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myfirst	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:37:00 - [1] So, highsec ganking is not something new to you ppl. But in last weeks its becoming ridicolous, i lost several billions through that. Was it tanked haulers, T1 or T2, it doesn't matter anymore, everything is being ganked. Well, i'm still alive and healthy, but annoyed. I also know a lot of ppl, which were being ganked too. So, this is NOT highsec anymore, highsec is a lie. This is not that EVE anymore, when i started it 4 years ago. Its not that i got ganked recently and still be ****ed and cant get over it. This is more like a change in EVE, which is unbearable and not logical (see below) Checking the forums i found a nice idea to not pay insurance anymore, when being shot down by CONCORD. Imo a very good idea. But thats just to make this criticism creative. My request is now, is there ANY plans to solve highsec ganking? Or does CCP just watch the fun, that PvP is happening now in highsec too without wardec? If there is no change planned in near future, i have to admit, that this is not my kind of fun anymore. And sry, i know lot of ppl with the same thought. So i would be careful, what you do with those carebears in EVE. Not to talk from all the Hulkageddons ops. You may want to say whining carebear. But if you provide PvP and economic and industrial stuff in 1 game, but you allow PvP everywhere without any drawbacks for PvP'ers, naming systems highsec or lowsec then is a lie, T2 haulers become useless, even every hauler becomes useless. Taking revenge is impossible because of using alts for ganking. "I know this is a game and real life does not always apply, but just to point out the absurdity of the situation here is a real life comparison: -Bank Robbers buy Armoured vehicle for hit and run on Bank. -Bank Robbers succesfully knock down bank walls but are killed by police in the process. -Seemingly unrelated 3rd party walks into Bank vault and takes all the money, without committing a crime. Police stand around and watch. -Friendly insurance company generously compensates bank robbers' families for 'unfortunate' loss of life and their armoured vehicle." Myfi
Jamie Banks Gallente Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:44:00 - [2] Autopilot is bad mmmkay _____________________________ EVE - Everyone vs. Everyone Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' Check my Bio in-game for good deals on Invention Packs
MindFray	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:47:00 - [3] EVE is dying.... Find a new game IMO read around and read into the threads. You will see. CCP is so worried about new content they are not willing to address specific issues. I'm sorry to say this but... I'm waiting for a new sandbox with better graphics an not programed in python. If CCP could generate and keep new players thy could easily expand but the problem is the SP system prevents new player from feeling like they can get ahead. Let say this . Of 56,000 player how many are Alts of players dual boxing? Next remove 1/3rd of the player base when Starcraft 2 luanches in July what I left?
Woodwraith Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:47:00 - [4] a comparison to real life economics and the rights and wrongs of a video game are laughable. Capsuleer's operate above the normal laws, concord comes and ganks people to maintain some semblance of order, wich we have. Highsec ganking really isnt a problem, I move ridiculous amounts of isk around on my alts and rarely get targeted, and have most certainly never been ganked. If you think its bad, consider the fact that if you worked out of lowsec, you'd be getting slaughtered wholesale. I'd say you've got quite a bit of security.
myfirst	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:47:00 - [5] did i say somewhere, that it was autopiloted? Well, it was not, not in any case
Jamie Banks Gallente Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:51:00 - [6] Originally by: myfirst several billions snip tanked haulers, T1 or T2 I think you fail to realise economics in its most basic form. Revenue = X Loss = Y When X > Y, you get ganked. By as many people as it takes. _____________________________ EVE - Everyone vs. Everyone Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' Check my Bio in-game for good deals on Invention Packs
myfirst	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:54:00 - [7] by several billions its meant, splitted over different haulers and chars. As stated in another thread, with current insurance its even worth to gank a 50-Mill-loot
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Whiner My request is now, is there ANY plans to solve highsec ganking? Or does CCP just watch the fun, that PvP is happening now in highsec too without wardec? CCP Eris Discordia on Hulkageddon III: Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Sweet! I heartely endorse any event where people come together to defend the poor and endangered asteroid from exploitation. I've heard that recent studies have shown that asteroids experience something that might be unpleasant during mining Woe you little asteroid..woe Link. Safer not safe and all that jazz. You got any stuff? Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Phaese	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:55:00 - [9] It is literally impossible to get killed in highsec in a blockade runner. Are you aware that they can fit cloaking devices?
