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Aglais Caldari	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:16:00 - [1] Why does everyone say they're so horrible at PvP, except the Drake and Falcon? :\ I feel like a ****** trying to bring a Caracal to PvP encounters because of it. Is there some underlying megaweakness to Caldari missileboats, which seem to get less positive attention than the Sacrilege or a HAM Legion? Sorry if this is the wrong board. It loosely has to do with ships though.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:24:00 - [2] Personaly I find the caracal to be the best t1 cruiser in the game.
Meeko Atari	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Aglais Why does everyone say they're so horrible at PvP, except the Drake and Falcon? :\ I feel like a ****** trying to bring a Caracal to PvP encounters because of it. Is there some underlying megaweakness to Caldari missileboats, which seem to get less positive attention than the Sacrilege or a HAM Legion? Sorry if this is the wrong board. It loosely has to do with ships though. Caldari are not soo bad at PVP, just not so good at solo PVP They have great small gang support ships but in larger fleets are less effective because of delayed / low damage and the inability to effectively armor tank ( armor being the preferred method of tanking for large fleets ) But small fast roaming shield gangs with Logi support are very dangerous, Caldari ships do fit in that roll nicely Who cares what people say, fly what you want!
Arrador	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:29:00 - [4] Originally by: baltec1 Personaly I find the caracal to be the best t1 cruiser in the game. I love me caracals.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:32:00 - [5] IIRC 10 Caracals won an alliance tournament once. Caldari isn't bad at PVP - they're "bad" at solo PVP. And even that they're not so bad at. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Arrador	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Liang Nuren IIRC 10 Caracals won an alliance tournament once. Caldari isn't bad at PVP - they're "bad" at solo PVP. And even that they're not so bad at. -Liang eh, I guess I really suck at flying caracals then.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Arrador eh, I guess I really suck at flying caracals then. Well, the caracals in question were using massive amounts of damps (pre-nerf) and started at range. 10 gank fit HML Caracals is actually a fair amount of damage. What really ends up kicking people's ass is that they want to fly the Caracal like they would a rail Thorax or something. I mean, yeah... the Caracal could use some more grid (hello CCP, the M in MWD is Mandatory... stop ***ing with me on this!). But it's not a bad ship. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum **** Extraordinaire
Sulia Aren Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.07.09 21:18:00 - [8] Related to OP's topic, i'm looking for a t1 cruiser hull for low sec exploration site clearing (not the scanning bit, that's what my heron is for) that will also be suitable for pvp. Is the Moa or Caracal a better candidate for this? I havent invested much in either missile or gunnery skils (newbie) yet, so i'm not leaning one way or the other.
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.07.09 21:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Liang Nuren IIRC 10 Caracals won an alliance tournament once. Caldari isn't bad at PVP - they're "bad" at solo PVP. And even that they're not so bad at. -Liang If you're talking about that match where BoB lost in the finals and a big upset and all that, it was 10 Thoraxes, not Caracals. Even so, still T1 Cruiser... Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.09 21:34:00 - [10] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 09/07/2010 21:34:07 Originally by: Stick Cult If you're talking about that match where BoB lost in the finals and a big upset and all that, it was 10 Thoraxes, not Caracals. Even so, still T1 Cruiser... There was definitely a 10 caracal damp blob. CCP Oveur was on the set when it happened and he was visibly upset and strongly hinted at a damp nerf. -Liang Ed: And yes, I remember the 10 Thorax blob too. IIRC they sported 5 Med ECM drones each. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire

Noisrevbus Caldari Breams Gone Wild	Posted - 2010.07.09 22:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Noisrevbus on 09/07/2010 22:47:47 Edited by: Noisrevbus on 09/07/2010 22:44:11 The reason people say that they are bad is because, barring the Drake (and Tengu, but that apply to all T3 and their modular approach), few Caldari ships fit into the most popular gangs within each bracket. You can obviously do out of the box things with Caldari ships and do it well, but they remain unconventional. In the past, the word 'nische' was a popular term to label some Caldari ships - as the game has progressed, that's become more applicable to the entire race. Outside of the Drake, gangs that apply "big shield tanks" are rare, gangs that fight over "extreme ranges" (150+) are rare and so on... The nische also mean that Caldari tend to play best with Caldari. The whole "they are gang ships" doesn't really sit right. Once you have a gang centered around a Caldari ship, other Caldari ships may see the light of day as well. If you have a Drake gang, you might bring a Vulture (and an Onyx). You don't really bring a Vulture to other shield gangs (nano, sniper), as it doesn't really fit in. It's not fast enough to be in a nano gang, and despite tanking bonuses to the gangs' common choice of tank it doesn't fit into a sniper gang either - because it's not fast/agile enough and not a good enough sniper on it's own (despite ship bonuses). It would be interesting to see what kind of gangs the "it's a gang ship" proclaimers see Caldari ships fly in, frequently, barring Drake/BC gangs. When push comes to shove, the Drake is the only Caldari ship that have a wide array of application and can adapt to different surroundings. All the other ships have some place where they might fit in okay (Falcon, Rook - and Blackbird, Caracal). Another observation is that the other classes have certain ships that hybrid well into shield gangs (Curse, Zealot, Ishtar, Lach), but Caldari lack ships that can amass a 40k+ armor tank. As mentioned above, you can of course come up with interesting stuff, such as active tanked CS/T3 gangs with Basilisks or active shield BS, w/e. That remains out of the box though. A gang goes for speed - Caldari don't really fit in. A gang goes for range - Caldari don't really fit in. A gang goes for armor - Caldari don't really fit in. See the pattern? A gang goes for a nische - like a stealthy gang, Caldari do fit in as it's centered around a class of ships (ie., cloaks). Luckily, all races have Bombers, Dictors and other slated ships that take the edge off :).
