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Researcher Anabiosis	Posted - 2010.07.09 05:12:00 - [1] possibly a dumb question to many of you but i see a lot of comments about how rockets are broken but I don't understand exactly how - can someone fill me in? thanks (and no, not a troll, I genuinely don't know "how" or "why" they are broken)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.09 05:20:00 - [2] They lack the trails since their removal, and we want them trails back! Also station orbit! Else I have no idea. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amaterasu Renquist Amarr United Miners and Manufacturers Co. Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.07.09 05:55:00 - [3] the biggest problem with rockets is (and this is in my opinion) Damage, pure and simple, at this point a rocket inty/rocket Dictor is ridiculously weak compared to any other weapon system. For example a saber could pop 5 heretics easy without blinking cause the heretics simply dont have the damageoutput to hit a dent in the saber if they use there main weaponsystem that is rockets.
inri reformed	Posted - 2010.07.09 06:03:00 - [4] very poor raw dps coupled with the horendous exp velocity meaning that most firgates will still take a damage reduction while dual webbed
Kesta Sovek Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.07.09 07:04:00 - [5] Yeah explosion velocity is what I heard. It's a frigate weapon that can't kill frigates.
Lanxman	Posted - 2010.07.09 07:31:00 - [6] This is the place to go for all the answers: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1005679 iirc the major problem is that rockets suck at hurting small, fast targets when frigates ought to be their natural prey.
Researcher Anabiosis	Posted - 2010.07.09 07:37:00 - [7] Thanks for all the replies.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.07.09 07:39:00 - [8] unbonused autocannons do significantly more dps than bonused rockets.
HarrietMiers I'M ON A BOAT	Posted - 2010.07.09 07:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Felix Esperium unbonused autocannons do significantly more dps than bonused rockets. Bingo.
CanI haveyourstuff	Posted - 2010.07.09 08:42:00 - [10] about 2? years ago ccp broke rockets and nerfed torps etc in general to kill "raven as ultimate mission ship" torps did like 150km 2 years ago, now only 30ish... i was AFK about one year and now today... 2 years later when ccp fcked up rockets, they are still broken. I mean.. wth ccp? how long will it take or what must happen inorder that you ALREADY fix it? its so hard right? how hard is it to take spreadsheets.. do some math and balance all same type/class ships around it? really?

Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.07.09 08:48:00 - [11] ccp logic: Rockets are crap and need fixing, nobody uses rockets are crap thus no reason to fix them \o/ this is why black ops suck(ed) for such a long time
Plokk	Posted - 2010.07.11 05:18:00 - [12] Seeing as Caldari , in general , are , and always have been nerfed to hell and back ... why worry about another Caldari useless weapon system now ? And people wonder why Caldari are so weak in PvP :/ 'Rocket Science ' CCP ??? ;)
Baillif Red Mist Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.11 05:48:00 - [13] I once attempted to suicide bomb a bar in Jita 4-4 with a rocket warhead strapped to myself in protest of broken rockets. Unfortunately anyone who was not totally motionless speed tanked the explosion by walking or running away. I was running into the bar screaming and also survived the explosion with only a minor singeing of the ass hairs.
Sma da'Marenhide	Posted - 2010.07.11 06:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Baillif I once attempted to suicide bomb a bar in Jita 4-4 with a rocket warhead strapped to myself in protest of broken rockets. Unfortunately anyone who was not totally motionless speed tanked the explosion by walking or running away. I was running into the bar screaming and also survived the explosion with only a minor singeing of the ass hairs.
THERisingPHOENIX Caldari Kaleidascopic Military Association	Posted - 2010.07.12 00:05:00 - [15] Edited by: THERisingPHOENIX on 12/07/2010 00:05:25 Originally by: Baillif I once attempted to suicide bomb a bar in Jita 4-4 with a rocket warhead strapped to myself in protest of broken rockets. Unfortunately anyone who was not totally motionless speed tanked the explosion by walking or running away. I was running into the bar screaming and also survived the explosion with only a minor singeing of the ass hairs.
Daool	Posted - 2010.07.12 06:09:00 - [16] Where does the stated idea that Rockets are meant to kill Frigates come from? I couldn't find it in the weapon descriptions but admitedly didn't look real hard. I mean, I know they go ON frigates as mentioned, but that doesn't mena they are meant to be shot AT frigates. I assume the 'inspiration' for them as a weapon is either the likes of the old WW2 air-to air rockest (meant for firing from fighters at big dumb and slow bomber formations), orpossibly later air-to-ground rockets (meant for firing and dumb and slow ground targets). So from that (and weapon charachteristics) perhaps they are meant as massed frig fleets vs big dumb and slow BS target? I wouldn't know, never fitted one probbably never will but saw the thread.
Aion Amarra Minmatar Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.12 06:21:00 - [17] Edited by: Aion Amarra on 12/07/2010 06:21:59 Originally by: Daool So from that (and weapon charachteristics) perhaps they are meant as massed frig fleets vs big dumb and slow BS target? I wouldn't know, never fitted one probbably never will but saw the thread. Well, their explosion velocity is so low that you need a webber to even hit a cruiser that tries to moonwalk away from you backwards (as in, flies somewhere without afterburner or MWD) semi-decently. And even then, the absurdly short flight time combined with not-perfect agility makes a depressing amount of the darn things miss. You're better off fitting a vengeance with blasters than with rockets.
Kesta Sovek Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.07.12 06:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Daool Where does the stated idea that Rockets are meant to kill Frigates come from? I couldn't find it in the weapon descriptions but admitedly didn't look real hard. I mean, I know they go ON frigates as mentioned, but that doesn't mena they are meant to be shot AT frigates. I assume the 'inspiration' for them as a weapon is either the likes of the old WW2 air-to air rockest (meant for firing from fighters at big dumb and slow bomber formations), orpossibly later air-to-ground rockets (meant for firing and dumb and slow ground targets). So from that (and weapon charachteristics) perhaps they are meant as massed frig fleets vs big dumb and slow BS target? I wouldn't know, never fitted one probbably never will but saw the thread. In Eve all weapon sizes are best at killing same size ships. Target something too big and not enough DPS. Target something too small and not enough accuracy. That's how Eve works for every other weapon in the game. Why would they randomly make rockets the sole exception to that rule?
Andreya Red Federation	Posted - 2010.07.12 09:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Baillif I once attempted to suicide bomb a bar in Jita 4-4 with a rocket warhead strapped to myself in protest of broken rockets. Unfortunately anyone who was not totally motionless speed tanked the explosion by walking or running away. I was running into the bar screaming and also survived the explosion with only a minor singeing of the ass hairs. lol, we really need and 'upvote' 'downvote' button in these forums _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Daool	Posted - 2010.07.12 10:37:00 - [20] "In Eve all weapon sizes are best at killing same size ships. Target something too big and not enough DPS. Target something too small and not enough accuracy. That's how Eve works for every other weapon in the game. Why would they randomly make rockets the sole exception to that rule?" Doesn't the rocket descriptions have all over them that it is a low DPS weapoin, and meant to be a suplement to a primary weapon system? Also, not sure the scenario of every other weapon is relevent. Particularly if the 'inspiration' for the rockets is their real world counterparts as I say above.

