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Bankoff DarkFusion	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:05:00 - [1] The new plex changes look a lot like fraud. CCP is selling the time codes and converting them to plex. CCP determines the percentage of loot that is destroyed in its algorithms within the game. CCP is therefore selling the plexes and determining their survival rate when they are destroyed in cargo. CCP is aware that the market will make selling the plexes at a distance attractive. CCP is therefore selling a product that is to extend timeplay and determining the rate at which these will be destroyed. This will relieve CCP of the burden of providing the service that it has sold customers. In effect, CCP is selling a product, knowing that a certain percentage of that product will be rendered useless by its own game mechanics. If you think this is the sign of a company that is acting in good faith with you, you're welcome to put up with it. I've canceled my accounts and don't intend to play after 8/3/10, when the current billing period is over.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:07:00 - [2] Stuff? -------- All I want is a better mankind.
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:08:00 - [3] ... Hahahaha... Seriously? Hahahahaha... Can I have your stuff?
MickeyKnox	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:08:00 - [4] Shut up.
Xtreem Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:11:00 - [5] why does this change anything for you or anyone else for that matter? if you dont like it just do what u did before, buy/redeem your plex in station and dont undock with it? if people choose to take it to another station thats their risk, the same as undocking a t3 ship worth several times more than a plex! Remember the only think making the plex go outside the station is if you drop and drag it into your cargo, then click the un dock button!! stop being an idiot.
Eric Policky	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:11:00 - [6] Car manufacturers sell you a car knowing a certain percentage of the cars they sell will be rendered useless during their intended use, i.e. driving, via car accidents. At least the product CCP sells can't be rendered useless during their intended use. CCP is not forcing you to buy a PLEX and then transport it somewhere else before using it. In fact, the product is meant to be purchased by the end user, not purchased on the market and transported somewhere else. If you are worried about it being destroyed, do not transport it before applying it. In short, this is not fraud because they are not selling you something that can be destroyed unless you CHOOSE to put it at risk. If you think it is fraud, try this: buy a PLEX, then transport it, have it get destroyed, and sue CCP for damages. See if you can win in any court. Regards
Vivian Azure	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:12:00 - [7] Nobody forces anyone to transport the PLEX. You can use a Jita-alt to buy and activate them, or you can purchase them via contract and activate them remotely via your assets. So where's the problem exactly?
Takashi Halamoto No Limit Productions Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Mari Seles ... Hahahaha... Seriously? Hahahahaha... Can I have your stuff? too late i already asked when he first posted he was leaving, your argument however falls down at the remote selling attractive, as plex trade by region across empire they are within a few million of each other yes you could buy a plex in jita for 298 mil and sell in lonetrek for 304, WOW A WHOLE 6MIL, seriously in the time taken to do so you could make more profit margin trading PI mins, and you fail to mention that at the same time as ccp makes the plex transportable / destructible they also make it 10X easier to aquire plex and remove any need /desire to move them Me? im just sitting here,
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:14:00 - [9] Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 09/07/2010 23:14:33 Originally by: Bankoff DarkFusion CCP determines the percentage of loot that is destroyed in its algorithms within the game. CCP determines the algorithm as to HOW loot SHOULD be dropped. This is most likely determined at random (I have so far not seen any visible pattern as to what loot is dropped in which situations, or a constant percentage). As such CCP has no real control over the actual code executed that decides what is dropped and what not. Also, while you can undock with PLEX, it does not mean you should or must. Therefore, the risk of getting shot/destroyed with the PLEX in your backpack IS YOUR VERY OWN FAULT. (On a sidenote, the changes are still pretty fail) Item DB \| Sigs
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Takashi Halamoto yes you could buy a plex in jita for 298 mil and sell in lonetrek for 304, WOW A WHOLE 6MIL, seriously in the time taken to do so you could make more profit margin trading PI mins, Actually, if they are only 0.01 m3... you could ship a lot of plexes over and that would make a margin of 6 million not bad at all. Of course, you would also need a lot of money.

Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Dan O'Connor As such CCP has no real control over the actual code executed that decides what is dropped and what not. Except that in the loot drop algorithym the very first check before anything could be something like for each item in cargo if item=plex then destroy item next then continue with the rest of the loot drop calculations. Software programmers can do whatever they want, and saying CCP can not control the drop rate is wrong.
