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Vericost	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Vericost on 26/06/2010 05:36:37 Since the other thread is locked. Everyone against this are those who already have. Or lived with thei mother and father their entire life and had all the free time they needed to properly benefit from eves sp system. The reason all these nay sayer's don't want micro transactions is due to the redistribution of well. Very similar situaion in today's sociopolitics. Those who are wealthy oppress those who do not have. Simply put change will come and well... Things fail. Cough* US economy. So when you log in and it says 10 players online in the EVE universe please don't QQ about it. You chose not to bring in a fresh player base to EVE. Oh and who here think dust is going to even scratch the software bein put out by Blizz/microshaft/ubi or any other true software vedor? Doubtful with a 7 year old rendering engine and player base that thinks this sandbox will never die. Better figure out how to get new players into the game. And if you keep shooting down a buy in program you better propose something worthwhile. - sent from my iPhone another yttihs company we all love
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:48:00 - [2] Confirming that eve is dying. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Batolemaeus Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:49:00 - [3] I agree. Some people have a brain, and some do not. You obviously fall into the first category..
Phaese	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:50:00 - [4] Money buys plex. Plex buys isk. Isk buys anything in the game, including skillpoints. What?
Vericost	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:54:00 - [5] Toons mean nothin when therebis no player wanting to play it. Or play a toon that isn't theirs or has a name generated by them. Next dumb question?
Phaese	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:01:00 - [6] Nevermind, I agree.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:18:00 - [7] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 26/06/2010 06:20:24 CCP has stated several times that there will be NO MICROTRANSACTIONS at all. just yesterday after all this speculation started surfacing, CCP posted very specificly that there will be NO microtransactions, and there are NO plans for that in the future. You need to live your your parents to benifit from EVE's SP system? thats bull****. to play WOW, or DNDO, or any other game you need to grind and grind Eve is the only mmo that i know of, that lets you progress without ever touching the computer for months on end. I make roughly 200mil per day even if i dont login. My skills continue training, even if i dont turn my computer on. All those other games, you need to sit there and grind rats for days on end to gain XP, you cant do that with your computer turned off. And its not about 'redistribution of wealth' its about the kids IRL who will use their parent's CC to buy SP. They'll be in a titan before me, simply because they have rich parents. How is that 'redistribution of wealth'?. Its not. Its literally rich people hording more wealth (although fake e-money). Why should IRL rich people be allowed to progress faster in the game then others? Sounds like you've never worked a day in your life and you want eve handed to you on a silver plate also. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
MindFray	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:36:00 - [8] First off, you must be one who "has" secondly it's no so much about buyin sp it's about getting NEW players to join and once in game stick with it. If you let a new player buy in on 5 mill sp you would prob keep them instead of lose them. They can reasonably contribute to Corp or survive solo if they so wish. Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never. To help curb this issue new players who rock back and forth on sticking with eve probably need the deal sweetend. Something to make thier toon productive. I'd agree 10mill would be he max I would want anyone ever to purchase anymore would be crazy. and FFS this buy I. Would give CCP the abilty to fix some in game bugs. Something like windows not staying in place since day one.
Jack Icegaard The Omega Project	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:41:00 - [9] Changing the game to accommodate morons like the OP is what will kill the game.
