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Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/06/2010 15:51:19 1000m3 PI materials cargo hold that isn't at all affected by cargo expanders? Really? So the Primae, which was specifically made for PI, is less effective at it than every other industrial that isk can buy?
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:52:00 - [2] Originally by: Jada Maroo The Primae is ironically the least effective PI ship on the market. It's not even on Market =/ Item DB \| Sigs
Raziphan Rebular Caldari Polished Diamond Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:52:00 - [3] leave the Primae alone! It has feelings ya know.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:53:00 - [4] A PI-Hold of 3k-6k would have been worthwhile, 1k is barely holding one day worth of production in highsec. And usually you only haul every few days for time efficiency's sake. -------- All I want is a better mankind.

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:57:00 - [5] It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.)

Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:01:00 - [6] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) Okay but why not tie its cargo capacity to the Planetology skill or something? Or something along those lines. I love the design of the ship -- obviously a lot of time was put into its detail. But it's never really going to find a use with its current abilities. It would have been nice to see its cargo capacity tied to the pilot's planetology skill or something. Either way, I appreciate the gift. I just wish I could use it more is all.
Benco97 Gallente Carpe Diem inc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:03:00 - [7] Personally I love the little guy! Thanks much CCP. ______________________________________________ Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:05:00 - [8] Will we be able to produce or otherwise buy the ship from the market in the future? Is this ship going to be a tutorial award? (IIRC, such as how you can get an industrial from doing the tutorial missions.) ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Blastrodamus	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Jada Maroo But it's never really going to find a use with its current abilities. 100% disagree. i am using it right now and for my production needs it is perfect.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:09:00 - [10] Meh, I think I'll stick to my trusty blockade runner. Thanks anyhow. Perhaps the Primae is just a training industrial for rookies. Of course, they would be most annoyed when losing it too. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:09:00 - [11] Look at the bright side: at least your PI materials are gank-proofà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Inquisitor Berthez Alien Pancake Bonanza	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:09:00 - [12] Can't there at least be some things better about this ships, so it actually has use? i.e. Let it warp faster, let it have a low sig radius, or cloak even.. .
Deamos Atlas Transgalactic	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Deamos on 29/06/2010 16:10:53 Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? edit: Theres also a 1600 m3 Command Center Hold -
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Deamos Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? Which for some reason can't hold Heavy or Base metals.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:12:00 - [15] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/06/2010 16:15:02 Originally by: Deamos Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? That's several thousand less than a Wreathe can do and the Wreathe is pretty much a beginner industrial noobship. So really it's not the most cost effective PI ship. The most cost effective and overall effective PI ship you will get in Eve will be your first free industrial from the tutorial missions.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 29/06/2010 16:12:58 Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. Well it is free But even so, since it's a gift I won't undock with it. IB4 "Carebear" flames Item DB \| Sigs
Cyprus Black Caldari 4 wing Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:17:00 - [17] I like the idea behind the Primae but I believe it's a bit lackluster. Sure it's free and I appreciate free, but I can't find any practical use for this ship. It can't do anything that a simple low end industrial cannot already do. No offense CCP guys, but I would've rather it be an addition to the whole PI instead of a novelty "gank-me" "never-undock" "useless-thing-to-contract-away-for-isk" ship. It would've been nice to see BPOs on the market for this thing. A one time giveaway just means this ship will never be used for its intended purpose because it's too rare to risk getting blown up. Plus a larger cargohold for PI materials is badly needed. I have to make ten trips per planet with this Primae just to recover a full exported rocket whereas my simple T1 industrial fitted with T1 cargo expanders only has to make one trip (and yes I really do export that much on a regular basis). One is easily replaceable, the other is not. This isn't so much of a complaint as it is a poor attempt at constructive criticism. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:20:00 - [18] Edited by: Thrasymachus TheSophist on 29/06/2010 16:21:11 Originally by: Cyprus Black No offense CCP guys, but I would've rather it be an addition to the whole PI instead of a novelty "gank-me" "never-undock" "useless-thing-to-contract-away-for-isk" ship. Wait a year and then test the bolded hypothesis. I'd be willing to wager you'll be pleasantly surprised. Think of it less as a ship, and more as an investment. In MMOs, scarcity = value, and as time goes by, these will only become more scarce. Edit to your edit: Don't do BPOs for it ... then its just totally worthless!
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:20:00 - [19] The ship was never supposed to replace anything a player with any experiance would have. I doubt most people use the Apotheosis, Zephyr and Interbus shuttle either.
Nailo Nimbletong	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Simeon Tor The ship was never supposed to replace anything a player with any experiance would have. I doubt most people use the Apotheosis, Zephyr and Interbus shuttle either. the Zephyr is awesoem in exploring wormholes, other then that 1000m3 is realy crap 0.o

Ticondrius Orbital Infinity Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:25:00 - [21] Going on the in-game attributes... Give us a normal ORE ship (BPOs seeded, no hulls for sale until players build them, etc., etc....) that does: 10Km3 planetary goods hold 8Km3 command center hold 200-300m3 normal hold (doesn't matter too much) Slots: 1 high, 2 medium and 6 lows Role bonus on speed while cloaked (as it doesn't use the covert ops cloaking device) Planetary Command Ships (skillbook) 5% bonus to agility on ships requiring this skill -Require Barge V (Hell, everything else does) I'm sure there's some other good ideas for it, but that's all I've got at the moment. Most of that is gravy or wishful thinking but.... ..really..what use is a PI ship that can't carry 10Km3 of PI materials? I never go pickup anything until my Spaceport is full at 10Km3....I can't even imagine lower skilled players doing it differently, as the central hub Spaceport model is extremely efficient. Weird call, CCP. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- NRDS: Not Really Defending Space MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:31:00 - [22] As if the apotheosis and zephyr had any practical use
Salyan	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Simeon Tor Originally by: Deamos Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? Which for some reason can't hold Heavy or Base metals. It can't hold water either...