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:07:00 - [12] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 09/07/2010 23:07:55 Originally by: Noisrevbus It would be interesting to see what kind of gangs the "it's a gang ship" proclaimers see Caldari ships fly in, frequently, barring Drake/BC gangs. In PVP (order of frequency): Raven, Drake, Scorpion, Crow, Manticore, Falcon, Harpy, Blackbird, Ferox, Nighthawk, Basilisk, Kestrel, Merlin, Widow, Rook, Eagle, Cerb... -Liang Ed: Raven, Drake, Scorp, and Crow are really heavily used, but the Manticore and Falcon aren't terribly far behind. ;-) -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Sonya Kranz	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:57:00 - [13] People who say caldari are horrible at PvP probably dont really have a clue about how things work, in most cases the pilots skill matters far more then the particular ship he or she is flying, if its not terrible uneven odds. That aside though, caldari ships are defenitely not bad at pvp, just not the best suited for solo pvp, and most notably not in fleets due to the caldari approach. Heavy shield tanking focus means problems with armor tanked fleets (most common for large blobs) Missiles take alot of time to travel to the target, meaning delayed damage, which also makes them all but obsolete in large fleets. The speed of caldari ships leaves to be desired too. On the other side however, the shield tank can be benefit too in other situations, plus they have some of the best EW ships out there (noone will complain about a EW scorp in fleets for example)
Johnny Santos Beginning of the End	Posted - 2010.07.10 00:53:00 - [14] Edited by: Johnny Santos on 10/07/2010 00:53:27 Here is one of the most truthful and simple answers for you: Flavor of the Month. Expanded Answer: No1 knows how to fit a ship and 95% of eve take the setups off the forums that are leaked by those that actually know how to do it. Most peeps dont know how to make a setup, however, are very capable of using a fotm setup. Caldari unique pvp solo setups are hard to come by because they are hard to run and because most people are lazy and go for the easy one which tends to be armor/speed/range ships. Caldari can do those setups, its just someone taking the time to hammer out an effective one.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Quafe Industries	Posted - 2010.07.10 01:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 10/07/2010 01:20:13 Originally by: Liang Nuren In PVP (order of frequency): Raven, Drake, Scorpion, Crow, Manticore, Falcon, Harpy, Blackbird, Ferox, Nighthawk, Basilisk, Kestrel, Merlin, Widow, Rook, Eagle, *Cerb...* -Liang Sigh :\ Loss (noun): detriment, disadvantage, or deprivation from failure to keep, have, or get: to bear the loss of a robbery. Spell it right
Kephael Caldari SERENDIPITY INC R-I-P	Posted - 2010.07.10 04:09:00 - [16] Edited by: Kephael on 10/07/2010 04:10:46 Caldari suck in PvP, if you want to be useful in a roaming gang train amarr or minmatar. Falcon is good support, but support is not fun because you don't make things blow up. __________________________________________
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.10 04:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Sigh :\ There's a reason its last you know. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
BiggestT Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.07.10 04:23:00 - [18] People over-estimate the power of being able to solo, imo less htan 1% of pvp'ers would solo rather than fleet up. Caldari ships are great for fleets, people telling you they're bad are simply dissilusioned non-caldari role-players or are people still living in 2006. Their only real issue is a disproportionate use of armour vs. shield in eve, making it hard for fleet logistics e.g. fc's prefering armour only for armour rr etc. Missiles are actually an excellent weapons platform. Hybrid turrets are also pretty fun, though are much harder to use and may (or may not) need tweaking by CCP to improve performance (e.g. less cap use by rails, better tracking/range etc. for blasters) though this is debatable to a degree (they're still pretty effective regardless of any issues). EVE Trivia EVE History
Julian Darklight	Posted - 2010.07.10 05:04:00 - [19] Caldari are FINE PVP ships. in fact i just used one a few minutes ago that took on 5 ships. killed one an put another into 20% structure an soaked up 34k damage before it died. an the only reason i didnt kill their repper ship an win is cause i tryed to run an tunred off all my guns. point is i WAS A F**KIN LONE!!!!! yes, it takes a lot of sp an patience to learn to PVP with caldari but those of u sho say its a "niche" ship are douches. its onl "niche" becasue folks fail to see its value. yes, teh missles take longer to hit theoir targets but u dont ahve trackin or cap to worry bout an if u wnat instant DPS get a caldari gunboat. most of em can use ANY guns system effectively an have a good tank doin it as well as speed. i put here a prperly trained an fit AC Ferox or a blaster Rokh or a blaster/ECM falcon or an AC/missle/tackle Merlin or a blaster/missle Moa or an ECM/blaster Scorpion. in a simple DPS/tackle gang u cant beat caldari. its that simple. O, an for perspective i fly gallente an matar as well so i can say from expierance that caldari is the best race i have flown so far.
