Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

its simple: look up dotlan evemaps and find a quieter system to mine, so others wont harhass you that much.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

here is other better games out there, some are even free..

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun.

Sure. Leave hi-sec.

It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever,

Yeah, just leave high sec, though you can expect to be ganked in the first jump or two by gate camping muppets who prey on those venturing into low sec. You people with your one line ill thought replies on this forum never cease to entertain me.

Yeah, just leave high sec, though you can expect to be ganked in the first jump or two by gate camping muppets who prey on those venturing into low sec. You people with your one line ill thought replies on this forum never cease to entertain me.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

(obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept)

You are clueless aren't you.
I assume that you have never been outside of your theme park area.

Here's a clue - omnipresent gate camps are a myth repeated over and over by idiots, who just want to find another excuse to stay in the safety of the precious noob space ( yes all of hisec is noob space ).
There is a lot of entry points into both low and null that are NEVER camped ( you just need to make a few additional jumps - not for the lazy people ).

Null for the most part is nearly empty. Few days ago I made about 40 jumps from Fountain to Pure Blind and I only saw 4-5 people TOTAL.
Most of lowsec areas are also quite empty.

My friend used to mine in lowsec ( now moved to NPC null ) and he never lost a mining ship.

Safest place in high-sec is to sit in a station, great for those playing the market.

But the answer is morons can spoil your day, it's allowed. But those people think they're doing newbies a service by showing them that EvE is tough whilst they notch up their killmails.

... there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight .....

Yeah, just leave high sec, though you can expect to be ganked in the first jump or two by gate camping muppets who prey on those venturing into low sec. You people with your one line ill thought replies on this forum never cease to entertain me.

It's posts like these that make me wish I had a button to biomass everyone.

Market PvP is some of the most dangerous PvP in the game. If you aren't careful, you can lose billions in an instant in a manipulated market, or even when you try to manipulate the markets yourself.

[silly things]
(aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).
[more silly things]

Start with yourself, it will save you time.

Yes, you can find ways into low sec but most areas near highly populated hi-sec space is gate camped for the most part.

'Theme park area', just love the catch phrases you drones use.

As to the OP, best advice for almost any problem in EVE is finding the right corporation to do things with, including hi-sec activities, pvp roams (low and high) or whatever you want. Doing anything alone is always more dangerous.

I have fun, I just wish I had more time to play. And I am having fun from the start. Still flying T1 frigates and cruisers, still having fun.

I guess I can have fun in not even halfway decent ships :)

I'm confused at how you entertain the idea that the highly populated high-sec fringe low space is perma-camped. Elaborate again on why going into low-sec is so bad?

Also, post with your main.

Clever retort by the way, as everyone would in-fact include myself. That's a lot like someone saying "I'm going to kill myself" and responding "Kill yourself". This level of wit brings me back to my school years.

Going into low is a good thing, just when its done properly and not for people to just go alone with no plan or information. Many on the forum say to go to low and leave it at that and I think its just setting people up for failure. Players should first find a corporation while in hi-sec and then go with corp-mates into low. But thats just my opinion.

Plenty of people have gone into low-sec with no plan at a few days old and done just fine.

Is this game for morons only?

I'm sure about that. What could possibly go wrong, going into low sec without a clue?

I'm sure about that. What could possibly go wrong, going into low sec without a clue?

I have been through low-sec solo a few years ago and the only plan was to get to 0.0 following the autopilot route (only the route) and saw nobody at the gates although 1 or 2 in local. So at least back then it shows that you won't always run into trouble, but what it's like now I have no idea. Maybe I'll have to find out sometime.

Not a hell of a lot when you're talking about such a small investment is what.

Yes.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

If you are mining in Hi sec and you are getting blown up...you are falling for what they say is the oldest trick in the book, which makes you a moron.

Well, if you kill someone whose sole source of income was missioning, awas full of implants, forgot to insure and upgrade the clone; that player was set back weeks of gameplay in normal people's life.