Amanda Mor Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/06/2010 16:15:02 Originally by: Deamos Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? That's several thousand less than a Wreathe can do and the Wreathe is pretty much a beginner industrial noobship. So really it's not the most cost effective PI ship. The most cost effective and overall effective PI ship you will get in Eve will be your first free industrial from the tutorial missions. There's a thread on the Market Discussions forum talking about time cost that would disprove your idea - ie just cause you didn't spend ISK on the "free" tutorial industrial, doesn't mean it's free. On the other hand, the Primae is completely free, so it is the most cost-effective PI ship. And to the guy who complains that the ship is useless, but wants the BPO's seeded...uhhhh what? Why? ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that...
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:39:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) Can't you see we are trying to complain here? When will CCP learn to stay out of our game
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:39:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) THIS ^^ So the rest of you not happy with free stuff, just STFU for a change. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:42:00 - [27] It's not complaining - it's complimenting. It's saying "Hey, this is a really awesome ship model. We appreciate getting a freebie but we want one we can buy that's actually useful so this awesome looking ship doesn't go to waste."
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:42:00 - [28] Originally by: Simeon Tor I doubt most people use the Apotheosis, Zephyr and Interbus shuttle either. I use mine a LOT on my industrial character for zipping around back and forth to my POS, but other than that... . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
el caido School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:43:00 - [29] I am all for free shinies - cheers, CCP. However, a new ship model dedicated to a gift ship seems to be a gross misappropriation of art team resources when there are a plethora of outstanding graphical defects, oversights, and requests. Hopefully this beauty can be used elsewhere ... perhaps a future shipclass, hmm?

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:46:00 - [30] Moved from General Discussion to Ships & Modules. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online


Quin'gan	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:48:00 - [31] Ships looks awesome, so it's a nice free gift. Allthough.... Even if it could hold 15k cargo, 10 k command centres, it wouldnt ever be used - simply because it's not replacable. So its fine that its compeleaty useless for the PI - if it was any good, people would use it and loose it to suicide gankers. Since it's not beeing used, we can all appriciate the nice design for a while.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Simeon Tor The ship was never supposed to replace anything a player with any experiance would have. I doubt most people use the Apotheosis, Zephyr and Interbus shuttle either. Well, since Apotheosis and the Interbus are both shuttles, I suppose people would use them as...shuttles... ...I leave mine in my hangar most of the time though, b/c it's like painting a giant target on your forehead, I do undock my Apotheosis every once in a while though...never really need my Zephyr since I don't do WH stuff often... Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:49:00 - [33] The same people complaining about the free Primae being useless are probably the same people that demand snowball launchers every Christmas. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
BlaqueJack	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:54:00 - [34] Let's face it folks, this is a prime example of "Grand Design & No Substance". I shudder at the probably "bold" ideas, thought & discussion in the CCP Management Bunker that went into the remarkable utility of this outstandingly useful ship. The actually decent design should have been saved for something that would actually be flown around the stars with some regularity IMHO. These Primae will not be flown for any real purpose as they are now.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:58:00 - [35] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 29/06/2010 17:02:57 Originally by: Grarr Dexx As if the apotheosis and zephyr had any practical use A shuttle is a shuttle, and the Apotheosis is as good as any shuttle. As such, I use it quite a lot. The Zephyr has had good value for me recently as I have been interest in exploring Sleeper structures up close without having to bother with the hostile Sleeper drones. I can further see a purpose in the Zephyr as bait to lure people to drop on top of you when sitting next to a big fat Sleeper battleship. This Primae, on the other hand, has no practical use a normal industrial ship cannot handle. In fact, its "unique feature" is to have more restrictions on what it can carry than just about any other ship. I am certainly not afraid to take my Primae out to fly if it could do something better or at least as good as other ships. But, this is like being given a rookie ship and you can already fly tech 1. EDIT: Perhaps the Primae would be well suited as a special Steam item for new players. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
RFID Gallente Proposition Thirteen	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:08:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) Sheeeeeezh...some people would complain about a wet kiss. It's a gift, people. Thank you, CCP.
electrostatus Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:08:00 - [37] Its far too cool looking to leave as a one time ship! Add some more slots and room and bonuses to it and stick it on the market a year from now. And ORE needs to come out with more industrial ships with moving parts or transforming ships. ― Vexo M > He turned the drives up to 11
Enkilil Minmatar Thirteen Ninety Three	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:11:00 - [38] Well, since I don't play Eve-Farmville... I'm keeping it and every once and a while will dust it off and fly it around a high sec station to make sure it's in proper working order. It really is a very nice ship. Thanks for it :D
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:12:00 - [39] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 29/06/2010 17:15:22 Quote: (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning The Interbus Shuttle is fantastic for the cargo, period. It seems little difference but often times it's exactly what's needed to fit what you need to quickly deliver somewhere. It does something better than the standard. The Zephyr I love it. Not better than a cov ops but it got its perks the cov ops won't have. The Primae is so cool, but does not really have a perk at all. I can stash an elite command center and still fit much more than it can in my indy I could train in how long, 1 hour? Imho the Primae would make your design work justice if its cargo would rise with one (or more) PI skills, up to 10k. Then it'd be cool and also useful and there would not be the excuse "everyone can fly it", because the unlocked full version would be for those who ie train command centers to 5 (more comparable to training an indy to IV) Edit: it's not to complain about a gift, it's because I'd REALLY want to use it instead of looking at it in station. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Tiiron	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:24:00 - [40] Had a spin in it. at least you can have command modules separate. If it added to some PI survey skills it might be ok, but I have to agree, bit useless atm compared with say, a mammoth which can equip a cloaking device and set up colonies on low sec planets etc. And you only get a single ship. Why can't you build it?

Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:27:00 - [41] Definately my favorite of the free ships so far tbh. I may not be undocking it but it's nice for camera spin _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
Galen Gallente Gallente Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:40:00 - [42] The ship is useless with out a means of create new or close to equivalent ships in game. So even if the Blueprint copy has skill requirements to fly it, the ship is "replaceable". Due to the first rule of EVE don't fly anything you can afford to loose/replace this ship is now unplayable. Thanks for giving us a new moving target for Suicide gankers which you refuse to fix. Anyone with a negative sec status of -2 or lower should become kill on sight to all players and Concord with no sec status loss. If you CCP refuse to fix issues in your game at least give us in game methods to take care of your short sightedness. It would be great if Concord would Pod the pirates back to 900k skill points.
Karnus Solus	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Galen Gallente The ship is useless with out a means of create new or close to equivalent ships in game. So even if the Blueprint copy has skill requirements to fly it, the ship is "replaceable". Due to the first rule of EVE don't fly anything you can afford to loose/replace this ship is now unplayable. Agreed. I hate these vanity ships, give us ships that we can use please!
Jypsie	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Salyan Originally by: Simeon Tor Originally by: Deamos Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? Which for some reason can't hold Heavy or Base metals. It can't hold water either... Yeah, I was liking flying around in it, until the very first PI commodity I went to pick up was Water. Needless to say, heading back to station to switch from my Primae to my T1 Indy so I could pick up my PI stuff was quite ironic.
Utremi Fasolasi Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/06/2010 15:51:19 1000m3 PI materials cargo hold that isn't at all affected by cargo expanders? Really? So the Primae, which was specifically made for PI, is less effective at it than every other industrial that isk can buy? For newer players with low ship skills I can see how it could be a plus. And it looks cool, I hope there are BPOs later.
Tiiron	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:56:00 - [46] Originally by: Jypsie Originally by: Salyan Originally by: Simeon Tor Originally by: Deamos Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right? Which for some reason can't hold Heavy or Base metals. It can't hold water either... Yeah, I was liking flying around in it, until the very first PI commodity I went to pick up was Water. Needless to say, heading back to station to switch from my Primae to my T1 Indy so I could pick up my PI stuff was quite ironic. It's nice to get a free ship and all, and looks great. Aside from not being able to build them... making them unusable, or at least limited use time, they are no where near as good as ships that you can easily train to from scratch in a couple of hours.
Camios Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:58:00 - [47] Edited by: Camios on 29/06/2010 18:59:06 I think that the Primae is a good ship, but it would be better if it become produceable. It's quite a though industrial, it can get to 12k ehp with a 150m sig radius and a 250m/s velocity. It would be better with an mwd or afterburner, but the Primae is not a blockade runner. It's presumably the best ship to do PI with for noobs Personally, since it is so useful to newbies, and it's a very beutiful design, I think that it's a pity that we don't have the bpo ingame. I mean, it's all wasted good design work...
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Camios I mean, it's all wasted good design work... This is exactly what people are complaining about. With such a beautiful hull they want to find a use for it but as others have stated the free hauler off the tutorial missions is a far far better choice. I mean how gamebreaking would it have been to give it at least a 5~10k pi bay and a slightly larger equipment bay so that it would be worth using by a total pi noob with one planet over the free hauler? As it stands it just a really pretty ship to spin in the station as you survey planets. Ah well I guess it was free. shrug Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Florio Miniature Giant Space Hamsters	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:10:00 - [49] If they're so rubbish why are they selling for 15m a pop? (trade channels) I love the ship for the design alone. It's a fun ship too, I've already had a zealot try to bump me off station towards his gank suicide domi alt off a 0.5 station.
