mass actually do? Why does not it add up to total ship mass? Is it broken
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:22:00 -
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The only masses that are tied to any game mechanics are ship and MWD masses. All other item masses are just eye candy.
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Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:26:00 -
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Very fail eye candy it seems....
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:35:00 -
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Well, for the uninitiated:
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Mass is the Eucharistic celebration in the Latin liturgical rites of the Catholic Church. The term is used also of similar celebrations in Old Catholic Churches, in the Anglo-Catholic tradition of Anglicanism, in Lutheran churches, and in a small number of High Church Methodist parishes. For the celebration of the Eucharist in Eastern Churches, including those in full communion with the Holy See, other terms such as the Divine Liturgy, the Holy Qurbana and the Badarak are normally used. Most Western denominations not in full communion with the Catholic Church also usually prefer terms other than Mass.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
The only masses that are tied to any game mechanics are ship and MWD masses. All other item masses are just eye candy.
*coughplatescough*
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
The only masses that are tied to any game mechanics are ship and MWD masses. All other item masses are just eye candy.
*coughplatescough*
Not quite right. Armor plates have a Mass Addition attribute and not a Mass attribute. 
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:16:00 -
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what i want to no is why is my corpse 200kg lol 
thats just the mass to the volume is like 1m3 aswell 
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RaTTuS
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: RaTTuS on 22/06/2010 09:22:28
BUG reports can be found <- over there
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
The only masses that are tied to any game mechanics are ship and MWD masses. All other item masses are just eye candy.
*coughplatescough*
Not quite right. Armor plates have a Mass Addition attribute and not a Mass attribute.
Oh snap, you're right. 
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Backho
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:56:00 -
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battleship.
say. 99.6 Kilo tonne
addss 250kg of cannons
Round it.
Still 99.6 Kilo tonne.
now add a 10 Kilo tonne plating.
Round it.
= profit $$$
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:03:00 -
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Problem with the mass values is that they are so low. Seriously, a cannon the size of a house has a mass of 200 kg? 200 tonnes would come closer to that.
Similar goes with volumes, too, but that's a scaling issue of a entirely different magnitude. Just look at the size of a ship and then imagine the cube the cargo bay represents to it in comparison. 
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HowardStern
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:07:00 -
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It's something to do with the Higgs' Boson.
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Backho
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:23:00 -
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800mm is....less then a meter.
I dont get how you get "as large as a house"
Secondly, ship weight includes all ship points and launcher points. the module is just the weight of the 800mm stick to it.
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Hrothgar Irrak
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Backho
800mm is....less then a meter.
I dont get how you get "as large as a house"
There's more to an autocannon than the barrel.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:43:00 -
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800mm is the caliber, though. The total dimensions of the cannon itself and its turret housing add up to at least several rooms in a house.
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omgevenmoarfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:44:00 -
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Mass is there so that Angel ships can have less of it and be OP.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2010 11:09:12
Originally by: Hrothgar Irrak
Originally by: Backho
800mm is....less then a meter.
I dont get how you get "as large as a house"
There's more to an autocannon than the barrel.
Eg. the M230 Chain Gun ù a fairly standard 30mm autocannon:
Weight55.9 kg
Length1,638 mm
Width254 mm
Height292 mm
Some silly and thoroughly inaccurate extrapolating from that to 800mm would give us:
Weight1.06 tonnes
Length43m
Width6.8m
Height7.8m
àwhich is pretty much a (lightweight) two-story Viking long house, or a fairly thin carbon-fibre barn.
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Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Problem with the mass values is that they are so low. Seriously, a cannon the size of a house has a mass of 200 kg? 200 tonnes would come closer to that.
Maybe it's not made of steel but... you know, some futuristic ultra light material?
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Opertone
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:24:00 -
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for Angel's sake, CCP, allow ships with shields have less mass than ships with armor plates.
it seems to me that ship's mass should be allowed to be reduced at the expense of armor hit points and structure.
Ammar - heavy structure and heavy armor, caldari - low mass, big shields, but higher signature without overpowered engines. Minmatar, low mass with oversized thrusters, which makes them extremely fast and sleek.
Gallente, higher mass, slower acceleration than other races, higher inertia.
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Cathleia
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Problem with the mass values is that they are so low. Seriously, a cannon the size of a house has a mass of 200 kg? 200 tonnes would come closer to that.
Similar goes with volumes, too, but that's a scaling issue of a entirely different magnitude. Just look at the size of a ship and then imagine the cube the cargo bay represents to it in comparison.
