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Trauli
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Posted - 2010.07.04 04:42:00 -
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My guess is macro miners are just one tip of the iceberg due to being easy to identify and exploiting in every facet of the game is much more common than we collectively think.
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Domonique Molvoy
Exploitation Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 04:47:00 -
[62]
Oh Dear.
Domonique Molvoy
Shiptoasting extraordinaire |
Opus Dai
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:01:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Trauli
My guess is macro miners are just one tip of the iceberg due to being easy to identify and exploiting in every facet of the game is much more common than we collectively think.
Precisely.
Blatant exploits like the chat spammers on a set route travelling around and around empire then CCP will act on them...well...allow us to automatically petition them while blocking them at the same time. Anything else travels safely under the radar if there's plausible deniability. A chat spammer is fine in Jita as not many would notice and there's the element of deniability. I think it was Chribba who once sat an alt in Jita for a day and ran the resulting chatlog file through an interpreter to generate some interesting 'inhuman' facts about the most prolific speakers.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ascendic on 04/07/2010 05:03:41
Posting in epic threadnaught that will make or break CCP, potentially leading to a scandal investigation which flushes out the corruption within CCP. News stations all over the world will post news of the corruption of the online gaming company and CCP will inevitably implode.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:11:00 -
[65]
Karma is a *****
The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:29:00 -
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While stuff like automatically mining/adjusting market orders/mission running and autopiloting to zero will always be possible (or even trivial, i just looked up how you can inject custom code in the eve client via google in no time), it should definitely be possible to blur the scan results on the server - so this could definitely be fixed.
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Baneken
Gallente
Aseveljet
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:38:00 -
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Tome that client looks very much like an "ingame GM-tool" with all the bells and whistles.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Verrenici
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Genya Arikaido
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
it is obviously a dev/gm client
Which is all too easily created from the normal client...as all of the UI widgets and functions are there, simply disabled for normal clients.
Funny, that. You would think you could whip up some proof of concept, seeing as it's oh so simple, and you're all quite the 'Python experts'.
I'm not holding my ****ing breath.
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Verrenici
Funny, that. You would think you could whip up some proof of concept, seeing as it's oh so simple, and you're all quite the 'Python experts'.
I'm not holding my ****ing breath.
Getting banned on all accounts in the process? Stupid idea.
Until CCP allows us to penetration test anything, only people with malicious intent will bother.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Qoi
Originally by: Verrenici
Funny, that. You would think you could whip up some proof of concept, seeing as it's oh so simple, and you're all quite the 'Python experts'.
I'm not holding my ****ing breath.
Getting banned on all accounts in the process? Stupid idea.
Until CCP allows us to penetration test anything, only people with malicious intent will bother.
Yeah, if only there were some sort of... extra server, designed for bug hunting and testing of game mechanics and such. And if it were named something similar to Tranquility, like... Mobility? Virility? Velocity? Singularity? Peculiarity? Hemispherectomy?
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Qoi
Originally by: Verrenici
Funny, that. You would think you could whip up some proof of concept, seeing as it's oh so simple, and you're all quite the 'Python experts'.
I'm not holding my ****ing breath.
Getting banned on all accounts in the process? Stupid idea.
Until CCP allows us to penetration test anything, only people with malicious intent will bother.
Yeah, if only there were some sort of... extra server, designed for bug hunting and testing of game mechanics and such. And if it were named something similar to Tranquility, like... Mobility? Virility? Velocity? Singularity? Peculiarity? Hemispherectomy?
Testing or not modifying the game code will result in a ban regardless.
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EvilSyKOSkitzo
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:34:00 -
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Wow,
Spent a few minutes doing a little more research into whats involved in doing Python injection and from what I have seen, anyone with a little know how can start tinkering.
And thats really made me think.
Chances are that there are at least a few other people out there. A lot more tight lipped then this guy, with more advanced builds.
I guess CCP can try to crack down on this sort of activity but with my understanding, unless they stop certain calls/requests flowing between the client and the server, EVE will always be exposed to some sort of injection.
I honestly think a better solution would be to create an interface API for EVE and let people create legitimate modifications to the client.
For example..
Custom built modifications in WOW have allowed Blizzard to remove many of the calls/requests/functions that made the game too automated (auto targetting players/npcs, etc). Spawned repositories of client mods, which allowed others access to the same sort of functionality powerusers had access too and gave the community greater oversight into what was happening.
There always will be exploits that people will take advantage off. I'd say, try leveling the field with an API and get the communities eyes onto certain aspects of the game that can be abused and have them flag it.
