Originally by: Furb Killer

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As long as there is no reason given there is no reason to assume she did something worse than lark. Maybe she was also asked to resign but refused. Lark attempted to get ingame advantage using his CSM info, if ankh just leaked something it isnt as bad imo. But that is pretty pointless speculation.

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Originally by: Nareg Maxence

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In her blog, Eva discusses measures that CCP are planing to implement to reduce lag. She mentions two specific actions that they are planing. Since this is technical insider knowledge, I am pretty sure this is covered by the NDA.

You can read her blog at: http://eve-takecare.net/

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Originally by: Hegbard

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Just a general FYI; she was *not* kicked over stuff mentioned in her CSM blog.

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It sounds like you know what was breached and through saying what that information is not you have narrowed the search space and through that also disclosed confidential information thereby breaching the NDA yourself.

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Originally by: Zelda Wei

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So she got kicked for breaching the NDA with her inconvenient blog, but she's not the only CSM to write a blog. So we must wonder why she has been singled out. To bystanders (I voted for some body else) this looks like the hate campaign succeeded.

I guess those Haters gotta Hate

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Image changed to URL. Zymurgist

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Originally by: Radgette

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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal

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I want to emphasise that the NDA breach was not related to CSM5, and happened well before Ank took office in CSM5.

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i don't particularly like the way ankh does things or the way it's reported she was acting at the summit BUT this just seems too convenient to me tbh,
right after CCP gets bad press from the CSM the one who wrote the first blog against them suddenly has some 2 year old NDA breach noticed and actioned against, thats some awesome timing right there tbh

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Originally by: Sniffy McJiggles

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If her blog is even 50% accurate then the csm is nothing more than a trip to Iceland.

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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding

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Empire simply has to vote for a better candidate next time.

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Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku

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Look, no one, not even Finn, opposed Ankh's candidacy more than I did. That said I simply do not trust CCP here, especially not after T20. For CCP to sack a CSM member not long after she made a very vocal blog post excoriating them simply does not seem kosher. Yes, Finn is correct that they have absolutely every right to do so, but then I have every right to give a .44 Magnum a blowjob--it doesn't mean that I should. CCP should give the players at least SOME kind of further information if at all possible, for their own PR as much as anything else.

Frankly, at this point, I don't know which of them to trust less.

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: Nareg Maxence

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In her blog, Eva discusses measures that CCP are planing to implement to reduce lag. She mentions two specific actions that they are planing. Since this is technical insider knowledge, I am pretty sure this is covered by the NDA.

You can read her blog at: http://eve-takecare.net/

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Just a general FYI; she was *not* kicked over stuff mentioned in her CSM blog.

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You said that earlier, quickly followed by a post saying you were just guessing and had no idea. So what is it this time, do you actually have information we dont have or are you guessing again?

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Originally by: Clovermite

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While it is their official policy, and legal right, to stay quiet, it definitely does not do well for them PR wise.

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Originally by: Alghu Karaolum

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The ball is in CCP's side now, why was the second most voted CSM booted?

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Originally by: Alghu Karaolum

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Does this exoneration have something to do with her critical stance?

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Originally by: Shakon

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Anyway CSM was just away for some fanbois to get free trips anyway. As for them makeing remarks against ccp in blogs? HAHHAHAHA if you guys call that critizing Let me send yall a copy of Barny the purple Dino so yall can sing along.

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Originally by: Shakon

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Sok Bandwagon? you mean the one you got on to even GET on the CSM for a free trip?

Typical fanboi response just what i expected from one.

I notice most of the bandwagon is the ones attacking ank( cant spell and had no idea she was european which explains alot).

Seems most of you are just mad the person got more votes from individual players than your tight little groups of block voters. AH well got to love hypocrits especially ones posting about a single person thats no worse than they are them selves.

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Originally by: Shakon

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Now back to the topic why all the hatred? Granted some idiotic rants and posts but no worse than 2/3rds of the stuff you see on eve forums.
SO from where i sit(personal opinion unlike most posters here i dont claim to speak for all of eve)you guys just did not like the fact ank got so many votes is all i can figure out.
IF ank broke the rules fine but seems kind of fishie for CCP not to state the reason. But then again CSM being what it is a neat little stunt for PR only i can see why they dont care.

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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You really think CSM is anything more than (failed) PR stunt?

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Originally by: Tar Getdummy

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Until I get proved wrong, I will stay with the conviction, that eva was just not eve enough to carry the fig leaf, pretending that ccp actually followed any advice coming from the CSM. She devalued an expensive PR campaign, so they found a reason to get rid of her.

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Originally by: mazzilliu

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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel

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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab

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So, what are we going to call this very very funny scandal?

Spoongate?

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Nothing to do with any spoons, nothing to do with blogs...

Let's call it the "unfortunate departure of a controversial person for reasons that can't be made public, that lots of people are happy about (and others not so much)"

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not catchy enough, i like spoongate better

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Originally by: Bin Matar

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**** Ankhgate we should name it Ankhmas. That wonderful time of the year When Father Ankhmas flies all around the EvE universe in a Mini drawn behind a team whiteknights and carebears delivering lols to all the good boys and girls.

