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Aralieus
Amarr
The Inf1dels
En Garde
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Posted - 2010.07.09 01:18:00 -
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kk, ony going to say this once (don't want to **** on your chips too much) HTFU...
Fortune favors the bold!!!
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken-Tyler Durden |
Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:09:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: neferosis
CCP why not invest your earnings to make a more enjoyable game to play, lag-free. I see on like every site you have plenty of money spent to get subscriptions, buddy program etc. You guys seem to have shifted to milking out of the company instead of reinvesting into it which makes me sad. :(
You're terribly wrong. I can confirm that lag is there, but they are doing something about it - it just takes time (maybe too much time for someone, but still). Read the dev blogs more often and you'll see just how much they invest in this game. Also, two free expansions every year is not investing?
Originally by: neferosis
Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard and would eliminate ALL lag because you can process commands much faster in C++. Why would you ever code the server in python when C++ is much more suitable for it.
You have no clue what you're talking about here
Originally by: neferosis
I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that. But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.
Please, be my guest. I will personally switch to your bug-free game and cancel my subscription here. Also, "a month". How old are you anyway? (Don't answer that - it was a rhetorical question.) |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:12:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Toasting in a sinking ship thread.
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Lord Grimmas
Azure Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:30:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Toasting in a sinking ship thread.
Nice Boat.
Originally by: Lutz Major
From a programmers point of view: ROFLMAO!
This. Fixed it for you.
Of course, it is customary to feed the trolls. Can't believe some of you guys are dignifying the OP with a coherent reply.
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Tethraa KaiSuun
Caldari
KaiSuun Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zelkath
Edited by: Zelkath on 08/07/2010 21:44:34
Originally by: neferosis
C++ easy to code and still better than python.
Actualy it is Stackless Python. And converting Stackless Python to C++ wouldn't be as easy as you claim. Or have you built a super powerfull libary for C++ to handle microthreads and not relying on the C-stack that you will give to CCP for free?
Is it even possible to port a stackless multi-threaded app to C++? The only thing I can think of is to write it in C and completely ignore the benefit of C++ classes and use the heap instead of the stack. But doing so would mean that you would have to write your own scheduling system that handles the communication between the threads without the use of stack pointers.
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AlZuma
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: neferosis
Can you please recode python into C++...
Its not a python its Stackless Python.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.09 05:23:00 -
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Quote:
Whoever did market coding he did a surprising job compared to people in the past. In apple if you coded like this you would be fired on the spot.
Just by admitting you have the source code to eve is both a ban-able and criminal offense. By admitting you don't have the source code to eve the op means jack ****.
In the immortal words of Lawrence Tierney;
"Whats it gonna be Mr. Pink, my way or the highway?
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Rabid Longcat
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Raimus Kallenden
Originally by: neferosis
Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard
LOL. You're ridiculous.
FYI: Its rediculous not ridiculous?
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Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lutz Major
From a programmers point of view: LOL!
This, essentially :)
OP - If you think that C++ is automagically faster then Python, get a new career. Away from computers.
2nd, its been stated by CCP many times, that the stuff that needs to be C++ is, and the stuff that doesn't, isn't.
TL;DR? It's much easier to make slow/bad code in C++ then Python. Stackless Python is even harder to fubar.
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Elysarian
Minmatar
dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:37:00 -
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Contract with apple?
The OP writes iPhone apps in his bedroom doesn't he? 
Oh, and many of the replies on this thread are true (lots saying the same thing in different ways tbh).
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You'wot
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:50:00 -
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It's quite obvious that CCP needs to upgrade to Anacondas as the Pythons are not performing stacked or not.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:56:00 -
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fyi http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=220
put up or shut up
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The Crushah
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:56:00 -
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Facepalm at OP who thinks doing contract programming work qualifies him to make good business or project management decisions.
Bottom line: Its not in CCP's best interests as a business to even think about rewriting the code. A simple cost benefit analysis would bear that out.