Jan VanRijkdom	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:53:00 - [10] Seriously, you ***g0ts, go back to WoW or w/e it was you played before and stop whining that you have to start small like everyone else. Actually, with the bonus to training speed and the skill que, you have even less reason to whine. You also have the benefit of not having to grind for xp. Also, learn to spell. If I hear one more person say 'Oh noes, Eve is dying!' I'm going to scream. We just broke the record again recently, and as I've played over the years the game has only grown and progressed. I can only think of a few MMOs that have survived this long, espec a subscription based one. If you don't like how it works, go screw yourself, we'll just continue to enjoy the game and win more awards and welcome new players that are as hardcore as the vets. Idiots who want to pay for SP have no place in this game. There will be NO microtrans for EVE-O. Don't like it? Go back to Hello Kitty Online kthanksbye.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Vericost Edited by: Vericost on 26/06/2010 05:51:19 Edited by: Vericost on 26/06/2010 05:36:37 Since the other thread is locked. Everyone against this are those who already have. Or lived with thei mother and father their entire life and had all the free time they needed to properly benefit from eves sp system. The reason all these nay sayer's don't want micro transactions is due to the redistribution of wealth. Very similar situaion in today's sociopolitics. Those who are wealthy oppress those who do not have. Simply put change will come and well... Things fail. Cough* US economy. So when you log in and it says 10 players online in the EVE universe please don't QQ about it. You chose not to bring in a fresh player base to EVE. Oh and who here think dust is going to even scratch the software bein put out by Blizz/microshaft/ubi or any other true software vedor? Doubtful with a 7 year old rendering engine and player base that thinks this sandbox will never die. Better figure out how to get new players into the game. And if you keep shooting down a buy in program you better propose something worthwhile. - sent from my iPhone another yttihs company we all love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto&feature=PlayList&p=CD7E334A4418DC03&playnext_from=PL&index=4
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Jack Icegaard Changing the game to accommodate morons like the OP is what will kill the game. +1 ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Jack Icegaard Changing the game to accommodate morons like the OP is what will kill the game. This Exactly. However, i agree the new player experience is bad in terms of the SP. IMO Training Skills should be removed, it forces newbs to ether waste time training boring skills that gain them virtually nothing, or waste time training skills reeeeealy slowly. They should remove learning skills, reimburse those who trained them, and then decrease overall training time of all skills so that it is on par with having all (around, imo) lvl4 learning skills. I'm not really sure if removing only the advanced learning would cut it, but it might be a fair compromise... This will allow newer players to begin training their more usefull skills right away, and wont hurt anyone who has put large ammounts of SP into Learning already. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Jack Icegaard The Omega Project	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 26/06/2010 07:14:13 Just to be clear. I have nothing against letting new players get increasingly better start positions as time goes by. When I started back in 2006, perhaps 25% could be considered new players. Today its perhaps 10-15% of the player base that can be considered new players. To compensate for this harsher environment, new player could be given more SP to start out with. I have no problem with that at all. But it should be free and equal for all. Those who suggest buying SP and at the same time want to get rid of learning skills seem not to understand the problem this brings. If you could buy a head-start that will set a norm for new players, meaning those who do not want to invest this money in a MMO will feel that they fall behind and be discouraged by that. Its exactly the same as with learning skill which also is viewed as a norm and something you must have as fast as possible or fall behind.
Amarante Idama Gallente Drunken Armed Pilots G String University	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Batolemaeus I agree. Some people have a brain, and some do not. You obviously fall into the ~~first~~ latter category..
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:18:00 - [16] OP needs to realize that the EVE training system is great for those that actually have RL obligations, in contrast to the grinding type training systems which require the player to be living in moms basement farming 24/7 to advance...
