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Jasdemi
Caldari Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.07.01 15:16:00 -
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I can't sleep every night because I've lost so much SP.
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.01 15:17:00 -
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The way CCP could do it :
Total of SPs of the Character / Number of total months subscribed = Average SPs per month
After you look at the number of month the Character wasnt active and voila !
Ex : A Character has 30000000 SPs and played a total of 25 months = an average of 1200000 per month.
That Character stoped on and off for a total of 5 months, so :
5 x 1200000 = 6000000 of SPs he can buy.
5 x 14.95$ = 74.75$ for the total.
A character could never exeed the maximum possible of SP he could have, related to the number of years/months he/she exist.
And even with a new influx of SP, the Character will need ISK to buy skills and stuff, so that will still be advantagous to players who are active.
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Thedirtypaw
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.01 15:42:00 -
[33]
he is :french:
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noFace noLIfe
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:23:00 -
[34]
Good idea.
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:50:00 -
[35]
I do not fear anybody who uses this facility, nor anybody who fears this facility.
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Syekuda
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:17:00 -
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If poeple stopped playing then no, this idea is not supported. They quit the game, they know whats happening to their skill points.
I will only support this option if one person payed for an account and in that time, if he lost SP because of x reason like a patch, bad schedule or so then yes.
For the new guys: we didnt have any skill queue so we had to fix our work (or school) schedule for Eve's skill system.
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Rhok Relztem
Caldari
CGMA Synergist Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rhok Relztem on 01/07/2010 17:45:28
Absolutely NOT.
If you quit playing, that is your perogative, but don't expect to jump back in and buy your way back to an even footing with those who stay. If you plan on playing again in the future, keep your skills training - that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. I took a break for about three months but I set up my queue to train as long as possible (mostly learning skills) and logged-in periodically to keep it full. When I came back, I lost nothing except the ISK earnings (which you CAN buy back by selling GTCs in the forum, which I did  ) and I actually got a jump on the game by having my learning skills all but maxxed-out.
An unequivical NOT SUPPORTED.
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.01 18:14:00 -
[38]
 Originally by: Rhok Relztem
Edited by: Rhok Relztem on 01/07/2010 17:45:28
Absolutely NOT.
If you quit playing, that is your perogative, but don't expect to jump back in and buy your way back to an even footing with those who stay. If you plan on playing again in the future, keep your skills training - that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. I took a break for about three months but I set up my queue to train as long as possible (mostly learning skills) and logged-in periodically to keep it full. When I came back, I lost nothing except the ISK earnings (which you CAN buy back by selling GTCs in the forum, which I did ) and I actually got a jump on the game by having my learning skills all but maxxed-out.
An unequivical NOT SUPPORTED.
I totaly agree with you, this is the way to go about it normaly, you just train your skills and dont realy play.
But sometimes, players simply DONT have the choice of continuing to pay per month and need to stop. (For whatever reasons.)
That's why my proposition is a good idea, to help those who didnt have a choice in quitting and now can reactify that situation.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.01 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Poje
Originally by: Rhok Relztem
Edited by: Rhok Relztem on 01/07/2010 17:45:28
Absolutely NOT.
If you quit playing, that is your perogative, but don't expect to jump back in and buy your way back to an even footing with those who stay. If you plan on playing again in the future, keep your skills training - that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. I took a break for about three months but I set up my queue to train as long as possible (mostly learning skills) and logged-in periodically to keep it full. When I came back, I lost nothing except the ISK earnings (which you CAN buy back by selling GTCs in the forum, which I did ) and I actually got a jump on the game by having my learning skills all but maxxed-out.
An unequivical NOT SUPPORTED.
I totaly agree with you, this is the way to go about it normaly, you just train your skills and dont realy play.
But sometimes, players simply DONT have the choice of continuing to pay per month and need to stop. (For whatever reasons.)
That's why my proposition is a good idea, to help those who didnt have a choice in quitting and now can reactify that situation.
And how are CCP supposed to decide who is deserving and who is not?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.07.01 19:52:00 -
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My mate Dave is extremely pleased that you're all terrified of the account he abandoned three years ago because "If I wanted to play a game with that many bugs in it, I'd play one I wrote", he says that if CCP woke up in the morning suddenly deserving of over 500 dollars, and he had 500 dollars he didn't even need anymore, he would love to insta spawn a titan pilot that has no titan or prospect of getting one just to scare you all with, because it would be oh so very very scarey.... oooooo... like a big scarey ghost with a white sheet over it's head going "wooooooooo".
Personally I don't think my mate Dave is very funny.
Also, this proposal would be awesome because the bitter vet's could all sell their old spying trial accounts on ebay for like $20 each instead of having to actually build characters and sell them on ebay. Not that I know anybody who does that or anything like that.
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.01 21:25:00 -
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They could put a cap of 1 year worth of SPs you can buy back.
That way, very old accounts wouldnt have that exploitable aspect.
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.02 11:32:00 -
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It could even be bought with ISK too.
For those who like to do it like that. 
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159Hunter
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Posted - 2010.07.02 11:42:00 -
[43]
No, play = gain SP -- don't play = don't gain SP
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.02 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: 159Hunter
No, play = gain SP -- don't play = don't gain SP
lol, are you playing EVE or WoW ?
In EVE u can have SP and don't play at all, its called training an alt to sell it.
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Mhyr
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Posted - 2010.07.02 13:03:00 -
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supported
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 13:03:00 -
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While I support a way that enables new players to somehow compete with old ones, microtransactions and total "reimbursement" for time you havent actually played EVE are not the way to go imo.
