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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.04 19:50:00 -
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Great documentary about The latest Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring. From its design, construction and use.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/building-britains-ultimate-warship/4od#3089519
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2010.07.04 19:54:00 -
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Link is moot, channel 4 doesnt like to share with the rest of the world.
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Hatherley
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:16:00 -
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In true English style, a vast overspend for underpowered ships  we spent ú1.1 billion pounds per IIRC.
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justin666
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Hatherley
In true English style, a vast overspend for underpowered ships we spent ú1.1 billion pounds per IIRC.
its a anti air ship....not anti ship and it does its role very well from what they seen
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lance Fighter on 04/07/2010 20:28:03
hint: no matter how awesome they think it is, a carrier can still blow the **** out of them from 100km+ away.
edit: since when has **** been censored again?
and oh, an anti-air destroyer? meh any well equipped task force has enough alternatives anyway
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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Hatherley
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:33:00 -
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yeah we're building some Queen Elizabeth class carriers too, they seem pretty decent (about 80% the size of a Nimitz) 
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:35:00 -
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Look at what the other úbillion went on
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:09:00 -
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Quote:
and oh, an anti-air destroyer? meh any well equipped task force has enough alternatives anyway
Euhm pretty much every well equipped task force has a dedicated anti-air ship.
At least it has better radar systems than US ships, dunno about the rest really.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
and oh, an anti-air destroyer? meh any well equipped task force has enough alternatives anyway
Euhm pretty much every well equipped task force has a dedicated anti-air ship.
At least it has better radar systems than US ships, dunno about the rest really.
About 75% chance of that radar being Dutch.  We do make the best in the world.
As are the goalkeeper guns on it.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:15:00 -
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Years ago I played Harpoon a naval warfare simulator. You had an interface like an air traffic control screen. They used it to form fictional scenarios in the Tom Clancy book Red Storm Rising. Where a wing of Russian Backfire bombers decimated a US carrier fleet. Of course that is just a simualator. But the falklands war AFAIK is the only example of modern naval warfare. And most notably where an Exocet missile sank HMS Sheffield.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
and oh, an anti-air destroyer? meh any well equipped task force has enough alternatives anyway
Euhm pretty much every well equipped task force has a dedicated anti-air ship.
At least it has better radar systems than US ships, dunno about the rest really.
About 75% chance of that radar being Dutch. We do make the best in the world.
As are the goalkeeper guns on it.
Agreement on dutch goalkeepers being better than english ones.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Agreement on dutch goalkeepers being better than english ones.
 I wasn't talking about the football kind.
Goalkeeper cannon are designed to take out anti-ship missiles at short range.
They're a Dutch developed weapon-system.
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Hatherley
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
and oh, an anti-air destroyer? meh any well equipped task force has enough alternatives anyway
Euhm pretty much every well equipped task force has a dedicated anti-air ship.
At least it has better radar systems than US ships, dunno about the rest really.
About 75% chance of that radar being Dutch. We do make the best in the world.
As are the goalkeeper guns on it.
has British and Dutch as far as I can see ^_^
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:49:00 -
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Ramming speed.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
The name XenosisReaper will live on forever
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
and oh, an anti-air destroyer? meh any well equipped task force has enough alternatives anyway
Euhm pretty much every well equipped task force has a dedicated anti-air ship.
At least it has better radar systems than US ships, dunno about the rest really.
... has enough alternatives to blow up an anti-air ship, not alternatives to shooting down planes.
Honestly..
most of my naval combat information comes from the NOTA mod for spring.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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Hatherley
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Look at what the other úbillion went on
oooh-eerr
*downloads*
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny
Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Look at what the other úbillion went on
If it had linked to hookers and blow, that would've been perfect.
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Test9042
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:39:00 -
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The Type-45 is currently the best at its role in the world - nothing surpasses it in technology and weapons systems - from Wikipedia - "be the Royal Navy's most capable destroyer ever, as well as the world's best air-defence ship."
Then again, just wait a few years to see what Daring will be escorting :
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/upload/img_400/carrier1_20090227101747.jpg
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Jhagiti Tyran
Invicta.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Look at what the other úbillion went on
Out of interest does anyone who knows about naval warfare know how the Astute class compared to say the US Seawolf and Virginia class?
