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Nuadi
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Blazie
Thanks a bunch for all your hard work, i can't imagine the last 30 or so hours have been plesant, but I look forward to a faster server when you're done. 
Agreed.
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TheAsiaRickJames
Gallente
Romanian Space Explorer
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:48:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Lutz Major
Originally by: N0A
As a project manager for a team of 120+ programmers, id say its time for you to look for another job. One that does not involve such complicated knowledge like making sure the new setup works BEFORE shutting down the old one.
LOL! Since when are programmer responsible for changing the hardware? In what little world are you living?
IN one where programmers are responsible for TESTING the SOFTWARE placed on the new hardware ? DOH.
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Dylatar
Gallente
Ocean Eleven
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:48:00 -
[33]
/signed
I once was involved in moving Server locations at my work, in combination with adding 3 new servers. And the Eve cluster by far contains more hardware. With that massive changes, you always have to expect the unexpected, and it's very hard (if possible at all) to schedule such work. Computer equipment, and especially network equipent and infrastructure are beasts.
Thanks for all the people working overtime for CCP to get all up and running again. I know how frustrating it can be when things not gonna happen as planned.
So CCP did right in my opinion, to expand the time as long as needed. Everybody wants to play again, but everybody also expects things to run smooth and right after that. ANd thet needs time, so we should give CCP the time needed. :)
This character also finished skill training today in the morning. But, hey this char is 6 years old, and a few hours with no skill training wouldn't kill me nor my char. ;)
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TsukasaTiger
Gallente
Hated Raiders
The Dark Authority
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:48:00 -
[34]
Edited by: TsukasaTiger on 24/06/2010 15:49:25
Thanks for all the hard work CCP! we know your doing your best and its much more appreciated than you guys may realize 
Edited to change spelling mistake :(
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Commander Azrael
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:49:00 -
[35]
Man that must have been one long day for you guys. Just know most of the playerbase appreciate it
I work in the 'biz' too and know how long the days can be but 31 hours is monstrous.
Kudos to you CCP
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MaxxOmega
Caldari
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:49:00 -
[36]
Edited by: MaxxOmega on 24/06/2010 15:57:50
Originally by: N0A
As a project manager for a team of 120+ programmers, id say its time for you to look for another job. One that does not involve such complicated knowledge like making sure the new setup works BEFORE shutting down the old one.
Applications programmers are nothing more than code monkey's who are notorious for lack of testing and *****ing about Change Management. Systems Architecture is where it's at...
They MOVED the existing one, which obviously WAS working before it was shut down. You have obviously never been involved with a major hardware move. ANY number of problems can and do arise. I've seen many such moves in 30 years and there is inevitably unforseen but expected problems. It's not like unplugging a PC and movint it to a different bedroom. (Although that ****s up too).
The mistake here was haveing an estimated 6 hour down time which was way too optomistic. After reading the DEV Blog I figured it was gonna be 15 to 24 hours. 6 hours flys buy in minutes when doing this type of activity...
Originally by: Jason1138
"they didnt replace the servers, so there was no way to test the "new" setup before everything had been moved there."
CCP's own posts said there was a problem with the new routers, in addition to the database problem. Do you really think it would have been impossible for them to test a router before going live with it?
Problems most always show up in Production that don't show up in testing. Idiot...
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:49:00 -
[37]
Originally by: TheAsiaRickJames
Originally by: Lutz Major
Originally by: N0A
As a project manager for a team of 120+ programmers, id say its time for you to look for another job. One that does not involve such complicated knowledge like making sure the new setup works BEFORE shutting down the old one.
LOL! Since when are programmer responsible for changing the hardware? In what little world are you living?
IN one where programmers are responsible for TESTING the SOFTWARE placed on the new hardware ? DOH.
Fun fact: there was little to no new hardware. It just moved. Things go bad when you unrack and rerack them,
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Kate Yeats
Caldari
Everyshore Mineral Acquisition Authority
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:50:00 -
[38]
Crap happens guys, we appreciate your efforts.
CCP management owes you lots of beer
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
Focused Intentions
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:51:00 -
[39]
Originally by: N0A
As a project manager for a team of 120+ programmers, id say its time for you to look for another job. One that does not involve such complicated knowledge like making sure the new setup works BEFORE shutting down the old one.
Cool story bro.
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Nali Kceb
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:52:00 -
[40]
Well if you guys worked as hard as i think you worked you do deserve a extra day off :)
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ViperTan
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:52:00 -
[41]
Beers are on me!
VT
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maddmaxx III
Caldari
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:53:00 -
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ya I hope we can actually have big fight without lag, thanks ccp.
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Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:53:00 -
[43]
Gooooo CCP. There will be lots of love and beer when the servers are up again.
And to the people nerdraging, try go out for a while. Hang out in a park or something. Maybe give your mom a call, she would probably enjoy hearing from you.
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Harkethas
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:54:00 -
[44]
Well done guys, can't imagine the stress and hassle it has been, the other folks on here are correct CCP management owes you LOTS of beer ;)
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Kate Yeats
Caldari
Everyshore Mineral Acquisition Authority
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:55:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Kate Yeats on 24/06/2010 15:55:07
Originally by: Mr M
Maybe give your mom a call, she would probably enjoy hearing from you.
Remember to shout fairly loud if you want her to hear you from the basement.
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Tommy Blue
Executive Intervention
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:55:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Tommy Blue on 24/06/2010 15:55:42
Originally by: N0A
As a project manager for a team of 120+ programmers, id say its time for you to look for another job. One that does not involve such complicated knowledge like making sure the new setup works BEFORE shutting down the old one.
