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Quin'gan	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:48:00 - [31] Ships looks awesome, so it's a nice free gift. Allthough.... Even if it could hold 15k cargo, 10 k command centres, it wouldnt ever be used - simply because it's not replacable. So its fine that its compeleaty useless for the PI - if it was any good, people would use it and loose it to suicide gankers. Since it's not beeing used, we can all appriciate the nice design for a while.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Simeon Tor The ship was never supposed to replace anything a player with any experiance would have. I doubt most people use the Apotheosis, Zephyr and Interbus shuttle either. Well, since Apotheosis and the Interbus are both shuttles, I suppose people would use them as...shuttles... ...I leave mine in my hangar most of the time though, b/c it's like painting a giant target on your forehead, I do undock my Apotheosis every once in a while though...never really need my Zephyr since I don't do WH stuff often... Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:49:00 - [33] The same people complaining about the free Primae being useless are probably the same people that demand snowball launchers every Christmas. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
BlaqueJack	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:54:00 - [34] Let's face it folks, this is a prime example of "Grand Design & No Substance". I shudder at the probably "bold" ideas, thought & discussion in the CCP Management Bunker that went into the remarkable utility of this outstandingly useful ship. The actually decent design should have been saved for something that would actually be flown around the stars with some regularity IMHO. These Primae will not be flown for any real purpose as they are now.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:58:00 - [35] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 29/06/2010 17:02:57 Originally by: Grarr Dexx As if the apotheosis and zephyr had any practical use A shuttle is a shuttle, and the Apotheosis is as good as any shuttle. As such, I use it quite a lot. The Zephyr has had good value for me recently as I have been interest in exploring Sleeper structures up close without having to bother with the hostile Sleeper drones. I can further see a purpose in the Zephyr as bait to lure people to drop on top of you when sitting next to a big fat Sleeper battleship. This Primae, on the other hand, has no practical use a normal industrial ship cannot handle. In fact, its "unique feature" is to have more restrictions on what it can carry than just about any other ship. I am certainly not afraid to take my Primae out to fly if it could do something better or at least as good as other ships. But, this is like being given a rookie ship and you can already fly tech 1. EDIT: Perhaps the Primae would be well suited as a special Steam item for new players. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
RFID Gallente Proposition Thirteen	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:08:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) Sheeeeeezh...some people would complain about a wet kiss. It's a gift, people. Thank you, CCP.
electrostatus Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:08:00 - [37] Its far too cool looking to leave as a one time ship! Add some more slots and room and bonuses to it and stick it on the market a year from now. And ORE needs to come out with more industrial ships with moving parts or transforming ships. ― Vexo M > He turned the drives up to 11
Enkilil Minmatar Thirteen Ninety Three	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:11:00 - [38] Well, since I don't play Eve-Farmville... I'm keeping it and every once and a while will dust it off and fly it around a high sec station to make sure it's in proper working order. It really is a very nice ship. Thanks for it :D
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:12:00 - [39] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 29/06/2010 17:15:22 Quote: (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning The Interbus Shuttle is fantastic for the cargo, period. It seems little difference but often times it's exactly what's needed to fit what you need to quickly deliver somewhere. It does something better than the standard. The Zephyr I love it. Not better than a cov ops but it got its perks the cov ops won't have. The Primae is so cool, but does not really have a perk at all. I can stash an elite command center and still fit much more than it can in my indy I could train in how long, 1 hour? Imho the Primae would make your design work justice if its cargo would rise with one (or more) PI skills, up to 10k. Then it'd be cool and also useful and there would not be the excuse "everyone can fly it", because the unlocked full version would be for those who ie train command centers to 5 (more comparable to training an indy to IV) Edit: it's not to complain about a gift, it's because I'd REALLY want to use it instead of looking at it in station. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Tiiron	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:24:00 - [40] Had a spin in it. at least you can have command modules separate. If it added to some PI survey skills it might be ok, but I have to agree, bit useless atm compared with say, a mammoth which can equip a cloaking device and set up colonies on low sec planets etc. And you only get a single ship. Why can't you build it?

Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:27:00 - [41] Definately my favorite of the free ships so far tbh. I may not be undocking it but it's nice for camera spin _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
Galen Gallente Gallente Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:40:00 - [42] The ship is useless with out a means of create new or close to equivalent ships in game. So even if the Blueprint copy has skill requirements to fly it, the ship is "replaceable". Due to the first rule of EVE don't fly anything you can afford to loose/replace this ship is now unplayable. Thanks for giving us a new moving target for Suicide gankers which you refuse to fix. Anyone with a negative sec status of -2 or lower should become kill on sight to all players and Concord with no sec status loss. If you CCP refuse to fix issues in your game at least give us in game methods to take care of your short sightedness. It would be great if Concord would Pod the pirates back to 900k skill points.
