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Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.02 16:42:00 - [61] Originally by: CeneUJiti Most flown ship on TQ, also you couldn't watch the alliance tournament without seeing 3 Drakes in one of teams. If those aren't indicators that ship is way too good and should be nefed than nothing is. You're right, nothing is. ------------------ Fix Rockets.
Dodgy Past Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.07.02 17:44:00 - [62] Huge arse sig means they die very rapidly to BS. Also when you force a gang to retreat it always seems to be a poor lonely drake that gets left behind to die. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.02 17:54:00 - [63] Yes, they should nerf the Drake's tank by trading that overpowered resist bonus for a 5% ROF bonus.... -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Quafe Industries	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:00:00 - [64] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 02/07/2010 18:00:41 Confirmed that the drake has the same buffer size as any other PvP buffered BC. Originally by: Liang Nuren Yes, they should nerf the Drake's tank by trading that overpowered resist bonus for a 5% ROF bonus.... -Liang Oh my god. Do want.
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:04:00 - [65] Can someone post these super Drake fits that obsolete all other ships ?
Mopsy Six	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:05:00 - [66] The only people that complain about Drakes nowdays are our lovely PvP uneducates in the AT studio. You're obviously getting your knowledge about this game from the worse source i could think of.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:09:00 - [67] Originally by: Rastigan Can someone post these super Drake fits that obsolete all other ships ? The HAM Drake is pretty pimp for a close range PVP BC. The armor tanked BCs can rival it, but they require significantly more pimping. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Dale Konstantine	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:02:00 - [68] Drakes were nerfed a long time ago, when they could get near stupid amounts of passive shield regen, and they needed that nerf. Now a drake can choose between fitting a massive tank, close dps with some tank and turtle max speed, or close dps, web, point and mwd. (Or some tank and gang boosting fit, though who would bother with that ) Now if I could toss on a rig that traded the 5% shield resists for choice of 5% RoF/velocity/damage...
Solid Prefekt Haven Front	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:03:00 - [69] Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing I see your drake swarm and raise you afterburner armor hacs. Cut's through drakes like a knife through butter. And -A- fleets twice the size of our fleet with 18 guardians to our 6 I can confirm that AB Armor HACs (aka Zealots) will pulverize a similar Sized drake gang. The resists of a standard drake is in the 60s-70s. For a standard AB zealot it is high 80s-90s with no weak spots in dmg type.
thisisuseful	Posted - 2010.07.03 01:40:00 - [70] Swap the shield resist bonus for another ROF/damage bonus.
Marcus Alkhaar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.07.03 06:11:00 - [71] Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 03/07/2010 06:11:39 [Drake, Drake ] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Faint Warp Disruptor I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 618 DPS (kinetic) 514 DPS (Other) 80k EHP (No boni) 87,4k EHP (Gang) 99.3k EHP (Gang + Overload) You can swap web + disruptor to Scram + ECM if you know what you're fighting, but web + disruptor is better for catching stuff
Sigras	Posted - 2010.07.03 07:08:00 - [72] Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 03/07/2010 06:11:39 [Drake, Drake ] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Faint Warp Disruptor I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 618 DPS (kinetic) 514 DPS (Other) 80k EHP (No boni) 87,4k EHP (Gang) 99.3k EHP (Gang + Overload) You can swap web + disruptor to Scram + ECM if you know what you're fighting, but web + disruptor is better for catching stuff Confirming that this buffer setup has 1. more EHP speed and damage than a buffer Harbinger 2. more EHP than an armor buffer Hurricane 3. tackle unlike a shield buffer Hurricane 4. tackle unlike a shield buffer Myrmidon 5. More EHP damage and speed than the armor buffer Myrmidon any more questions?
Jintra Jin'tak Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2010.07.03 07:08:00 - [73] Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing I see your drake swarm and raise you afterburner armor hacs. Cut's through drakes like a knife through butter. And -A- fleets twice the size of our fleet with 18 guardians to our 6 Confirming Drakes and Guardians go well together.
