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death klokk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.23 05:42:00 -
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Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name. |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.09.23 05:47:00 -
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Not gonna happen |
death klokk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 05:51:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Not gonna happen
please explain. |
Thorn Galen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:06:00 -
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No, NO!! NOOOOO!!!
A large part of the Eve experience - to me - is the involvement in training skills.
You start buying skill points then Eve becomes pointless,
You work hard, play hard and reap the rewards.
Being able to buy skillpoints would dilute all of that.
Totally stupid suggestion, Mr. Op, and this thread should go in to the "Totally Stupid Ideas" Thread posted under "Nihillum".
NO!
(This space for rent) |
Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew
Night Sky Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:09:00 -
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Sitting back and letting the game train skills isn't exactly hard work if you ask me.
Now learning the systems, why certain ships work better than others, what ammo to use, etc, etc, etc is hard work and wil reap rewards. |
death klokk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:11:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:No, NO!! NOOOOO!!!
A large part of the Eve experience - to me - is the involvement in training skills.
You start buying skill points then Eve becomes pointless,
You work hard, play hard and reap the rewards.
Being able to buy skillpoints would dilute all of that.
Totally stupid suggestion, Mr. Op, and this thread should go in to the "Totally Stupid Ideas" Thread posted under "Nihillum".
NO!
Do you realize how stupid you sound considering "character bazaar" and "timecode bazaar" ? The only difference with my proposal is being able to skill up my character as opposed to using someone else's leftovers. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
43
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:16:00 -
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No.
"Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one."
~Unknown |
Meryl SinGarda
Homeworld Republic
United Homeworlds
195
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:17:00 -
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Or how about this... Name change for aurum!
You buy a character off of the bazaar, find it's got a crappy name and a worse reputation. Give ISK/PLEX, bam, new name.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
As stated by a fellow player, Mara Rinn, "EVE is not an internet spaceships game. It's a game of politics, subterfuge, capitalism, empire building and trust."-á
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Thorn Galen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:17:00 -
[9] - Quote
Keep on trying to rationlise your desire, matters not to me.
However, if you were punting the ability to "buy" faction standings, then I'll back you 
(This space for rent) |
death klokk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:18:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Or how about this... Name change for aurum!
You buy a character off of the bazaar, find it's got a crappy name and a worse reputation. Give ISK/PLEX, bam, new name.
I would definitely go for this! |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
47
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:25:00 -
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Yeah. Let's do it without doing it. My mom's credit card is bottomless. I could be a genius! A GENIUS I SAY!!!
BWAAA HAAA HAAAA!!! BWAAA HAAAAA HAAAA!!!
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Kryss Darkdust
Darkdust Industries Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:03:00 -
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Quote:Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
Its unfortunate but you are probobly right about it. When it does, I'm out. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
114
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:13:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Or how about this... Name change for aurum!
You buy a character off of the bazaar, find it's got a crappy name and a worse reputation. Give ISK/PLEX, bam, new name.
They are discussing this internally and the Chinese server offers that service allready.
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TharOkha
0asis Group
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:20:00 -
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"After 5 years of astrophysics study i decided to change my diploma for biology diploma. just like that. take my astrophysic diploma and give me biology diploma. Without study, without skills."
in other words.. NO !!!!
SLOVAKIA |
Suneai
Space Tide Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:25:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Or how about this... Name change for aurum!
You buy a character off of the bazaar, find it's got a crappy name and a worse reputation. Give ISK/PLEX, bam, new name. As long as a history tab kept a record of previous names, I'd be up for this method. |
Samillian
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
5
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:31:00 -
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No.
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Dalmont Delantee
Shiloh Technologies
STR8NGE BREW
5
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:36:00 -
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Got to love retards who don't want to play the game the way it was designed and how everyone else does.
I know I'll just buy myself where I want to go....
Patience is a skill you need to learn in RL. |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow
Northern Coalition.
13
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:38:00 -
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Before i tell you gtfo lemme explain
with the character bazar you can choose from various characters non of them would be perfect, especially with the prices for them...
If you are able to by lets say 2 mil sp, this cuts down 1 month of training and you can distribute them how you want.
So... GTFO
------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:38:00 -
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Quote:
What is a troll?
The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.
Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).
Troll - Angler or Underbridge Dweller?
How can troll posts be recognised?