Karnus Solus	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Galen Gallente The ship is useless with out a means of create new or close to equivalent ships in game. So even if the Blueprint copy has skill requirements to fly it, the ship is "replaceable". Due to the first rule of EVE don't fly anything you can afford to loose/replace this ship is now unplayable. Agreed. I hate these vanity ships, give us ships that we can use please!
Jypsie	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Salyan Originally by: Simeon Tor Originally by: Deamos Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? Which for some reason can't hold Heavy or Base metals. It can't hold water either... Yeah, I was liking flying around in it, until the very first PI commodity I went to pick up was Water. Needless to say, heading back to station to switch from my Primae to my T1 Indy so I could pick up my PI stuff was quite ironic.
Utremi Fasolasi Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/06/2010 15:51:19 1000m3 PI materials cargo hold that isn't at all affected by cargo expanders? Really? So the Primae, which was specifically made for PI, is less effective at it than every other industrial that isk can buy? For newer players with low ship skills I can see how it could be a plus. And it looks cool, I hope there are BPOs later.
Tiiron	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:56:00 - [46] Originally by: Jypsie Originally by: Salyan Originally by: Simeon Tor Originally by: Deamos Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? Which for some reason can't hold Heavy or Base metals. It can't hold water either... Yeah, I was liking flying around in it, until the very first PI commodity I went to pick up was Water. Needless to say, heading back to station to switch from my Primae to my T1 Indy so I could pick up my PI stuff was quite ironic. It's nice to get a free ship and all, and looks great. Aside from not being able to build them... making them unusable, or at least limited use time, they are no where near as good as ships that you can easily train to from scratch in a couple of hours.
Camios Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:58:00 - [47] Edited by: Camios on 29/06/2010 18:59:06 I think that the Primae is a good ship, but it would be better if it become produceable. It's quite a though industrial, it can get to 12k ehp with a 150m sig radius and a 250m/s velocity. It would be better with an mwd or afterburner, but the Primae is not a blockade runner. It's presumably the best ship to do PI with for noobs Personally, since it is so useful to newbies, and it's a very beutiful design, I think that it's a pity that we don't have the bpo ingame. I mean, it's all wasted good design work...
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Camios I mean, it's all wasted good design work... This is exactly what people are complaining about. With such a beautiful hull they want to find a use for it but as others have stated the free hauler off the tutorial missions is a far far better choice. I mean how gamebreaking would it have been to give it at least a 5~10k pi bay and a slightly larger equipment bay so that it would be worth using by a total pi noob with one planet over the free hauler? As it stands it just a really pretty ship to spin in the station as you survey planets. Ah well I guess it was free. shrug Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Florio Miniature Giant Space Hamsters	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:10:00 - [49] If they're so rubbish why are they selling for 15m a pop? (trade channels) I love the ship for the design alone. It's a fun ship too, I've already had a zealot try to bump me off station towards his gank suicide domi alt off a 0.5 station.