Ap0ll0n Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.03 08:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Sigras Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 03/07/2010 06:11:39 [Drake, Drake ] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Faint Warp Disruptor I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 618 DPS (kinetic) 514 DPS (Other) 80k EHP (No boni) 87,4k EHP (Gang) 99.3k EHP (Gang + Overload) You can swap web + disruptor to Scram + ECM if you know what you're fighting, but web + disruptor is better for catching stuff Confirming that this buffer setup has 1. more EHP speed and damage than a buffer Harbinger 2. more EHP than an armor buffer Hurricane 3. tackle unlike a shield buffer Hurricane 4. tackle unlike a shield buffer Myrmidon 5. More EHP damage and speed than the armor buffer Myrmidon any more questions? My shield harbinger would **** this.. Just saying..
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.03 08:51:00 - [75] Originally by: Ap0ll0n My shield harbinger would ** this.. Just saying.. Obviously the plan would be to keep it at range.... but how do you plan to avoid Javs? If you stay at that much range, how do you plan to keep it tackled? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.07.03 09:27:00 - [76] This thread is like some horrible refugee from 2007. Don't get all damp about ABing HACs either, all that AB does is mean that you need a single extra web to be applied for the HAC to receive full HM damage, which is hardly a challenge for a bunch of non-******-fit Drakes.
Tub Chil	Posted - 2010.07.03 11:25:00 - [77] Originally by: CeneUJiti Most flown ship on TQ, also you couldn't watch the alliance tournament without seeing 3 Drakes in one of teams. If those aren't indicators that ship is way too good and should be nefed than nothing is. If something is good we should make it bad? until every ship is crap? what's the logic behind it? drake is almost exclusive caldari ship that does not suck , is it too much?
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.03 11:32:00 - [78] Originally by: Liang Nuren Yes, they should nerf the Drake's tank by trading that overpowered resist bonus for a 5% ROF bonus.... -Liang That, perhaps, is the best nerfing of the drake ever. /supports -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.07.03 11:44:00 - [79] Originally by: Gypsio III This thread is like some horrible refugee from 2007. Don't get all damp about ABing HACs either, all that AB does is mean that you need a single extra web to be applied for the HAC to receive full HM damage, which is hardly a challenge for a bunch of non-******-fit Drakes. I think you misunderstand the missile formula, and you expect your enemies not to have any command ship with Speed/SigRadius ganglink...
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.07.03 12:41:00 - [80] Edited by: Gypsio III on 03/07/2010 12:42:07 Originally by: Alsyth Originally by: Gypsio III This thread is like some horrible refugee from 2007. Don't get all damp about ABing HACs either, all that AB does is mean that you need a single extra web to be applied for the HAC to receive full HM damage, which is hardly a challenge for a bunch of non-******-fit Drakes. I think you misunderstand the missile formula, and you expect your enemies not to have any command ship with Speed/SigRadius ganglink... You're right, I don't expect them to have a command ship. I expect them to have a Loki.