Anyways,
- Evil
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Qoi
Originally by: Verrenici
Funny, that. You would think you could whip up some proof of concept, seeing as it's oh so simple, and you're all quite the 'Python experts'.
I'm not holding my ****ing breath.
Getting banned on all accounts in the process? Stupid idea.
Until CCP allows us to penetration test anything, only people with malicious intent will bother.
Yeah, if only there were some sort of... extra server, designed for bug hunting and testing of game mechanics and such. And if it were named something similar to Tranquility, like... Mobility? Virility? Velocity? Singularity? Peculiarity? Hemispherectomy?
Maybe you should read the thread before you answer? This is a client code modification, not testing of game mechanics.
Ix Forres asked if we could do any kind of penetration testing on the Singularity Version of evegate. no response. There is a guy who detected several flaws in the client and reported them to CCP without abusing them. He is permabanned on singularity.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Julius Rigel on 04/07/2010 06:44:43
Originally by: Qoi
There is a guy who detected several flaws in the client and reported them to CCP without abusing them. He is permabanned on singularity.
Ah, I did not know that. 
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:45:00 -
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I guess CCP does not like being penetrated? 
They instead like to penetrate YOU and your WALLET for flawed game mechanics that still have gone unfixed for years...and a laggy broken server. 
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Cryptkiller
Minmatar
Ebola Allstars
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:49:00 -
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ITT: People playing a different game than the OP, and :rage:
Someone just won EVE; as usual dunno if I should congratulate or report him.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:58:00 -
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Relax guys.
CCP will give us walking in stations...
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:58:00 -
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I spent the last hour or so injecting my python into the Eve client but so far have been unable to confirm this is a hacked client.
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Memorya
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:09:00 -
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CCP wont care about this, they need to make MONEY ! 
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English is my 5th. Language.
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Zxays
Caldari
Echolon Four Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:10:00 -
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Looks like there's a volunteer going to get ****d by CCP...
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 04/07/2010 07:15:56
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
I spent the last hour or so injecting my python into the Eve client but so far have been unable to confirm this is a hacked client.
Yo dawg, I heard you like Python so I injected Python into your EVE so that you can Python while you EVE.
Also, IBTL, IBTDelete, IBTBan. Edit: IBTChribba and IBTAFKCloaker.
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Sma da'Marenhide
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cryptkiller
ITT: People playing a different game than the OP, and :rage:
Someone just won EVE; as usual dunno if I should congratulate or report him.
This
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Zxays
Caldari
Echolon Four Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:24:00 -
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OMG here's another one: autopilot.zip
Now we're all doomed...
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:28:00 -
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This almost makes me want to learn python.
Originally by: CCP Lemur
THIS IS GOD: ...
IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Zxays
Caldari
Echolon Four Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
This almost makes me want to learn python.
Have fun! Let me know when you found out that you aren't able to do this with uber python skills and realize that this is only doable with bug-hunter-, gm-, dev- or whatever-roles. Roles wich this one has been given but now for certain got revoked, because he definitly wasn't allowed to log on to tranquility in the first time.
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zxays
Have fun! Let me know when you found out that you aren't able to do this with uber python skills and realize that this is only doable with bug-hunter-, gm-, dev- or whatever-roles. Roles wich this one has been given but now for certain got revoked, because he definitly wasn't allowed to log on to tranquility in the first time.
Why would you give someone special roles on a server where he is not supposed to login?
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Zxays
Caldari
Echolon Four Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Qoi
Why would you give someone special roles on a server where he is not supposed to login?
Think about it. The server on which you're supposed to test things is Singularity (and Multiplicity). And because database of sisi is a copy Tranquility's you need to have the chars on Tranq aswell. Otherwise you would need to create a new char everytime Sisi gets an update.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:47:00 -
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Eh. I prefer languages that run on the metal. I figure this is probably some bug hunter client or GM trolling but on the off-chance it's not, some digging around in the eve code might be fun. I've always been more of a ROM data hacker though. RAM hacks and executable hacks aren't really my style. Might be worth a go to see what's under the hood.
Originally by: CCP Lemur
THIS IS GOD: ...
IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:55:00 -
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You know, type python injection into google and it actually suggests "eve online python injection" for you.
This must be a whole lot deeper than just that one video. 
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zxays
Think about it. The server on which you're supposed to test things is Singularity (and Multiplicity). And because database of sisi is a copy Tranquility's you need to have the chars on Tranq aswell. Otherwise you would need to create a new char everytime Sisi gets an update.
So you are saying, creating a completely different market and creating stations and beacons is easy to do, but giving characters special roles is not? Think about it.
I'm pretty sure Bughunters have rights on sisi which they don't have on tq.
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