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Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.17 11:46:00 - [1] Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas it would take around 21 years on one account. CCP keeps adding new skills so that time keeps on increasing. I know you can train multiple accounts and specialize which is what I presently do but honestly CCP dont you think this is ridiculous for new and old players.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.07.17 11:49:00 - [2] Originally by: Terrigal Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas Why would you ever need to do that? EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.17 11:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Terrigal dont you think this is ridiculous for new and old players. No. Why? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.17 11:55:00 - [4] Terrigal? More like Territroll _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.17 12:00:00 - [5] No obviously you dont but however to be Maxed out in certain areas you do gain a certain advantage whether it mining, industry, trading, mission running, and PVP combat. After nealry 3 years of playing EVE ive certain maxed out skills that give me an advantage in certain profession but in others im woefully inadequite. Do I or Will I bother with PI no I wont so i wont bother with them. Did I cross train, not until recently after tyrannis destroyed my profession of miner and industrialist. I'm not concerned about who's got more or less sp's than i presently do as after awhile you'll get to know it doesnt really matter especially in pvp where player skill and ship fitting is the key. What I am saying is more skills = less specialisation and for my alt easier kills which has never cross trained as of yet. Its a smart move for CCP however because to become specialised = more accounts.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.17 12:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Terrigal Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas it would take around 21 years on one account. CCP keeps adding new skills so that time keeps on increasing. I know you can train multiple accounts and specialize which is what I presently do but honestly CCP dont you think this is ridiculous for new and old players. On the contrary, it's the one thing above all others that makes it worthwhile for new players to start: that nobody can do everything perfectly. Player interaction is the sine non qua of MMOs in general, and EVE in particular, and enforcing interdependence in this way is absolutely necessary. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.07.17 12:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Terrigal Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas Why would you ever need to do that? Why would you ever need to learn any skill?
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.07.17 12:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Terrigal Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas it would take around 21 years on one account. CCP keeps adding new skills so that time keeps on increasing. I know you can train multiple accounts and specialize which is what I presently do but honestly CCP dont you think this is ridiculous for new and old players. Dear CCP, training all skills to lvl5 will take only 21 years? What if I want to play longer than that? You need to add more skills. Also, I only want to train a small portion of my skills, I have no interest in capitals, mining or science. Please add more skills or I be maxed out in a couple of years and have nothing more to train! Terrigal, I know there are many players who think they need to be maxed out to even start using a skill in a particular area, and to who having a skill not at lvl5 feels uncomforting. You need to realize that uncomfortable feeling is one of the reasons many play, they want to reach 'the end'. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.17 12:56:00 - [9] Dear OP : I want to have honestly earned doctorates in all possible fields of study in the real-life (nevermind new ones constantly keep popping up), and want to do it all in my lifetime. Oh, and could you please have it so that my lifetime gets extended to about 300 years or so, that would be super ! _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.07.17 13:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T Dear OP : I want to have honestly earned doctorates in all possible fields of study in the real-life (nevermind new ones constantly keep popping up), and want to do it all in my lifetime. Oh, and could you please have it so that my lifetime gets extended to about 300 years or so, that would be super ! 300 years isn't enough, you'll always be behind the times. I learned that from The Man from Earth.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.17 13:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Malcanis On the contrary, it's the one thing above all others that makes it worthwhile for new players to start: that nobody can do everything perfectly. Player interaction is the sine non qua of MMOs in general, and EVE in particular, and enforcing interdependence in this way is absolutely necessary. Originally by: Merdaneth Terrigal, I know there are many players who think they need to be maxed out to even start using a skill in a particular area, and to who having a skill not at lvl5 feels uncomforting. You need to realize that uncomfortable feeling is one of the reasons many play, they want to reach 'the end'. ^^ These. The funny thing is that so many people look at the EVE skill system and at the amount of SP some players have now accrued and immediately come to the conclusion that you can never "catch up". And yet, we have the guys who have the largest amount of skills and the largest amount of SP, and, at best, they have +û⅓ of what can have in the gameà This means that there's still 60-70% of the game where you can be far "better" than these SP/skill beheamoths are (at least in terms of skill bonuses). It's basically the quintessential proof that "catching up" is not a relevant concept in EVE. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.17 13:35:00 - [12] Op doesn't "get" eve.
Scott McClellan	Posted - 2010.07.17 13:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Terrigal Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas it would take around 21 years on one account. CCP keeps adding new skills so that time keeps on increasing. I know you can train multiple accounts and specialize which is what I presently do but honestly CCP dont you think this is ridiculous for new and old players. On the contrary, it's the one thing above all others that makes it worthwhile for new players to start: that nobody can do everything perfectly. Player interaction is the sine non qua of MMOs in general, and EVE in particular, and enforcing interdependence in this way is absolutely necessary. As much as I like the idea of increasing interdependence on other players it seems to just spawn the necessity of more alt accounts to do everything.