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noFace noLIfe
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darveses
While I support a way that enables new players to somehow compete with old ones, microtransactions and total "reimbursement" for time you havent actually played EVE are not the way to go imo.
If you mean by "play" log in to train your skills and log off, that would be exactly the same thing that he's proposing. If you log in only for SP, who cares if you can buy back game time you didnt use ?
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.02 18:23:00 -
[48]
Exactly. 
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Clovermite
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Posted - 2010.07.02 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Clovermite on 02/07/2010 19:07:14
I think it is a great idea.
I don't really see how there is room for exploit - you aren't buying extra SP, just bringing your character back up to speed.
As others have already pointed out- you don't get Sps in return for playing the game. Rather, you receive SPs for the amount of licensed (ie paid for) time has passed since your character's creation.
And, as others have also pointed out, you already have the option of buying a pre-skilled character from someone else. The only difference is that you'd be paying for the character that YOU put time into.
On a "respect for diversity" note, it allows anyone who's run into financial hardship for a couple months to jump back into the game without being penalized.
I can't think of any downsides to this, so I'd be interested to see if anybody can think of any legitimate ones.
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Tacolina
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Posted - 2010.07.02 21:45:00 -
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Thumbs down
Quote:
But sometimes, players simply DONT have the choice of continuing to pay per month and need to stop. (For whatever reasons.)
Character logs in, skills up to whatever he feels at a whim, cancels subscription, comes back 6 months later. Repeat process. So basically all you've proposed is incredibly convenient character farming. Absolutely no.
Losing training cause you couldn't pay for a period of time is also not sufficient enough a reason. You weren't out flying and you weren't hold up in some station. In short you were not involved with the eve universe and deserve no skillpoints. Infact the only reasons I can think of besides downtimes that would be acceptable for sp allowances would be if you verifiably got hacked or banned from the game later to be found innocent. Those are the only two reasons. If you want easy leveling go play something else.
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.02 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Poje on 02/07/2010 22:52:16
Edited by: Poje on 02/07/2010 22:51:01
Originally by: Tacolina
Thumbs down
Quote:
But sometimes, players simply DONT have the choice of continuing to pay per month and need to stop. (For whatever reasons.)
Character logs in, skills up to whatever he feels at a whim, cancels subscription, comes back 6 months later. Repeat process. So basically all you've proposed is incredibly convenient character farming. Absolutely no.
Losing training cause you couldn't pay for a period of time is also not sufficient enough a reason. You weren't out flying and you weren't hold up in some station. In short you were not involved with the eve universe and deserve no skillpoints. Infact the only reasons I can think of besides downtimes that would be acceptable for sp allowances would be if you verifiably got hacked or banned from the game later to be found innocent. Those are the only two reasons. If you want easy leveling go play something else.
What is the difference between paying per month for an account, train alts and sell them, or paying the equivalent number of months after and have the same amount of SP ?
If you properly read all that has been said, you'll see that no valuable reasons have come up to counter my idea.
And btw, EVE is unique in that way, the only game you can evolve and be offline. Thats why this is possible.
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.03 15:49:00 -
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One of my friends plays since 2003 and is still in a nOOb Corp. 
He calls the game EVE Offline, because of course of the unique way you can train in EVE and because he plays about 10% of the time, the rest of the 90% of the time he's offline, gaining SPs.
EVE is unique and what i propose is directly in the line of what it has as features already.
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Domonique Molvoy
Exploitation Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 04:34:00 -
[53]
Absolutely not.
Domonique Molvoy
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:29:00 -
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Having to wait for skills is probably one of the most important features keeping customer retention rates up - this will seriously hurt eve, especially people that have been loyal customers and supported eve will hate it. Also many people will gain an unfair advantage when game mechanics are changed and they are first in line to abuse it. Also it is impossible to calculate "training loss" because skill training rates vary a lot (less than 450 sp/h to 2772 sp/h), which makes things even more complicated.
I really hate this idea, and I'm certainly not alone. You should use a different subforum for your idea, you will hardly find a majority that supports this, which is fundamental for CSM issues.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.07.04 15:57:00 -
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It's just a less convenient variant on buying skills for $$$.
Thumbs down.
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:50:00 -
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"If you properly read all that has been said, you'll see that no valuable reasons have come up to counter my idea."
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Spades Slick
Caldari
Rookies Academy Elite
The Compass
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Poje
"If you properly read all that has been said, you'll see that no valuable reasons have come up to counter my idea."
I can't help but read that sentence as "I'm right, and I refuse to acknowledge or address any opposition as warrants a proper debate."
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.04 19:19:00 -
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Supported. I don't really see how it would imbalance the game.
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Poje
Gallente
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: James Tritanius
Supported. I don't really see how it would imbalance the game.
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CommanderData211
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:58:00 -
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You want a valid rebut to your assinine idea? Here goes.
You know how every account in EVE has three slots to create three seperate and unique characters? Well guess what, neither EVE nor CCP have any clue which is your main and which is your alt. So the idea you are proposing is that any alt characters on a single account would be applicable for this instant SP. I have an alt that was created years ago and have barely trained anything at all on him. But who (except for me) is to say if he is my main or not?
To further crush your troll, there is a mechanism in place already where you can spend money to get SP. Not sure if you realized this but you can buy a character from another player who wants to sell one. You can do this with ISK which incidentally can be bought for real money.
Buying a character that has been validly trained is fine. Implanting SP onto an inactive character that was arbitrarily created at a time in the distant past is game breaking. It would affect so much more than just the character receiving the SP. If you can't see that, than you are beyond reasoning with.
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