Vee Raa Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.07.12 10:43:00 - [21] They don't rock So you could, regarding the name, consider it as a good thought out scam by CCP.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.12 10:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Daool Doesn't the rocket descriptions have all over them that it is a low DPS weapoin, and meant to be a suplement to a primary weapon system? No. In particular since they are the primary weapon system for a lot of ships, and since they are the short-range version of frigate-sized missiles in a game where the one consistency across all weapons platform is that lower range → higher DPS. Quote: Also, not sure the scenario of every other weapon is relevent. Particularly if the 'inspiration' for the rockets is their real world counterparts as I say above. If that is their inspiration, they are pointless since the scenario you describe doesn't exist in the game. Thus, they need to be changed regardless. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jason1138	Posted - 2010.07.12 11:25:00 - [23] As stated, with every other weapons system in the game, shorter range means more dps with rockets, you get an 8km range and half the dps of standard missiles or small rails it would be like having cruise missiles with 15km range or torps with 200km range. why would anyone ever fit the cruise? they need to either 1) up rocket damage big time or 2) up rocket range big time, or 3) give all the ships in the game with rocket bonuses a bonus for something else instead
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.07.12 12:55:00 - [24] Basically they have crap DPS. The are a short range, underpowered weapon with no special strength. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.12 13:13:00 - [25] Rockets: Low dps, poor explosion velocity, too big fitting requirements. All around a worthless weapon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.07.12 13:28:00 - [26] I trained up rocket specialisation to 4 and all of the complimentory skills to at least 4 for the vengence wich also gets a 5% bounus to rocket damage per level. According to EFT I can get 81 DPS using 4 rocket launcher IIs with faction rockets , in practice this is much much lower. Using 3 unbonused t2 200mm autocannons with faction ammo and a small missile launcher II I can get 93 DPS which in practice is not far off the EFT total. I want to use the vengence,I love the little ship but untill rockets are fixed I might as well stick to my caracals.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.07.12 13:35:00 - [27] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 12/07/2010 13:35:07 Originally by: Daool "In Eve all weapon sizes are best at killing same size ships. Target something too big and not enough DPS. Target something too small and not enough accuracy. That's how Eve works for every other weapon in the game. Why would they randomly make rockets the sole exception to that rule?" Doesn't the rocket descriptions have all over them that it is a low DPS weapoin, and meant to be a suplement to a primary weapon system? Also, not sure the scenario of every other weapon is relevent. Particularly if the 'inspiration' for the rockets is their real world counterparts as I say above. You're an idiot. I could pick apart your post to explain exactly why you're an idiot, but frankly you're just not worth the time. Actually no, you deserve it, hang on... _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
Xavier Zedicus Aliastra	Posted - 2010.07.12 14:07:00 - [28] I put defender missiles in rocket launchers since they have the fastest rof.
HalogenWraith Caldari Veteran Defense Initiative	Posted - 2010.07.12 14:46:00 - [29] Obligatory rocket thread post The navy hookbill takes 3 minutes to kill a double webbed rifter. If the rifter gets in NOS range the time to kill jumps up to 7 minutes. Don't forget we are talking about a faction frigate.
Exploding Tukey Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.12 15:49:00 - [30] Rockets are awesome unless you get the pesky nano-battleship. then the speed tanking begins. <Signature Type="Clever" Width=100% Height=5 Edible="No" />



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