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Vericost	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Vericost on 26/06/2010 05:36:37 Since the other thread is locked. Everyone against this are those who already have. Or lived with thei mother and father their entire life and had all the free time they needed to properly benefit from eves sp system. The reason all these nay sayer's don't want micro transactions is due to the redistribution of well. Very similar situaion in today's sociopolitics. Those who are wealthy oppress those who do not have. Simply put change will come and well... Things fail. Cough* US economy. So when you log in and it says 10 players online in the EVE universe please don't QQ about it. You chose not to bring in a fresh player base to EVE. Oh and who here think dust is going to even scratch the software bein put out by Blizz/microshaft/ubi or any other true software vedor? Doubtful with a 7 year old rendering engine and player base that thinks this sandbox will never die. Better figure out how to get new players into the game. And if you keep shooting down a buy in program you better propose something worthwhile. - sent from my iPhone another yttihs company we all love
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:48:00 - [2] Confirming that eve is dying. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Batolemaeus Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:49:00 - [3] I agree. Some people have a brain, and some do not. You obviously fall into the first category..
Phaese	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:50:00 - [4] Money buys plex. Plex buys isk. Isk buys anything in the game, including skillpoints. What?
Vericost	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:54:00 - [5] Toons mean nothin when therebis no player wanting to play it. Or play a toon that isn't theirs or has a name generated by them. Next dumb question?
Phaese	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:01:00 - [6] Nevermind, I agree.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:18:00 - [7] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 26/06/2010 06:20:24 CCP has stated several times that there will be NO MICROTRANSACTIONS at all. just yesterday after all this speculation started surfacing, CCP posted very specificly that there will be NO microtransactions, and there are NO plans for that in the future. You need to live your your parents to benifit from EVE's SP system? thats bull****. to play WOW, or DNDO, or any other game you need to grind and grind Eve is the only mmo that i know of, that lets you progress without ever touching the computer for months on end. I make roughly 200mil per day even if i dont login. My skills continue training, even if i dont turn my computer on. All those other games, you need to sit there and grind rats for days on end to gain XP, you cant do that with your computer turned off. And its not about 'redistribution of wealth' its about the kids IRL who will use their parent's CC to buy SP. They'll be in a titan before me, simply because they have rich parents. How is that 'redistribution of wealth'?. Its not. Its literally rich people hording more wealth (although fake e-money). Why should IRL rich people be allowed to progress faster in the game then others? Sounds like you've never worked a day in your life and you want eve handed to you on a silver plate also. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
MindFray	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:36:00 - [8] First off, you must be one who "has" secondly it's no so much about buyin sp it's about getting NEW players to join and once in game stick with it. If you let a new player buy in on 5 mill sp you would prob keep them instead of lose them. They can reasonably contribute to Corp or survive solo if they so wish. Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never. To help curb this issue new players who rock back and forth on sticking with eve probably need the deal sweetend. Something to make thier toon productive. I'd agree 10mill would be he max I would want anyone ever to purchase anymore would be crazy. and FFS this buy I. Would give CCP the abilty to fix some in game bugs. Something like windows not staying in place since day one.
Jack Icegaard The Omega Project	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:41:00 - [9] Changing the game to accommodate morons like the OP is what will kill the game.
