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freddy poo
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:29:00 -
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quit whining about the missiles, they do have limitations you know ie slow firing rate and distance, they are easily countered if your in a fast ship. As for battleships, well, they arn't supposed to be able to outrun anything anyway. And as stated before if missile boats are so uber then why the heck are turret monster ships like gankagedons and megathrons so popular? I bet you fly one of those don't ya? I say they are in good balance. However the defenders should be more effective.
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freddy poo
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:29:00 -
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quit whining about the missiles, they do have limitations you know ie slow firing rate and distance, they are easily countered if your in a fast ship. As for battleships, well, they arn't supposed to be able to outrun anything anyway. And as stated before if missile boats are so uber then why the heck are turret monster ships like gankagedons and megathrons so popular? I bet you fly one of those don't ya? I say they are in good balance. However the defenders should be more effective.
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:46:00 -
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"public outcry"
rofl....get a grip.
Regards,
MrBinary
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:46:00 -
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"public outcry"
rofl....get a grip.
Regards,
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Leam
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:52:00 -
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wow, really dumb posts in this threat.
we've talked about this sooo many times  .
Missiles need to be ballanced against frigs, same as large turrets were. make small missiles hit frigs, but dont large missiles, same as small turrets can hit frigs but large turrets cant.All those who say that missiles are good how they are, that ppl just need to fit defenders, bla bla bla, go and fly frigs for a few weeks.
why we see so many apocs and megathrons? coz they're great ships, same as raven. diference is that a frig can tackle my blasterthron if he is fast and have a low enough sig radius, but the same frig cant tackle a raven, coz it will die in 1 missile salvo.
PD: sorry about my english 
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Leam
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:52:00 -
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wow, really dumb posts in this threat.
we've talked about this sooo many times .
Missiles need to be ballanced against frigs, same as large turrets were. make small missiles hit frigs, but dont large missiles, same as small turrets can hit frigs but large turrets cant.All those who say that missiles are good how they are, that ppl just need to fit defenders, bla bla bla, go and fly frigs for a few weeks.
why we see so many apocs and megathrons? coz they're great ships, same as raven. diference is that a frig can tackle my blasterthron if he is fast and have a low enough sig radius, but the same frig cant tackle a raven, coz it will die in 1 missile salvo.
PD: sorry about my english
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Ragga Muffin
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:29:00 -
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There have been a couple nice suggestions so far that if they took a vote I would be jumping up and down on the band wagon yelling for more people to join me...
Point Deffense: AWESOME Idea, I would love to see every ship have at least some measure of defense againt all types of weapons. EW, Defenders, Point Defense and SB's would make it nicely rounded out.
Missile Tracking: I think it should be left alone MOSTLY. I think they definately need a turn radius comparable to thier size but I also think that if you sit there flying circles in a set pattern the missile shoulb be able to smoke ya.
Evasive Action: Frigates SHOULD be able to dodge cruise/torps but in no flippin way should be immune like the people whining want them to be. If the missile/torp misses and has flight time left the frigate better be good at dodging.
I notice alot of griping about skills needed... lemme ask ya something. How long would it take you to train a monkey to push a button as apposed to teaching it to be a sniper?
Do jets in the real world switch over mostly to missiles for air to air combat because it's just as hard as useing a gun and because it costs so much more?
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Ragga Muffin
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:29:00 -
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There have been a couple nice suggestions so far that if they took a vote I would be jumping up and down on the band wagon yelling for more people to join me...
Point Deffense: AWESOME Idea, I would love to see every ship have at least some measure of defense againt all types of weapons. EW, Defenders, Point Defense and SB's would make it nicely rounded out.
Missile Tracking: I think it should be left alone MOSTLY. I think they definately need a turn radius comparable to thier size but I also think that if you sit there flying circles in a set pattern the missile shoulb be able to smoke ya.
Evasive Action: Frigates SHOULD be able to dodge cruise/torps but in no flippin way should be immune like the people whining want them to be. If the missile/torp misses and has flight time left the frigate better be good at dodging.
I notice alot of griping about skills needed... lemme ask ya something. How long would it take you to train a monkey to push a button as apposed to teaching it to be a sniper?
Do jets in the real world switch over mostly to missiles for air to air combat because it's just as hard as useing a gun and because it costs so much more?