Droxlyn Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:13:00 - [50] If this is a "prototype" ship, then a T1 ship based off of it would be cool. ORE needs their own Basic Industrial class ship. As it is, it would make a nice reward of a Planetary Interaction Tutorial. On the whole, pretty but not terribly useful. Drox

Karnus Solus	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Florio If they're so rubbish why are they selling for 15m a pop? (trade channels A couple of reasons: 1) its no producable 2) people are greedy w**kers
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:35:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) It's crap, mate. What's the point? --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
ghengis khan2 Shad0wtech	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:47:00 - [53] I like the design of the ship , i think it looks cool. Although i must agree with others on here it has no use that a t1 hauler cannot perform better. i see others mentioning the zephyr, but that at least has a unique ability i.e it doesnt get targeted by WH rats. now if the primae had a unique ability that would be lovelly :) atm its filling the same role as the apotheosis that came out..looked nice but thats about it [url]
Benco97 Gallente Carpe Diem inc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:50:00 - [54] Edited by: Benco97 on 29/06/2010 19:53:28 This whole "It isn't the best at something so it's useless at everything" is a flaw which runs through the entire game and affects every aspect of gameplay. Yesterday you did not have this ship. It was a non-issue. Today you have this ship, for no expenditure of ISK or time on your part. Somehow this is a PROBLEM? It's a gift and if I was CCP I'd be making damn well sure you didn't get any more of them for this kind of spoiled behaviour. Edit - Imagine the scene, it is your birthday and your grandmother gave you ú10. Last year she gave you ú15. Do you : 1) Think "This is a nice gift, thankyou grandmother" OR 2) Give your grandmother the finger and tell her to f-off if she isn't going to give you at LEAST half of her savings. WHAT DO YOU DO? ______________________________________________ Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:06:00 - [55] If they want to give out a useless unique gift, they shouldn't even pretend to add any form or shape of game design to it. Just make a model without any stats. It's like promising a unique but low powered motorcycle as a present and then giving you one that the average bicycle can take over. Here, have a cake, sorry but it has no flavor, it's just shaped sugar, but it looks great and it's free, so don't complain about it. It just feels dishonest and insulting in some way. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
Tiiron	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Benco97 Edited by: Benco97 on 29/06/2010 19:53:28 This whole "It isn't the best at something so it's useless at everything" is a flaw which runs through the entire game and affects every aspect of gameplay. Yesterday you did not have this ship. It was a non-issue. Today you have this ship, for no expenditure of ISK or time on your part. Somehow this is a PROBLEM? It's a gift and if I was CCP I'd be making damn well sure you didn't get any more of them for this kind of spoiled behaviour. Edit - Imagine the scene, it is your birthday and your grandmother gave you ú10. Last year she gave you ú15. Do you : 1) Think "This is a nice gift, thankyou grandmother" OR 2) Give your grandmother the finger and tell her to f-off if she isn't going to give you at LEAST half of her savings. WHAT DO YOU DO? Spoiled? Hold on mate, don't we all pay CCP 15 euros a month here? I see what you are saying, and I don't expect extras from them, but promising a ship that will basically be your PI ship, and ends up being about as useful as a waterproof teabag is a bit disappointing. It looks good, thats the sad thing. And you cant reproduce it. So what is the point of it? We're all a bit miffed because of that simple fact: we want to use it but there is no reason to. Oh and CCP isn't anyone's grandmother, they aren't poor old ladies that put lots of love and effort into it. Bad anology I'm afraid.
BlaqueJack	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:39:00 - [57] Benco97, seriously. If you were a football player and I gave you a tu-tu for a birthday gift would you say "Oh how nice, it's the thought that counts" or would you sarcastically say "...ah thanks. Put a lot of thought into that one didn't you?". Where there could have been "more than a modi***of thought" put into the Primae before giving them out, there was precious little attention paid to the fact that if you give a gift, make it something the receiver will be happy to have and use. It's no great leap to understand this. This "gift" is something akin to what a dullard friend of mine would "pick up" in a cheap trinket shop at the duty-free before hopping on a flight. Even he wouldn't expect me to actually say "Gee Thanks so much!" So yeah CCP. Make them hold more cargo and possibly equip a cloak depending on your PI skills. Keep them worthless for non-PI players (oh wait...they already are!). Now that* would be a gift worthy of the term.
Zelphinine	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:45:00 - [58] The Primae looks amazingly cool. I wish it was useful - it's entirely different type of ship from an Interbus shuttle or what have you. By the stats it's meant to be a functional workship, not a semi-useful toy. Boost (and fix) the PI cargohold, seed the market with BPOs. Call the improved version the Primae mk. II in the Gallente style. Gift ship with low stats is free, awesome model with good stats is buildable and worthwhile, everyone is happy.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:57:00 - [59] Originally by: el caido I am all for free shinies - cheers, CCP. However, a new ship model dedicated to a gift ship seems to be a gross misappropriation of art team resources when there are a plethora of outstanding graphical defects, oversights, and requests. Hopefully this beauty can be used elsewhere ... perhaps a future shipclass, hmm?
Karnus Solus	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:57:00 - [60] Originally by: Zelphinine Edited by: Zelphinine on 29/06/2010 20:47:27 The Primae looks amazingly cool. I wish it was useful - it's entirely different type of ship from an Interbus shuttle or what have you. By the stats it's meant to be a functional workship, not a semi-useful toy. Boost (and fix) the PI cargohold, seed the market with BPOs. Call the improved version the Primae mk. II in the Gallente style. Maybe give it a relevant bonus based off your Planetology skill or something. Gift ship with low stats is free, awesome model with good stats is buildable at a price and worthwhile, everyone is happy. That's a great idea.

Aliea Konovalev Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:01:00 - [61] I don't think anyone would care that it was a worthless ship if it didn't have such a good looking model. In a game filled with ugly ass ships, to waste a good design on a useless ship like this just pushes the wrong buttons.
Kinroi Alari Gallente Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Zelphinine Edited by: Zelphinine on 29/06/2010 20:47:27 The Primae looks amazingly cool. I wish it was useful - it's entirely different type of ship from an Interbus shuttle or what have you. By the stats it's meant to be a functional workship, not a semi-useful toy. Boost (and fix) the PI cargohold, seed the market with BPOs. Call the improved version the Primae mk. II in the Gallente style. Maybe give it a relevant bonus based off your Planetology skill or something. Gift ship with low stats is free, awesome model with good stats is buildable at a price and worthwhile, everyone is happy. oooooh -- I don't mind the Primae "as is," but I REALLY like that idea! -- Nam Sibyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla pendere...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:07:00 - [63] Originally by: Aliea Konovalev I don't think anyone would care that it was a worthless ship if it didn't have such a good looking model. In a game filled with ugly ass ships, to waste a good design on a useless ship like this just pushes the wrong buttons. True enough. It sure looks like it's received the same level of attention and detail as the Scorpoin redesign, but that said, they did say that they'd slowly be working through [some \| most \| all] of the other models so there's still hopeà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
GankuVerymuch	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:36:00 - [64] Me thinks it would have made a better splash with these bonuses "Initially devised as a deep space salvage vessel for large-scale ore retrieval from destroyed ORE fleets in pirate-occupied areas" Salvaging ship anyone? haven't I seen that idea somewhere? and a question if "its previous incarnation was made all but obsolete by the arrival of capsuleers on the interstellar scene" who flew it back then? was it a drone? doesn't make sense, but it's the internet it never does. It looks good though.
