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haav0c	Posted - 2010.07.14 04:09:00 - [1] Lost a buzzard to a Russian gatecamp, they had sling bubbles. Alllllllmost managed to recloak but didn't, ended up podding myself to get past, ect, ect, it's behind me. Anyway, I got decloaked by cargo containers placed inside the warp bubbles. Is this an exploit or not? Passing fantasy. Have fun with whatever!
Myn Daern	Posted - 2010.07.14 04:11:00 - [2] It's not an exploit as long as it doesn't create lag, I think the number is 40.
Saelie	Posted - 2010.07.14 04:17:00 - [3] Exploit? Doubtful, but possible. Clever? You bet. Certainly a very tricky way to get those crafty CovOps pilots that decloak for a half-second to throw on their MWDs, then burn out of the bubble cloaked and disappear.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar U-208	Posted - 2010.07.14 04:20:00 - [4] its not an exploit When you're killed in a buble, you leave behind a wreck. Do they need to clean up your wreck to avoid being banned? if they salvage your wreck it leaves a can, if they dont loot that also, are they banned? ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
haav0c	Posted - 2010.07.14 04:24:00 - [5] Thanks guys!
Muad' Dib Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.14 04:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Terminal Insanity its not an exploit When you're killed in a buble, you leave behind a wreck. Do they need to clean up your wreck to avoid being banned? if they salvage your wreck it leaves a can, if they dont loot that also, are they banned? You are correct however, dumping cans at the warpin of a sling bubble or any bubble with the express purpose of decloaking cloakers is an exploit. So, if he is smart about it, he will check DOTLAN to see how many ships were killed in that system lately, and than if he thinks he has a case, petition. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market !
Pikkuhukka Caldari NPC Corporation	Posted - 2010.07.14 04:54:00 - [7] any action taken AGAINST that kind of people is good action
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.14 05:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Muad' Dib Originally by: Terminal Insanity its not an exploit When you're killed in a buble, you leave behind a wreck. Do they need to clean up your wreck to avoid being banned? if they salvage your wreck it leaves a can, if they dont loot that also, are they banned? You are correct however, dumping cans at the warpin of a sling bubble or any bubble with the express purpose of decloaking cloakers is an exploit. Wait, what? Can I get a CCP quote one that? Obviously, not about dumping 100s of cans or shuttles to deliberately lower the target's client performance. How about just positioning ships on that end of the bubble, is that still an exploit? I don't see the difference.
WTFBBQ Rapestain	Posted - 2010.07.14 05:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Originally by: Muad' Dib Originally by: Terminal Insanity its not an exploit When you're killed in a buble, you leave behind a wreck. Do they need to clean up your wreck to avoid being banned? if they salvage your wreck it leaves a can, if they dont loot that also, are they banned? You are correct however, dumping cans at the warpin of a sling bubble or any bubble with the express purpose of decloaking cloakers is an exploit. Wait, what? Can I get a CCP quote one that? Obviously, not about dumping 100s of cans or shuttles to deliberately lower the target's client performance. How about just positioning ships on that end of the bubble, is that still an exploit? I don't see the difference. agreed. IMHO it's not an exploit if you have 2-3 cans where someone would warp in to decloak them. it's just good tactical sense. granted, I live in low most of the time, with a touch of hi, and don't go to null often so it wouldn't really affect me, but.... this is my opinion.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2010.07.14 06:03:00 - [10] It is an exploit if you create lag, it is NOT an exploit to use a can to decloak someone. If I drop a single round of antimatter at the warpin on a suck bubble from the far gate for example, or in line with the JB POS, with the express purpose of decloaking your anathema you are going to get laughed at when you petition it. If I have 250 cans spelling "LOL LAG" on the warp in I might get a slap on the wrist though.

Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.07.14 06:12:00 - [11] OMG RUSSIANS
WTFBBQ Rapestain	Posted - 2010.07.14 06:19:00 - [12] huh.... just curious....would a bunch of cans in a SS make lag for the rest of the system? If not it would be fun to have a "can graffiti" contest in a SS somewhere. Where people would make pictures and stuff out of cans way out somewhere.
Muad' Dib Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.14 06:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Originally by: Muad' Dib Originally by: Terminal Insanity its not an exploit When you're killed in a buble, you leave behind a wreck. Do they need to clean up your wreck to avoid being banned? if they salvage your wreck it leaves a can, if they dont loot that also, are they banned? You are correct however, dumping cans at the warpin of a sling bubble or any bubble with the express purpose of decloaking cloakers is an exploit. Wait, what? Can I get a CCP quote one that? Obviously, not about dumping 100s of cans or shuttles to deliberately lower the target's client performance. How about just positioning ships on that end of the bubble, is that still an exploit? I don't see the difference. Just petition it and whatever it says escalate it to a senior GM, but make sure you mention that it is with the express purpose of decloaking, and that they are jetcans, not cans obatained by salvaging wrecks. There was some drama about it a few yrs ago. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market !
zz01shagsme	Posted - 2010.07.14 07:31:00 - [14] try being decloaked after the latest security blunder and being told "our logs do not show there was a problem" bollox.....
haav0c	Posted - 2010.07.14 23:57:00 - [15] Eeh... It was a buzzard with like 30 mil in it... not gonna bother petitioning. Just wondering if there was an official GM post someone could link me. Now to buy a new scan ship. "Lucky Bastard IX", may you fly better than your predecessors!
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.07.15 01:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Asuka Smith It is an exploit if you create lag, it is NOT an exploit to use a can to decloak someone. If I drop a single round of antimatter at the warpin on a suck bubble from the far gate for example, or in line with the JB POS, with the express purpose of decloaking your anathema you are going to get laughed at when you petition it. If I have 250 cans spelling "LOL LAG" on the warp in I might get a slap on the wrist though. Probably not, I found a POS in a wormhole system which had about 10 cans aligned to each celestial in the system at 100/50/20km warp in points to the POS tower, so in total there was maybe 60 or so as the position of the POS meant than about 3/4 of the celestial s were all in one direction. I petitioned it due to the fact that it was a blatant abuse of storage containers and the fact that it lagged the **** out of directional scanner and when warping in. I got a response within a day or so but I had logged off in that wormhole, logged on a week later an all the cans where gone.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.07.15 02:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Muad' Dib and that they are jetcans, not cans obatained by salvaging wrecks. Show me proof that the 27,000m3 can that decloaked you was jettisoned from my ship unlike the 27,000m3 can that was leftover from the wreck that I salvaged? Jetcans are identical to jetcans
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.07.15 04:15:00 - [18] Game needs more ways to decloak ships. Currently this is about the only way.....
Bruce Kemp UK Freedom Fighters Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.07.15 07:02:00 - [19] This has been a 0.0 tactic since i used to fly there in 2006
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2010.07.15 07:26:00 - [20] Oh, those sneaky ruskis!

