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Leisen
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Leisen on 15/07/2010 10:19:46
Edited by: Leisen on 15/07/2010 10:16:33
So it all started in 2005, bouncing around trial accounts. I never stuck with EVE back then unfortunately, and I never would until mid 2009. I read all the lore, and I liked the idea of this shield tanking, technology focused race. So of course when I decide to give it a go in 2009, I choose Caldari.
A year later, being fond of pvp and having quite a bit of experience behind me now, I regret my decision every day. Anyone who has read chronicles having to do with the Caldari, obvious example being the war between them and the Federation, knows this current version of the Caldari doesn't really match at all what had been put forth. The ships aren't fast, even though in wartime they relied on fast moving ships and specialized heavily into frigates. Quite the opposite, and their assault ships are laughable.
The most viable Caldari pvp ship is the Drake, and idiots scream for it to be nerfed constantly. Anyone who knows anything about ship capabilities knows the Drake is only as good as the other BCs. I don't know if way back when, the Caldari State was a powerhouse and CCP nerfed them as per demands, and people got carried away just bashing them for being popular...but I sure could have used a warning message when I chose to make a Caldari character, "Warning: Not similar to race depicted".
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Ki Huyong
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:32:00 -
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Just cross train for your Amarr/Minmatar ships and weapons. Is it that difficult.
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Leisen
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:36:00 -
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That solution had not escaped me. I've cross trained into Minmatar a bit, but that wasn't really the point I was trying to make.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:47:00 -
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none of the races are what the lore says really ...
they have all been changed...
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Leisen
I don't know if way back when, the Caldari State was a powerhouse and CCP nerfed them as per demands, and people got carried away just bashing them for being popular...
100% correct
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Braskyte
StarShard Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:22:00 -
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My main started out as gallente, because blasters were win, but now they suck. Luckily I cross trained amarr and now minmatar so I'm all good. Race doesn't matter now unless you RP or smth like that.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:05:00 -
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People who think the Drake is the only viable Caldari pvp ship are either ignorant or trolling.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:12:00 -
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You're the missiley missile race of missiles, man.
Make a stealth bomber if you hate the drake and want to be kicking people around. You have more support skills stacked into it than anyone of another race is likely to have, so you can probably do the "whack people ratting with a passive targeter from 70km away before they realize you're there" trick right off, without having to waste additional time getting the skills.
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Ghaylenty
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard
You're the missiley missile race of missiles, man.
Make a stealth bomber if you hate the drake and want to be kicking people around. You have more support skills stacked into it than anyone of another race is likely to have, so you can probably do the "whack people ratting with a passive targeter from 70km away before they realize you're there" trick right off, without having to waste additional time getting the skills.
this.
also.. rook, tengu, falcon, crow, scorpion, rattlesnake... if anything caldari are better off now than they have ever been. previously they were pigeon-holed into rokh's because missiles in pvp were actually that bad that hybrid turrets were better.
oh how the times have changed?
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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:35:00 -
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The most significant thing your race selection determines is your character portrait. Why all the whining?
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Marshiro
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:43:00 -
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Falcon: why fly anything else? 
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:55:00 -
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I believe the problem here is more with your perception of Caldari than with Caldari themselves.
First off, Caldari large ships tend to be slow and not very agile, but their interceptors are notorious for how quick and irritating they are, especially the Crow. Caldari ships also support tactics that a smaller force fighting a larger one would incorporate - Their ECM ships are incredible force multipliers, and their combat ships tend to fight at long range, which is ideal against the short-range Gallente setups. They're no slouches at close-range either with the boosts to torpedoes and HAMs.
Drake is the most viable Caldari PvP ship? Ha. The Drake is a viable combat ship, but not like 95% of EVE flies it - All tank, no gank is about as viable as a guy in full platemail flicking pebbles at people. You can last a long time, but they'll last long enough to either kill you or call for backup. The Caldari have a fairly strong PvP lineup, especially with their ECM ships, and the Raven has turned into a nasty bastard with the torpedo buffs. Most of their T2 lineup is viable, though some ships are a bit situational.
The Caldari aren't a bad race at all if you know how to fly them, and moreso if you're in a group - They're really best in groups.
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Marshiro
Falcon: why fly anything else?
Sometimes a Rook is a better fit?
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:12:00 -
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Might I suggest viewing some vids of Burn Eden from last year on back and then get back to us.
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Alias Forgotten
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Posted - 2010.07.16 19:47:00 -
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Drake is the only viable pvp ship for Caldari?? WTF??
Here is an example of an engagement...
Your targets: 1 Taranis, 1 Dominix, 1 Megathron, 1 Blackbird, 1 Scorpion, 1 Drake.