Bankotsu Li Minmatar Firehawks	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:37:00 - [65] Personally, I love the design (she's pretty!). She's also FREE! Kinda like a rookie ship for PI people. Would be nice if CCP continued with this thought process, and created a line of ORE ships that were designed specifically for PI, as mentioned previously. There have been some very constructive thoughts about this, and I think it's definitely the right direction to take with it. Only little quirk I've found is that the Planetary cargo hold still restricts some items that are actually PI Items (First I noticed was Oxygen). As far as "FREE" goes, I think it's brilliant. Definitely a nice little nudge to get those waffling about getting into PI, to actually do it. The markets will need it! Yes, it's sorely lacking in many respects, but seriously... put it in perspective. It's FREE. You can run Level 1's in a Rookie ship, but even some of those missions you'll need to warp out one or two times. And if you plan on looting everything? Definitely making a couple of trips. I think the Primae will really kick-start PI for some of the newer players in EVE. They'll start off with their free ship and a little ISK and start making more ISK. Before you know it, they discover the need to train for Industrials because the little Primae just can't handle the volume anymore... Kinda like the Rookie Ships can't handle Level 2 missions. It's an appropriately scaled ship (ISK:functionality), and I love it. "The day you underestimate your opponent is the day you die."
Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:43:00 - [66] The noobie industrial you get from tutorial is also free, and has 3k cargo before cargo expanders.
Gordon Fell	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:50:00 - [67] Please, PLEASE, seed BPO's. Too pretty to die to oblivion except for a few collectors.
Rain Valis	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:04:00 - [68] Originally by: Inquisitor Berthez Can't there at least be some things better about this ships, so it actually has use? i.e. Let it warp faster, let it have a low sig radius, or cloak even.. Cough cough, read Dev blogs? http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=772 A low signature radius (a holdover from its earlier manifestation) adds a layer of defense to the Primaeæs already decent plating.
Kuman Mafais	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:18:00 - [69] Edited by: Kuman Mafais on 29/06/2010 22:18:54 Originally by: Rain Valis Originally by: Inquisitor Berthez Can't there at least be some things better about this ships, so it actually has use? i.e. Let it warp faster, let it have a low sig radius, or cloak even.. Cough cough, read Dev blogs? http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=772 A low signature radius (a holdover from its earlier manifestation) adds a layer of defense to the Primaeæs already decent plating. Great so it takes slightly longer to be locked. That doesn't alter the fact that it's also useless.
Stupid McStupidson Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:24:00 - [70] I too was stunned at the poor stats for the Primae. I really felt like I'd been robbed out of my hard earned ISK, and that.........oh wait. HEY!! THIS FREE MEAL DOESN'T COME WITH A DRINK!!!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGEEEE!!!!

Benco97 Gallente Carpe Diem inc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Tiiron Oh and CCP isn't anyone's grandmother, they aren't poor old ladies that put lots of love and effort into it. Bad anology I'm afraid. My lack of mastery over the written word aside I believe the point was understood and stands. The Primae was given to us to look fancy, be approximately as useful as the previous free ships we have been given and maybe to show that a range of specialist ships with something to do with PI will be coming along in the future. That is all, it was never stated that it was going to be the be-all and end-all of PI and nobody should have expected that. It is just a little something special for subscribers and it fills that role very nicely. Would people have preferred nothing? I see people saying that no effort was put into this ship, I fail to understand what they mean, free ships will never be powerful because then they are encroaching upon the toes of "actual" ships present and future, if the ship was so good that everyone used it...then everyone would use it and that would be just as bad. I totally agree that we need a ship like the Primae with nice spacious holds and little twirly bits but I would really rather that it was provided through the normal means of player production than simply given to us. However, My previous post was a little obtuse and I apologise to anyone who I may have offended, I can be a little hot-headed sometimes and all that achieves is me putting my foot in my mouth. ______________________________________________ Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Rain Valis	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:47:00 - [72] Great so it takes slightly longer to be locked. That doesn't alter the fact that it's also useless. Oh Im sorry, was I supposed to be defending it? I thought I was just informing someone that it actually does have a low sig. Sheesh, talk about missing the context! Sure its useless, I agree but what did you expect considering its free?
Aebh	Posted - 2010.06.29 23:09:00 - [73] i can't be the only person that looks at the primae and thinks "Agamemnon". at least the front bit
Matches 42	Posted - 2010.06.30 00:05:00 - [74] Anyone who thinks this new ship is just great, really great, than can I have all the ships in your hanger this wonderful beasty will replace.....? -see how none of that makes sense? A big Big BIG WTF to CCP! Really guys? Really? Ya can't......you can't even reprocess the darn thing into ANYTHING! The only bright side to this is that there is finaly something that sux vastly more than the 'rookie' death-trap and 1 frigging unit of Trit you get when you get blown to bits and pod back to station. And when grandma sends my a little pink bathing suit, I am not ungratefull, or unkind to her....even though I am a 32 year old MALE. Do you know why? Cause grandma is C R A Z Y as bat crap, thats why. CCP isn't. This was more insulting that being given a single unit of Trit. Shame on you! P.S. now the SP gift was awesome, thanks to the few completely NOT insane and cruel members of CCP that thought of that one. Please go beat the living daylights out of the posers that issued stats to the Hello-Kitty ORE-ship on behalf of ALL the player of this great game. Cheers!