Theres a balance between retaining existing customers and attracting new customers. Again from a business point of view, CCP needs to attract new customers and they do this with new content. DUST and Incarna are perfect examples of new content that will attract new customers. Yes, the existing playerbase would benefit perhaps from an improvment in lag. However, what percentage of existing players actually encounter a lag issue. Usually the lag monster occurs during large fleet battles in 0.0 or low sec. Based on the numbers that CCP puts out occasionally on playerbase that live in these areas, its a minority percentage. CCP has to decide how important it is to appease this minority, who are very vocal btw.
tl;dr Its best if you stick to being told what to program rather than making project management decisions.
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smertz
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:06:00 -
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CCP -- can you please recode the client in fortran. I was thinking hard about this the other night have lag caused my hulk to be ganked and I realized that the client must have to to a lot of calculations to model all the planets stars, wormholes, warp speed, etc and I heard that fortran has great libraries for doing this. I bet if you were doing all of these calculations in fortan it would be a lot faster.
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JamesTalon
Caldari
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:37:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Toasting in a sinking ship thread.
Love the sig, he will be missed :(
Originally by: nerfosis
CCP why not invest your earnings to make a more enjoyable game to play, lag-free. I see on like every site you have plenty of money spent to get subscriptions, buddy program etc. You guys seem to have shifted to milking out of the company instead of reinvesting into it which makes me sad. :(
Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard and would eliminate ALL lag because you can process commands much faster in C++. Why would you ever code the server in python when C++ is much more suitable for it.
I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that. But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.
Oh oh oh, let me try one!
"Hello, I took a couple classes in high school, and my teacher told me that C++ is the holy grail of programming languages, why don't you use C++ for all your code since its obviously superior in every way to python. I know I don't anything, and I an contracted by IBM, so I can't actually do this for you, even though I could do it in record times, but you need to hire people like me"
Bah, be gone.
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"Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in SightblinderĘs eye on the Last Day." - Robert Jordan |
Dr Schadenfreude
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Posted - 2010.07.10 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: neferosis
I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs.
False. Eve is server + Client devs, graphics artists, build masters, oftware QA guy (whitebox, blackbox, etc), etc.. a sum of its parts. If you cant do EVERYTING - Dev, Art, QA, Ops, etc, you cant do this. And nobody can do it in one month, that statement is absurd. And nobody right perfect code for an entire project, that why QA teams even EXIST.
Originally by: neferosis
Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that.
Your lieing. I have connections at Apple and they have been trying to hire me for years, and you dont eem to fit the profile. From you above statements alone, it is clear you don't have the technical skills you claim. The clear idiocy and lack of professional knowledge and experience your post shows is epic in its clarity.
Originally by: neferosis
But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.
I work at a very large (Publicly Traded, etc, etc) software company, and even our best people - we have offices all over the world - could not re-create eve in only a month. You clearly have never actually worked in the software industry.
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Domonique Molvoy
Exploitation Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Im pretty sure the op is an idiot.
Domonique Molvoy
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.07.10 04:53:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 10/07/2010 04:55:14
Originally by: Rabid Longcat
Originally by: Raimus Kallenden
Originally by: neferosis
Can you please recode python into C++... its seriously not that hard
LOL. You're ridiculous.
FYI: Its rediculous not ridiculous?
Hoping (for your sake) that you're trying to be funny or ironic...
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Sol Lethe
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sol Lethe on 10/07/2010 05:15:27
Needs more Haskell IMHO.
http://learnyouahaskell.com/
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drag icefire
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:15:00 -
[50]
Originally by: neferosis
I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. .
oh dear lord *facepalm*
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:23:00 -
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at somepoint didn't they say they wrote most of the server in python but have gone back and rewritten all the heavy lifting parts in c?
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:30:00 -
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HEY GAIZ WHY DUNT WE SITCH EVES CWODING TO RATTTTTTTTLESNAKEE INSTEAD?!!!!!?! TEY R SOZ MUC BETTA DAN PYTONS.
I CUD DO EET N 1 WEEK TOP WIT NO INSEXTS
o ya n i wurk 4 granny smith
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SirRalph
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: neferosis
I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs. Unfortunately I have a contract with apple at the moment so I can't help you with that. But there are plenty of people at that skill level that can in the workforce.