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Originally by: Cobalt Sixty

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Originally by: Madner Kami

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How mature of you, Sokratesz. How about getting yourself a shower and cooling your head down a bit? Ankh isn't really a perfect CSM (or was), but you certainly should do better then that.

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OH MY GOD SOKRATESZ, WHY AREN'T YOU BEHAVING MORE APPROPRIATELY? LIKE BY WAILING AND GNASHING YOUR TEETH AND PULLING YOUR HAIR OUT.

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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CCP claims that the idea of the CSM is a better communication between players and CCP. Then it is kinda weird not communicate about the CSM to the players if the entire idea was to communicate.

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Originally by: Shakon

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Thats funny CSM has no fanbois err you do know Ank was the only one not elected by block voters right?
Trusting people put in buy macro ratting 0.0 alliances which always claim theres no macro ratting in 0.0 Is probably the best joke i have heard this year.

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Originally by: Shakon

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Actually all you had to do was read CSM results and the posts leading up to it to see that Tea.

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Originally by: JC Anderson

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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I, too, dislike everything there is about Sokratesz.

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In other news, the baby frog in my aquarium just ate a fly, he looked super happy about it too ^^

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Sorry to say, but I hate your frog.

I simply do not feel as if I'm fitting in until I declare my hatred for _SOMETHING_. Sadly, I am more familiar with frogs than I am with any of the current CSM and I find it hard to hate somebody I know little about.

Now on to the topic of empire dwellers such as myself....

Don't assume we are all of the same mindset or motivation simply because we choose to remain in high security space. We all pay to play this game and we all care enough to deserve equal respect when it comes to our views on the future of Eve.

In 06 I lived in 0.0 as part of the ASCN with the Merchant Marines. After that period we went to KOS and not long after I became CEO of the corp. I handed the reigns off to another player due to time constraints on my end. Eventually I ended up back in the NPC corp DCMI and this is where I have remained for just over a year now.

Surprisingly enough I've been having a blast. I enjoyed 0.0 quite a bit but have enjoyed helping new players in DCMI even more. I often run into other former ASCN members that are in the same boat as myself and have also decided to remain in empire for the time being.

Ankhesentapemkah secured so many votes because she concentrated on garnering the respect of hi-sec players who normally are all but ignored during CSM campaigns. In doing so she ended up being favored by a large number of players who likely wouldn't have voted at all under normal circumstances.

I however did not vote for the Queen Of Spoons due to some of her off kilter remarks about player pirates and her volatile nature when dealing with those who did not share her views. I've never had anything against players who choose to plunder and pillage. They pay to play the game just as I do and have every right to do so in whatever way they enjoy most. In all honesty I doubt the game would be nearly as fun without having to look over my shoulder and be paranoid. But that's neither here nor there.

Despite not voting for her myself, I can see why others did. It's just a shame that she had to be such an unstable individual. Its worth pointing out that with the numbers she brought in, you can be sure that other empire dwellers will be encouraged to step forth as potential CSM's in the next election. With that in mind, it would be foolish for ANY future candidate to ignore the high security voters.

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Originally by: Delilah Wild

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It could be that Ank made a serious breach of the non-disclosure agreement, and CCP with all due legal diligence announced her departure from the CSM in a well coordinated and strategized manner.

Or it could be that someone in CCP made a mistake, jumped the gun, and CCP is now trying to quietly clean up the mess.

We don't know, and without an evidentiary finding from some credible source, the allegation that she violated a DNR remains just that, an allegation.

I'm not trying to say that transparency and accountability on the part of CCP is unimportant, or that representative bodies like the CSM do not raise issues that transcend narrow legal interpretations of what a corporation can, should or ought to do. But we are all in the dark here.

Until that changes, one can only speculate. I doubt that is a good use of our time.

Delilah

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Originally by: NereSky

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: Delilah Wild

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It could be that Ank made a serious breach of the non-disclosure agreement, and CCP with all due legal diligence announced her departure from the CSM in a well coordinated and strategized manner.

Or it could be that someone in CCP made a mistake, jumped the gun, and CCP is now trying to quietly clean up the mess.

We don't know, and without an evidentiary finding from some credible source, the allegation that she violated a DNR remains just that, an allegation.

I'm not trying to say that transparency and accountability on the part of CCP is unimportant, or that representative bodies like the CSM do not raise issues that transcend narrow legal interpretations of what a corporation can, should or ought to do. But we are all in the dark here.

Until that changes, one can only speculate. I doubt that is a good use of our time.

Delilah

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Why do you so desperately *want* there to be something that incriminates CCP? Is it so hard to believe that the love of your life has done something wrong?

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Why is the rest of the CSM trolling/flaming this , just let the thread die and get forgotten as most threads of this type are

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Originally by: Shawna Gray

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Because Delilah is Ankhes alt. Its not the first time she has used alts to defend herself.

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Originally by: Delilah Wild

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Well, Sokratesz, the answer is simple.