As President of the United States, I'd like to say, u mad?
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:55:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Ulrecht
CCP is trying to give me a better service for the same amount of money every month..... I'm pretty sure that I'm ok with that. Don't really care how long it takes. That's just me though.
Most of the money we give ccp goes to produce other games ala DUST 514 / World of Darkness. Id think the quality and handling/bringing live the past 2 expansions would be evidence of that. Soon eve wont be the only game in the genre and might have to actually release quality stuff... Maybe update more than 1 ship in 6 months. You know what im sayin.
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:56:00 -
[48]
To the CCP Server Team:
Eat ****, you clowns! I wanted to play today, and you just had to go and be your ****-up selves.
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Blazie
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:58:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kate Yeats
Edited by: Kate Yeats on 24/06/2010 15:55:07
Originally by: Mr M
Maybe give your mom a call, she would probably enjoy hearing from you.
Remember to shout fairly loud if you want her to hear you from the basement.
I loled. 
And to the whiners that think they know better, look at TQs specs, it's not your average comp/server farm. You can never truly test it before hand because they're no other computer quite like it.
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Melke
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:58:00 -
[50]
I'd rather have it done right than have it rushed and hear more whining about how stuff doesn't work in-game. Even if that means my character can't switch skills and finished it hours ago 
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xAlexVladx
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:59:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Tiberizzle
To the CCP Server Team:
Eat ****, you clowns! I wanted to play today, and you just had to go and be your ****-up selves.
no more isk for you
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341823
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MaxxOmega
Caldari
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Zeke Mobius
Originally by: Ulrecht
CCP is trying to give me a better service for the same amount of money every month..... I'm pretty sure that I'm ok with that. Don't really care how long it takes. That's just me though.
Most of the money we give ccp goes to produce other games ala DUST 514 / World of Darkness. Id think the quality and handling/bringing live the past 2 expansions would be evidence of that. Soon eve wont be the only game in the genre and might have to actually release quality stuff... Maybe update more than 1 ship in 6 months. You know what im sayin.
Yes, I know what yer saying. Yer an idiot...
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:00:00 -
[53]
I will be furious if they miss another deadline. Because you understand, it's not the lengthy downtimes I object to, it's the fact that they keep assuring as that they won't be lengthy, promising us they'll be up by a certain time and then failing to keep their deadlines.
I wouldn't be nearly so irritated with CCP if they had just said "Yeah, this is probably going to take upwards 24 hours or so, and we can't guarantee even that. Best stick a very long skill on to train". Claiming you can move one of the world's largest and most complex server infrastructures in six hours was a disingenuous lie and an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows the slightest thing about servers. I have a rack server sitting in the other room and a rule of thumb our company has for that godawful machine is that no matter what you're doing to it, always multiply any estimate of the time it will take by four.
Please, stop setting deadlines you know you won't meet. In fact, with this sort of thing, don't set firm deadlines. It wears out people's patience much faster when they're given updates and times to look forward to and have them repeatedly shot down than when they're told "we're in for a long haul here, go grab a bite to eat".
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Kate Yeats
Caldari
Everyshore Mineral Acquisition Authority
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:03:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Zeke Mobius
Maybe update more than 1 ship in 6 months. You know what im sayin.
Cataclysm is almost a 2 year wait. EQII? 12months between expansions.
CCP offer up major changes to gameplay mechanics with their expansions (FW, sov changes, PI), it is part of what keeps the game so damned complex and deep.
If you aren't happy with the service, you know where the unsub button is.
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:03:00 -
[55]
this thread and CCP deserve a thumbs-up-kirby
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Urgg Boolean
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
[56]
I am a registered nurse IRL. I offer my services to CCP for the next huge outage, as I can start intravenous lines that will allow pumping of coffee/red bull directly into your workforce member's bloodstreams. Not knowing who among you had the luxury of sleep during this outage, something like this seems needed.
Let me know if you are interested. Of course, you'll have to pay my round trip airfare to Iceland.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 24/06/2010 16:05:16
As a sysadm I know how they feel. it always sucks for everyone when stuff is down or something crapped itself. But it sucks even more for these server people with a gazillion idiots and other people nagging them every second for. When is it up???!??!
And with software and hardware today. You can do all you can with super human powers. And it will still crap itself sooner or later.
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Kate Yeats
Caldari
Everyshore Mineral Acquisition Authority
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:08:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Andreus LeHane
Claiming you can move one of the world's largest and most complex server infrastructures in six hours was a disingenuous lie and an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows the slightest thing about servers.
So are you saying that you don't know the slightest thing about servers or that knowing 6 hours was an unlikely estimate you're angry at CCP for letting you ignore your own common sense and good judgement in not setting a long skill training like every seasons Eve Pilot does before a major upgrade?
I'm just not sure what your point is, either it was obvious they were going to miss the deadline (and if so that's your own dumb fault) or it wasn't and crap happens.
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Iture
Caldari
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:10:00 -
[59]
If any of the server team are ever in seattle, the beers are on me.
Thanks for moving a super computer for us.
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Baldemar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:14:00 -
[60]
Originally by: N0A
As a project manager for a team of 120+ programmers, id say its time for you to look for another job. One that does not involve such complicated knowledge like making sure the new setup works BEFORE shutting down the old one.
baldemar@eve:/home/baldemar$db2 "select * from forum_HasAClue where Person='N0A'"
PERSON TECH_CREDENTIALS
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0 record(s) selected.
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