Takashi Halamoto No Limit Productions Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:25:00 - [12] yes but if you dont trust the people running the game, dont play Me? im just sitting here,
Tianzi Q'triann	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Also, while you can undock with PLEX, it does not mean you should or must. Therefore, the risk of getting shot/destroyed with the PLEX in your backpack IS YOUR VERY OWN FAULT. (On a sidenote, the changes are still pretty fail) Agree with the changes being fail. There are more important matters that could be looked into. My only beef with this: I am paying CCP the company, for an item ingame to transfer RL money from my pocket for ISK in game so someone else gets a month. Thats a service they implemented to counter isk farmers. Now, it seems like they don't care for the service. If they want to reduce the PLEX in game, they are better off offering some kind of service with a terrible conversion rate (2x SP training for a month, cost 4 plex!) instead of POOF! Its gone. Why would I want to use their service anymore? Leaving in station was the only safe guarantee (pray you don't accidentally control click a large amount of modules with a PLEX among them with EVE's ****ty UI that lags behind when you try to drag one item really fast to the cargohold and undock). Then POOF! Gone in a low resolution explosion. Yeah CCP, enjoy that "donation". While you at it, can we get a useful expansion that isn't crappy as Tyranis. If PLEX are so game breaking, CCP needs to enact a podding back 10 million SP every month if you don't destroy 1000 ships in that time span so CCP can actually live their dream of total chaos in their crappy virtual world. Another thing, Why is it they guarantee the trade of virtual characters but not virtual goods? I just can't comprehend CCP's lazy ass attitude towards PLEX just because its an in game item traded with in game currency bought with real world cash (aside from accepting scam contracts) while you can trade real world cash for the transfer cost of a character bought with in game currency and they call in a SWAT, Special Forces, UN, and bring down the wrath of god when someone attempts scam character trades. Someone please explain that one.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Bankoff DarkFusion The new plex changes look a lot like fraud. CCP is selling the time codes and converting them to plex. CCP determines the percentage of loot that is destroyed in its algorithms within the game. CCP is therefore selling the plexes and determining their survival rate when they are destroyed in cargo. CCP is aware that the market will make selling the plexes at a distance attractive. CCP is therefore selling a product that is to extend timeplay and determining the rate at which these will be destroyed. This will relieve CCP of the burden of providing the service that it has sold customers. In effect, CCP is selling a product, knowing that a certain percentage of that product will be rendered useless by its own game mechanics. If you think this is the sign of a company that is acting in good faith with you, you're welcome to put up with it. I've canceled my accounts and don't intend to play after 8/3/10, when the current billing period is over. Funny, reading your post from a purely academic perspective, you wouldn't seem to be THIS dumb (i.e., you seem to know where a comma goes), but reading the content one could almost think you are being deliberately obtuse... ...but you're emo-quitting, so it's irrelevant. . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Dan O'Connor As such CCP has no real control over the actual code executed that decides what is dropped and what not. Except that in the loot drop algorithym the very first check before anything could be something like for each item in cargo if item=plex then destroy item next then continue with the rest of the loot drop calculations. Software programmers can do whatever they want, and saying CCP can not control the drop rate is wrong. Don't you think this exception would make the PLEX a special item, where as it shouldn't be? Item DB \| Sigs
Frug Omega Wing	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:59:00 - [16] Obvious troll is obvious? Or he's really this stupid. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.07.10 00:07:00 - [17] CCP is evil dictator!
Krispy Dingo Minmatar Strangers in a Strange Land	Posted - 2010.07.10 00:33:00 - [18] I vote stupid. Go read the In Game rules regarding PLEX http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/30_days_Concord_Pilot_License_Extension#Ingame_Rules Quote: PLEXes can not be moved out of the station where it was created and cannot be put into courier contract containers. I would say they made an effort to save on code by destroying them instead of not letting you undock. Look at it this way, when you undock with PLEX in your cargo, you break a deal. At least they don't make you face the wheel. _____________________________ http://twitter.com/krispy_dingo http://krispydingo.com
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.07.10 00:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Don't you think this exception would make the PLEX a special item, where as it shouldn't be? It would, but how would anyone outside of the programmers at CCP know or not?