"Of all the things I have lost during my life I miss my mind the most." |
freddy poo
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:32:00 -
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The thing is though that caldari ships are rather fragile when compared to the other races, all they have is the firepower the missiles and torps provide, without that there is no way a raven or whatever can hope to stand against an armor tanked apoc, megathron, what have you. If missiles are nerfed than all caldari ships will become the laughing stock of the game. If you nerf missiles you'll have to nerf the armor tankers to balance it. And when compared to turrets, well, turrets fire faster anyway so you'll do more damage with a turret than with a missile launcher so, in closing for all you pro missile nerfers (who probably predominantly use turret based ships), cry me a river you can't have everything. 
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freddy poo
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:32:00 -
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The thing is though that caldari ships are rather fragile when compared to the other races, all they have is the firepower the missiles and torps provide, without that there is no way a raven or whatever can hope to stand against an armor tanked apoc, megathron, what have you. If missiles are nerfed than all caldari ships will become the laughing stock of the game. If you nerf missiles you'll have to nerf the armor tankers to balance it. And when compared to turrets, well, turrets fire faster anyway so you'll do more damage with a turret than with a missile launcher so, in closing for all you pro missile nerfers (who probably predominantly use turret based ships), cry me a river you can't have everything.
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infused
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: infused on 17/12/2004 22:49:10
Shut the hell up about missiles. If your so stupid you cant counter them, you deserve to die. NERF the god damm winers!
Edit: No I don't use missiles myself, but have in the past.
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infused
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: infused on 17/12/2004 22:49:10
Shut the hell up about missiles. If your so stupid you cant counter them, you deserve to die. NERF the god damm winers!
Edit: No I don't use missiles myself, but have in the past.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:52:00 -
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I think they problem here is other bs pilots are jealous cos missles now hit frigs easier now cos thats the onlyt thing thats changed, there was none of this moaning before the change, the physics does nothing to bs vs bs fights.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:52:00 -
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I think they problem here is other bs pilots are jealous cos missles now hit frigs easier now cos thats the onlyt thing thats changed, there was none of this moaning before the change, the physics does nothing to bs vs bs fights.
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Adipocere
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Posted - 2004.12.18 00:12:00 -
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The first post in the first thread on this forum addresses the OP's freakout:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=134949&page=1
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Adipocere
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Posted - 2004.12.18 00:12:00 -
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The first post in the first thread on this forum addresses the OP's freakout:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=134949&page=1
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Sorja
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Posted - 2004.12.18 01:21:00 -
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Point defense against missiles will never happen because the Devs will never introduce anything that totally negates a weapon type.
There are already defenders and smartbombs, the last thing we need is a THIRD way to avoid missiles, and I don't even talk about speed once the flight bug is sorted out as promised.
Missiles are fine, or will be fine as soon as the flight algorithm is revised and damage is dealt according to signature radius.
But, damage proportionnal to sig radius has consequences for MWD users, and that could mean the end of MWD on frigs, which would be a good thing.
I dream of an Eve where frigs can do fine without MWD.
AB's were a joke, but MWD was a mistake, imho.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2004.12.18 01:21:00 -
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Point defense against missiles will never happen because the Devs will never introduce anything that totally negates a weapon type.
There are already defenders and smartbombs, the last thing we need is a THIRD way to avoid missiles, and I don't even talk about speed once the flight bug is sorted out as promised.
Missiles are fine, or will be fine as soon as the flight algorithm is revised and damage is dealt according to signature radius.
But, damage proportionnal to sig radius has consequences for MWD users, and that could mean the end of MWD on frigs, which would be a good thing.
I dream of an Eve where frigs can do fine without MWD.
AB's were a joke, but MWD was a mistake, imho.
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2004.12.18 02:15:00 -
[109]
 Originally by: freddy poo
If missiles are nerfed than all caldari ships will become the laughing stock of the game.
You mean like the Minmatar are right now?
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2004.12.18 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: freddy poo
If missiles are nerfed than all caldari ships will become the laughing stock of the game.
You mean like the Minmatar are right now?
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Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: alynne
this whiner has a solution
Easier solution.
Make defender fof missiles that target missiles-only.
Shoot a swarm of them, and you will be fine.
Oh and make torps and cruise missiles cable of surving 2 or 3 defender hits.
Else a single defender launcher would be to powerfull.
Another advantage would be, that you could defend your gang aswell with defenders. This would you could create for example missile-point defense ships for fleet battle.
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Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: alynne
this whiner has a solution
Easier solution.
Make defender fof missiles that target missiles-only.
Shoot a swarm of them, and you will be fine.
Oh and make torps and cruise missiles cable of surving 2 or 3 defender hits.
Else a single defender launcher would be to powerfull.
Another advantage would be, that you could defend your gang aswell with defenders. This would you could create for example missile-point defense ships for fleet battle.