Jan VanRijkdom	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:53:00 - [10] Seriously, you ***g0ts, go back to WoW or w/e it was you played before and stop whining that you have to start small like everyone else. Actually, with the bonus to training speed and the skill que, you have even less reason to whine. You also have the benefit of not having to grind for xp. Also, learn to spell. If I hear one more person say 'Oh noes, Eve is dying!' I'm going to scream. We just broke the record again recently, and as I've played over the years the game has only grown and progressed. I can only think of a few MMOs that have survived this long, espec a subscription based one. If you don't like how it works, go screw yourself, we'll just continue to enjoy the game and win more awards and welcome new players that are as hardcore as the vets. Idiots who want to pay for SP have no place in this game. There will be NO microtrans for EVE-O. Don't like it? Go back to Hello Kitty Online kthanksbye.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Vericost Edited by: Vericost on 26/06/2010 05:51:19 Edited by: Vericost on 26/06/2010 05:36:37 Since the other thread is locked. Everyone against this are those who already have. Or lived with thei mother and father their entire life and had all the free time they needed to properly benefit from eves sp system. The reason all these nay sayer's don't want micro transactions is due to the redistribution of wealth. Very similar situaion in today's sociopolitics. Those who are wealthy oppress those who do not have. Simply put change will come and well... Things fail. Cough* US economy. So when you log in and it says 10 players online in the EVE universe please don't QQ about it. You chose not to bring in a fresh player base to EVE. Oh and who here think dust is going to even scratch the software bein put out by Blizz/microshaft/ubi or any other true software vedor? Doubtful with a 7 year old rendering engine and player base that thinks this sandbox will never die. Better figure out how to get new players into the game. And if you keep shooting down a buy in program you better propose something worthwhile. - sent from my iPhone another yttihs company we all love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto&feature=PlayList&p=CD7E334A4418DC03&playnext_from=PL&index=4
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Jack Icegaard Changing the game to accommodate morons like the OP is what will kill the game. +1 ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Jack Icegaard Changing the game to accommodate morons like the OP is what will kill the game. This Exactly. However, i agree the new player experience is bad in terms of the SP. IMO Training Skills should be removed, it forces newbs to ether waste time training boring skills that gain them virtually nothing, or waste time training skills reeeeealy slowly. They should remove learning skills, reimburse those who trained them, and then decrease overall training time of all skills so that it is on par with having all (around, imo) lvl4 learning skills. I'm not really sure if removing only the advanced learning would cut it, but it might be a fair compromise... This will allow newer players to begin training their more usefull skills right away, and wont hurt anyone who has put large ammounts of SP into Learning already. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Jack Icegaard The Omega Project	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 26/06/2010 07:14:13 Just to be clear. I have nothing against letting new players get increasingly better start positions as time goes by. When I started back in 2006, perhaps 25% could be considered new players. Today its perhaps 10-15% of the player base that can be considered new players. To compensate for this harsher environment, new player could be given more SP to start out with. I have no problem with that at all. But it should be free and equal for all. Those who suggest buying SP and at the same time want to get rid of learning skills seem not to understand the problem this brings. If you could buy a head-start that will set a norm for new players, meaning those who do not want to invest this money in a MMO will feel that they fall behind and be discouraged by that. Its exactly the same as with learning skill which also is viewed as a norm and something you must have as fast as possible or fall behind.
Amarante Idama Gallente Drunken Armed Pilots G String University	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Batolemaeus I agree. Some people have a brain, and some do not. You obviously fall into the ~~first~~ latter category..
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:18:00 - [16] OP needs to realize that the EVE training system is great for those that actually have RL obligations, in contrast to the grinding type training systems which require the player to be living in moms basement farming 24/7 to advance...
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:22:00 - [17] You can already "buy SP", saying it never should and never will be part of the game, is not true... it's already there. You can buy an account with the skills you want, is that not the same as buying sp?. If you start alt to train for specific skills you don't want to waste time on training on your main, the same as buying SP? The way training works is that you pay for skill point, you pay for 30 days of game time and with that comes 30 days of skill points. I'm sure most of you know players who did'nt player the game for longer periodes of time, but only came on to set skill queue. I know people who did play eve for around one year but keept paying and training, that is by definition buying skill points. MicroTransactions will only change the rate of which you buy skill points, which i don't think would be a good idea, but it will not add anything to the game that is not already there. In most other mmo's you earn skill point/experince points by playing the game, killing monster or whatever, like it or not in eve you get them on form of the time you buy.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:42:00 - [18] Originally by: MindFray <Snip> Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never.<Snip> This is a fallacy. I started in 2005; on creation I had (IIRC) less than 32,000 SPs, one of the lowest totals available at the time (I had a very broad but very shallow skillset). Within 6 months I was well ahead on many of my contemporaries, within 2 years I had more SPs than people who'd recruited me to the game and more than some of the people I'd been in awe of when I'd joined my first corp. And I didn't train nothing but learning skills for my first two months, I didn't plug in +5s and I didn't plan out my skills to train according to the timings of my next remaps... When I was 2 years old I don't think I even had a full set of +2s, I certainly didn't have a full set of +3s (+3s went for about 40 mil at the time and I wasn't very good at making money). That I'll ever catch up to Dr Caymus is unlikely - but his aim in game is simply to have the highest SP total he possibly can and mine is not. That there are characters significantly older than I am with substantially fewer SPs is, however, irrefutable. I know characters who're significantly younger than me and training at a significantly faster rate, I have had a head start over them but (if things remain as they are) they will overtake me. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
rpriebe1979	Posted - 2010.06.26 10:42:00 - [19] Originally by: MindFray First off, you must be one who "has" secondly it's no so much about buyin sp it's about getting NEW players to join and once in game stick with it. If you let a new player buy in on 5 mill sp you would prob keep them instead of lose them. They can reasonably contribute to Corp or survive solo if they so wish. Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never. To help curb this issue new players who rock back and forth on sticking with eve probably need the deal sweetend. Something to make thier toon productive. I'd agree 10mill would be he max I would want anyone ever to purchase anymore would be crazy. and FFS this buy I. Would give CCP the abilty to fix some in game bugs. Something like windows not staying in place since day one. um cant they do that now? #1 start6 a new toon, #2 buy a few gtc's #3 sell them on forums,#4 buy a toon with as many sp as you need or want #5 ploblem solved .... if your broke **** off grind it out just like my broke ass did pvp anyone?