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2010.07.10 00:48:00 - [20] So you're saying CCP is taking your money, which you give them volountarily, in exchange virtual goods and/or services? And this is a problem why?

Taladool	Posted - 2010.07.10 01:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Julius Rigel So you're saying CCP is taking your money, which you give them volountarily, in exchange virtual goods and/or services? And this is a problem why? Because the op is a moron? In truth, you pay ccp for 2 plex's, once you redeem them, they are your responsibility, if you don't want to risk them, don't undock with them. Its not rocket science, Gee, I can undock with my plex, think ill try it, BOOM!! whaaa!!! There is no good reason to undock with a plex, if your trading them and feel you have to, remember your not moving game time, to you its simply ~300 mil isk.. + or - the margin you make off of it in cross regional trading. If you intended to use it, then use it by remote and stfu. Hosting websites, pay in isk, cheap prices, fast service. check us out
War Kitten	Posted - 2010.07.10 01:05:00 - [22] Look, lag reduction! One less pilot that wasn't fit for the game anyway. So long and thanks for all the stuffs. "Here's your sign." - Bill Engvall
Some Advisor	Posted - 2010.07.10 01:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Dan O'Connor (I have so far not seen any visible pattern as to what loot is dropped in which situations, or a constant percentage). Raven gets killed. Faction Missile launcher always drops (at least did about 2 years ago, very annoying when you are the dying one and dont want that the stuff goes to the enemy) ^^ --- Donations, thankyou / hatemails always welcome :P if you want to "ragequit" or take a longer break: "can i have your stuff" ? :P i also like BPOs of any kind with the promise you get it back :)
Wookie 1 Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.10 01:23:00 - [24] If you buy a PLEX for the sole reason of adding time to your account then why not use one of those useless (normally at least) couple of extra character slots to send a noob alt to pick it up/ apply it. If you are selling it for an ISK gain then you are selling an In-game item therefore it should be destroyable. Plex sales has moved from straight purchasable ISK to an item that is In-Game and you can lose it (a bit like trading Faction BS in Amarr that you bought in Jita one of these days it will die).
Victorick Skeptical Design	Posted - 2010.07.10 01:30:00 - [25] This is why we can't have nice things.
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.07.10 02:00:00 - [26] Am I the only one that wonders why people would undock with a plex anyways? Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.07.10 02:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Tellenta Am I the only one that wonders why people would undock with a plex anyways? Awesome bait?
Saelie	Posted - 2010.07.10 02:21:00 - [28] You are not. The only people this has the remote potential of affecting are traders who want to take PLEX from one trade hub to another to try and sell at a profit. These people run the risk of getting suicide-ganked already though so it's a moot point. For those of you who think this is a fail change: They're giving you something you couldn't move before and letting you move it if you really feel like it. I'm not sure I grasp how this is a bad thing.
Sol Lethe	Posted - 2010.07.10 02:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Krispy Dingo Also, what is the difference between losing a PLEX, or selling a PLEX and then losing the ship that you just bought with that ISK? The difference is that in the latter case, the game time still exists, just in a different player's hands. The problem with the former case is that CCP just made money for nothing. PLEX should not be destroyable, period; it should ALWAYS appear in the wreck so the game time is just transfered instead of disappearing into CCP's pocket.
Sith LordX	Posted - 2010.07.10 03:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Bankoff DarkFusion The new plex changes look a lot like fraud. CCP is selling the time codes and converting them to plex. CCP determines the percentage of loot that is destroyed in its algorithms within the game. CCP is therefore selling the plexes and determining their survival rate when they are destroyed in cargo. CCP is aware that the market will make selling the plexes at a distance attractive. CCP is therefore selling a product that is to extend timeplay and determining the rate at which these will be destroyed. This will relieve CCP of the burden of providing the service that it has sold customers. In effect, CCP is selling a product, knowing that a certain percentage of that product will be rendered useless by its own game mechanics. If you think this is the sign of a company that is acting in good faith with you, you're welcome to put up with it. I've canceled my accounts and don't intend to play after 8/3/10, when the current billing period is over. CCP is not forcing you to undock with plex cards silly. You can use them right away from anyplace.



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