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:22:00 - [17] You can already "buy SP", saying it never should and never will be part of the game, is not true... it's already there. You can buy an account with the skills you want, is that not the same as buying sp?. If you start alt to train for specific skills you don't want to waste time on training on your main, the same as buying SP? The way training works is that you pay for skill point, you pay for 30 days of game time and with that comes 30 days of skill points. I'm sure most of you know players who did'nt player the game for longer periodes of time, but only came on to set skill queue. I know people who did play eve for around one year but keept paying and training, that is by definition buying skill points. MicroTransactions will only change the rate of which you buy skill points, which i don't think would be a good idea, but it will not add anything to the game that is not already there. In most other mmo's you earn skill point/experince points by playing the game, killing monster or whatever, like it or not in eve you get them on form of the time you buy.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:42:00 - [18] Originally by: MindFray <Snip> Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never.<Snip> This is a fallacy. I started in 2005; on creation I had (IIRC) less than 32,000 SPs, one of the lowest totals available at the time (I had a very broad but very shallow skillset). Within 6 months I was well ahead on many of my contemporaries, within 2 years I had more SPs than people who'd recruited me to the game and more than some of the people I'd been in awe of when I'd joined my first corp. And I didn't train nothing but learning skills for my first two months, I didn't plug in +5s and I didn't plan out my skills to train according to the timings of my next remaps... When I was 2 years old I don't think I even had a full set of +2s, I certainly didn't have a full set of +3s (+3s went for about 40 mil at the time and I wasn't very good at making money). That I'll ever catch up to Dr Caymus is unlikely - but his aim in game is simply to have the highest SP total he possibly can and mine is not. That there are characters significantly older than I am with substantially fewer SPs is, however, irrefutable. I know characters who're significantly younger than me and training at a significantly faster rate, I have had a head start over them but (if things remain as they are) they will overtake me. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
rpriebe1979	Posted - 2010.06.26 10:42:00 - [19] Originally by: MindFray First off, you must be one who "has" secondly it's no so much about buyin sp it's about getting NEW players to join and once in game stick with it. If you let a new player buy in on 5 mill sp you would prob keep them instead of lose them. They can reasonably contribute to Corp or survive solo if they so wish. Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never. To help curb this issue new players who rock back and forth on sticking with eve probably need the deal sweetend. Something to make thier toon productive. I'd agree 10mill would be he max I would want anyone ever to purchase anymore would be crazy. and FFS this buy I. Would give CCP the abilty to fix some in game bugs. Something like windows not staying in place since day one. um cant they do that now? #1 start6 a new toon, #2 buy a few gtc's #3 sell them on forums,#4 buy a toon with as many sp as you need or want #5 ploblem solved .... if your broke **** off grind it out just like my broke ass did pvp anyone?
Zoon Muidac Aliastra	Posted - 2010.06.26 11:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Zoon Muidac on 26/06/2010 11:10:36 Vericost this game is not for you.
Gypsy RoseLee	Posted - 2010.06.26 13:07:00 - [21] Vericost is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect discussed in this article: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/?pagemode=print The Dunning-Kruger Effect can be explained as the fact that there are people so stupid that their stupidity keeps them from realizing the extent of their stupidity.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.26 13:35:00 - [22] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 26/06/2010 13:37:39 Originally by: MindFray Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never. Grarrrrr! Tremble before me, puny creature! I am a six year old player! Compared to you, I am a burning god of annihilation, an unstoppable force to be dreaded! Four year old players hurl themselves fruitlessly in waves of 100s against my impervious veteran hull, and pop like so many ripe tomatoes! My additional years of game time render me completely immune to the predations of your powerless 1-year-old warp scramblers, and your pitiful 2-year-old stasis webs! And best of all, you will NEVER CATCH UP! BROOOAAAAGGHH! MOOORRGGGH! knocks over building RAAAARRGGHH!! UNSTOPPABLE!!
Barakkus Spacelane Innovation	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:18:00 - [23] Posting and You Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Grarrrrr! Tremble before me, puny creature! I am a six year old player! Compared to you, I am a burning god of annihilation, an unstoppable force to be dreaded! Four year old players hurl themselves fruitlessly in waves of 100s against my impervious veteran hull, and pop like so many ripe tomatoes! My additional years of game time render me completely immune to the predations of your powerless 1-year-old warp scramblers, and your pitiful 2-year-old stasis webs! And best of all, you will NEVER CATCH UP! BROOOAAAAGGHH! MOOORRGGGH! <Snip> Until Moth'ra or Matthew Broderick show up at least :-) -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 26/06/2010 13:37:39 Originally by: MindFray Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never. Grarrrrr! Tremble before me, puny creature! I am a six year old player! Compared to you, I am a burning god of annihilation, an unstoppable force to be dreaded! Four year old players hurl themselves fruitlessly in waves of 100s against my impervious veteran hull, and pop like so many ripe tomatoes! My additional years of game time render me completely immune to the predations of your powerless 1-year-old warp scramblers, and your pitiful 2-year-old stasis webs! And best of all, you will NEVER CATCH UP! BROOOAAAAGGHH! MOOORRGGGH! knocks over building RAAAARRGGHH!! UNSTOPPABLE!! best post ever.
