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Ratchman
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Posted - 2010.06.28 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II I find it interesting that there's lots of talk of underpriced goods and yet there's hardly any demand on the markets at all. You won't see any repricing until people either use up their own stockpiles or stop making the stuff they need in-corp.
That's a very good point. There are a number of factors that are delaying the inevitable price crash, but it will come.
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Darthion Illys
Amarr Tyrans d'Or Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.28 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Svarty II I find it interesting that there's lots of talk of underpriced goods and yet there's hardly any demand on the markets at all. You won't see any repricing until people either use up their own stockpiles or stop making the stuff they need in-corp.
That's a very good point. There are a number of factors that are delaying the inevitable price crash, but it will come.
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I guess you were one of those who thought that Tritanium would be at 1 isk/u by now, as well, after the insurance fixes.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.28 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 28/06/2010 14:18:29
Originally by: Alain Kinsella
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Not ALL, not even most. The only PI items trending downwards are those from NPC stocks where there is over supply from stocks.
P1/P2/P3 items they've been trending upwards all week.
Would be happy if this is the long-term trend (i.e. higher than original cost).
The majority of goods from NPC supplies are being sold at multiples of the original NPC cost but are still below the cost of production by PI.
Some PI only products are also being sold below production cost (e.g. Industrial Explosives, Virus Agent, Data Chips).
The prices of P1 commodities are rising. This can only exasperate that situation. The prices of intermediate P2/P3 must also rise.
The is still lots of room for massive profits for anybody holding NPC stocks or with liquid isk to buy out those selling below production cost. I just wish I had more liquid isk to capitalise on it.
It seems to me, that a lot of the PI industrialists follow the same thinking as the miners that believe "the minerals I mine myself are free". Perhaps we need a new meme to describe them.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2010.06.28 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Darthion Illys
Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Svarty II I find it interesting that there's lots of talk of underpriced goods and yet there's hardly any demand on the markets at all. You won't see any repricing until people either use up their own stockpiles or stop making the stuff they need in-corp.
That's a very good point. There are a number of factors that are delaying the inevitable price crash, but it will come.
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I guess you were one of those who thought that Tritanium would be at 1 isk/u by now, as well, after the insurance fixes.
What was the point of that post? To denigrate other people with unrelated issues? To make yourself look smart without resorting to actual calculation? And the score? Well thank you for showing me the error of my ways with a handy single digit.
I never understood the psychology of trolls. What feeds the need to poke and prod at other people from behind their glowing LCD shield? Is it insecurity? Is it a bubbling resentment that has been fuelled by their inability to cope with people in the real world?
But here's the real problem with trolling: the only kind of satisfaction you get is from the thought that you have irritated someone else without putting yourself at risk. But this satisfaction is imagined, not realised. Even when people post like I have, how can you accurately gauge the fruits of your labour from text? Trolls may feed on hate, but across the internet, it's an imaginary foodstuff, intangible and without nutrition.
Next time, make a rebuttal that actually has some content. People can respect an intelligent argument. I might even concede the argument should you put your case eloquently. Nobody respects trolls, not even other trolls.
I write this, not out of venom and vitriol, but in the hope that I can reach out and help yourself, and others like yourself, and to help you connect with the world, rather than lash out at it. Well, that and the fact that I had nothing better to do at this moment.
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.28 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
The majority of goods from NPC supplies are being sold at multiples of the original NPC cost but are still below the cost of production by PI.
Some PI only products are also being sold below production cost (e.g. Industrial Explosives, Virus Agent, Data Chips).
The prices of P1 commodities are rising. This can only exasperate that situation. The prices of intermediate P2/P3 must also rise.
The is still lots of room for massive profits for anybody holding NPC stocks or with liquid isk to buy out those selling below production cost. I just wish I had more liquid isk to capitalise on it.
It seems to me, that a lot of the PI industrialists follow the same thinking as the miners that believe "the minerals I mine myself are free". Perhaps we need a new meme to describe them.
Good post, great spreadsheet -- it deserves its own thread. I've been saying for a while now that people who produce previously npc-seeded, stockpiled PI items are being dumb and are bad at eve online. Your link clearly illustrates this.
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.06.28 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: pmchem Good post, great spreadsheet -- it deserves its own thread. I've been saying for a while now that people who produce previously npc-seeded, stockpiled PI items are being dumb and are bad at eve online. Your link clearly illustrates this.
That sheet is my new PI bible, love it.
...reinforced my decision to hold onto my stockpiles for a lot longer.
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Darthion Illys
Amarr Tyrans d'Or Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:02:00 -
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@ Ratchman.
I've already made a dozen posts in various topics in regards to the PI items. The problem isn't me potentially trolling, the problem is clueless people like yourself having their head so far up their own ass that they cut themselves out of sunlight.
I mean... if you would just begin with reading the posts of others, rather than proclaiming your ignorant opinion with what appears to be no awareness, experience or knowledge behind it what so ever, you wouldn't be making the statements you're currently making in regards to where the PI items are heading.