So griefers are nothing but a nuissance and damage the game and contribute towards the exodus of future players who could make EVE better.

I sympathize the OP. What I can say is try to understand this:

If you have stuff in your cargohold, and they take up space, what do you do?: Jettison it. Once is out there floating, it's bait for griefers. So understand that jettisoning something, is tossing it because you can't hold it.
But I don't like the fact that griefers can dock while they are under the aggression countdown. That's cowardice and motivates people to grief for the sake of griefing, which is what makes some people unsubscribe.

Nullsec players complain about low population and noone to play with. Well, if you kill someone whose sole source of income was missioning, awas full of implants, forgot to insure and upgrade the clone; that player was set back weeks of gameplay in normal people's life. So griefers are nothing but a nuissance and damage the game and contribute towards the exodus of future players who could make EVE better.

Yeah, just leave high sec, though you can expect to be ganked in the first jump or two by gate camping muppets who prey on those venturing into low sec. You people with your one line ill thought replies on this forum never cease to entertain me.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

I would like to point out something to my fellow posters here... the 10-20 minute part might actually be the belt rats killing him and not actual players.

There is no killmail losses on eve-kill or BC.

The op is either a troll... or a Moron, I would go with moron.

I hear Farmville is really cut throat and can get so intense it's like a knife fight in a phone booth.

I remember 5-6 years ago there were several hundred thousend players in EVE, with over 100k online most times.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

just getting into the mining.

surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there

Actually its not about a good fight or a fight at all its about what they call tear extraction, you are actually lucky they went ahead and blew you up instead of just holding you there indefinitely pointed and webbed taunting you in local and calling you names. Unfortunately a lot of socially disadvantaged psychopaths playing eve are into that sort of thing. If you want to build an industrial empire and this game does have fine mechanics to do that you unfortunately need to go be a Null-sec pet under the protection of a large power block surrounded by several system of blues to do it unharassed. The logistics can be harder but hey you're an industrialist, train jump freighters.

No, you don't.

Any other blatantly obvious lies you want to try?

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

I remember 5-6 years ago there were several hundred thousend players in EVE, with over 100k online most times.

I remember 5-6 years ago there were several hundred thousend players in EVE, with over 100k online most times. All I saw now was 10-20k, may be 40k on weekends, I was a bit taken aback by that.

Because Chribba has all of those things.


Oh wai....

Current record:

63,170

Please tell us more all about those 100k players online.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

Well, so much for friends singing the praises of Eve back then,I was just watching at the time. Then there never were something like 100k+ players either I guess. Damn that spin.

All great advise in some way.

For those who wondered about the kill. It was a badger something, he blackmailed me first, 200m or pop, not that I would have the chat open and see that. Then he must have locked me and through the autolock got my drones firing at him I guess, I was reading stuff at the time. Mindyou, I would expect the concord to shoot me then, which didn't happen either. By the time I switched sessions, he had my shield down pretty much, but it still took ages for him to finish the job.

Now, I don't know nor do I care, if blackmailing is allowed or not by CCP, I was told this game was fun, but if I have to deal with the same stuff and stupidity as in real life, that's not what I call fun. There's more fun in watching paint try on a wet day! Mind you, I'm apparently not the only one. I remember 5-6 years ago there were several hundred thousend players in EVE, with over 100k online most times. All I saw now was 10-20k, may be 40k on weekends, I was a bit taken aback by that.

It sounds like you were mining into a jettisoned container...

I think I'll have a nice game of chess instead, and thanks for all the fish.

On the stats, so the 325k subscribers Eve reported last year don't ring true then either. Can you trust anyone these days?

I think I'll have a nice game of chess instead, and thanks for all the fish.

No, I wasn't can mining, gave that up last week.

On the stats, so the 325k subscribers Eve reported last year don't ring true then either. Can you trust anyone these days?

I think I'll have a nice game of chess instead, and thanks for all the fish.

On the stats, so the 325k subscribers Eve reported last year don't ring true then either.

