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voodoo	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:33:00 - [1] Not that I have ever scammed anyone nor is that what im all about. In fact reading the BIG situation was to me, playing this game from the last stage of beta actually funner then playing the game. The drama, mystery and suspence was far more interisting then sitting and waiting for a fleet battle, guarding a station, mining, agent missions or anythign else related to game play. The fact is I bearly play this game althou I continue to support CCP on a monthly basis. I actually never thought CCP would be able to get involved in an ingame char. for isk trade/scam. How can they interfear with an ongoing scam? Lets say just for the sake of it that Fret was working this scam to the end and BIG was just about to actually pay out the 750 mil for any of several reasons, but CCP says o no we lock thread, we fix it, we nerf scam, we protect the carebears again. CCP blew a great scam worked very nicely by fret./// For the sake of it lets say tion has an alt named axee and tion was in the process of working a great scam on fret and BIG and CCP just blew it. blah blah blah either way scamming is and always has been part of this game, unfortunitly. The universe is a dangerous place, so is doing transactions with players.I dont see how CCP can get involved and yet they do and ofcourse I have a long history with not agreeing with moderators of these boards and cant stand the fact they walk around with a big stick beating up and locking away any thread for the sillyest of reasons. Again they locked a thread that was very entertaining to say the least. Again im disgusted with the way the BIG Situation threads were locked. But more disgusted with the fact they are getting involved in an ingame transaction. just plain sad whatever The Blue Pills Make Me Happy
voodoo	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:33:00 - [2] Not that I have ever scammed anyone nor is that what im all about. In fact reading the BIG situation was to me, playing this game from the last stage of beta actually funner then playing the game. The drama, mystery and suspence was far more interisting then sitting and waiting for a fleet battle, guarding a station, mining, agent missions or anythign else related to game play. The fact is I bearly play this game althou I continue to support CCP on a monthly basis. I actually never thought CCP would be able to get involved in an ingame char. for isk trade/scam. How can they interfear with an ongoing scam? Lets say just for the sake of it that Fret was working this scam to the end and BIG was just about to actually pay out the 750 mil for any of several reasons, but CCP says o no we lock thread, we fix it, we nerf scam, we protect the carebears again. CCP blew a great scam worked very nicely by fret./// For the sake of it lets say tion has an alt named axee and tion was in the process of working a great scam on fret and BIG and CCP just blew it. blah blah blah either way scamming is and always has been part of this game, unfortunitly. The universe is a dangerous place, so is doing transactions with players.I dont see how CCP can get involved and yet they do and ofcourse I have a long history with not agreeing with moderators of these boards and cant stand the fact they walk around with a big stick beating up and locking away any thread for the sillyest of reasons. Again they locked a thread that was very entertaining to say the least. Again im disgusted with the way the BIG Situation threads were locked. But more disgusted with the fact they are getting involved in an ingame transaction. just plain sad whatever The Blue Pills Make Me Happy
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:38:00 - [3] IBTL I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that BIG has a very special relationship with CCP. Notice how BIG always gets all kinds of cool toys like impocs and impageddons for thier lottery and such, and always gets announced in in-game news, etc., theyre under heavy scruitny to play with honor and they should be. If youre going to get to have such a good relationship with the devs you should be the cream of the crop in honor and integrity, or you look like asshats and the devs look retarded. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:38:00 - [4] IBTL I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that BIG has a very special relationship with CCP. Notice how BIG always gets all kinds of cool toys like impocs and impageddons for thier lottery and such, and always gets announced in in-game news, etc., theyre under heavy scruitny to play with honor and they should be. If youre going to get to have such a good relationship with the devs you should be the cream of the crop in honor and integrity, or you look like asshats and the devs look retarded. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Enech Felbar	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:53:00 - [5] I would have said it's more to do with the fact that the auction / sale of the 'scam' took place on these forums.. Thats hardly 'in game' is it? I can hardly see how the sale of a character can be classed as something thats in game. It's not as of your selling a ship or an item, this is about selling an actuall char and IMO that should be totaly banned anyway and is in itself cheating. If it was up to me I'd stop char transfers altogether so no one could buy / sell chars. But back to the point I dont believe selling a char can be classed as an in game scam. Everything about it is OOG except for the actuall tranfer of ISK.
Enech Felbar	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:53:00 - [6] I would have said it's more to do with the fact that the auction / sale of the 'scam' took place on these forums.. Thats hardly 'in game' is it? I can hardly see how the sale of a character can be classed as something thats in game. It's not as of your selling a ship or an item, this is about selling an actuall char and IMO that should be totaly banned anyway and is in itself cheating. If it was up to me I'd stop char transfers altogether so no one could buy / sell chars. But back to the point I dont believe selling a char can be classed as an in game scam. Everything about it is OOG except for the actuall tranfer of ISK.