No Imagination - Most are frighteningly obvious; sexist comments on nurses' groups, blasphemy on religious groups .. I kid you not.
Pedantic in the Extreme - Many trolls' preparation is so thorough, that while they waste time, they appear so ludicrous from the start that they elicit sympathetic mail - the danger is that once the group takes sides, the damage is done.
False Identity - Because they are cowards, trolls virtually never write over their own name, and often reveal their trolliness (and lack of imagination) in the chosen ID. As so many folk these days use false ID, this is not a strong indicator on its own!
Crossposting - Any post that is crossposted to several groups should be viewed as suspicious, particularly if unrelated or of opposing perspective. Why would someone do that?
Off-topic posting - Often genuine errors, but, if from an 'outsider' they deserve matter-of-fact response; if genuine, a brief apposite response is simply netiquette; if it's a troll post, you have denied it its reward.
Repetition of a question or statement is either a troll - or a pedant; either way, treatment as a troll is effective.
Missing The Point - Trolls rarely answer a direct question - they cannot, if asked to justify their twaddle - so they develop a fine line in missing the point.
Thick or Sad - Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls - rigged to always say "above 150"
Where are you likely to find trolls?
Wherever they are tolerated - this means forums and networking sites that have loose or lazy moderation, and places like Usenet (newsgroups) where there may be no moderation at all.
Where trolls are successful is a slightly different issue - some forums allow members to set an 'ignore' function, so they just do not see troll posts, after the first one, and some specialist forums are tightly focussed so that troll posts stick out a mile and are ignored - it's larger, more general forums that have issues, as it only takes a couple of members to be drawn in for the whole forum to suffer. They also thrive on 'opinion' sites, such as politics and religion, where feelings often run high anyway. But, again, only if moderation is weak.
Usenet has a special problem, as moderation is impossible; for trolls to be controlled, requires committed members using their killfiles effectively, and avoiding accidental cross-posting - which is all too easy with many newsreading software setups.
Some career trolls have set up their forums to exchange notes. These rarely thrive, as most trolls are not team players, and they simply fight among themselves. in other cases, they become centers for cyberbullying (see stalking); while that's a sad development, it makes it easier to have the sites closed.
Who is at risk?
Any newsgroup, bulletin board, forum or chatroom can attract trolls, but they don't have the brains to attack nuclear physicists, and they are drawn to the quick response where sex, religion and race are found; so politics is easy prey.
One troll famously tried to infiltrate a mensa group; the results read like 100 trolls and one regular, it didn't have a chance - but it was stupid enough to persist until removed.
When Should You Be Concerned?
Usually, no, though fractured funny bones and occasional waves of nausea have been reported.
When a troll become persistent and personal, you may need to consider the possibility that it has fermented into an Internet Stalker - equally pathetic, if not more so - but sometimes requiring weedkiller.
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Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
53
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:48:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:You work hard, play hard and reap the rewards.
Being able to buy skillpoints would dilute all of that.!
staying subscribed for a few years = working hard?
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mkint
38
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:50:00 -
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Ooooh... just figured out a name for Hilmar's next private jet! "Hilmar's Greed"!
You all know that $->SP will be implemented sooner or later... if EVE is going to be sacrificed on the altar to Hilmar's Greed, I'd like to have it done and over with, rather than the slow painful death of gradual neglect that we have been seeing.
edit: if you couldn't tell by my post, I'm against $->SP but I'm even more against bad soap operas such as the one the development of EVE has turned into. |
non judgement
Evolved from the Wreck
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:51:00 -
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death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
The second you do this. People who have trained for 3+ years will be like "all that training/time I did is now meaningless."
Someone else can join tomorrow and if they have the money, suddenly they can have all the skills I do.
Some people worked hard to get the isk to buy those skills and the time it took to train all of them.
Suddenly its almost as if it means nothing.
If lots of people got angry after this. I would totally understand.
Changing your name is a bit lame. I think there would be a lot of ways this could be abused. |
Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:53:00 -
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Never gonna happen.
That would kill the game in less than a year,
because nobody needed to play the game anymore.
What i mean is, when you buy your SP,
there is no time left to explore the game from the ground up.
People will just do what they believe they want to do,
will ignore pretty much the rest and leave when they are bored of it.
The instant-gratification-generation ...
... no clue about how bad their life really is ...
... because they never knew better.
This is no game for you.
This game is for people who realize,
New Eden is a huge world of possibilites to explore.