Lofkin Almar	Posted - 2010.06.30 04:21:00 - [75] Originally by: Benco97 My lack of mastery over the written word aside I believe the point was understood and stands. The Primae was given to us to look fancy, be approximately as useful as the previous free ships we have been given and maybe to show that a range of specialist ships with something to do with PI will be coming along in the future. That is all, it was never stated that it was going to be the be-all and end-all of PI and nobody should have expected that. It is just a little something special for subscribers and it fills that role very nicely. Would people have preferred nothing? I see people saying that no effort was put into this ship, I fail to understand what they mean, free ships will never be powerful because then they are encroaching upon the toes of "actual" ships present and future, if the ship was so good that everyone used it...then everyone would use it and that would be just as bad. I totally agree that we need a ship like the Primae with nice spacious holds and little twirly bits but I would really rather that it was provided through the normal means of player production than simply given to us. I agree completely. Granted, I was a disappointed that the ships I already had ships that did more than this one. However, I also started to get excited at the possibility of other PI ships being introduced. I think this ship, as limited as it is, is possibly CCP's way of wetting our appetite for things to come.
Snow Banshee Amarr Ruatha Holding	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:09:00 - [76] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. ... It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning ... Dear Greyscale, i hope you dont mind if i quote part ( and the core) or your statement because there is a major flaw in what tou wrote: Covert ops are quite skill intensive ships, probing need dedicated ships, cloacker T2 need skill at L5 and last "but not least" you are coparing a dedicated T2 ship with a 0 skilled gift ship. The case of Primae its quite different because is is not just worse compared to the "best T2 trasport ship available" . It's simply worst that the worst T1 industrial ( iteron mark i (?) ). And we all know its not that long to train indutrial I. We can even create a char that can already use an industrial ship so i think so can safely say that the training time to fly a better ship is 0 . Plain and simple. I agree when you say that its a gift so we should accept it and be grateful anyway, and so am i. But in my humble opinion that way you wasted your time designing a nice model just to trash it in the wosrt way. You worked for nothing, and even wasted a dedicated rule for a ship that could have been made worth to fly and seeded and built by players. I dont know how do you feel when you wasted days in a job just to finish it and then your employee just trash the whole thing, but when this happens to me in my job im quite disturbed for the wasted effort i gave.
Barga Hi'che	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:53:00 - [77] can't you make it dock with the rockets in space and haul them en masse like a tug using the left and right "wings" and the huge thing that looks like a claw underneath the front, even GSC's!!!! it's a beautiful ship and the price is perfect it just needs summink so it will be used moar. Thanks for the freebie, sorry for the gripe
Achmed TheDead	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:04:00 - [78] the Primae is useless over any other industrial. cant even compair it to the zephyr, b/c it (zephyr) is actually VERY usefull for its role.
Dr Oktober Analogue Limited Engineering	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:04:00 - [79] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) Sorry, but that's logic straight out of the "minerals I mine are free" school of philosophy. These ships are trading for 15 Million and that's now. As they get rarer to losses as time passes they get only more valuable. Any noob flying it and gets suicide-ganked to provide someone with a rare killmail is just doing himself out of the 15+ million he could have had. Now apply that to your "It is, however, the most cost-effective PI ship available".
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:25:00 - [80] You get a Wreathe for free during your tutorial missions. That one has 3300 base cargo space, without skills or mods. That's 600 more than the Primae and it has no restriction on what one can put in. Most cost effective PI ship? I don't think so. -------- All I want is a better mankind.

Aebh	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:40:00 - [81] yeah, damn, sorry you paid so much for the free ship guys. ... if you don't like it, sell it. blow it up. ram it into a sun. it's not like it costs you MONEY to have the thing sit in a hangar collecting dust and looking cool. shut yer traps already. if it helps, think of it as a spiffy shuttle.
Dr Oktober Analogue Limited Engineering	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:45:00 - [82] Edited by: Dr Oktober on 30/06/2010 07:47:02 You mean these Free Ships? Edit:- and yes, it does cost you money to have it sat in your hanger gathering dust.
Aebh	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:50:00 - [83] costs nothing until it comes time to liquidate it. don't start with 'opportunity cost' on a collector's item, you act as if it will depreciate in value as time wears on.
Suicida1	Posted - 2010.06.30 09:36:00 - [84] a better solution would be to: - Seed BPO (ore stations) - add 1-2 high sltos, 2 med slots - add PI related bonuses that depend on PI skills that way we have a nice new ORE ship
Teinyhr Minmatar Nor'akho Matar	Posted - 2010.06.30 09:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Wait a year and then test the bolded hypothesis. I'd be willing to wager you'll be pleasantly surprised. Think of it less as a ship, and more as an investment. In MMOs, scarcity = value, and as time goes by, these will only become more scarce. Apotheosis & Zephyr are worth 5-10 million. That's not a lot of ISK for someone who's been around long enough to have gotten the Apotheosis for example. They're not really that rare because nobody flies them, because they are a "kill me" sign if you take them out on lawless space and even at times in high sec. I doubt Primae will be any different, lot of people will keep them spinning in a hangar, waiting for prices to go up, which they'll never do because nobody loses them.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.30 10:17:00 - [86] Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. (Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.) I think you over estimate the Primae. The Jovian shuttle is much more useful than the Primae. If you havent trained Industrial - seriously you dont care about PI at all. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Dr Oktober Analogue Limited Engineering	Posted - 2010.06.30 12:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Aebh costs nothing until it comes time to liquidate it. don't start with 'opportunity cost' on a collector's item, you act as if it will depreciate in value as time wears on. Please go back and re-read my first post. I said quiet clearly that it will go up in value. The fact it has value, and considerable value at that, makes the whole statement of "It is, however, the most cost-effective PI ship available" complete rubbish. Also, you seem to not understand the whole opportunity cost of not liquidating it thing. Would you like an example of how it works?