Riddari	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:56:00 - [7] Character is an out-of-game "merchandise". I think that's #1 reason. I'm betting CCP are taking a long hard look at that character transfer feature, wondering if to nerf it. ¼©¼ a history
Riddari	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:56:00 - [8] Character is an out-of-game "merchandise". I think that's #1 reason. I'm betting CCP are taking a long hard look at that character transfer feature, wondering if to nerf it. ¼©¼ a history
Golarion	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:58:00 - [9] Originally by: voodoo I actually never thought CCP would be able to get involved in an ingame char. for isk trade/scam. How can they interfear with an ongoing scam? Because the transfer of a character from one account to another isn't ingame. It's done outside of the game. IMHO it's CCP's responsibility to step in at a situation such as this.
Golarion	Posted - 2004.12.16 23:58:00 - [10] Originally by: voodoo I actually never thought CCP would be able to get involved in an ingame char. for isk trade/scam. How can they interfear with an ongoing scam? Because the transfer of a character from one account to another isn't ingame. It's done outside of the game. IMHO it's CCP's responsibility to step in at a situation such as this.
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:06:00 - [11] Hmmm, good point. And yeah theyre probably rethinking the character-exchange idea, personally I think its bull****. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:06:00 - [12] Hmmm, good point. And yeah theyre probably rethinking the character-exchange idea, personally I think its bull****. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Rattman	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Del Narveux IBTL Notice how BIG always gets all kinds of cool toys like impocs and impageddons for thier lottery and such, and always gets announced in in-game news, etc Just to clarify the imperial armageddon was not given by CCP. It was donated by WarHound of PAK. So thank warhound for this All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance
Rattman	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Del Narveux IBTL Notice how BIG always gets all kinds of cool toys like impocs and impageddons for thier lottery and such, and always gets announced in in-game news, etc Just to clarify the imperial armageddon was not given by CCP. It was donated by WarHound of PAK. So thank warhound for this All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:32:00 - [15] My apologies, I didnt know the specifics. However, IIRC yall do get some cool stuff from CCP, and a lot of publicity for sure _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:32:00 - [16] My apologies, I didnt know the specifics. However, IIRC yall do get some cool stuff from CCP, and a lot of publicity for sure _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Ray McCormack	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:33:00 - [17] Originally by: voodoo How can they interfear with an ongoing scam? Because it was petitioned. \| The BIG Lottery \| The BIG Deal \| 2295 \|
Ray McCormack	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:33:00 - [18] Originally by: voodoo How can they interfear with an ongoing scam? Because it was petitioned. \| The BIG Lottery \| The BIG Deal \| 2295 \|
Stavros	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:47:00 - [19] This thread will be locked but the EULA Is clear, the BIG member in question actively participated in being a third party broker for the sale of a character, this is against the EULA and as such, action should be taken against this individual.. Aside from that fact the sale of chars for whatever reason and via whatever method is lame as all hell. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.12.17 00:47:00 - [20] This thread will be locked but the EULA Is clear, the BIG member in question actively participated in being a third party broker for the sale of a character, this is against the EULA and as such, action should be taken against this individual.. Aside from that fact the sale of chars for whatever reason and via whatever method is lame as all hell. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.12.17 01:03:00 - [21] /me puts on Eris Discordia wig: "Thou shall not discuss moderation on forums! Bad Voodoo!" -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.12.17 01:03:00 - [22] /me puts on Eris Discordia wig: "Thou shall not discuss moderation on forums! Bad Voodoo!" -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
loozer	Posted - 2004.12.17 01:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Stavros This thread will be locked but the EULA Is clear, the BIG member in question actively participated in being a third party broker for the sale of a character, this is against the EULA and as such, action should be taken against this individual.. Aside from that fact the sale of chars for whatever reason and via whatever method is lame as all hell. Umm arent you calling the kettle black Stav? Lets see.. #1 The Reverend. #2 Lord Zap. #3 should I go on? Are all not the original owners but purchasers of these accounts yet you still teamed with them when the new owners took them over. As for you I think you are Also not tthe same Stav. so No hypocrites please
loozer	Posted - 2004.12.17 01:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Stavros This thread will be locked but the EULA Is clear, the BIG member in question actively participated in being a third party broker for the sale of a character, this is against the EULA and as such, action should be taken against this individual.. Aside from that fact the sale of chars for whatever reason and via whatever method is lame as all hell. Umm arent you calling the kettle black Stav? Lets see.. #1 The Reverend. #2 Lord Zap. #3 should I go on? Are all not the original owners but purchasers of these accounts yet you still teamed with them when the new owners took them over. As for you I think you are Also not tthe same Stav. so No hypocrites please