It's not "Enter -> fun".
It's "Enter -> work".
But there's plenty of fun to be had with that approach.
It's rewarding! That's something you i.g.'s never really will understand, (maybe you will. i wish you luck.)
because your kind of "reward" is faked. Too easy to obtain.
Made by people who know how it works,
to make sure you stick in the game.
They feed you a bit ... and another bit ... and another one ...
... just that you stick to them. They never dare making a game too hard,
because you could be pissed and leave instead of finding it CHALLENGING !
Like, even modern computer games are way too easy and boring.
Filled with little tips nobody with a thinking mind really needs. ("press X now", for example)
Too easy, no real reward.
EvE is HARD ! CHALLENING !
You have to build yourself up !
It's definitly no game for you,
as your thread already proves.
Spare me the tinfoilhat-****, that's just the way it is. Ask Zynga.
FarmVille is the game you want to play.
Or any (most) modern games.
Also, you have no clue about the bazaar and why it's the method of choice.
There's a huge difference in making a skilled toon out of nothing,
or buying a skilled toon which actually had to progress over time.
Go kill some other game with your mental shortage.
Have fun there. :) |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
10
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:14:00 -
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Obvious Troll is Obvious.
Seriously.... probably just created this character to post this crappy thread.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 12:30:00 -
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death klokk wrote:No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
death klokk wrote:No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
death klokk....even worse name.
Oh sweet irony  |
Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
15
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Posted - 2011.09.23 12:35:00 -
[26] - Quote
death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
The instant gratification kid has spoken.
When talking about names remember that people in glass houses should not throw certain things.
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Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT
Numquam Ambulare Solus
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 13:04:00 -
[27] - Quote
No. AU for SP ? Please don't.
And I'd like the ability to buy/sell characters removed from the game. That eliminates the "but I can buy a character, how different is that?)"
AU for a booster to help you earn SP faster - that I could accept.
And as for AU for a name change - I can support that, TBH, so long as it is carried with your employment history. Myself I'd like to be able to use the third name feature with this character, as it should be Knug Li Di, but at the time the character was created, a third name wasn't an option.
If only we could fall into a woman's arms
without falling into her hands |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
131
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Posted - 2011.09.23 13:11:00 -
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death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
Damn you're funny. I laughed so much that there is tears in my eyes.
Seriously... this topic... does not deserve any more of my time.
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Get working images and colored text
Classic forum style 2.25final |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2011.09.23 13:18:00 -
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death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
******* die |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
198
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Posted - 2011.09.23 13:42:00 -
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death klokk wrote:Do you realize how stupid you sound considering "character bazaar" and "timecode bazaar" ? The only difference with my proposal is being able to skill up my character as opposed to using someone else's leftovers. You do realise that the character bazaar does not in any way resemble what you're asking for, right?
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2011.09.23 15:32:00 -
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it will never happen, and if it does a huge chunk of eve population will straight up quit.
first off, the character bazarr is a market, the more demand the higher the price, same with plex. this means that if your rich IRL and spend a million dollars on plexs the price will plummet there... your rational is cash->plex-> isk is faulty because the ammount of isk u will get depends on demand... an example is 2-3 years ago plex was about 200mil isk. now its almost 400mil isk.
buying SP will be at a static price which will damage the game mechanics for regular players, ruin the character bazaar, and lead to mass quitting. |
AFKCloaked AltSpy
MasterMined Technologies
7
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Posted - 2011.09.23 15:35:00 -
[32] - Quote
Dalmont Delantee wrote:Got to love retards who don't want to play the game the way it was designed and how everyone else does.
I know I'll just buy myself where I want to go....
Patience is a skill you need to learn in RL.
You mean everyone except those whom purchase toons from the bazaar. |
Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
11
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Posted - 2011.09.23 15:44:00 -
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death klokk wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:No, NO!! NOOOOO!!!
A large part of the Eve experience - to me - is the involvement in training skills.
You start buying skill points then Eve becomes pointless,
You work hard, play hard and reap the rewards.
Being able to buy skillpoints would dilute all of that.
Totally stupid suggestion, Mr. Op, and this thread should go in to the "Totally Stupid Ideas" Thread posted under "Nihillum".
NO! Do you realize how stupid you sound considering "character bazaar" and "timecode bazaar" ? The only difference with my proposal is being able to skill up my character as opposed to using someone else's leftovers.