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Darthion Illys @ Ratchman.
I've already made a dozen posts in various topics in regards to the PI items. The problem isn't me potentially trolling, the problem is clueless people like yourself having their head so far up their own ass that they cut themselves out of sunlight.
I mean... if you would just begin with reading the posts of others, rather than proclaiming your ignorant opinion with what appears to be no awareness, experience or knowledge behind it what so ever, you wouldn't be making the statements you're currently making in regards to where the PI items are heading.
He must have meant price spike instead of crash imo...
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Ari Chu
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:42:00 -
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Remember - CCP has an invested interest to see PI prices high enough to make DUST mercenaries worth hiring.
No one is going to hire Dust Mercs if the colonies are worth less than the Mercs cost to hire.
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Droxlyn
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:44:00 -
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I've got the ability to produce a P4 from scratch. I'm making more now that I'm selling most of my P1s and buying the P2s that I need. I still make some P2s where supply or prices favor keeping my p1s, but still. It is ridiculous how under priced P2s are.
I'm trying to figure out how to double my P4 production with my shuttered p2 advanced processors...
Drox
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:48:00 -
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I have for sell 10 Million of these goods [Oxygen] [700 isk per unit] in here : http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1344515 [Auction end time: 2010.06.29 22:00:00]
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Tiennya
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Posted - 2010.06.29 14:35:00 -
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I guess I must be one of the few doing PI just because the activity fits well with my day. I must admit I'm not really sure where to go, I'm running 30 high-sec colonies and just stockpiling P1 materials (Just extractors and basic processors), because I have no current need for any of them. I've ended up just doing that because prices seem to be rising and I figured if I wait, I'll get loads for it. Seems maybe I have chosen wrong? oh well, I've got rather a lot now so I'll make something regardless! |
Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH I have for sell 10 Million of these goods [Oxygen] [700 isk per unit] in here : http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1344515 [Auction end time: 2010.06.29 22:00:00]
You will have better luck with anything besides oxygen.I make about 24k with 2high sec planets per day.Oxygen will remain the least expensive for ages. knowledge is power |
VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen You will have better luck with anything besides oxygen.I make about 24k with 2high sec planets per day.Oxygen will remain the least expensive for ages.
I dont need a luck I bought this oxygen for 330 isk/unit [more than 10 Millions] And i will sell this for more than 1000 isk/unit on the market http://i49.tinypic.com/259yk4n.jpg 100 000 + units in overview
I too, can produce 12k/day per planet any type of P1 goods [in low security system]
Demain for Oxygen is minimum 2 Millions/day ...
my auction is still open , 700 isk per unit, 10 Millions for sell http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1344515
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 29/06/2010 20:22:06
Originally by: VURDAH And i will sell this for more than 1000 isk/unit on the market
LOL 1,000 ISK a unit.. You say you can produce 12K per day per planet... and you're still delusional that you'll sell it for 1,000 ISK a unit... You do realize that would be 1,800,000,000 ISK per Character a month..
How many characters do you think will jump on the bandwagon for almost 2B ISK a month? I'll give you a hint EVERY CAREBEAR IN HIGHSEC WILL.
Just 4 jumps from Jita I'm producing about 34,000 units a day. At your price that's 1B ISK a month. While I have dollar signs in my eyes about producing that a month for next to zero work, my realist side knows I'll be lucky to keep maintaining the near 400ISK price tag I have right now...
EDIT:- POS Fuel Calculator here.. Gives people an idea on how much it actually takes to produce POS Fuel.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:10:00 -
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look at enriched uranium now 19k for 1 unit
to produce 1 unit you'll need 8 precious metals and 8 toxic metals
well more than 1k isk for a 1 unit of P1 material
200k units of enriched uranium u can sell now to buyers for more than 16k per unit 200k x 16k 3.2 BILLON NOW!
Now in Jita you can sell 5 Millons Oxygen to buyers for 395isk/unit and price will rise for next days, and week.
I will sell my **** for 1000 isk /unit I dont care about future [ what will be after next 3 weeks ]
Do you realize that NOW DEMAND IS MORE THAN PRODUCERS CAN SUPPLY [and for a next 5 weeks, i think]
I will be rich as a mutha****a.
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General Bezelbub
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:42:00 -
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I like this guy, I now have high hopes for the 33mil units of oxygen I stockpiled.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH Odd analysis...
I think you're missing the point dude.. I've spent the last week making all the Oxygen I need for a WHOLE YEAR of POS fuel.. And I'm just one person with one character.
While Oxygen is also used in other things the fact it can be pumped out at an alarming rate means it will be cheap. If you're holding onto 10mil units of it you're taking a risk holding out for 1,000 isk a unit..
Remember key here is 1 character can produces one year's worth of POS fuel (It's main consumption point) in maybe 14 days per POS. Just saying, I think you're going to disappointed when the market doesn't get to 1K a unit.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:25:00 -
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Oxygen will never be big $$$ because it is so easy to mine. If oxygen hits 1k/unit, then biomass/industrial fibers/silicon/whatever gas planets make will sell for much more because they are less trivial to mine.