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:25:00 - [88] All of the free ships we've gotten are basically rookie ship for whatever. The zephyr is a rookie exploration ship. The primae is a rookie PI ship. It is free and its to give the newbies a ship to try out stuff they have never considered with zero risk. CCP will NEVER give out free stuff that is even comparable to the ships that people use for it at the moment. Just because the zephyr arguably has some uses (it is not 'very useful in its role') the only realistic thing to do in it is go sightseeing in WH space. Thats not exactly mind blowing. The primae is pretty and I like it. As for usefulness, its supposed to be on a par with a rookieship, but with a PI focus. Thats it. Or should rookie ships be totally changed ?Because in like 3 days you can fly a rifter thats totally awesome, and no-one would fly an ibis because a rifter is SO much better.... That kind of rationale is bull****. Don't you think it would be rather worse if CCP had given out FOR FREE, a ship that requires no SP, and at a stroke obsoleted every other ship for PI ? So all that training time is suddenly totally pointless because any 1 day noob can do the same as you... Think of the consequences of what you are asking for, then ask yourself if it makes more sense.
Packrat Kuru	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:04:00 - [89] Even rookie ships get bonuses. Some rudimentary bonuses to the pi cargo would make it loads better. Not saying I don't love it. I'm floating in wormspace right now in a pos bubble cause I like it that much. It's just a missed opportunity in my opinion.
Larsonist Darkwave Technologies Blade.	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:25:00 - [90] Hi. To all those primae is useless peeps, contract your ship to me for 5 mil a pop and I'll take this useless ship off your hands. Larsonist > i still enjoyed the pew pew though, all the pos sh!t ive been doing lately had me feeling like smeagle without his precious.

NoFlint 42	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:13:00 - [91] Originally by: Larsonist Hi. To all those primae is useless peeps, contract your ship to me for 5 mil a pop and I'll take this useless ship off your hands. YOUR ON! Will contact you next time I'm in game.....
Mrs LubaLuba	Posted - 2010.06.30 23:27:00 - [92] A free item and you all moan Well for a ship thats free i like the design of it. Oh did i forget to mention?...... THE SHIP IS FREE! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!!!!!!
N Ano Caldari Onyx Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.06.30 23:42:00 - [93] Originally by: Benco97 Personally I love the little guy! Thanks much CCP. +1 ECM, Eves little genital warts.
Nicoli Gallente ARK-CORP Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:14:00 - [94] All I have to say is: Thanks for the >>>FREE<<< ship. I make use of it while I'm fine tuning my PI colonies, then file it away with the rest of my other ships that can't be produced. I now have a one of a kind industrial ship that will never be made ever again. The way I think of it, it's a collectors item that is themed for the current expansion. Be it a prototype or just a trinket I always welcome a new ship to my fleet. However I do hope that it will lead to a new industrial ship class with a similar role in mind in the future.
Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:59:00 - [95] The time spent imputing its attributes into the game could have been spent fixing rockets. Which actually would be useful. ------------------ Fix Rockets.
Ankanos Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.07.01 04:40:00 - [96] eeesh....and people wonder why the planet tries to shake half us fleas off it five times a cycle... some random points: It's cool, It has function -albeit limited (can be handy for a lazy PI alt with no indy skills) It's a collectors item (10mil+ WTB's have already surfaced on contract system) Is Mostly Likely serving double duty as an idea-vetting-test-bed for a future, full blown ORE-gasmic PI ship in the pipeline. -based in part, on player suggestions in threads like these..(even from the ungrateful SOB's with zero imagination) Allows one to identify the most ungrateful sour grapes SOB's on the server..which in turn, makes you smile that much more when you pod them. Lastly, -of course, it's free. - -After 6+ years of playing Eve Online, I still* see CCP as the model for which all other Companies would be fools not to follow, -in any industry. In this day and age, it is rare to find an entity such as CCP that has not thrown both, it's clients and employees to the wolves in pursuit of power, control, "pie in the sky profits," -and flat out global conquest at any cost. Eve-Online is and always will be, a living, breathing Art-Form unto itself. Appreciate the vision and "escape to alternate realities" that the CCP Team has always worked very hard to provide us over the years. For as it has always been in the Space of New Eden, -not all, is as it seems.. Many thanks CCP, -ankanos --- Resonance is the key
Zelphinine	Posted - 2010.07.01 07:58:00 - [97] Edited by: Zelphinine on 01/07/2010 07:58:56 Originally by: Ankanos Lastly, -of course, it's free. No it's not. You pay CCP 15 bucks a month. They could have spent artist time, dev time and testing time on something that would materially add to the game. The Primae is not 'free' by any means. It's a damn cool model and it's totally wasted on a nearly useless piece of art. They could have unveiled a Sansha's Nation Dreadnought to tie in with the current metaplot. Or just made the Primae Mk II and spawn BPOs.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:18:00 - [98] The art department got screwed over by the game design department. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
Geralden	Posted - 2010.07.01 11:24:00 - [99] To all the people claiming it's free... So what ? It's a gift that everyone thought that we would like, then it turned out to be WORTHLESS and USELESS. I would rather have NOTHING than a waste of hangar space and a compleate waste of art/dev. time spent on a crap ship. Before you claim its free again... even the cov ops frig we got was usefull, since sleepers wont attack it. It has a purpuse and has it's limited niche. This ship has nothing than a FREE (if you run tuturials) industrial ship has. Its heavyer, cant fit cloak or cargo expanders (since they wont encrease the size of the PI bay's its pointless) To sum it up - why waste the time and efford to make this crap - when a badger 1 is 100000 times more usefull for PI ?