You also would get to choose your name. Countless recreation of corp theft characters with no history but huge skill point base. And endlessly increase the capital population "which is already inflated".
That is but a few reasons on a monolithic iceberg of problems this would introduce. You obviously have not spent enough time to properly understand how this game works. And for that reason alone, I can not take your opinion seriously.
Also what does buying game time have to do with your reasoning, and buying a character has many flaws to it. You receive that characters corporation history, their possibly sloppy skill placement, standings with NPC factions, old relations with other players, and most of all what ever name comes with them. Do not think for a second that buying a character is free SP. You may be able to fly ahead of a new character. But you pay a lot to do so, in more than one way. Not to mention the transfer of characters that are already in the system is not inflating the SP base.
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
36
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Posted - 2011.09.23 15:48:00 -
[34] - Quote
death klokk wrote:No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
Says someone named "death klokk". |
Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.23 15:50:00 -
[35] - Quote
Pubbies getting trolled hard. |
Satav
Latinum Exports
16
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Posted - 2011.09.23 15:54:00 -
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death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
*Laughs fiendishly and drops a 10megaton nuclear bomb up death klokk's ____ and everyone cheers with delight*
Let me point out a few things.
(1) I don't like that you're trolling.
(2) That will never happen, approved by players or CCP
(3) This is eve not fuc king World of Dumbcraft where a bunch of junior high girl compare pretty armor.
(4) The thing that make eve superior is that you have to work for what you get and not be just a lazy a ss buy off.
(5) So shut up , stop complaining. If you don't like it, go play SIMS, or Everquest or something.
I would like to keep the little bit of dignity that Eve has left.
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Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew
Night Sky Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.09.23 23:02:00 -
[37] - Quote
While I am indifferent at this point because I am only 2 years in.
Many of you are forgetting the fact that money does not buy skill. It might buy skill points, but it doesn't actually buy skill.
Just because this new player buys a new account, buys a ton of skill points and buys a nice shiny new ship does not mean they are actually going to be good with it. They will almost for sure succumb to some sort of gate camp, wormhole exploration error or otherwise stupid decision.
Skill comes with experience, the longer you have played the more you have. |
Kinta Huron
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 23:35:00 -
[38] - Quote
I'll pay $20 for a total skill tree re-map for dam sure. |
Lili Lu
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 01:17:00 -
[39] - Quote
Kinta Huron wrote:I'll pay $20 for a total skill tree re-map for dam sure.
Sadly that's just another side of the same coin. When I started this game in '06 it was very hard for new players. You were total crap having next to nothing in total sp, having to train base skills at an excrusiatingly slow rate because the learning skills were in the game. There was no sped up training rate to start with. And you liked it . . 
That is what made the game so worthwhile. It took time to get some competency in something. It made you realize the importance of choices when you realized that those industry skills were not going to help your combat character (or vice versa). Unfortunately all the changes have slowly eroded the investment aspect of character creation so now we get this open trolling for free sp (or easier sp).
Someone above in this thread also said they would have no issue with purchasing a "booster" for sp training time. That is really no different than the outright purchase of the sp.
And for those that still say blah blah character bazaar is buying sp anyway, I'm too tired to explain fully the flaws in that assertion. Do some searches on the shitstorm incarna launch threads that still sit on the forum archives (assuming CCP hasn't scrubbed them). I never liked the character bazaar and the thought of spending billions of isk to purchase an already trained character makes me barf, but there is a difference at least to the eve economy and gamepay in allowing that instead of outright rl cash for sp purchases.
Lastly, instant gratification is not what this game has been about. Although, sadly it has been slowly turning that direction. The day the company goes full ****** and fucks up the game beyond all recognition is the day I will quit. And, I will be far from alone in that action. And, no, all the instant gratifaction whores left in the game will not get our stuff. But, it probably won't matter because you will just be able to credit card purchase similar stuffs anyway. Regardless, CCP will realize then that whores do not have any long-term commitment and the game will quickly die. Not seeing a bright future for the P2W Dust and WoD in the CCP pipeline either. Maybe, the company, well management, will wake up. One can hope. |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.09.24 01:32:00 -
[40] - Quote
Remap would be great & I'm ready for buying SP -- long as you can't buy more than the age of your account.