Personally, I am dumping at 400, and if I'm wrong and it hits 1k oh well. I consider that a lot less guaranteed than silicate glass/nanite repair paste/guidance systems/few others going up significantly.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.30 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Grozen on 30/06/2010 01:12:59 Edited by: Grozen on 30/06/2010 01:10:39 Edited by: Grozen on 30/06/2010 01:08:58 Some things can be made fast but lets face it.Most of the npc goods take considerable amount of time to be made into large quantities.Everybody needs lots atm+lots of people are holding back.I ain't gonna sell ya anything cheap.To think i almost sold myself for measly 3.5b.I'm sitting on total of 35b atm if i sell and i cba.This has to make me half trillion atleast.
In barely two days prices jumped by avg of 1-2k per each npc stuff and that's with people dumping and taking huge profits, but the question is aren't there even bigger profits waiting at the end of tunnel?? I can see the light almost...
My own speculative opinion: Before things stabilize and many people see the huge profits in pi, prices will reach insane lvls, at that point 80% of eve jumps the bandwagon and we see massive crash(1-2months after). knowledge is power |
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Fitchner
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Posted - 2010.06.30 04:37:00 -
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THe effects of exorbitant pos fuel prices will reach all the way to the output of pos reactions, then to ship/module production.
I think it's going to be a crazy ride if prices do not stabilize within the first month or so. Certain pos reactions wont be worth it & the supply will choke fairly quickly.
Keep your fingers crossed.
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General Bezelbub
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 06:01:00 -
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In amusing news:
The 30 day manufactoring chains from the cyno-jammer reprocessing are coming over today and the next few days. This should nicely decrease the pos module prices of some items, causing yet more confusion!
example, 370 (37x10) large towers finish being built for me, so that should cover needs for a while.
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IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
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Posted - 2010.06.30 10:20:00 -
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Excellent, let me prepare buy orders.
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Tamarana
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Posted - 2010.06.30 10:41:00 -
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My impression is that people stockpiled POS structures and not enough Enriched Uranium. Someone stockpiled Robotics but not Enriched Uranium (unfortunately it is not possible reprocess Robotics in Enriched Uranium and other stuff).
For example, Moon Harvesters are sold at 8-13 millions where to build one cost 25 millions.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.30 10:48:00 -
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Lol yea its funny i noticed the same thing with rapid equipment arrays they are selling at loss atm if build by bpo. knowledge is power |
Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: General Bezelbub In amusing news:
The 30 day manufactoring chains from the cyno-jammer reprocessing are coming over today and the next few days. This should nicely decrease the pos module prices of some items, causing yet more confusion!
example, 370 (37x10) large towers finish being built for me, so that should cover needs for a while.
Insightful point. Those interested in becoming POS manufacturer probably made a start early and likely used all their BPO/Industry slots so had minimal need to buy in or compete for fresh buying supplies up until now.
Since any further stocks of components they had where broken, they will need to obtain new components to restart their runs and make up their capital spend on BPOS.
We should also be able to estimate the scale of demand for those components from the number of towers & modules that appear on the market over the next 4 days.
POS input components are probably hitting rock bottom now.
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:22:00 -
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Wyke, your spreadsheet still deserves its own thread in S&I or MD.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: General Bezelbub In amusing news:
The 30 day manufactoring chains from the cyno-jammer reprocessing are coming over today and the next few days. This should nicely decrease the pos module prices of some items, causing yet more confusion!
example, 370 (37x10) large towers finish being built for me, so that should cover needs for a while.
THIS .
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: General Bezelbub example, 370 (37x10) large towers finish being built for me, so that should cover needs for a while.
I'll buy one of your Large Tower BPOs for 250mil :)
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.30 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Originally by: General Bezelbub In amusing news:
The 30 day manufactoring chains from the cyno-jammer reprocessing are coming over today and the next few days. This should nicely decrease the pos module prices of some items, causing yet more confusion!
example, 370 (37x10) large towers finish being built for me, so that should cover needs for a while.
Insightful point. Those interested in becoming POS manufacturer probably made a start early and likely used all their BPO/Industry slots so had minimal need to buy in or compete for fresh buying supplies up until now.
Since any further stocks of components they had where broken, they will need to obtain new components to restart their runs and make up their capital spend on BPOS.
We should also be able to estimate the scale of demand for those components from the number of towers & modules that appear on the market over the next 4 days.
POS input components are probably hitting rock bottom now.
Something else has just occurred to me, with an apparent surplus of P4 components at discount prices, perhaps the limiting factor be the availability of capital construction parts.
Originally by: pmchem Wyke, your spreadsheet still deserves its own thread in S&I or MD.
OK, I'll bow to the pressure and I've started a thread in S&I where I think the insight it provides is most needed. I've some opening analysis, which is mostly a collation of points I've raised in various other threads.
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