Companion Trollin You are going too fast	Posted - 2010.07.15 07:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Gladys Pank OMG RUSSIANS IN SOVIET RUSSIA RUSSIANS OMG YOU ♥ Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts dealing with sexual orientation have been removed. Please keep this discussion on-topic. Thanks. -- Shadow
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.07.15 07:49:00 - [22] As others have said, file a petition and a GM should look in to it. Regardless if the loss concerns you or not, dumping extra containers in bubbles was stated by a GM/Dev a while back to be an exploit. So if those campers were abusing it, at least if a GM handles it then no one else will be bothered by them.
Bane Loppknow Pel Industries	Posted - 2010.07.15 08:02:00 - [23] Edited by: Bane Loppknow on 15/07/2010 08:02:21 My corp once got a warning from a GM because we swarmed some Empire WTs with noob alts/ships and some neut went and salvaged every single one of our wrecks. was around 80 wrecks. it was an epic battle.
Takashi Halamoto No Limit Productions Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.07.15 08:48:00 - [24] but yeah its a case of using a strategic jet can or two with a bubble to create a cloaky trap is not an exploit, dumping a zillion cans so you cant move for lag is naughty, as thats actually bending the server over to give advantage Me? im just sitting here,
Spurty Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2010.07.15 09:06:00 - [25] Bookmarks 150km from every gate you are traveling through = your way to less tears. NAPS: forcing you to play 'their' game
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.15 09:28:00 - [26] A little question: sever years ago CCP made jetcans (and from what I recall all cans) immaterial and incapable of decloaking a ship. It was done on purpose and it was in the patch notes. I don't recall any patch note saying that this change was partially reversed. So it is a bug (someone re-using old code and involuntary reversing the change) or a intended change?
Sarah Kal'Wrath Amarr Liberty Rogues Celestial Tribesmen	Posted - 2010.07.15 10:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Venkul Mul A little question: sever years ago CCP made jetcans (and from what I recall all cans) immaterial and incapable of decloaking a ship. It was done on purpose and it was in the patch notes. I don't recall any patch note saying that this change was partially reversed. So it is a bug (someone re-using old code and involuntary reversing the change) or a intended change? Partially correct they were changed but they were changed to not allow bumping and its not the can that decloaks you its the edge of the bubble, the can just stops you recloaking because the code only checks to see if anything is within the decloak range.
AppleBanana	Posted - 2010.07.15 10:26:00 - [28] Originally by: haav0c Lost a buzzard to a Russian gatecamp, they had sling bubbles. Alllllllmost managed to recloak but didn't, ended up podding myself to get past, ect, ect, it's behind me. Anyway, I got decloaked by cargo containers placed inside the warp bubbles. Is this an exploit or not? Passing fantasy. Have fun with whatever! Why do you have to say "Russian gatecamp"? Racist
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.15 11:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Sarah Kal'Wrath Originally by: Venkul Mul A little question: sever years ago CCP made jetcans (and from what I recall all cans) immaterial and incapable of decloaking a ship. It was done on purpose and it was in the patch notes. I don't recall any patch note saying that this change was partially reversed. So it is a bug (someone re-using old code and involuntary reversing the change) or a intended change? Partially correct they were changed but they were changed to not allow bumping and its not the can that decloaks you its the edge of the bubble, the can just stops you recloaking because the code only checks to see if anything is within the decloak range. Sorry, but you are wrong. When the change was implemented you were capable of passing right through a jetcan without being decloaked. I tested it at the time and that was how it worked. So the question stand: when it was changed? And why it was not notified in the patch changes?
zelalot	Posted - 2010.07.15 11:48:00 - [30] Originally by: zz01shagsme try being decloaked after the latest security blunder and being told "our logs do not show there was a problem" bollox..... **** man, sorry to hear about that, was this the scanning overview security blunder? Guess CCP aren't going to reimburse you for that - the game is already a mess! They surely don't want Another headliner!



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