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if offcourse CCP doesn't fix it, like implementing a simple mechanic where you can drag/select several extractors and survey/start them at once saving me and other players thousands of man hours clicking pixels.

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Originally by: Nobzy

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Edited by: Nobzy on 12/07/2010 14:33:38
Edited by: Nobzy on 12/07/2010 14:32:00

You are looking at the problem the wrong way.

PI was intended to be a long chain of production with loadsa steps to the end product (assuming you're after the bigger fishes and not just coolant or something). This means that CCP tried to force people to accept a part of their choosing along the production line.

The problem is actually you trying to be the entire production line. The problem is not the time consuming nature of PI, but the greedy nature of the player. PI was intended to be low profit, low entry-bar income maker for newer players (hence the low skill requirements).

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Originally by: Nobzy

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You are just going against the design, thinking the design is flawed, when it's your approach to it.

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Originally by: Lutz Major

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Originally by: Olleybear

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cool story bro

But did any of you consider this: once the 'click-fest' stops and you only need to group your extractors and survey/mine all with one click, everybody will come back to PI *hurray*


And profits will drop.


Deep.

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Originally by: Lutz Major

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Originally by: Helgur

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You actually fail to understand that some of us don't necessarily do this out of own profits, but actually are doing this to supply the people we play with (i.e the corp and alliance) with nanitepaste, POS fuel etc. This is actually a mechanic you need to work with if you want to keep things running

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Dude, what I'm trying to tell you is: if activity A generates you X ISK/hour and activity B earns you Y ISK/hour and Y >> X then there are two reasons to stick with activity A:
1) it is fun
2) you don't know what to do else

Apparently it is not 1)

So why don't you go missioning in the 'several hours each day' or play the market? If you can make more money/hour than skip PI and buy those things for your 'alliance'. And you are sure not the only one, who can do PI!

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Originally by: Henri Rearden

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Originally by: Helgur

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Edited by: Helgur on 13/07/2010 22:40:12
The very reason I said it is useless to bring in any other form of moneymaking into this discussion as a comparison is because I am arguing the faults of PI (and its UI) as a mechanic, i.e the number of clicks you have to perform in order to set off your extractors not the easiest way of making money. I am very well aware that I could be doing other types of activity to compensate and exceed my moneymaking potential. The reason I went into this is because 1) it is a semi-passive income (lol). After you set off your extractors, as advertised, you just check up on the planets every now and then to keep the production up and running. And 2) PI is a part of an expansion, like everyone else I wanted to try out new aspects of the game to break the routine. By the way JPC, your numbers are way off.

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So, let me see if I can clarify my understanding of what you're saying. You aren't complaining that you want to produce more PI goods for less time spent actively playing, you're stating your displeasure that the mechanism used to limit the productivity of the playerbase (and thus support prices) is the cumbersome "clicky" nature of the interface rather than anything that requires skill or thought... yes? If so, I ardently, completely, 100% agree with you that clicking is a sub-optimal mechanism for limiting productivity. And actually, CCP agrees with you too, since they have said that the clickfest is unacceptable as it stands and will be revised in the next patch. However, at the present time, simply changing the interface without fundementally changing other core aspects of PI isn't an option since it would be the equivalent of quadrupling the yield of strip miners.

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Originally by: Olleybear

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stuff

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Originally by: Henri Rearden

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That sounds like logical use of your alt resources to me, and the only monkey-wrench in the works is that clicking for a long time gets boring. Unless you're clamoring for changes that would reduce the amount of time you spend on each alt instead of simply making it more interesting or challenging, I'd say you're spot on what needs to be improved.

For the record, I don't like alts because of how they effect game RP and professions, and I don't have alts because I don't want to be a hypocrite, but I often wish I did have a second account for the same reasons you have them.

And don't feel too bad either way. Remember, in EVE "greedy bastard" is a compliment!

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Originally by: Ari Chu

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Why are people still crying about an activity which no one is forcing them to do? Crying AND trying to do the activity with 15 bazillion alts? What the hell is wrong with people's brains that leads them to the conclusion that if they perform the task at 15 times the intensity that the next person does, that the developers will somehow make the task simpler to please them?

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Originally by: Sempress Kaye

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Edited by: Sempress Kaye on 14/07/2010 08:50:18
Stop overdoing it and its real easy to manage, and hardly ever tedious.

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Originally by: Ari Chu

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Originally by: Quantessa

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If people can write macros to mine why would they not be able to write macros to extract?

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In PI, the colony always centers on the CC, but macro's have to be individually written using mouse movement capture to go to each of the Extractors.

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Originally by: Sempress Kaye

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Originally by: Helgur

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Edited by: Helgur on 14/07/2010 13:13:04
Edited by: Helgur on 14/07/2010 13:07:07

Originally by: Sempress Kaye

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Edited by: Sempress Kaye on 14/07/2010 08:50:18
Stop overdoing it and its real easy to manage, and hardly ever tedious.

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It is actually nothing about overdoing, see post post 53 as I am really getting tired of repeating myself to people that are not bothered to read the thread before they post half thought-out arguments.

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I did read the entire thread and you merely evade the fact that you clearly STATE you're overdoing it.
But in case you miss your own fine and obvious PI flaws that wear you down I'll quote you.
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Originally by: Helgur

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I have subscribed to 3 accounts which I have TRAINED 8 ALTS for P.I. Thats 40 PLANETS w/ extractors and processors. Doing the 5 HOUR CYCLE TIME I am spending SEVERAL HOURS EACH DAY just clicking on pixels.

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There.
I bolded the parts you seem to ignore.
Tips granted to you before and some that havent been given:

1: - Bigger cycle times.
2: - Less alts.
3: - Bigger cycle times.
4: - Stop denying you're killing yourself by clicking for hours with this ridiculously overdone PI program you run.

It's you that makes the half thought-out arguments.
Failing to recognize that makes it even more of a whine post.

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Originally by: Ivorr Bigun

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I would favor a timer of some sort - similar to activating a cyno or /shudder a mining laser: no more clicking but you are at least required to wait the time out before moving on to the next planet.
This is more in keeping with traditional "watching a movie while i do it" eve industry.

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