Ie.. Brand new player should not be able to purchase 100 million SP. |
Keno Skir
2
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Posted - 2011.09.24 02:59:00 -
[41] - Quote
Not to mention big corps would be able to boost an entire group of newbies to expert level overnight for the cost of a titan, further pushing the average player to the sidelines.
No. |
death klokk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.09.24 04:59:00 -
[42] - Quote
Why is everyone all butt hurt about something that is already implemented in the game?
$$ > Timecode Bazaar> Character Bazaar >100mil SP toon
I'm just voting to cut out the middle men and go
$$ > 100mil SP toon
So uh...
why all the hostility and QQ ? |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
100
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Posted - 2011.09.24 05:02:00 -
[43] - Quote
death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
I have an awsome name, even better track/employment record. You, on the other hand, have a ****** name and even worse poasting history. |
Aus Mote
Project Sinkhole Command
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 05:13:00 -
[44] - Quote
Tippia wrote:death klokk wrote:Do you realize how stupid you sound considering "character bazaar" and "timecode bazaar" ? The only difference with my proposal is being able to skill up my character as opposed to using someone else's leftovers. You do realise that the character bazaar does not in any way resemble what you're asking for, right?
Tippia has spoken!
...sorta. |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.24 07:57:00 -
[45] - Quote
Oh, but we have that already in the game. I buyed it for ~ 80 million ISK.
It-¦s called implants and it shaved 180 days of my current skillplan, so i buyed about 10 million SP.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
183
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Posted - 2011.09.24 08:36:00 -
[46] - Quote
Moved from "EVE General Discussion".
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 09:05:00 -
[47] - Quote
I have an idea, log into the game and play |
Anna Lynne Larson
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 09:39:00 -
[48] - Quote
If I could downvote OP I would.
Ban OP gas thread. |
Shalee Lianne
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
11
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:33:00 -
[49] - Quote
No.
No, no, no.
Buying skill points would break the game. Half the population would quit, the other half would be mucking around in titans.
As much as I loathe taking forever to train for something (I'm training for the archon now), I understand it's best for the game.
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Ryoko Byako
Hooters and Looters
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:53:00 -
[50] - Quote
Allowing to purchase of skill points through money, I donGÇÖt know what rocks other people bots,
but that would be it for me, I would stop playing instantly!
I donGÇÖt even know where to begin whit whatGÇÖs wrong whit that, so much that I donGÇÖt even want to start!
If any feature in the game should allow for extra skill points other the trough skill training, it should be through game play, maybe a kind of leveling system gaining GÇ£XPGÇ¥ a like, this would also allow new players to catch up a bit to old players trough intensive game playing!
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Aristash
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:57:00 -
[51] - Quote
no way. this kills everything... |
shadowace00007
Beyond The Gates
Tri Sol Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:04:00 -
[52] - Quote
Shalee Lianne wrote:No.
No, no, no.
Buying skill points would break the game. Half the population would quit, the other half would be mucking around in titans.
As much as I loathe taking forever to train for something (I'm training for the archon now), I understand it's best for the game.
I would be one of the quiters. If there is a point where money will effect in game items by making them stronger or anything I am gone. This is not World of tanks people.
Born Amarrian Raised Minmatar. |
Kunaria Harrington
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:05:00 -
[53] - Quote
death klokk wrote: Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
I do not agree with buying SP it's just a bad idea. However, maybe a remap if it's within the same group like "Gunnery", "Spaceship Command", etc. Perhaps a 10% loss of skill points too.
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Or how about this... Name change for aurum!...
As long as there is a way to trace the previously used names like a "Otherwise known as...." list. Marking the character sale & name change in the Employment Log would be nice.
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Insane Randomness
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 05:52:00 -
[54] - Quote
death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
OK mate, go look at what happened to SWG and then come back and say that again. If you still say it again, I will hunt you down, slap you silly, and then steal all your stuff. Every blasted bit so you can never post your ridiculous comments again.
This has been reject a million times before because of one thing: No matter how many credits you attach to the price of an item or service, there will always be someone out there with enough money to buy it. You only need to look at the number of titans to figure that one out.
Or hell, the number of supercarriers. I mean, they cost 15 billion credits each right? But there's like, over 2500 now?
If it ever does happen, do not come crying to me when you get ganked a million times over by that one dude whom has 450 million SP and can whoop your butt twenty times over. It's just not going to happen. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1
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Posted - 2011.09.25 09:50:00 -
[55] - Quote
not gonna happen, I HOPE! |
SGT FUNYOUN
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Hoodlums Associates
2
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Posted - 2011.09.25 10:26:00 -
[56] - Quote
This is not WOW or a Facebook game.