Rattman	Posted - 2004.12.17 01:28:00 - [25] I will 100 isk on this thread being locked by wrangler But I think CCP should take a more active part in investigating various scams as they do not give players a way to safely trade many assets in the game. like characters (personally think it lame but thats only my opinion) and lab/factory/office slots All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance
Rattman	Posted - 2004.12.17 01:28:00 - [26] I will 100 isk on this thread being locked by wrangler But I think CCP should take a more active part in investigating various scams as they do not give players a way to safely trade many assets in the game. like characters (personally think it lame but thats only my opinion) and lab/factory/office slots All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance
ddss	Posted - 2004.12.17 02:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Rattman I will 100 isk on this thread being locked by wrangler But I think CCP should take a more active part in investigating various scams as they do not give players a way to safely trade many assets in the game. like characters (personally think it lame but thats only my opinion) and lab/factory/office slots see your 100, and raise it to 110 that Eris lockes it.....I thing Wrangler is good canditade (sp?) but I think in the end Eris will take it
ddss	Posted - 2004.12.17 02:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Rattman I will 100 isk on this thread being locked by wrangler But I think CCP should take a more active part in investigating various scams as they do not give players a way to safely trade many assets in the game. like characters (personally think it lame but thats only my opinion) and lab/factory/office slots see your 100, and raise it to 110 that Eris lockes it.....I thing Wrangler is good canditade (sp?) but I think in the end Eris will take it
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.17 02:11:00 - [29] My money is on Orestes or kieron. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.17 02:11:00 - [30] My money is on Orestes or kieron. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Ris Dnalor	Posted - 2004.12.17 02:11:00 - [31] tralala -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
Ris Dnalor	Posted - 2004.12.17 02:11:00 - [32] tralala -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
Karoth Tyu	Posted - 2004.12.17 02:48:00 - [33] This got another thread locked, so I'll try it again here: Bacon. BACON! Where's the bacon? I smell bacon. There's only one place there's gotta be bacon and its HERE! Bacon bacon bacon bacon... THERE! On that bag! What's it say?! I CAN REAAAAD! Please, please give me what's in the bag!! Chewy, yummy, smokey, BACON!!! Oh boy oh boy num num num num num num num IT'S BAAACOOON!!
Karoth Tyu	Posted - 2004.12.17 02:48:00 - [34] This got another thread locked, so I'll try it again here: Bacon. BACON! Where's the bacon? I smell bacon. There's only one place there's gotta be bacon and its HERE! Bacon bacon bacon bacon... THERE! On that bag! What's it say?! I CAN REAAAAD! Please, please give me what's in the bag!! Chewy, yummy, smokey, BACON!!! Oh boy oh boy num num num num num num num IT'S BAAACOOON!!
Impeertium	Posted - 2004.12.17 03:12:00 - [35] Look this has gone far enough, the public wants to know, thats why CCPunk are getting involved. Fret must be VINDICATED!
Impeertium	Posted - 2004.12.17 03:12:00 - [36] Look this has gone far enough, the public wants to know, thats why CCPunk are getting involved. Fret must be VINDICATED!
Erai	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:32:00 - [37] Edited by: Erai on 17/12/2004 09:32:52 Originally by: Impeertium Look this has gone far enough, the public wants to know, thats why CCPunk are getting involved. Fret must be VINDICATED! "Vindicate"... nice word, powerful sound, but with my limited knowledge of Englist, I had to look that one up... and since learning makes me want to share: Originally by: http://www.m-w.com/thesaurus.htm Etymology: Latin vindicatus, past participle of vindicare to lay claim to, avenge, from vindic-, vindex claimant, avenger 1 obsolete : to set free : DELIVER 2 : AVENGE 3 a : to free from allegation or blame b (1) : CONFIRM, SUBSTANTIATE (2) : to provide justification or defense for : JUSTIFY c : to protect from attack or encroachment : DEFEND 4 : to maintain a right to (not meant as any kind of negative comment, just me being happy that this thread now serves a useful purpose after all ) ------------------------------------------ My bio
Erai	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:32:00 - [38] Edited by: Erai on 17/12/2004 09:32:52 Originally by: Impeertium Look this has gone far enough, the public wants to know, thats why CCPunk are getting involved. Fret must be VINDICATED! "Vindicate"... nice word, powerful sound, but with my limited knowledge of Englist, I had to look that one up... and since learning makes me want to share: Originally by: http://www.m-w.com/thesaurus.htm Etymology: Latin vindicatus, past participle of vindicare to lay claim to, avenge, from vindic-, vindex claimant, avenger 1 obsolete : to set free : DELIVER 2 : AVENGE 3 a : to free from allegation or blame b (1) : CONFIRM, SUBSTANTIATE (2) : to provide justification or defense for : JUSTIFY c : to protect from attack or encroachment : DEFEND 4 : to maintain a right to (not meant as any kind of negative comment, just me being happy that this thread now serves a useful purpose after all ) ------------------------------------------ My bio
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:37:00 - [39] Wait, what did I miss? [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:37:00 - [40] Wait, what did I miss? [Heterocephalus glaber]
DeerHunter GE	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:57:00 - [41] I feel very comfortable with the intervention by CCP. They'll investigate that matter and they will know who cheated. This isn't an usual scam.... Don't ask "can i have your stuff" because i'll give it to everybody else than you!