Zoon Muidac Aliastra	Posted - 2010.06.26 11:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Zoon Muidac on 26/06/2010 11:10:36 Vericost this game is not for you.
Gypsy RoseLee	Posted - 2010.06.26 13:07:00 - [21] Vericost is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect discussed in this article: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/?pagemode=print The Dunning-Kruger Effect can be explained as the fact that there are people so stupid that their stupidity keeps them from realizing the extent of their stupidity.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.26 13:35:00 - [22] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 26/06/2010 13:37:39 Originally by: MindFray Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never. Grarrrrr! Tremble before me, puny creature! I am a six year old player! Compared to you, I am a burning god of annihilation, an unstoppable force to be dreaded! Four year old players hurl themselves fruitlessly in waves of 100s against my impervious veteran hull, and pop like so many ripe tomatoes! My additional years of game time render me completely immune to the predations of your powerless 1-year-old warp scramblers, and your pitiful 2-year-old stasis webs! And best of all, you will NEVER CATCH UP! BROOOAAAAGGHH! MOOORRGGGH! knocks over building RAAAARRGGHH!! UNSTOPPABLE!!
Barakkus Spacelane Innovation	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:18:00 - [23] Posting and You Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Grarrrrr! Tremble before me, puny creature! I am a six year old player! Compared to you, I am a burning god of annihilation, an unstoppable force to be dreaded! Four year old players hurl themselves fruitlessly in waves of 100s against my impervious veteran hull, and pop like so many ripe tomatoes! My additional years of game time render me completely immune to the predations of your powerless 1-year-old warp scramblers, and your pitiful 2-year-old stasis webs! And best of all, you will NEVER CATCH UP! BROOOAAAAGGHH! MOOORRGGGH! <Snip> Until Moth'ra or Matthew Broderick show up at least :-) -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 26/06/2010 13:37:39 Originally by: MindFray Face the facts EvE is dying. I like the way the game play is and I fully agreed about the skill que it makes it practical but you will never catch up to an older player - never. Grarrrrr! Tremble before me, puny creature! I am a six year old player! Compared to you, I am a burning god of annihilation, an unstoppable force to be dreaded! Four year old players hurl themselves fruitlessly in waves of 100s against my impervious veteran hull, and pop like so many ripe tomatoes! My additional years of game time render me completely immune to the predations of your powerless 1-year-old warp scramblers, and your pitiful 2-year-old stasis webs! And best of all, you will NEVER CATCH UP! BROOOAAAAGGHH! MOOORRGGGH! knocks over building RAAAARRGGHH!! UNSTOPPABLE!! best post ever.
Research Monkey1	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:33:00 - [26] If u really want u kinda can buy SP. just buy plex and buy a set of +5's or buy a whole new toon. I think if people were able to buy SP they would be much mroe likely to rage quit due to not knowing enough about the game as if they had learnt it by playing and experiencing.... i can imagine all the titan pilots stuck on lo-sec gates going "WTF!!???!!! why can't i jump thru to Hi-sec?"
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:41:00 - [27] Edited by: Tippia on 26/06/2010 16:42:53 Originally by: Vericost Everyone against this are those who already have. Or lived with thei mother and father their entire life and had all the free time they needed to properly benefit from eves sp system. Incorrect. Quote: Doubtful with a 7 year old rendering engine Also incorrect. Quote: Better figure out how to get new players into the game. They're already coming. Btw, did you have any kind of point? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:42:00 - [28] tldr; Rich person **ed he can't use microtransactions. Reality, no amount of he buys will save his ass from being **d in EVE.