No.  |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
44
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:15:00 -
[57] - Quote
death klokk wrote:Why is everyone all butt hurt about something that is already implemented in the game?
$$ > Timecode Bazaar> Character Bazaar >100mil SP toon
I'm just voting to cut out the middle men and go
$$ > 100mil SP toon
So uh...
why all the hostility and QQ ?
When you buy a existing pilot that pilot had to be skilled up over time. Because of that there is a limited supply.
But if skill points could be bought it would be possible for someone with a big credit card to make a unlimited number of high skill pilots overnight. He could do things like advertize "Join my alliance, get a 100 million SP pilot and we will take over Null!"
That's game breaking. Any way to purchase an unlimited number of game effecting items for $$ runs into the same issue.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:05:00 -
[58] - Quote
death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
no, no we can't.
It's a dumb idea.. skill points need to remain fixed where they get trained.
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Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
8
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:07:00 -
[59] - Quote
i MIGHT support tihs idea if it was something like $50 for 1000 skill points, you could only buy 10,000 sp per day adn had a total hard limit of 1mil sp
otherwise its a horrible idea
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Mr MaltaProject
inFluX.
3
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Posted - 2011.09.26 02:23:00 -
[60] - Quote
OP is a troll.... and an idiot. |
Xavier Linx
Omni Research
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 20:18:00 -
[61] - Quote
Darth Skorpius wrote:i MIGHT support tihs idea if it was something like $50 for 1000 skill points, you could only buy 10,000 sp per day adn had a total hard limit of 1mil sp
otherwise its a horrible idea
Even with limitations it is a bad idea. The current system works great, and even better when all training times passes 2 days, especially after RL hits your gaming time with the Nerf bat. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 05:32:00 -
[62] - Quote
For the low low low price of a titan, you too can have every skill maxed out in eve.
A game with no progression is a boring game to be honest,
Why do you think I quit playing Global Agenda? i capped out all 4 classes at lvl 50 already. |
epsilonion
CLOVEN SKY
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 10:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
death klokk wrote:Seriously.. let me remap my skills for like 20$ or buy a few million SP or something. Its gonna happen sooner or later, and I'd just like it to happen sooner.
No, I do not want to buy your crappy recycled character with a sh**ty track/employment record and even worse name.
Why buy sp when you buy game time to wait for your sp to grow, eather way ccp wins.. :D
but seriously the waiting for trainin skills is a big part of the game, just sit it out like the rest of us have...
been playing 4 years now and I am still not where i want to be so just stick with it.. :d
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Daisai
Rapalje
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 10:14:00 -
[64] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:No, NO!! NOOOOO!!!
A large part of the Eve experience - to me - is the involvement in training skills.
You start buying skill points then Eve becomes pointless,
You work hard, play hard and reap the rewards.
Being able to buy skillpoints would dilute all of that.
Totally stupid suggestion, Mr. Op, and this thread should go in to the "Totally Stupid Ideas" Thread posted under "Nihillum".
NO!
Waiting 2 years for your skills to be completed is not hard work.
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Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 05:37:00 -
[65] - Quote
Satav wrote:Let me point out a few things.
(1) I don't like that you're trolling.
(2) That will never happen, approved by players or CCP
(3) This is eve not fuc king World of Dumbcraft where a bunch of junior high girl compare pretty armor.
(4) The thing that make eve superior is that you have to work for what you get and not be just a lazy a ss buy off.
(5) So shut up , stop complaining. If you don't like it, go play SIMS, or Everquest or something.
I would like to keep the little bit of dignity that Eve has left.
1) Given the path that CCP is on, led by Hilmar, I see it as less of a troll and more of a distinct possibility in the future.
2) When has CCP ever asked the players approval for anything? (See #1)
3) There are only three real differences between Eve and WoW. Wow has a level cap and Eve doesn't, and Eve skill training is passive, while WoW is active. The last is glaringly obvious, and that is the setting.
4) How is training a skill in Eve considered work? I'm not even playing and my skill is training, it's that easy. Now figuring which skills to train, and to do so in an effective manner, that can be tricky. But skill training is as simple as pie. Try not to make it sound like you are feeding an entire third world country here.