Research Monkey1	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:33:00 - [26] If u really want u kinda can buy SP. just buy plex and buy a set of +5's or buy a whole new toon. I think if people were able to buy SP they would be much mroe likely to rage quit due to not knowing enough about the game as if they had learnt it by playing and experiencing.... i can imagine all the titan pilots stuck on lo-sec gates going "WTF!!???!!! why can't i jump thru to Hi-sec?"
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:41:00 - [27] Edited by: Tippia on 26/06/2010 16:42:53 Originally by: Vericost Everyone against this are those who already have. Or lived with thei mother and father their entire life and had all the free time they needed to properly benefit from eves sp system. Incorrect. Quote: Doubtful with a 7 year old rendering engine Also incorrect. Quote: Better figure out how to get new players into the game. They're already coming. Btw, did you have any kind of point? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:42:00 - [28] tldr; Rich person **ed he can't use microtransactions. Reality, no amount of he buys will save his ass from being **d in EVE.
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.26 17:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Research Monkey1 If u really want u kinda can buy SP. just buy plex and buy a set of +5's or buy a whole new toon. I think if people were able to buy SP they would be much mroe likely to rage quit due to not knowing enough about the game as if they had learnt it by playing and experiencing.... i can imagine all the titan pilots stuck on lo-sec gates going "WTF!!???!!! why can't i jump thru to Hi-sec?" As things are now players will quit the game, because they feel stuck with a huge gap between new and old players. The friends i play eve with all fly cross faction battleships, and training for marauders and carriers, when i do level 4 missions with them to grind some isk i'm stuck flying the trashcan destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers. I'm training to fly a logistics ship which is going to take 46 days to train, and that is the minimun skill required to fly the ship. I can fly battlecruisers, also with close to minimum skills, which i use for solo missions and stuff like that. Still i know for the next 2-3 months most of my time in eve will be spend in my trashcan destroyer, not really the most fun thing to do... When doing the missions i'm completely useless, they are just nice to let me tag along and get some free isk, the job i'm doing anyone would be able to do on an alt. It does take some of the fun out of the game, the waiting for skills to finish is not the challenge and learning experince some players are trying to make it out to be. I'm not saying new players should get everything served on a silver plate, but on the other hand it would be nice to play with you friends, without having the feeling you are being carried around.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2010.06.26 17:57:00 - [30] Originally by: dexington As things are now players will quit the game, because they feel stuck with a huge gap between new and old players. The friends i play eve with all fly cross faction battleships, and training for marauders and carriers, when i do level 4 missions with them to grind some isk i'm stuck flying the trashcan destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers. I'm training to fly a logistics ship which is going to take 46 days to train, and that is the minimun skill required to fly the ship. I can fly battlecruisers, also with close to minimum skills, which i use for solo missions and stuff like that. Still i know for the next 2-3 months most of my time in eve will be spend in my trashcan destroyer, not really the most fun thing to do... When doing the missions i'm completely useless, they are just nice to let me tag along and get some free isk, the job i'm doing anyone would be able to do on an alt. It does take some of the fun out of the game, the waiting for skills to finish is not the challenge and learning experince some players are trying to make it out to be. I'm not saying new players should get everything served on a silver plate, but on the other hand it would be nice to play with you friends, without having the feeling you are being carried around. I cannot shake the feeling that you never set any real goals and trained your character thereafter, but instead you picked up a bunch of skills to be "handy" to your friends who played the game longer than you without any real thought on what you want to do in the game.

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