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.26 17:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Research Monkey1 If u really want u kinda can buy SP. just buy plex and buy a set of +5's or buy a whole new toon. I think if people were able to buy SP they would be much mroe likely to rage quit due to not knowing enough about the game as if they had learnt it by playing and experiencing.... i can imagine all the titan pilots stuck on lo-sec gates going "WTF!!???!!! why can't i jump thru to Hi-sec?" As things are now players will quit the game, because they feel stuck with a huge gap between new and old players. The friends i play eve with all fly cross faction battleships, and training for marauders and carriers, when i do level 4 missions with them to grind some isk i'm stuck flying the trashcan destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers. I'm training to fly a logistics ship which is going to take 46 days to train, and that is the minimun skill required to fly the ship. I can fly battlecruisers, also with close to minimum skills, which i use for solo missions and stuff like that. Still i know for the next 2-3 months most of my time in eve will be spend in my trashcan destroyer, not really the most fun thing to do... When doing the missions i'm completely useless, they are just nice to let me tag along and get some free isk, the job i'm doing anyone would be able to do on an alt. It does take some of the fun out of the game, the waiting for skills to finish is not the challenge and learning experince some players are trying to make it out to be. I'm not saying new players should get everything served on a silver plate, but on the other hand it would be nice to play with you friends, without having the feeling you are being carried around.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2010.06.26 17:57:00 - [30] Originally by: dexington As things are now players will quit the game, because they feel stuck with a huge gap between new and old players. The friends i play eve with all fly cross faction battleships, and training for marauders and carriers, when i do level 4 missions with them to grind some isk i'm stuck flying the trashcan destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers. I'm training to fly a logistics ship which is going to take 46 days to train, and that is the minimun skill required to fly the ship. I can fly battlecruisers, also with close to minimum skills, which i use for solo missions and stuff like that. Still i know for the next 2-3 months most of my time in eve will be spend in my trashcan destroyer, not really the most fun thing to do... When doing the missions i'm completely useless, they are just nice to let me tag along and get some free isk, the job i'm doing anyone would be able to do on an alt. It does take some of the fun out of the game, the waiting for skills to finish is not the challenge and learning experince some players are trying to make it out to be. I'm not saying new players should get everything served on a silver plate, but on the other hand it would be nice to play with you friends, without having the feeling you are being carried around. I cannot shake the feeling that you never set any real goals and trained your character thereafter, but instead you picked up a bunch of skills to be "handy" to your friends who played the game longer than you without any real thought on what you want to do in the game.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente SUECHTLER Inc. THE-FEDERATION	Posted - 2010.06.26 18:04:00 - [31] Originally by: dexington Originally by: Research Monkey1 If u really want u kinda can buy SP. just buy plex and buy a set of +5's or buy a whole new toon. I think if people were able to buy SP they would be much mroe likely to rage quit due to not knowing enough about the game as if they had learnt it by playing and experiencing.... i can imagine all the titan pilots stuck on lo-sec gates going "WTF!!???!!! why can't i jump thru to Hi-sec?" As things are now players will quit the game, because they feel stuck with a huge gap between new and old players. The friends i play eve with all fly cross faction battleships, and training for marauders and carriers, when i do level 4 missions with them to grind some isk i'm stuck flying the trashcan destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers. I'm training to fly a logistics ship which is going to take 46 days to train, and that is the minimun skill required to fly the ship. I can fly battlecruisers, also with close to minimum skills, which i use for solo missions and stuff like that. Still i know for the next 2-3 months most of my time in eve will be spend in my trashcan destroyer, not really the most fun thing to do... When doing the missions i'm completely useless, they are just nice to let me tag along and get some free isk, the job i'm doing anyone would be able to do on an alt. It does take some of the fun out of the game, the waiting for skills to finish is not the challenge and learning experince some players are trying to make it out to be. I'm not saying new players should get everything served on a silver plate, but on the other hand it would be nice to play with you friends, without having the feeling you are being carried around. Those friends that are carrying you around are probably also wishing you could fly something bigger... but I am pretty damned sure they are also glad you are taking your time and learning how they do stuff. Imagine you had the skills and isk to fly a battleship... you get in, buy all the mods, but have no clue how to fit the damned thing with your own personal flare instead of a cookie cutter setup... Now imagine the same with no flare and suddenly a module you would have fitted would save the day, I dunno like a smartbomb or something, you manage to clear the one npc or player frigate that was holding him down... how thankful is he that you learned the game rather than buying skills and mods and saying "Yeah I rock"... My point, regardless of how much you have in isk or skills you will NEVER compensate time spent ingame with it... ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