5) I am afraid that your overly simplistic, and rather skewed view, is indicative of nothing more than a herd mentality.
Let me play devil's advocate for a moment, using a different medium within the Eve universe. I can go to a third party website and purchase 60 days worth of PLEX. I can then go and sell it on the Timecode Bazaar, making roughly 600 million (give or take, I haven't looked at what PLEX is worth these days) isk for roughly ten to twenty minutes worth of work. Essentially, I can create an isk printing machine as long as I have the real life funds to do so. While the medium is different, the end result is effectively the same. Yet PLEX for isk is fully acceptable, even though it is a barely concealed RMT scheme.
I am neither opposed nor will I lobby for Cash for SP, and the reason being is that just because someone buys SP, doesn't mean they know how to effectively allocate them. Short of some type of guiding hand, the only players that would be able to really utilize such methods are the veterans, the ones who already know how to play. The argument that Eve is hard, though, is pure rhetoric at its most elitist. As I have mentioned before, a fool can set a skill to train, but only someone who has spent time playing the game will know how to do so most effectively. Just like a newb racing to get into a BS without knowing how to fly or fit it, and possessing the bare minimum of skills to get in the BS, a SP buyer will be more dangerous to him or herself than anyone else until he or she finally experiences the epiphany that Eve is like a puzzle and begin to formulate how to put it together.
I don't entirely buy the argument concerning the character bazzar either. While I agree that it would be detrimental to that branch of Eve, I believe ultimately that more money would be spent in a Cash for SP manner than paying to transfer a toon. Of course, I am thinking $15 for a month's worth of SP here, nothing overly extravagant, just basically what you would get for playing for a month. Any other business model would be either a waste of time or totally moronic. CCP could possibly make more money in the long run with a model such as Cash for SP. This is why I think that it's not if something like this happens, but when.
Personally, I am totally agreeable to a one-time fee to be able to move SP around on your character sheet. I know the purists will tie me to the stake and light my a** up, but each and everyone of us has made a mistake or three on our first toons and would like to go back and fix it to how our current gamestyle is within the game. You may not admit it, but it's definitely more prevalent than is confessed to.
Make CQ and WiS an option, not a must.-á I don't play EvE for the toon spinning. |
Dr 0wnage
The Dark Tribe
Checkmate.
2
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:47:00 -
[66] - Quote
no, just no... |
Zi Pan
The Dark Tribe
Checkmate.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:55:00 -
[67] - Quote
Zi Pan says: "No..."  |
Miljun Virr
Close Proximity
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
if this happens this will be another sucky mmo , good luck with that |
Kagan Storm
Syndicated Systems
ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 11:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
The 2 commandments of EvE Online:
1. Thou shall not pay any other MMOs then Eve online
2. Thou shall not Pilot a titan before day 138. :)
Was gonna troll him with a longer list but im just to tiered.
Offering small loans. Send message for details and arrangements. :)
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Kali Omega
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
1
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Posted - 2011.09.28 12:59:00 -
[70] - Quote
No, plain and simple..
Don't like instant "iwin" then go play WoW. Otherwise stick it out like the rest of us have.
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Brandoe Chung
Phoenix Industries
Wicked Nation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 13:22:00 -
[71] - Quote
Kali Omega wrote:No, plain and simple..
Don't like instant "iwin" then go play WoW. Otherwise stick it out like the rest of us have.
Agreed
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Pomagre
Hell's Revenge
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 13:46:00 -
[72] - Quote
No.... just.....no...... |
Lianail Deninard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 15:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
Please, no how, no way, never.
-á Reward law abiding citizens. We should never promote sociopathic behavior as a primary mode of interaction. Make a reason for Good people to fight, such as defending their nation. Encourage people to become heros, not villians.
-á If you agree with an idea, Like it. |
Solinuas
Beyond Evil and Good
2
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Posted - 2011.09.28 15:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
I can see how THIS would pan out
"You can now buy SP for real money!"
one day passes
Active subscription count -200k |
Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.29 14:07:00 -
[75] - Quote
Kali Omega wrote:No, plain and simple..
Don't like instant "iwin" then go play WoW. Otherwise stick it out like the rest of us have.
You have no clue what you are talking about. You quite literally just farted and somehow managed to form words.
Make CQ and WiS an option, not a must.-á I don't play EvE for the toon spinning. |
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