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.05 06:42:00 -
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Sorry, this is the greatest sub ever made 
Originally by: captain foivos
It's not griefing, it's surprise PvP.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.05 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 05/07/2010 07:01:54
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Originally by: baltec1
Look at what the other úbillion went on
Out of interest does anyone who knows about naval warfare know how the Astute class compared to say the US Seawolf and Virginia class?
Slightly shorter (97m vs 115m), a bit wider (11.3m vs 10) than a Virginia Class, about 4 knots faster than a Virginia, 6 knots slower than a Seawolf, both values while submerged.
Smaller crew (98) compared to the Virginia's 134 and Seawolf's 140, but no hot-bunking needed, 1 bunk per crewmember.
2 More Tubes than a Virginia, but 2 less than a Seawolf. Comparable armaments though, Tomahawk Cruise Missiles, Harpoon Anti-Ship Missiles and Torpedoes (not sure how US Mk48 Torps compare to British Spearfish).
The Astute uses Pump-Jet propulsion rather than an advanced Propeller design like both Virginia and Seawolf Classes, so potentially it's a bit stealthier than either of those 2.
The Astute also has a highly advanced sensor package for a sub it's size, but I'm not certain how it compares to say the Seawolf's which is rather good as well.
Like most British submarines it has a hardened conning tower to break through pack ice if needed.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:13:00 -
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Everything said above is at least what is possible for the new sub but we also have to keep in mind that the top speed, sonar range (which they say can hear a tug boat in new york from southhampton) and most other things are classified. It is safe to say though that it is currently the most advanced sub in the sea
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
and oh, an anti-air destroyer? meh any well equipped task force has enough alternatives anyway
Euhm pretty much every well equipped task force has a dedicated anti-air ship.
At least it has better radar systems than US ships, dunno about the rest really.
About 75% chance of that radar being Dutch. We do make the best in the world.
As are the goalkeeper guns on it.
About 75% of it is Dutch ;)
It is indeed a Dutch radar, but with some modifications made by the brittish. Cheaper and way better than US radar systems, but they rather use inferior stuff than buying from other countries.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 05/07/2010 09:18:59
Originally by: baltec1
Everything said above is at least what is possible for the new sub but we also have to keep in mind that the top speed, sonar range (which they say can hear a tug boat in new york from southhampton) and most other things are classified. It is safe to say though that it is currently the most advanced sub in the sea
The Wikipedia page for the Astute is surprisingly comprehensive with clear citations all over the place. I got all the info posted above from there, so while it may understate some of the actual stats of the vessel, the info on it's sonar suite and such is very comprehensive, with most components named along with it's manufacturer. It's passive/active sonar package is quite impressive indeed with a range of thousands of miles.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:39:00 -
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A gigantic waste of resources to build these ships really.
makes me sad.
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Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
About 75% of it is Dutch ;)
It is indeed a Dutch radar, but with some modifications made by the brittish. Cheaper and way better than US radar systems, but they rather use inferior stuff than buying from other countries.
Far be it for me to defend the US...
but there is good reason to develop independantly as Argentina found out when the current British Prime Minister... some lady... forget her name, leant on the French President to give her military the control codes for the Exocet missiles currently laying waste to her Armada.
No idea what she said but she got what she wanted.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.05 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
A gigantic waste of resources to build these ships really.
makes me sad.
Unlike other nations, we actually use our subs
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Iasius
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.05 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Iasius on 05/07/2010 16:10:48
The program about HMS Astute was good but more vague than the HMS Daring program because of secrecy. Like most people I have worked in an office and found it inane, weird and not fulfilling enough. To work for your own country's navy appears very satisfying.
From chatting to ex services people over the years there is far more camaraderie in the militery than in an office. With quite a few tales of seasoned sergeants telling noob officers 'this is the way to do it, i will show you and get out of my way'
If I was not bonkers I think I should have joined the forces years ago heh.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Capsuleers of Doom
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Posted - 2010.07.05 16:14:00 -
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Suck it Argentina.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Invicta.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
A gigantic waste of resources to build these ships really.
makes me sad.
Its not a waste at all with the new class of sub and destroyers and the upcoming Queen Mary class aircraft carrier it secures the Royal Navy's future, which after the chronic under investment over the decades which nearly cost us the Falklands war its a welcome change.
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