F90OEX F9X Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2010.06.26 18:18:00 - [32] WTB Instant gratification If you think what's what Eve is, your playing the wrong game
Lashnar Caldari LEGEND OF THE SHADOW GUARD	Posted - 2010.06.26 18:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 26/06/2010 06:26:52 Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 26/06/2010 06:20:24 CCP has stated several times that there will be NO MICROTRANSACTIONS at all. just yesterday after all this speculation started surfacing, CCP posted very specificly that there will be NO microtransactions, and there are NO plans for that in the future. You need to live with your parents to benifit from EVE's SP system? thats bull****. to play WOW, or DNDO, or any other game you need to grind and grind Eve is the only mmo that i know of, that lets you progress without ever touching the computer for months on end. I make roughly 200mil per day even if i dont login. My skills continue training, even if i dont turn my computer on. All those other games, you need to sit there and grind rats for days on end to gain XP, you cant do that with your computer turned off. And its not about 'redistribution of wealth' its about the kids IRL who will use their parent's CC to buy SP. They'll be in a titan before me, simply because they have rich parents. How is that 'redistribution of wealth'?. Its not. Its literally rich people hording more wealth (although fake e-money). Why should IRL rich people be allowed to progress faster in the game then others? Sounds like you've never worked a day in your life and you want eve handed to you on a silver plate also. When I read OP's post, this is exactly what came to mind. OP is a rich fool who thinks he's better because he has money. Well, that's what I got out of his post anyway. Hard to tell, it was written poorly. Welcome to EVE.
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.06.26 18:29:00 - [34] Aside from the fact that CCP have stated time and time again that they have no intention of ever allowing micro-transactions for SP, the idea itself is stupid. The core argument that many people throw out with regards to things like this tends to be the those who have money vs those who have time argument. They say that you can't really claim micro-transactions are unfair based on some having money and others not, when it's equally unfair that some people have more time available to grind in the game. TBH for the most part I agree with that logic, though it does seem rather odd to say that it's not fair that people who play a game more often are better at it, as that's sort of the way it SHOULD be, but whatever. The problem here lies with the fact that you don't grind skills in eve. The whole training system is one of the core principles of the game that sets it apart from every other game. And removing it would be akin to removing non-consensual pvp; sure there are people who'd love it, but then claiming to hate such a core mechanic of the game is tantamount to saying you don't like the game itself... If you allow micro-transactions for SP, you're either going to make it something that's completely unfair to people who don't have a lot of rl cash (assuming they make it a cash only thing), as there is no way for people with a lot of time but not a lot of money to compete, or you turn eve into just another grindfest of an MMO (assuming they allow isk to be used to buy it).
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.26 18:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Jack Icegaard Changing the game to accommodate morons like the OP is what will kill the game.
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.06.26 18:54:00 - [36] T o the Op, IÆm sure everyone who plays this game has at some point felt the same I know I did and IÆm pretty sure behind closed doors @CCP they feel theyÆve made a mistake with the long training times too. I started my first character in 2003 and quit my second character in 2005 quit again but this was due to the game being impossible to play from the country I live in. I started again in the middle of 2007 and thought in my naivety that could do it all on my own like most other games whether they be online mmoÆs or Lan type games. I ended up rage quitting after I did many stupid things as at the time I didnÆt have a clue. However during that time I learnt that EVE you need to listen to people who you can trust, who give you good advice and players who are willing to help you. I rejoined in 2008 and havenÆt looked back, this is my industrial alt and IÆve 38million skill points which isnÆt very much I know but now all my training is like at least 21days presently. IÆm training Capital Ship construction lvl5 even with 5/4 learning and +4 implants itÆs a 67 day skill. My PVP main has only lvl5 skills left to do to finish a Minmatar specialised character itÆll take another 5 months to complete. Yes that right 3 years to specialise one race to Battleship. If youÆve bags of money buy a character in forums maybe a carrier specialised character and ill meet you in low sec or 0.0 in my panther, you know IÆll kill you destroy your 2.5 billion isk ship you just bought from gtcÆs why cause ill know how to fly fit and use my panther to its maximum effect you wonÆt have a clue and ill put the KM in out lol ship fit section of my mains corp forum. So donÆt complain my friend as itÆs gets worse the longer you play.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:05:00 - [37] It's this simple really. Want to be able to buy in-game advancement with out-of-game money? Buy many plex, sell in-game, buy character on forums. Or keep crying and trolling because it's really all you can do with your impotent rage that no one else agrees with -- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game.