We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth.
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Illwill Bill
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cathleia
We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth.
I got to hear the explanation for this. 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cathleia
We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth.
Ehmà the mass doesn't change just because you're in space. The weight might, and as a result you might have slightly different mass tolerances in your design, but that's about it.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Similar goes with volumes, too, but that's a scaling issue of a entirely different magnitude. Just look at the size of a ship and then imagine the cube the cargo bay represents to it in comparison.
You have Planck Containers which can fit 3,900 m^3 inside, but take up only 3,000 m^3. It is not unreasonable to think that ship cargo holds operate on a similar principle.
Originally by: Opertone
it seems to me that ship's mass should be allowed to be reduced at the expense of armor hit points and structure.
Ever heard of Nanofiber Internal Structure? It doesn't reduce mass, but it increases ship agility - the only in-game effect of mass.
Also, there is one more thing related to ship mass nobody has yet mentioned: wormhole stability.
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.22 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cathleia
Originally by: Abrazzar
Problem with the mass values is that they are so low. Seriously, a cannon the size of a house has a mass of 200 kg? 200 tonnes would come closer to that.
Similar goes with volumes, too, but that's a scaling issue of a entirely different magnitude. Just look at the size of a ship and then imagine the cube the cargo bay represents to it in comparison.
We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth.
I lol'ed
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.22 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
Originally by: Cathleia
Originally by: Abrazzar
Problem with the mass values is that they are so low. Seriously, a cannon the size of a house has a mass of 200 kg? 200 tonnes would come closer to that.
Similar goes with volumes, too, but that's a scaling issue of a entirely different magnitude. Just look at the size of a ship and then imagine the cube the cargo bay represents to it in comparison.
We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth.
I lol'ed
I did to. Loudly enough my co-workers are now confused.
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Kleiner Vance
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Posted - 2010.06.22 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cathleia
We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth.
Einstein is rolling in his grave and Hawking just twitched in his wheelchair.
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Exploding Tukey
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.22 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Exploding Tukey on 22/06/2010 15:45:05
Edited by: Exploding Tukey on 22/06/2010 15:44:51
Originally by: Kleiner Vance
Originally by: Cathleia
We're in outer space. Mass isn't the same as on earth.
Einstein is rolling in his grave and Hawking just twitched in his wheelchair.
Haha, common misconception of mass vs weight. you have the same mass on the moon but you weight a fraction of how much you do on earth. For this you should be beaten with a dictionary encyclopedia.
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2010 11:09:12
Originally by: Hrothgar Irrak
Originally by: Backho
800mm is....less then a meter.
I dont get how you get "as large as a house"
There's more to an autocannon than the barrel.
Eg. the M230 Chain Gun ù a fairly standard 30mm autocannon:
Weight55.9 kg
Length1,638 mm
Width254 mm
Height292 mm
Some silly and thoroughly inaccurate extrapolating from that to 800mm would give us:
Weight1.06 tonnes
Length43m
Width6.8m
Height7.8m
àwhich is pretty much a (lightweight) two-story Viking long house, or a fairly thin carbon-fibre barn.
Are we assuming that the M230 is the epitome of technology and we are never going to figure out how to make a lighter metal then steel? Seriously you are shooting chunks of metal through space, it does not take a lot of recoil since you are not going against air friction or gravity, only accelerating to a decent speed to hit the other ship before it moves.
Plus, obviously it's light, how else can tracking be this good.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Exploding Tukey
Are we assuming that the M230 is the epitome of technology and we are never going to figure out how to make a lighter metal then steel? Seriously you are shooting chunks of metal through space, it does not take a lot of recoil since you are not going against air friction or gravity, only accelerating to a decent speed to hit the other ship before it moves.
I guess muzzle velocity can be lower in space, but since the effect of the recoil is not dampened by gravity more mechanical contraptions and thrusters may be needed to keep the ship stable.
Exactly how much contraptional matter is needed? The mass attribute in the info window will show.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:22:00 -
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need a new module that increases your mass when activated...
then get the mimmatar to duct tape an infinite point script on it...
and create your own wormhole (or crush yourself to death and create a new star?)
 
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.22 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
need a new module that increases your mass when activated...
then get the mimmatar to duct tape an infinite point script on it...
and create your own wormhole (or crush yourself to death and create a new star?)
Let's call the module "Yo Momma!".
*warps off and cloaks*
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