No, I wasn't can mining, gave that up last week.

On the stats, so the 325k subscribers Eve reported last year don't ring true then either.

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons?

No, I wasn't can mining, gave that up last week.

On the stats, so the 325k subscribers Eve reported last year don't ring true then either. Can you trust anyone these days?

I think I'll have a nice game of chess instead, and thanks for all the fish.

Is this game for morons only?

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

Show me on the doll where the bad PvPer touched you?

or

You are a PvE player paying for a PvP game and you think the PvPers are moroons?

H e l l o ? ?

Calling a guy who ganks miners a PvP'er is the same as calling a guy who brings a shotgun to a petting zoo a hunter.

Its a player vs player event so its pvp.

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WoW is that way --->

EVE is not for you

etc etc etc

For those who wondered about the kill. It was a badger something, he blackmailed me first, 200m or pop,

typical goon pet post. at least give her 1/10.

...and really, have you actually brought a shotgun to a petting zoo? People freak out and go crazy, for one, and that scares the animals. You start getting some shots off shot and I guarantee hitting targets will get a lot harder right away.

lol, I'm sorry that made me laugh.. some "pirate" really tried to random a badger one for 200 million? What were you hauling a PLEX? that's funny... and stupid.

In a game driven by people, you're going to have to deal with people.

Go herp derp somewhere else you anti-social recluse.

After some trash talk later he even gave me 10 times its value, guess he got scared I get him banned for blackmailing me in the first place (come to think of it, may be it isn't allowed by CCP after all).

...and really, have you actually brought a shotgun to a petting zoo? People freak out and go crazy, for one, and that scares the animals. You start getting some shots off and I guarantee hitting targets will get a lot harder right away.

Dealing with people is great, dealing with morons is annoying, having to deal with morons is the bit I don't care for. And if I'm expected to pay money for it, I'll choose, and I chose not to (although briefly I considered to play a moron too and just randomly shoot at people, but then that sounds awefully boring, and believe me mining already was boring).

PS: and it's not that I had anything worth while looting, may 1k cubic meters of some ore. After some trash talk later he even gave me 10 times its value, guess he got scared I get him banned for blackmailing me in the first place (come to think of it, may be it isn't allowed by CCP after all).

0/10

WoW is that way --->

EVE is not for you

etc etc etc

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

Pfffft, their hemmed in by fences, they won't get far.

Is this game for morons only?

0/10

WoW is that way --->

EVE is not for you

etc etc etc

having to deal with morons is the bit I don't care for.

Dealing with people is great, dealing with morons is annoying, having to deal with morons is the bit I don't care for. And if I'm expected to pay money for it, I'll choose, and I chose not to (although briefly I considered to play a moron too and just randomly shoot at people, but then that sounds awefully boring, and believe me mining already was boring).

PS: and it's not that I had anything worth while looting, may 1k cubic meters of some ore. After some trash talk later he even gave me 10 times its value, guess he got scared I get him banned for blackmailing me in the first place (come to think of it, may be it isn't allowed by CCP after all).

It's not about sandbox or PVP or PVE or harsh game and s**t like that... As in RL, sometime is dangerous even to step out in the street - but you still go out, dont you? Do not take this game too seriously - there always be someone to mock you, one way or another. Just try to play the game as YOU like and try to protect yourself best you can, read the guides (there are bunch of them), read the forums from time to time and you'll be OK.

Fly safe and have fun.

I get your drift, but I thought this was a fun game, not real life, nothing fun about that. Actually, since you mention guides plural, I didn't expect to do a dissertation to just play a bit either (that's actually what I was doing, mining afk to make some cash to buy and try some things, while trying to read up on what to waste it on next - so far all the docs have been poor, ironically the ones on mining were the most reasonable, which is a laugh).

are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun.

Yeah, just leave high sec, though you can expect to be ganked in the first jump or two by gate camping muppets who prey on those venturing into low sec. You people with your one line ill thought replies on this forum never cease to entertain me.