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:08:00 - [38] Also OP never go by the player ingame age i've meet many a 2005 player who has less SP's than me and there are many more out there who have three time the SP's i've got. I dont care I knuckle down and do my thing, I have alot of fun. I do remember when i first started doing lvl4's in BC's yea thats right Battle Cruisers there was 6 of us all 3 months old it was the best fun ever and we lost few ships but meh ive lost plently more since but thats a memory I cherish and would never want to change. I really think because of that even though most of us that did that arent in the same corp anymore we made undieing freindships which still hold today and i believe its the reason everyone of those 6 still plays today.
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Digital Solaris I cannot shake the feeling that you never set any real goals and trained your character thereafter, but instead you picked up a bunch of skills to be "handy" to your friends who played the game longer than you without any real thought on what you want to do in the game. No, i don't have any major goals. I've been playing eve for some 3 weeks now, i can't really see how i could make some realistic long term goal that would be fun to aim for. I want my logistics ship, not so much because it's handy, but mainly because i always play support/healer/utility type class/rolls in mmo's. I read one thread on the forum about goals people have set for them selfs, like being able to fly all ships or doing the biggest scam, etc. That's really not why i play eve, i do it to hang with friends and have a good time. Eg. one of the people play with have blown up two rattlesnake in the last five months, both mainly sponsored by friends, when he blows up the one he got last week i'll be there to laugth at him and help him get a new one. For me that's fun, not doing some loner achievement just to past time while i wait for my skill queue progessbar to complete. Except for trying to find what ships/roll i what to play in eve, i'm aiming at doing pvp maybe 0.0 at some point... that may be my 'long term' goal. Still i can't see how long term goals are going to make the game better/more fun, as i see it the first 5-6 months are just going to be "boring" (atleast for me). I predict things are going the to be better after around 2 months, at the point i'll be able to fly the ship i'm aiming for and the skills i'll be taining will seem more meaningful.
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc.	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:14:00 - [40] Quote: i can't really see Look past the tip of your nose.
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:35:00 - [41] I hope it never happens this buying SP's and i take my hat off to the guys who have stuck at EVE for the nearly past 8 years tbh I kick myself for sticking with my original character. They deserse what theyve got in skill points you dont. BTW I'm 50 and I'm very very rich if this comes in you wont compete with me, so not only will i kick you in the behind on the field in PVP, I'll destroy in regards to SP. Bring it on loser.
Fearless Sister	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:35:00 - [42] Your solution is for a problem that doesn't exist. You say that EVE is dying, but yet its subscription numbers are still growing quite rapidly I may also add. Apply eve to the product life cycle and this game is still in its growth stage, after which it reaches maturity, then after that the product will go into decline (what you call dying) and that is only if they fail to extend the product life cycle. So before you start going on about how eve is dying you should consider that this game is yet to mature, nevermind die. FYI - wow is closer to dying than eve.
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:35:00 - [43] Originally by: dexington Still i can't see how long term goals are going to make the game better/more fun, as i see it the first 5-6 months are just going to be "boring" (atleast for me). I predict things are going the to be better after around 2 months, at the point i'll be able to fly the ship i'm aiming for and the skills i'll be taining will seem more meaningful. This is mainly a consequence of you choosing to go logistics - if you went the route of frigate sized ships - frigs, assault ships, interceptors and maybe stealth bombers you would be able to get into a variety of really useful ships in the same time you need to fly a logistics ship properly. As a logistics pilot you want to have excellent capacitor skills, excellent targeting/electronics skills, excellent (remote) repair/shield boosting skills, the logistics skill itself at lvl5, at least decent navigation skills (in small gangs where you are the only logistics ship you will have to rely on your speed to some degree and don't want to affect this your capacitor too much) and probably several other classes of skills I forgot about. You also will be completely useless in the most common PvE situations (exceptions being wormholes and perhaps lvl5s) and have to get your fleetmates to ship either into armor or shield tanked ships so you can live up to your potential. Also enjoy being primaried early on if you are the only logistics ship in the fleet. Logistics are great ships and a big benefit to any PvP fleet - but IMO you should start training for logistic ships once you begin thinking about getting a carrier, not during your first week in the game.