Hyveres Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Hyveres on 26/06/2010 05:57:04 as I see it for low cubage high value cargo when you want to be 100% certain of avoiding ganks. Use the orca and keep your cargo in the corp hangars which makes it not visible for cargo scanners. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
MindFray	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:00:00 - [11] Let me help you translate that last quote in carebear: we don't give a Dam about your hi sec ganking issues. In pvper: go gank in hi sec we don care about the rules we put in place when the game launched. Just make sure your debit card is ready for another debit on the 15th. We need to make payroll
myfirst	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Phaese It is literally impossible to get killed in highsec in a blockade runner. Are you aware that they can fit cloaking devices? I was talking about T2 Haulers, not some armored trolley with a cloaking ability Originally by: Hyveres Edited by: Hyveres on 26/06/2010 05:57:04 as I see it for low cubage high value cargo when you want to be 100% certain of avoiding ganks. Use the orca and keep your cargo in the corp hangars which makes it not visible for cargo scanners. on the other hand using an Orca to hide my cargo is kinda...... weird, you have to admit. 1) thats not what an Orca is supposed to 2) i'm for sure not skilling it, even if my char is 4 years old and i claim to be a carebear
Phaese	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:06:00 - [13] So, you're saying that it's a problem that you have to take a few extra trips if you want the luxury of being invincible.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:08:00 - [14] owned. Also, use courier contracts. Let other people take the risk =P More! Dont travel the major 'highways' (ie jita>>amarr) on weekends... you're just asking for it. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Kaptain Kruncher	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:11:00 - [15] Join a corp or make a corp that does something about it. Gank the gankers. I always kind of admire Cat O' Ninetails and Rancer Defense League for that. One of the things that makes Eve so interesting is that you can start the revolution. If the Goons could be a major pain in everyone's ass for years, certainly a bunch of do gooders can do the opposite. You could be their leader. Or, you could remain a victim. Either way, pull your pants up and get on with it.
Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:12:00 - [16] This is about the bumpkin brigade. What makes me sick is they don't aggro and suffer no threat or involvement. It's everything non-EvE when you get to be the critical factor in a battle and are immune to penalty.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:37:00 - [17] I've never been suicide ganked before, except one time undocking from a lowsec station... I carry valuables around all the time. You just need to learn to do it smart. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Terminal Insanity I've never been suicide ganked before, except one time undocking from a lowsec station... I carry valuables around all the time. You just need to learn to do it smart. Neither have I. It doesnt change anything I just said.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 06:58:00 - [19] So, ccp should nerf suicide ganking, turning highsec into carefree carebear land where you can autopilot your freighter with 50 billion isk in it and not worry? Hello Kitty Online suits you better. Eve is dangerous. Highsec is dangerous. Undocking is dangerous. There is virtually nothing in eve that is safe and that's the way it should stay. You're in a universe populated with thousands of thugs with guns and shields. And you really expect to just stroll out the front door with a cashbox? If you don't like how concord responds, then do something about it. Form an alliance that dedicates itself to wardec'ing these corps who set up gank camps. Eve is designed to let players do whatever the **** they want. Its a sandbox. Players wanna blow you up. they're allowed to. But it seems all the receiving end wants to do is whine and cry until mommy buys them another icecream. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:02:00 - [20] Originally by: myfirst So, highsec ganking is not something new to you ppl. But in last weeks its becoming ridicolous, i lost several billions through that. Was it tanked haulers, T1 or T2, it doesn't matter anymore, everything is being ganked. Well, i'm still alive and healthy, but annoyed. I also know a lot of ppl, which were being ganked too. So, this is NOT highsec anymore, highsec is a lie. This is not that EVE anymore, when i started it 4 years ago. Its not that i got ganked recently and still be **ed and cant get over it. This is more like a change in EVE, which is unbearable and not logical (see below) Checking the forums i found a nice idea to not pay insurance anymore, when being shot down by CONCORD. Imo a very good idea. But thats just to make this criticism creative. My request is now, is there ANY plans to solve highsec ganking? Or does CCP just watch the fun, that PvP is happening now in highsec too without wardec? If there is no change planned in near future, i have to admit, that this is not my kind of fun anymore. And sry, i know lot of ppl with the same thought. So i would be careful, what you do with those carebears in EVE. Not to talk from all the Hulkageddons ops. You may want