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Lachenlaud
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Posted - 2004.12.18 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Psychomar
If you fill out this form I've made I'm sure the Dev's will respond.
BALANCE COMPLAINT:
Dear Mr. Dev,
My name is (your name here) and I have a complaint about balance in the game. Currently the (your ship here) is very underpowered due to (pick a mod here). Currently the (put your enemies ship here) is vastly overpowered and this is unfair. I feel the (your ship here) should be given a (insert number 1-100) times boost in (select ship cpu, powergrid or armor) to compensate for this obvious balance issue. If this can not be done please nerf the (enemy ship type here) immediately.
Thank you,
(your name here)
 YARR!
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Lachenlaud
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Posted - 2004.12.18 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Psychomar
If you fill out this form I've made I'm sure the Dev's will respond.
BALANCE COMPLAINT:
Dear Mr. Dev,
My name is (your name here) and I have a complaint about balance in the game. Currently the (your ship here) is very underpowered due to (pick a mod here). Currently the (put your enemies ship here) is vastly overpowered and this is unfair. I feel the (your ship here) should be given a (insert number 1-100) times boost in (select ship cpu, powergrid or armor) to compensate for this obvious balance issue. If this can not be done please nerf the (enemy ship type here) immediately.
Thank you,
(your name here)
YARR!
ROFLMAO!
Two words.... Smartbomb + Timing
[email protected]
http://www.goi-eve.com/forums/
Check out the Eve Master Datasheet here!! |
Sto'ka
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Posted - 2004.12.18 14:14:00 -
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I dont know who said it but i like the idea of instead of nerfing missiles they could unnerf the rest :)
I have read posts about BS pilots saying they need a few tracking comps to get a hit on a stationary BS. Doesnt make sense to me that you have to track someting that big that isnt moving.
Dont cry out for yet another nerf, raise the other guns stats so it all becomes more of a blast instead of everyone flying around in a BS that can only hit once every 10 shots or whatever.
But if the nerfing ever gets done i guess we have to adapt and overcome like someone once told me ingame.
The enemy of my enemy could be me. Loyalty is not written in a bio |
Sto'ka
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Posted - 2004.12.18 14:14:00 -
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I dont know who said it but i like the idea of instead of nerfing missiles they could unnerf the rest :)
I have read posts about BS pilots saying they need a few tracking comps to get a hit on a stationary BS. Doesnt make sense to me that you have to track someting that big that isnt moving.
Dont cry out for yet another nerf, raise the other guns stats so it all becomes more of a blast instead of everyone flying around in a BS that can only hit once every 10 shots or whatever.
But if the nerfing ever gets done i guess we have to adapt and overcome like someone once told me ingame.
The enemy of my enemy could be me. Loyalty is not written in a bio |
Jorlin
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Posted - 2004.12.18 14:41:00 -
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i just hope projectiles get balanced before missiles.
else i'm on the wrong end of the foodchain from my point of view 
no police, no summons, no courts of law;
no proper procedure, no rules of war;
no mitigating circumstance;
no lawyers fees, no second chance! |
Jorlin
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Posted - 2004.12.18 14:41:00 -
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i just hope projectiles get balanced before missiles.
else i'm on the wrong end of the foodchain from my point of view
no police, no summons, no courts of law;
no proper procedure, no rules of war;
no mitigating circumstance;
no lawyers fees, no second chance! |
Alex Kerwel
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Posted - 2004.12.18 15:57:00 -
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Right now defenders are working very well. A ship equipped with a single rocket launcher loaded with defenders is completely covered against 3 heavy launchers spewing missiled as long as there are defenders loaded in it. Which long term means an occasionaly hit by 2 missiles while the rocket launcher is loading. Equipping a single rocket launcher cuts seriously into the damage a missile ship is dealing, so it seems equipping 2 used interlaced would neutralize all damage dealed by a raven. I think that if missile efficiency is seriously lowered by future changes, defenders will have to be completely removed from the game and smartbombs should not destroy missiles.
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Alex Kerwel
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Posted - 2004.12.18 15:57:00 -
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Right now defenders are working very well. A ship equipped with a single rocket launcher loaded with defenders is completely covered against 3 heavy launchers spewing missiled as long as there are defenders loaded in it. Which long term means an occasionaly hit by 2 missiles while the rocket launcher is loading. Equipping a single rocket launcher cuts seriously into the damage a missile ship is dealing, so it seems equipping 2 used interlaced would neutralize all damage dealed by a raven. I think that if missile efficiency is seriously lowered by future changes, defenders will have to be completely removed from the game and smartbombs should not destroy missiles.
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