Do you get commission for WoW referrals ?

Tal

its simple: look up dotlan evemaps and find a quieter system to mine, so others wont harhass you that much.

0/10

WoW is that way --->

EVE is not for you

etc etc etc

0/10

WoW is that way --->

EVE is not for you

etc etc etc

When you undock from a station you are consenting to take part in pvp whether in 0.0, lowsec or highsec. There is no feature designed to prevent aggression from other players... other than docking.

I wish CCP would put a pop up that would say just that so all n00bs would get it.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

Well i dont know if you are troll or just noob. So im not going to btching you so here are some hints.

-Do not mine in main trade hub area, even 5j from those hubs are dangerous.
- search dotlan maps and find yourself quiet and "safe" space to mine. (Derelik for example.)

Just a noob. The dotlan thing is quite useful, wish I had that two weeks ago. Mind you, I'm not taking this game that serious, just trying it out, it's supposed to be fun. But I'm getting the distinct impression that everyone is rather serious, focused and intense, you know, the sort of thing I'd expect at work. Then again, I never could figure out, when someone is doing role playing stupid talk and when it's just real person moronic, may be that's were I go wrong. Bring back games without a chat option!

There's only so many ways it can be hinted at.

To answer your question, yes, it's actually the game developers intention to build Eve the way it is.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler

I think it is a game directed at social rejects. Personally I like the challenge because it is so complex, but there are very very few people in Eve that have any desire to be challenged. Most want to make up for their failures in life by winning in a video game, which is why they like uneven fights as opposed to true competition where one has the possibility of losing. These aren't dumb people, they're just broken.

As for me, I enjoy the SciFi aspect, the complexity of the game, and the ability to have massive space battles. I do not enjoy being around people who like being "worried and slightly angry". Unfortunately it comes with the territory.

if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec.

Most want to make up for their failures in life by winning in a video game, which is why they like uneven fights as opposed to true competition where one has the possibility of losing. These aren't dumb people, they're just broken.

Let me stop you right there. This game isn't for you, end of story, move on. You aren't safe in EVE, ever, not even in high sec. Either you accept that or you walk away, it's as simple as that.

Mine in a noob (starter) system.

They have a blanket ban on shenanigans

You assume wrong. I mostly stay in hi-sec now because I have had enough of pvp, but I have played the game since June '03 and have done a bit of everything. Yes, you can find ways into low sec but most areas near highly populated hi-sec space is gate camped for the most part. 'Theme park area', just love the catch phrases you drones use. As to the OP, best advice for almost any problem in EVE is finding the right corporation to do things with, including hi-sec activities, pvp roams (low and high) or whatever you want. Doing anything alone is always more dangerous.

Eve is not modeled on some middle age romantic notion of honor and valor, where gallant knights duel in hopes of winning the heart of the princess. In real life if you are about to get into a bar fight, and the other guy tells you that he think you should go outside and finish it. You really should stay inside, chances are he just wants to get you in a situation where he and his friends will have the advantage of numbers.

That is how eve is.

It sounds like you speak from experience. Personally I have a CCW, so unlike Eve, I would only have to fight if I chose to. However, if you're going to carry a gun you have to be prepared to use it, and unlike Eve, people don't get dropped into a new clone body after they die. They just die. So I would say comparing real life to Eve is apples to oranges. Anyway, I think there is a very big gap between strict adherence to chivalrous rules of combat and justifying the snake in the grass tactics a lot of people use in Eve. Those are extremes. Somewhere in the middle is a realistic balance, and it is achieved quite well in most video games, to the mutual benefit of the players and the publishers.

EVE is not most video games & is not supposed to be fair, to the mutual benefit of it's players & the publishers.

Churn is a big problem for the gaming companies as churners impact negatively in the word- of-mouth reports for potential and existing customers leading to further erosion of user base.