Like others on this thread, I care about fairness both in-game and out.

A rush to judgment aptly demonstrate why we do not leave important ethical, legal and policy decisions up to crowds.

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Originally by: Delilah Wild

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I'm not sure you appreciate how much your continued trolling undercuts your own credibility. This is so whether Ank is guilty or innocent.

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Originally by: Delilah Wild

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Please consider that before posting next time.

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Originally by: Mel Lifera

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But do not interrupt your tirades on my account. áThere've been more tears in this single thread than I've seen in almost an entire year of ninja'ing.

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Originally by: Soy Salomon

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Originally by: Trygonus

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With as many times as Sokratesz has posted in this thread you would think he was the one removed and not Ankhesentapemkah. Anyone have a count on his post in this thread alone? He is on every page multiple times.

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Originally by: Delilah Wild

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People are probably expecting me to say something about Ankhesentapemkah's removal from the CSM by CCP. However, out of respect for CCP's request that CSM not discuss this matter with anyone other than CSM or our CCP contacts, I'm sorry to have to disappoint you. Smart people with some business insight can read between the lines of CCP's public announcement and formulate many plausible reasons why the release of more details would be a bad idea. I'll leave you to that mental exercise.

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It seems clear that Sokratesz is ignoring CCP's request, and Mynxee's common sense.

Delilah
friendsofeve.wordpress.com

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Originally by: Ebisu Kami

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Most people, like myself, are just curious why a democraticly elected member of the CSM was removed, since the electors (at least parts thereoff) wanted her to be in that position. An NDA-violation on the other hand, is a rather vague concept, that basically covers everything between stealing and selling data from a CCP-Dev-Puter, over making screenshots of the newest remodelled ships, down to accidently stepping on a post-it, that lay on the floor and ended up sticking on her shoe, with the note: "Must get new coffee-mug!!!11eleven".

End of the line is people want to get some more specific info on the breach, rather then a "because we say so", be it out of curiousity, actually valid interest or finding another reason to gloat about the hated enemy.

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Originally by: Ori Blake

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Originally by: Krecian

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Like it or not, PvP is the lynchpin of EvE. Without it, much of this game would shut down.

The basic mistake that many in the "it's a sandbox first" is making when they make their arguement is that they assume that PvP is all about blowing up spaceships. I don't they they stop and consider that the player-driven mechanics that bring PvP to other areas of the game.

-Ever jump into a belt to mine only to find it's been stripped of every rock? You just got "PvP'd" by your competition.
-Ever find your buy orders massivly undercut? You just got PvP'd by your competition.
-Jump back into your mission to find your salvage gone? You just got PvP'd by a ninja-salvager.

PvP simply means "Player versus Player". While blowing up each other's ships is a part of this, it's not the only PvP aspect of the game. Every part of EvE is affected by this. Even on the basic level - who is going to buy your barges if they aren't blown up? To pretend that PvP is just an "Addon" to the game is to be willfully ignorant of something that should be plain as day.

To adjust this game away from it's current state to something more WoWish would be to strip it's soul and create another NGE situation in the MMO world.

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When I played FFXI I had to compete against harvesters for resources too. Did that make FFXI a PvP game? No. When I played it I also had to compete against people undercutting me at market, sometimes by a lot and we'd have price wars. That make it PvP too? I also had to compete directly against others for a split second chance at claiming a rare mob. Is it a PvP game because of that?

What about robbing the guild bank? Other games do that too, are they all PvP ones? EVE players for some odd reason extend PvP status to things which aren't.

As for PvP itself, it shouldn't be taken out or anything, but it's just not fun for a lot of EVE subscribers. It's too heavily based on numbers and size, and a lot of times its avoided either partially through metagaming or completely by running away or staying docked in station. The last two big "events" in game were suiciding mining barges and U'K getting disbanded.

I think stuff like Incarna is designed to retain people who like EVE, but PvP simply isn't enough. It's smart. Look at Aion for example-it's similar to EVE in being a heavily PvP focused game with less PvE and it's struggling.

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Originally by: Hairy Bum

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Originally by: Malcanis

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So in short you cannot provide a single specific example to back up your accusation that the CSM promote their own petty wants? You could have just typed "No" instead of 300 words of flim-flam and fallacy

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But flim-flam and fallacy is the modus operandi in here, typing "No" would of been going against the grain of "debate" in here.

Anyway, why should any proof be provided to back up any assertions I make, it's not as if anyone else does, and it's not as if anyone else really cares (I know I for one don't and just do this for the comedy and laughs)

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Originally by: Nylan Faust

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OMG!!! CCP put a hit out on her and she's had to go underground! She's currently co-habitating with militant kangaroos that have set up camp in the hills of Appalachia!!

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Originally by: Extreme

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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

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Thread cleaned of some trolling

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thats alot of work in this thread

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Originally by: El'Niaga

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There was an Eva Jobse that ran on a third party ticket in her homeland. It is possible she's moved onto politics in real life.

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I'm pretty sure she got more votes for the CSM than for the seat in parliament (in absolute numbers).

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