BiggestT Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.07.10 05:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Liang Nuren There's a reason its last you know. -Liang Surely the cerb is more popular than the eagle??? The eagle is just downright chunderous. The cerb is actually a great HAC with good dps, sit at 70km+ and hit the secondary..(or a tad closer and hit a large primary) EVE Trivia EVE History

Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.10 05:29:00 - [21] Originally by: BiggestT Surely the cerb is more popular than the eagle??? The eagle is just downright chunderous. The cerb is actually a great HAC with good dps, sit at 70km+ and hit the secondary..(or a tad closer and hit a large primary) When you're dealing with 150-200km, missile travel time begins to suck. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
BiggestT Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.07.10 06:00:00 - [22] Originally by: Liang Nuren When you're dealing with 150-200km, missile travel time begins to suck. -Liang Yeah, but I don't use it to snipe, hell a ferox is better for that; I prefer mid to semi-long range. If you're at say 50-70km, missile flight time isn't a huge issue and you're still far enough away to gtfo if you notice nasty tacklers/nano-hacs heading your way (or you can just melt them if they approach in a straight line). EVE Trivia EVE History
Noisrevbus Caldari Breams Gone Wild	Posted - 2010.07.10 22:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Noisrevbus It would be interesting to see what kind of gangs the "it's a gang ship" proclaimers see Caldari ships fly in, frequently, barring Drake/BC gangs. Originally by: Liang Nuren In PVP (order of frequency): Raven, Drake, Scorpion, Crow, Manticore, Falcon, Harpy, Blackbird, Ferox, Nighthawk, Basilisk, Kestrel, Merlin, Widow, Rook, Eagle, Cerb... Let me requote with emphasis on what i was veering for. I understand if it wasn't entirely clear the first time around. I'm not interested in which ships you find useful, i'm intersted in the type of gangs you commonly see them in. Obviously there's a bit of an agenda behind the question, since i can't bring myself to remember many occassions when you come across gangs with a fair representation of those ships, or more importantly where they have been used effectively. The ships mentioned at first, exempt.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.10 22:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Noisrevbus Let me requote with emphasis on what i was veering for. Standard low sec roaming gangs man. We regularly see Drakes, Scorps, Cerbs, Caracals, Falcons, Rooks, Ravens, Crows, ** tons of Manticores, etc. And honestly if you aren't seeing Massive ing Drake+Basi/Scim Blobs everywhere you turn you have your eyes closed. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
icecooljon Aliastra	Posted - 2010.07.10 23:20:00 - [25] The myth that Caldari lack in PVP is old and has since been fixed, my alt fly's all other races other than Caldari and honestly I have so much more fun on my main. Yes, we may not have the greatest selection of ships, and missiles do take time to hit their target, but do these small problems mean a whole race is lacking? No. Fit smart, Fly smart and it doesn't matter what ship your in.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Quafe Industries	Posted - 2010.07.10 23:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren There's a reason its last you know. -Liang Doesn't mean I have to be ok with it :( Loss (noun): detriment, disadvantage, or deprivation from failure to keep, have, or get: to bear the loss of a robbery. Spell it right
Myrkala Minmatar Interstellar Empire Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.07.11 00:56:00 - [27] One of the few Caldari ships that aren't really good is the Eagle. I've been looking at it for 2 hours now and I just can't shoe-horn it into any useful role. Except: Bait "Versatile Sniper" Sigh... It really needs something, one more mid, change one optimal bonus for a ROF/DMG bonus. A small dronebay... something. - Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Minmatar? More like Winmatar.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.11 01:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Myrkala One of the few Caldari ships that aren't really good is the Eagle. I've been looking at it for 2 hours now and I just can't shoe-horn it into any useful role. Except: Bait "Versatile Sniper" Sigh... It really needs something, one more mid, change one optimal bonus for a ROF/DMG bonus. A small dronebay... something. I'd honestly prefer making those 10% optimal bonuses 15% optimal bonuses. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.07.11 01:05:00 - [29] The Eagle is nothing amazing but it's a passable ship. TBH, I think 90% of the "Caldari suck at pvp" stuff is just people mindlessly parroting the years old view that is no longer even remotely accurate. _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
Battlecheese	Posted - 2010.07.11 02:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington The Eagle is nothing amazing but it's a passable ship. TBH, I think 90% of the "Caldari suck at pvp" stuff is just people mindlessly parroting the years old view that is no longer even remotely accurate. It has never been accurate. It gained traction because people keep showing up to pvp in their mission fit cruise ravens. The biggest problem with caldari pvp, especially railgun pvp is that your fitting skills need to be quite advanced.



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