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.07.03 16:29:00 - [81] drake nerf: change the resist bonus to a missile damage bonus
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.07.03 16:43:00 - [82] Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 03/07/2010 13:04:22 Originally by: Alsyth Originally by: Gypsio III This thread is like some horrible refugee from 2007. Don't get all damp about ABing HACs either, all that AB does is mean that you need a single extra web to be applied for the HAC to receive full HM damage, which is hardly a challenge for a bunch of non-******-fit Drakes. I think you misunderstand the missile formula, and you expect your enemies not to have any command ship with Speed/SigRadius ganglink... You're right, I don't expect them to have a command ship. I expect them to have a Loki. Yes, with a maxed Loki, a Zealot's sig is less than the explosion radius of a HM. Sig 89.8 m, explorad 93.8 m. 95.8% damage applied. Woo. Adding standard X-Instinct takes that to 88.6%, but this is hardly decisive. And if we're bringing boosters into it, then Crash takes it straight back up to 100%. This all assume dual webs on the Zealot btw, hence the comment about "a single extra web". You still seem not to understand the missile formula. A webbed AB Zealot still does 230 m/s. If not webbed it's +/- 550.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2010.07.03 17:20:00 - [83] Originally by: Alsyth Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 03/07/2010 13:04:22 Originally by: Alsyth Originally by: Gypsio III This thread is like some horrible refugee from 2007. Don't get all damp about ABing HACs either, all that AB does is mean that you need a single extra web to be applied for the HAC to receive full HM damage, which is hardly a challenge for a bunch of non-*****-fit Drakes. I think you misunderstand the missile formula, and you expect your enemies not to have any command ship with Speed/SigRadius ganglink... You're right, I don't expect them to have a command ship. I expect them to have a Loki. Yes, with a maxed Loki, a Zealot's sig is less than the explosion radius of a HM. Sig 89.8 m, explorad 93.8 m. 95.8% damage applied. Woo. Adding standard X-Instinct takes that to 88.6%, but this is hardly decisive. And if we're bringing boosters into it, then Crash takes it straight back up to 100%. This all assume dual webs on the Zealot btw, hence the comment about "a single extra web". You still seem not to understand the missile formula. A webbed AB Zealot still does 230 m/s. If not webbed it's +/- 550. Are you sure you* know it?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.03 18:05:00 - [84] Originally by: Sigras Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 03/07/2010 06:11:39 [Drake, Drake ] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Faint Warp Disruptor I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 618 DPS (kinetic) 514 DPS (Other) 80k EHP (No boni) 87,4k EHP (Gang) 99.3k EHP (Gang + Overload) You can swap web + disruptor to Scram + ECM if you know what you're fighting, but web + disruptor is better for catching stuff Confirming that this buffer setup has 1. more EHP speed and damage than a buffer Harbinger 2. more EHP than an armor buffer Hurricane 3. tackle unlike a shield buffer Hurricane 4. tackle unlike a shield buffer Myrmidon 5. More EHP damage and speed than the armor buffer Myrmidon any more questions? Confirming that this fit needs all level 5 skills and an implant just to run it. This is clearly a signature.
Deva Blackfire LOST IDEA C0VEN	Posted - 2010.07.03 18:11:00 - [85] Oh noes, not the 3% grid implant! My 20mil ISK backbone.
the waywatcher	Posted - 2010.07.03 18:19:00 - [86] drakes are fine as they are its my favourite target
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.03 18:53:00 - [87] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Oh noes, not the 3% grid implant! My 20mil ISK backbone. Point being that another BC with all 5's + a 3% implant is as effective as the drake in question. This is clearly a signature.
Deva Blackfire LOST IDEA C0VEN	Posted - 2010.07.03 19:14:00 - [88] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 03/07/2010 19:14:29 Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Deva Blackfire Oh noes, not the 3% grid implant! My 20mil ISK backbone. Point being that another BC with all 5's + a 3% implant is as effective as the drake in question. Which one is that? And if you REALLY are so *****y about 3% implant change 1x HAM to 1x heavy launcher. Still fits, still best BC out there v0v
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.03 19:19:00 - [89] Originally by: Cipher Jones Point being that another BC with all 5's + a 3% implant is as effective as the drake in question. It requires Electronics 5, Engineering 5, AWU5, and Shield Upgrades 5.... that's hardly "all 5s". -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.03 19:26:00 - [90] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 03/07/2010 19:14:29 Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Deva Blackfire Oh noes, not the 3% grid implant! My 20mil ISK backbone. Point being that another BC with all 5's + a 3% implant is as effective as the drake in question. Which one is that? And if you REALLY are so ***y about 3% implant change 1x HAM to 1x heavy launcher. Still fits, still best BC out there v0v ***y indeed. This is clearly a signature.

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