Krennel Darius Caldari Nova Security Systems	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Vericost Edited by: Vericost on 26/06/2010 05:51:19 Edited by: Vericost on 26/06/2010 05:36:37 Since the other thread is locked. Everyone against this are those who already have. Or lived with thei mother and father their entire life and had all the free time they needed to properly benefit from eves sp system. The reason all these nay sayer's don't want micro transactions is due to the redistribution of wealth. Very similar situaion in today's sociopolitics. Those who are wealthy oppress those who do not have. Simply put change will come and well... Things fail. Cough* US economy. So when you log in and it says 10 players online in the EVE universe please don't QQ about it. You chose not to bring in a fresh player base to EVE. Oh and who here think dust is going to even scratch the software bein put out by Blizz/microshaft/ubi or any other true software vedor? Doubtful with a 7 year old rendering engine and player base that thinks this sandbox will never die. Better figure out how to get new players into the game. And if you keep shooting down a buy in program you better propose something worthwhile. - sent from my iPhone another yttihs company we all love Can I have your stuff? _________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris
Allyson Vannote Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:13:00 - [45] I've been playing for ten months now. I was a viable pvper two weeks after joining. Go read up on EVE. Its possible to be as good a ceptor pilot as any-person in EVE within a month. Within 3 you can pilot a T2 BC as good as anybody. Within a year you can have a capital ship in your hangar and pilot it almost as well as anybody else in EVE. The first element that weeds people out of EVE is its difficult UI. The second is its "we really don't care about your poor little <insert wreck's former ship class here>" pvp. The third is patience. <---- this is what your trying to destroy. This leaves generally good people, or the evil rawrpirates. EVE has one of the best player-bases I have ever had the pleasure to be a part of, because it doesn't cater to the weak of heart.
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton This is mainly a consequence of you choosing to go logistics - if you went the route of frigate sized ships - frigs, assault ships, interceptors and maybe stealth bombers you would be able to get into a variety of really useful ships in the same time you need to fly a logistics ship properly. Already got an alt training for tech 2 fit assault ship, should be be ready in some 10-12 days, which is going to be specialized in combat skills... and then we are back at the buying skill points ;) You can't buy skill points, but you can have alt specialized in different parts of the game. Everyone was telling me that that i should get an extra account, and train nothing but combat skills. Some even suggested starting and third account for production related skills, which i did'nt do. I'm paying for two accounts to somewhat be able to keep the 100% training bonus all new players start with, if i could choose i properly would prefer i had one account traning at double speed. I'm okay with it being on two accounts, it gives other benefits you would'nt get with only one account. In the end the alt solution to the training problem is properly better then being able to buy a more direct increase in skill points, eg. if you where able to get twice the learning speed for double the monthly fee most new players would properly feel forced to buy it. Alts are nice to have and they make things easier, but you can play the game perfectly fine without having one.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:16:00 - [47] is properly easier to type than probably or something?
Amanda Mor Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:41:00 - [48] There's fundamental flaws on both sides of this argument. First - the "rich people suck and I don't want them buying SP that I earned over months and years" thing - generally rich people in real life are smarter than the average, and are thus less likely to waste a bunch of extra money on a game. Typically, rich people make wise financial decisions, that's why they're rich. The people you'd need to worry about buying a bunch of SP's are not the cliched "rich spoiled brats", but the neckbearded, anti-social basement dwellers who will eat Ramen noodles for a month in order to pay for their gametime and skillpoints. My Lambhorgini maintenance bills are pretty high, so I can't justify spending extra money on SP's in Eve Second - I hope you realize that if they do add these microtransactions (which they've repeatedly stated that they won't), that it will apply to everyone, right? How does buying skillpoints help noobs if veterans will buy them as well? ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that...
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Jack Icegaard Changing the game to accommodate morons like the OP is what will kill the game. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

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