to say whining carebear. But if you provide PvP and economic and industrial stuff in 1 game, but you allow PvP everywhere without any drawbacks for PvP'ers, naming systems highsec or lowsec then is a lie, T2 haulers become useless, even every hauler becomes useless. Taking revenge is impossible because of using alts for ganking. "I know this is a game and real life does not always apply, but just to point out the absurdity of the situation here is a real life comparison: -Bank Robbers buy Armoured vehicle for hit and run on Bank. -Bank Robbers succesfully knock down bank walls but are killed by police in the process. -Seemingly unrelated 3rd party walks into Bank vault and takes all the money, without committing a crime. Police stand around and watch. -Friendly insurance company generously compensates bank robbers' families for 'unfortunate' loss of life and their armoured vehicle." Myfi Do you want to admit now that you were AFK, or do we have to go through several pages of bull first? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always** to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: myfirst snipped Do you want to admit now that you were AFK, or do we have to go through several pages of bull**** first? That is actually irrelevant, anybody that AFK hauls faces the risk vs reward of doing so. Where is that balance of risk vs reward for the suicide gankers ? It is not there, there is no balance. It is all reward, even with the decreased insurance payout. The loot from a single well chosen target will pay for half a dozen or more replacement ships. The risk vs reward for suicide ganking should be: the certain loss of your ship from concord vs the reward from the looted cargo. Suicide ganking should not be under written by insurance payouts. Suicide Ganking is high sec piracy, and Piracy is an instrument of economic warfare.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:22:00 - [22] their risk is being attacked by anti-pirate corps. When you are killed like that, you get a full month of killrights on them (check your charactersheet > kill rights) Unfortunately the only people who are anti-pirate seem to be almost all pro-whiner and so they do nothing but whine about it. You cant really expect ccp to dumb everyone else down to your level just because you want to play World of Evecraft ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Ari Chu Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:23:00 - [23] If Concord Podded criminals - that might make a fairly large difference. Of course, gankers would just stop using implants, but this would become part of the cost of doing business. --- "The Galaxy is only as big as you make it." - presumably Eve Game Designers.
Nalesh The Children Of Gallifrey Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:28:00 - [24] Edited by: Nalesh on 26/06/2010 08:29:35 Listen you little carebears, it's called HIGH security, not PERFECT security. GB2WOW Also related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTL9mSQ7VGs --- Originally by: CCP Prism X I'm so hot that I strip-mine ice fields through proximity alone. Originally by: CCP Prism X I've said this before and I'll say it again: "I love being a turtle!"
Ruby Udders	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:45:00 - [25] All it takes is a little preparation and alertness during travel to avoid getting ganked in highsec. I am sure if you put your mind to it you can escape potential suicide gankers. Afterall, most other eve players are managing fine. Also High security != Absolute security Be safe, be cynical
Obyrith	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:46:00 - [26] The obvious solution is to haul through low-sec. Lrn2mwdcloak.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:47:00 - [27] Originally by: myfirst So, highsec ganking is not something new to you ppl. But in last weeks its becoming ridicolous, i lost several billions through that. [...] Myfi High-Sec: Safer. Not safe. Item DB \| Sigs
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 09:09:00 - [28] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 26/06/2010 09:14:32 Who seriously flys a freighter with 10+ bil isk in its hold, through space without a scout anyway? All it takes is a single Ibis pilot to make you virtually immune to suicide ganks. Risk vs reward sure, but the methods you're choosing are introducing much more risk then an experienced pilot would so, we should remove insurance payouts, make concord pod, etc? Punish other players for your own noobness? lol the difference between them and OP: Them = using eve's rules to their benifit OP = Trying to create new rules since he doesnt want to learn the current ones. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.26 09:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Ari Chu If Concord Podded criminals - that might make a fairly large difference. Of course, gankers would just stop using implants, but this would become part of the cost of doing business. Or remove insurance alltogether for a bit more balanced risk/reward.
Botrias Pirabus	Posted - 2010.06.26 09:26:00 - [30] Or just stay the hell away from Jita, if cloaks don't work because of congestion around stations. Sheesh, just because it's the common trade hub doesn't mean you have to go there much at all, if ever. Plenty of other trade hubs out there that aren't so attractive to the gankers. As for the blockade runners thing...it is a t2 hauler. Feh.

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