Dodgy Past Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.07.01 11:57:00 - [100] Ninja yourself into NPC 0.0 space in a frig on a PI alt, then redeem the ship and sell your products to the market there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.

Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:06:00 - [101] I like - actually I love - the design of the ship model. ORE ships have this very distinct look to them and I'm glad we have been given this opportunity to see this look expressed in an exciting new form. However, I can't help but feel the Primae could've been given slightly more functional capabilities to match the aesthetic ones - without compromising game balance. I am optimistic though, as when I read the introductory blog I was given the impression that this ship will be player produced at a later date - or so I hope. If that is the case then "ORE" has time to optimize the Primae before widescale release. If that isn't the case then so be it, though. The Primae is, at least, nice to look at.
Jugger Takashi People with Guns Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.07.01 17:33:00 - [102] Im poasting in a "BUUUHUUU I WAS NOT GIVEN A PWNMOBILE :(" thread. Thank god I am not the father of people who whines large tech2 tears about a free gift not beeing good enough.
Solra Wolfe GunStars	Posted - 2010.07.01 20:01:00 - [103] Edited by: Solra Wolfe on 01/07/2010 20:02:51 I agree with others in that every ship should have some useful purpose. The Apotheosis works as "cool looking" shuttle, and that's exactly what I use it for. The Zephyr has it's purpose in exploring wormholes, but the Primae is absolutely useless. Why waste art developer time to create something that no one will use? It's time that could have been better used for something else in my opinion. If a ship does not serve a useful purpose, even if it's free... it's a waste of developer time. End of story. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [GNSTR] GO CANADA!
Brego Tralowski Gallente How cool stuff works	Posted - 2010.07.02 05:04:00 - [104] When will ORE be seeding that new completely dedicated Salvage ship ? ----------------------------------------------- Fly safe, but not too safe!
Tumoroh	Posted - 2010.07.02 17:55:00 - [105] As others have said this ship / hull would be an excelent starting point for a T3 industrial. Base ship is free (no reason to overheat a salvager/cargobay or mining laser) so bonus per skill level is moot. Then you train up Ore "X" systems for it's subsystem slots. Slap it up on the market with the addition of subsystem slots. Add skill books for the use of these subsystems and blue prints for the creation of them.
Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:36:00 - [106] Hey, CCP just gave me 5 free days on my accounts which had been inactive for 6 months, AND this cool new ship. Why do people have the gall to gripe about free stuff? Thanks CCP, and I'm probably gonna resubscribe on at least 2 of my subs now. I love this game, and it's developers! Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Grizzim Dubstep Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.10 22:37:00 - [107] If it had a high slot, I would undock it.
Aus Nova hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.11 02:15:00 - [108] Originally by: Magnus Orin Hey, CCP just gave me 5 free days on my accounts which had been inactive for 6 months, AND this cool new ship. Why do people have the gall to gripe about free stuff? Thanks CCP, and I'm probably gonna resubscribe on at least 2 of my subs now. I love this game, and it's developers! agreed. quit yur *****in' ppl, it's a free ship, if you don't want it, sell it, if you find it useless, don't use it.
n0thing Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.07.11 11:55:00 - [109] I say, thats the only ORE ship I have, since Im combat focused, but well its kinda refreshing flying it for some PI. Like it was said on the first pages, its a free gift from ORE for PI duties. Doesnt have to be top-of-line. Moreover storyline tells the ship wasnt even built for that purpose, it was a salvager that was repurposed. ---
RavenTesio Caldari Liandri Corporation	Posted - 2010.07.12 17:15:00 - [110] Although I'm aware the ship is free and that you didn't want to devalue anyone owning an industrial ship; while allowing everyone new and old users to use the Primae, I think that there is a very strong concensus that everyone REALLY likes the look of the Primae. Honestly I can't blame them, it is beauty to look at in-game and having exported it using TriExporter it is just as gorgeous "under the hood" so to speak. Absolutely beautiful modeling and material job. Still I have a suggestion that I think everyone might like. How about the Primae we all currently have, which let's be honest has it's uses for those who just want to to tinker with Planetry Interaction and strip it down. Make it look like ORE have properly repurposed the hull by stripping out the main cargo leaving sort of scaffolding in the center with the sides looking like they're where you store your planetry commodities and equippment. This would justify the size and keep it looking nice, but then release the Primae we currently have still with a focus on being a "Planetry Interaction" so keeping the seperate holds; but increase the main hold, give it some mining, salvaging and industrial bonus' as a ship for the general population via blueprints. I mean we have the Orca and Rorqual, both are very effective industrial and great as mining foremans; why not have the Primae (current model) used as a Sub-Captial variation of that ship. As such not requiring as many skills but trade off is not having anywhere near the same sorta capacity or specialisation.

Danny Lonnegan Caldari Nex Somes Ubertas Venator Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.12 23:26:00 - [111] There's a lot of ratters and mission-runners who'd wet their pants over a dedicated salvage boat, especially one as good-looking as the Primae. I find that more interesting than a dedicated PI boat, since I can't think of anything a PI boat could do that a hauler couldn't. Either way, though, count me among those who'd like to see the Primae model reused for something besides a hangar queen. Of course, a dedicated salvage boat would leave the poor destroyers even more neglected.


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