Do you know which of these ships are the primary target for DPS?
Do you know which ship is the last target you kill?
The Drake is the last target you kill because it is the least threatening of any of the six ships listed, yes it will probably take the longest to kill but it's combat potential is so low you generally don't care. The primary target is the Blackbird followed by the Scorpion -- these are the most dangerous ships on the field. You primary the Blackbird because it is incredibly dangerous if left alive and it pops real quick. The Scorpion is secondary because it's going to take time to kill it, which is too much time for the Blackbird to be cycling ECM on your fleet.
Caldari ECM wins battles. Kitsune, Rook, Falcon, Scorpion, Blackbird, and Widow are some of the most dangerous ships you will ever encounter in pvp. Yes they won't be collecting Kill Mails, but they will be assuring the victory of the fleet they are supporting.
Drake has one decent role in pvp -- Bait.
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Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:01:00 -
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As a member of the Gallente militia, I can confirm that drake blobs with blackbird support are a major pain in the rear
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Lt Kelson
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:18:00 -
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Sorry to butt in on this topic but its close enough to my question.
I was thinking of taking the caladari hybird guns path (Merlin>Moa>Ferox>Rokh etc) for mission running/gang related pvp wih the possibility of fleet ware longterm.
However I have been put off doing this mainly due to everyone telling me blasters/rails suck hard on caladari ships (only optimal bonuses), which is a shame because I am a pretty vain person and really like the look of the caladari hybird ship line up.
A few people in this thread seem knowledgeable about how the caladari roll so any insight/advice would be helpful.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:24:00 -
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Once you go Gallente you never go back 
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alias Forgotten
Caldari ECM wins battles. Kitsune, Rook, Falcon, Scorpion, Blackbird, and Widow are some of the most dangerous ships you will ever encounter in pvp. Yes they won't be collecting Kill Mails, but they will be assuring the victory of the fleet they are supporting.
I started playing EVE after talking about it for a month with my friend. I started because of one thing, ECM. I wanted to fly the Scorpion and be able to make people helpless and naked. I don't care if I ever get on a kill mail ever as long as I can jam people up. I have 4 accounts 2 of them with almost Elite ECM skills. I love it...
If I want some DPS action I fly another account who has Amarr + Lasers galore. I wanted to fly an Armageddon the moment someone in one melted my Badger. While laughing at my swift death I sad "Gotta get me one of those". Now I own 11 of them.....
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:31:00 -
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Op you're killing me.
In 1v1 PvP one player is ALWAYS going to have a non skill based advantage unless the ships and skillpoints of both pilots are equal. the chance of that happening is realistically less than 1%, so just learn how to use the ships you fly to your advantage or PvP in fleet.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Kelson
Sorry to butt in on this topic but its close enough to my question.
I was thinking of taking the caladari hybird guns path (Merlin>Moa>Ferox>Rokh etc)
Caldari rail boats require a bit of technical skill to use and excellent support skills to fit and pvp well with.
The ferox is a decent cheap sniper, as are the other t1 ships. I don't rate the eagle highly, though the harpy is excellent.
The ship that really rokhs (oh the puns never stop!) is, you guessed it: the rokh.
It's a great sniper platfrom (at long range it's low dps is made up for by being able to hit most things due to low transversal speeds) and an awesome blaster platform. IMO it's one of the current blaster bs's that is still excellent due to it's optimal range bonus helping to negate blaster issues (just make sure you fit 8 guns and 3 dmg mods though, as theres no damage bonus :s).
HOWEVER
Your effort to train caldari rail boats will be tough, they don't really come into their own untill you have t2 rails AND blasters when they become infinitely more useful due to greater versatility once this is achieved. They are also very average at PVE.
Heres a little quote I once heard that encouraged me to train them and to get you motivated:
Originally by: "Stuart Price"
Real men buy a Rokh, attach as many Neutron Blaster Cannon II's as humanly possible (even attempting to weld on extra hardpoints) and become overly aggressive with them. You are also allowed to make terrible puns at this point such as, "Rokh and roll".
Lesser mortals get Ravens and worry over fittings, trying to get the same amount of dps and survivability as the ROKH MAN (for he deserves the capital letters) but failing miserably. They can run missions more efficiently though and we all know efficiency is FUN!
Would you rather warp into combat drunk, on fire and screaming incoherent madness about tearing faces off with cannons and then laughing maniacally as you turn on ze guns OR would you rather warp into combat hoping that your torpedoes reach the target before it dies, you die, everyone gets bored and leaves or they kersplode for Much-Less-Damage-Than-You-Thought-Because-of-Explosion-Radius-and-Velocity?
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