Droxlyn Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:13:00 - [50] If this is a "prototype" ship, then a T1 ship based off of it would be cool. ORE needs their own Basic Industrial class ship. As it is, it would make a nice reward of a Planetary Interaction Tutorial. On the whole, pretty but not terribly useful. Drox

Karnus Solus	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Florio If they're so rubbish why are they selling for 15m a pop? (trade channels A couple of reasons: 1) its no producable 2) people are greedy w**kers
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:35:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) It's crap, mate. What's the point? --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
ghengis khan2 Shad0wtech	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:47:00 - [53] I like the design of the ship , i think it looks cool. Although i must agree with others on here it has no use that a t1 hauler cannot perform better. i see others mentioning the zephyr, but that at least has a unique ability i.e it doesnt get targeted by WH rats. now if the primae had a unique ability that would be lovelly :) atm its filling the same role as the apotheosis that came out..looked nice but thats about it [url]
Benco97 Gallente Carpe Diem inc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:50:00 - [54] Edited by: Benco97 on 29/06/2010 19:53:28 This whole "It isn't the best at something so it's useless at everything" is a flaw which runs through the entire game and affects every aspect of gameplay. Yesterday you did not have this ship. It was a non-issue. Today you have this ship, for no expenditure of ISK or time on your part. Somehow this is a PROBLEM? It's a gift and if I was CCP I'd be making damn well sure you didn't get any more of them for this kind of spoiled behaviour. Edit - Imagine the scene, it is your birthday and your grandmother gave you ú10. Last year she gave you ú15. Do you : 1) Think "This is a nice gift, thankyou grandmother" OR 2) Give your grandmother the finger and tell her to f-off if she isn't going to give you at LEAST half of her savings. WHAT DO YOU DO? ______________________________________________ Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:06:00 - [55] If they want to give out a useless unique gift, they shouldn't even pretend to add any form or shape of game design to it. Just make a model without any stats. It's like promising a unique but low powered motorcycle as a present and then giving you one that the average bicycle can take over. Here, have a cake, sorry but it has no flavor, it's just shaped sugar, but it looks great and it's free, so don't complain about it. It just feels dishonest and insulting in some way. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
Tiiron	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Benco97 Edited by: Benco97 on 29/06/2010 19:53:28 This whole "It isn't the best at something so it's useless at everything" is a flaw which runs through the entire game and affects every aspect of gameplay. Yesterday you did not have this ship. It was a non-issue. Today you have this ship, for no expenditure of ISK or time on your part. Somehow this is a PROBLEM? It's a gift and if I was CCP I'd be making damn well sure you didn't get any more of them for this kind of spoiled behaviour. Edit - Imagine the scene, it is your birthday and your grandmother gave you ú10. Last year she gave you ú15. Do you : 1) Think "This is a nice gift, thankyou grandmother" OR 2) Give your grandmother the finger and tell her to f-off if she isn't going to give you at LEAST half of her savings. WHAT DO YOU DO? Spoiled? Hold on mate, don't we all pay CCP 15 euros a month here? I see what you are saying, and I don't expect extras from them, but promising a ship that will basically be your PI ship, and ends up being about as useful as a waterproof teabag is a bit disappointing. It looks good, thats the sad thing. And you cant reproduce it. So what is the point of it? We're all a bit miffed because of that simple fact: we want to use it but there is no reason to. Oh and CCP isn't anyone's grandmother, they aren't poor old ladies that put lots of love and effort into it. Bad anology I'm afraid.
BlaqueJack	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:39:00 - [57] Benco97, seriously. If you were a football player and I gave you a tu-tu for a birthday gift would you say "Oh how nice, it's the thought that counts" or would you sarcastically say "...ah thanks. Put a lot of thought into that one didn't you?". Where there could have been "more than a modi***of thought" put into the Primae before giving them out, there was precious little attention paid to the fact that if you give a gift, make it something the receiver will be happy to have and use. It's no great leap to understand this. This "gift" is something akin to what a dullard friend of mine would "pick up" in a cheap trinket shop at the duty-free before hopping on a flight. Even he wouldn't expect me to actually say "Gee Thanks so much!" So yeah CCP. Make them hold more cargo and possibly equip a cloak depending on your PI skills. Keep them worthless for non-PI players (oh wait...they already are!). Now that* would be a gift worthy of the term.
Zelphinine	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:45:00 - [58] The Primae looks amazingly cool. I wish it was useful - it's entirely different type of ship from an Interbus shuttle or what have you. By the stats it's meant to be a functional workship, not a semi-useful toy. Boost (and fix) the PI cargohold, seed the market with BPOs. Call the improved version the Primae mk. II in the Gallente style. Gift ship with low stats is free, awesome model with good stats is buildable and worthwhile, everyone is happy.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:57:00 - [59] Originally by: el caido I am all for free shinies - cheers, CCP. However, a new ship model dedicated to a gift ship seems to be a gross misappropriation of art team resources when there are a plethora of outstanding graphical defects, oversights, and requests. Hopefully this beauty can be used elsewhere ... perhaps a future shipclass, hmm?
Karnus Solus	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:57:00 - [60] Originally by: Zelphinine Edited by: Zelphinine on 29/06/2010 20:47:27 The Primae looks amazingly cool. I wish it was useful - it's entirely different type of ship from an Interbus shuttle or what have you. By the stats it's meant to be a functional workship, not a semi-useful toy. Boost (and fix) the PI cargohold, seed the market with BPOs. Call the improved version the Primae mk. II in the Gallente style. Maybe give it a relevant bonus based off your Planetology skill or something. Gift ship with low stats is free, awesome model with good stats is buildable at a price and worthwhile, everyone is happy. That's a great idea.



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