Perhaps not, but it is supposed to be profitable, and the fact is Eve has a few hundred thousand accounts (300K???) in a 6 billion dollar market. CCP is a business. It is competing with other businesses. It is wise to read the tea leaves of the market and adjust your strategy accordingly. Whatever Eve is supposed to be, whatever you or I or CCP wants it to be, is completely irrelevant to what the market wants. The market is what pays for Eve - or doesn't pay for Eve, as the case may be.

So the question is: will more people pay for Eve it is is more fair and more friendly? I think so and I definitely do not think you have to turn it into My Little Pony in order to do so.

This is taken from a paper published by Dept of Computer Science & Enggeering at the University of Minnesota. They recieved funding for the project from the NSF and the Army Research Institute:



Churn is the biggest problem facing established MMORPGs. If CCP wants to reduce its churn rate, I assert they need to take a good look at what their competitors are doing and see if they can replicate some of their success by adjusting their products, marketing, goals and corporate culture. According to researchers in the aforementioned study driving your customers away has the secondary adverse consequence of creating a bad name for yourself. I do not see that taken into account in their corporate culture or game design. If CCP wants to realize its true potential - which would result in solidifying the financial futures of its employees and allowing capital to be directed towards future projects - they need to make major changes in order to reduce churn. The first of which being making Eve a place people want to play in despite the fact they do not share the current customer base's proclivities. Eve has some thousands of systems, and I see no reason the entirety of Eve has to be directed at only one type of player. If miners want a section, there should be a place for miners. If traders want a section there should be a place for traders. It makes business sense and I cannot understand why CCP hasn't realized that.

I don't expect most of the people reading this forum to agree. By definition you are non-churners. It is not you CCP needs to worry about retaining, it is the people walking away because they don't like being griefed or the game is too hard or expensive. If CCP is happy limping along, and apparently to many that is either acceptable or they believe its the best they can do, they should continue to do what they have been doing.

Bottom line: I believe that if they want better results they need to change more than game mechanics or improve the technology,they need to change their entire attitude towards their customer base. I could be wrong, but I'm probably not.

There's only so many ways it can be hinted at.

Churn is the biggest problem facing established MMORPGs.

If miners want a section, there should be a place for miners. If traders want a section there should be a place for traders. It makes business sense and I cannot understand why CCP hasn't realized that.

Just a noob. The dotlan thing is quite useful, wish I had that two weeks ago. Mind you, I'm not taking this game that serious, just trying it out, it's supposed to be fun. But I'm getting the distinct impression that everyone is rather serious, focused and intense, you know, the sort of thing I'd expect at work. Then again, I never could figure out, when someone is doing role playing stupid talk and when it's just real person moronic, may be that's were I go wrong. Bring back games without a chat option!

Bring back games without a chat option!

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.

Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players.....

GǪand CCP has chosen to approach that problem by not doing what their competitors is doing and instead build a game with pretty remarkable stickiness.

What their competitors are doing is exactly the reason why those competitors have burned out in very short order.

CCP is not happily limping along GÇö it's on a pleasant stroll.

In most cases eve isn't for you.

bye bye now.

Wolf

Roisin Corcra - I am coming for your corpse :)

You're exactly wrong. The lack of stickiness is the problem.

Most games don't burn out, they are replaced by competition.

Eve has given Sci-Fi MMOs a bad name so it's been impossible to fund one to date.

EvE was making profit when it had 2k players on prime time.
EvE is making profit with 20k-50k players online 23/7.

If EvE cnages to be WoW in space,

EvE is not competing for the whole MMO player base, neither is WoW.
EvE is competing for the playerbase looking for a ruthless sandbox game,

So now tell me again how ignoring the playerbase EvE pretty much got monopoly on (sandbox) in this age and trying to change it to compete with the market that no other publisher has succeded in since WoW is a good idea?

-_-

Regards, a EvE player who has played on and of and always comes back since 2003 - Because EvE is unfair, up to the player to make sure he/shes on the good side of the unfair line.

Now there is a man who should be on the cover of Fortune. You've missed your calling Wolf!