DeerHunter GE	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:57:00 - [42] I feel very comfortable with the intervention by CCP. They'll investigate that matter and they will know who cheated. This isn't an usual scam.... Don't ask "can i have your stuff" because i'll give it to everybody else than you!
sutty	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:10:00 - [43] Lord Zap is real and always has been the same person. Why do people always say that ?
sutty	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:10:00 - [44] Lord Zap is real and always has been the same person. Why do people always say that ?
shambley	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:18:00 - [45] Edited by: shambley on 17/12/2004 10:32:30 I agree with del on the thread lock, so I see your 110 ISK and raise 100 that kieron locks this thread :-)
shambley	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:18:00 - [46] Edited by: shambley on 17/12/2004 10:32:30 I agree with del on the thread lock, so I see your 110 ISK and raise 100 that kieron locks this thread :-)
jason hill	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:52:00 - [47] well ...this thread is still alive "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
jason hill	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:52:00 - [48] well ...this thread is still alive "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Discorporation Wait, what did I miss? You missed my app to Evol. Shrike rejected me. Now I'll never have a cool sig. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Discorporation Wait, what did I miss? You missed my app to Evol. Shrike rejected me. Now I'll never have a cool sig. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:43:00 - [51] I got the thread Voodoo if you want an answer about the issues you address such as moderation you should e-mail us and not complain on the forums. Discussing moderation is against the rules and as a moderator I'm obliged to follow them, when you send us an e-mail asking for clarification on moderation you will receive an answer. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:43:00 - [52] I got the thread Voodoo if you want an answer about the issues you address such as moderation you should e-mail us and not complain on the forums. Discussing moderation is against the rules and as a moderator I'm obliged to follow them, when you send us an e-mail asking for clarification on moderation you will receive an answer. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
kieron	Posted - 2004.12.17 18:49:00 - [53] Orestes is working in a different division, although his ghost posts to the forums under a different guise. Eris got to this thread before I did, so all those that put bets on Orestes, myself or Wrangler better pony up the ISK. As for the reason I locked the other threads, the situation was being investigated by the GM team and both threads had degraded into flamefests. Posts to the threads would not have had any impact on the outcome of the investigation (the GMs and CCP staff have the ability to look at the accounts, view transactions between the parties, see if characters had been transferred, etc.). For the record, BIG does not receive anything from CCP in support of their lotteries and promotions, the Impageddon and Impocalypse were donated by players, not CCP. As for the headlines, BIG sends in requests for support to myself and the content team. Any player or corporation may do so as well. In all cases, each request is reviewed and posted if deemed worthy. I hope this explains the reasoning behind the actions taken and clarifies any misconceptions about the relationship between CCP and BIG. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
kieron	Posted - 2004.12.17 18:49:00 - [54] Orestes is working in a different division, although his ghost posts to the forums under a different guise. Eris got to this thread before I did, so all those that put bets on Orestes, myself or Wrangler better pony up the ISK. As for the reason I locked the other threads, the situation was being investigated by the GM team and both threads had degraded into flamefests. Posts to the threads would not have had any impact on the outcome of the investigation (the GMs and CCP staff have the ability to look at the accounts, view transactions between the parties, see if characters had been transferred, etc.). For the record, BIG does not receive anything from CCP in support of their lotteries and promotions, the Impageddon and Impocalypse were donated by players, not CCP. As for the headlines, BIG sends in requests for support to myself and the content team. Any player or corporation may do so as well. In all cases, each request is reviewed and posted if deemed worthy. I hope this explains the reasoning behind the actions taken and clarifies any misconceptions about the relationship between CCP and BIG. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

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