Over 500 000 lines of code transferred from python to C++ less than month?
LMFAO 
YOU, FOOL, DON'T HAVE A CLUE, AT ALL!
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:40:00 -
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you claim to work for apple and yet you recommend to use c++
(as opposed to recommending obj c)
this does not add up.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:47:00 -
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I had done something related with a friend.
He can code in pascal, c++ and php.
I can Python, C/C++.
He claimed Python would be way too slow to do things so we madea little competition.
I would make a Python program including GUi, that does a (rather simple) computation task and he would do the same in C++.
I made the app in Python, except for the core computation, I wrote that in C and made it an Python Extension.
We then benchmarked both applications, and my Python program won by a small margin. Probably because of C instead of C++.
Nice Sidenote:
I didnt even once scream bad language while he was rather frustrated at the GUI Module he chose. While I just programmed it in about an hour, he took several.
TL:DR: If done right, Python is faster than C++
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Ardetia
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.10 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ardetia on 10/07/2010 08:12:14
all i see are:
1. people underestimating the complexity of mesh networking
2. people overestimating python _scripting language_ look it up please.
3. eliminating external lag is impossible by definition :) but, coding server in c potentially reduces load
4. 1 month my ass.. make it 6 months, with daily builds
i doubt, for what its worth, their server is running on python
and finally, going from python to c++, how is that a worthwhile improvement? you mean asm/c for the core?
Tethraa KaiSuun is the only poster here who had a clue
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.10 08:27:00 -
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I have 17 lines of qbasic, how can I help?
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.07.10 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Amerilia on 10/07/2010 08:36:16
Originally by: Ardetia
Edited by: Ardetia on 10/07/2010 08:12:14
all i see are:
1. people underestimating the complexity of mesh networking
2. people overestimating python _scripting language_ look it up please.
3. eliminating external lag is impossible by definition :) but, coding server in c potentially reduces load
4. 1 month my ass.. make it 6 months, with daily builds
i doubt, for what its worth, their server is running on python
and finally, going from python to c++, how is that a worthwhile improvement? you mean asm/c for the core?
Tethraa KaiSuun is the only poster here who had a clue
You dont have a clue either - their server does use Stackless Python
Aldo instead of just "looking up" a scripting language, how about using it and seeing for yourself?
Also make sure to stop by Psyco, PyPy and Pyrex, along others, that can make or aim at making Python quite fast.
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Ardetia
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ardetia on 10/07/2010 09:17:41
Originally by: Amerilia
Edited by: Amerilia on 10/07/2010 08:36:16
Originally by: Ardetia
Edited by: Ardetia on 10/07/2010 08:12:14
all i see are:
1. people underestimating the complexity of mesh networking
2. people overestimating python _scripting language_ look it up please.
3. eliminating external lag is impossible by definition :) but, coding server in c potentially reduces load
4. 1 month my ass.. make it 6 months, with daily builds
i doubt, for what its worth, their server is running on python
and finally, going from python to c++, how is that a worthwhile improvement? you mean asm/c for the core?
Tethraa KaiSuun is the only poster here who had a clue
You dont have a clue either - their server does use Stackless Python
Aldo instead of just "looking up" a scripting language, how about using it and seeing for yourself?
Also make sure to stop by Psyco, PyPy and Pyrex, along others, that can make or aim at making Python quite fast.
so they're not actually using python the scripting language?
because scripting by definition means real-time translation of commands which is effectively a bottleneck no matter how well you do it
instead im seeing ie. pypy as a work in progress where python is compiled into native code
aiming at making something quite fast, is not good enough for a world-class mmo
i suggest you step back and review reality
asm/c is the fastest solution to anything and everything, it always will be
any non-native solution will always be second rate, but they aim to make it easier to work with
now, im not saying they should replace SQL, because i dont, but _again_ i very much doubt their core facets are in fact python _script_
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: neferosis
I could code all of eve in C++ in less than a month with no visible bugs.
You have 30 days. Go go go!
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