CRA5HD0WN Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.07.17 13:53:00 - [14] Edited by: CRA5HD0WN on 17/07/2010 13:54:10 Originally by: Merdaneth Terrigal, I know there are many players who think they need to be maxed out to even start using a skill in a particular area, and to who having a skill not at lvl5 feels uncomforting. You need to realize that uncomfortable feeling is one of the reasons many play, they want to reach 'the end'. Well said. and yea some people think EVE is a small scope game that you can reach max level like in WoW. Well, in EVE.. you are infinite.
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.07.17 13:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Scott McClellan As much as I like the idea of increasing interdependence on other players it seems to just spawn the necessity of more alt accounts to do everything. Try teamwork. It's kinda essential in EVE to get somewhere. To the OP: 20+ years to get all skills is long, yes. My previous line shows why it's not important. EVE revolves around teamwork. You can NOT play this game solo and expect to play it to it's full extend. Also, I think most players are are expected to live a little longer then 20 years ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.17 15:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Scott McClellan Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Terrigal Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas it would take around 21 years on one account. CCP keeps adding new skills so that time keeps on increasing. I know you can train multiple accounts and specialize which is what I presently do but honestly CCP dont you think this is ridiculous for new and old players. On the contrary, it's the one thing above all others that makes it worthwhile for new players to start: that nobody can do everything perfectly. Player interaction is the sine non qua of MMOs in general, and EVE in particular, and enforcing interdependence in this way is absolutely necessary. As much as I like the idea of increasing interdependence on other players it seems to just spawn the necessity of more alt accounts to do everything. Well if the OP complained that alt accounts are one of the biggest barriers to new players, then I would have agreed with him. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.17 15:39:00 - [17] Eve's about specialising in a direction you find interesting, not training ALL skills to lvl 5, that's moronic -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Julienne Poirier	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:00:00 - [18] no, then eve would be like other mmo where everyone is maxed out and have one less thing to look forward to. there is no winning eve.
fuer0n	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Terrigal Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas Why would you ever need to do that? to get the bonus multiplier skillpoints when they scrap the skills?
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc.	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:04:00 - [20] Stop trying terri
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:09:00 - [21] Oh I get eve very well and i like the game shortly on my alt ill have maxed all skills for minmatar for BS and under. My post was rhetorical In regards to the adding of skills. ie. Dust comes out and you'll need new skills like plantary comuntication, planatary bombardment, personel transport, etc. Incarna comes out and maybe it'll be station asassination, Bomb making skills, station interaction, station trading, bomb dectection, etc who knows what CCP will dream up and all these skills take time and that time takes away from a player maxing out ship flying, attack & defence skills. So more acounts will be needed to be competitive. In the future you may have to recruit specialists into corps/alliances because as someone said its impossible to do it all on your own.
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Terrigal In the future you may have to recruit specialists into corps/alliances because as someone said its impossible to do it all on your own. Which is exactly the idea of the current system: no one can do it all without multi-boxing, and even then you can only do so much without the need of a strong compliment of others. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Ressiv Originally by: Terrigal In the future you may have to recruit specialists into corps/alliances because as someone said its impossible to do it all on your own. Which is exactly the idea of the current system: no one can do it all without multi-boxing, and even then you can only do so much without the need of a strong compliment of others. Actually this will only increase the holly SH.. from new players and a bigger push from them for more leveling and a bigger FO from older players who have seen the test of time. Presently as some of you im sure know that to get into a 0.0 corp/alliance you need x amount of SP and a creditable KB. 10 years down the track who know but you may need 3 accounts with unbeleievable skills just to be even considered.
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:27:00 - [24] The real reason for this thread was to test the community, Well i think its time CCP opened up all 3 slots so that all are able to train simutaniously.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Terrigal Originally by: Ressiv Originally by: Terrigal In the future you may have to recruit specialists into corps/alliances because as someone said its impossible to do it all on your own. Which is exactly the idea of the current system: no one can do it all without multi-boxing, and even then you can only do so much without the need of a strong compliment of others. Actually this will only increase the holly SH.. from new players and a bigger push from them for more leveling and a bigger FO from older players who have seen the test of time. Presently as some of you im sure know that to get into a 0.0 corp/alliance you need x amount of SP and a creditable KB. 10 years down the track who know but you may need 3 accounts with unbeleievable skills just to be even considered. That is a problem but chances are if they have stupid expactations, they have stupid goals as well. You dont want in that corp or alliance. Alliances in 0.0 are structured for holder purpose. Dont take it personnal if one of the big names ignores you. It isnt that you cant cut it SP wise, its that you dont yet grasp the account structure. Thats a trust issue not an SP one.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Terrigal The real reason for this thread was to test the community, Well i think its time CCP opened up all 3 slots so that all are able to train simutaniously. I repeat: No. Why? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Terrigal Presently as some of you im sure know that to get into a 0.0 corp/alliance you need x amount of SP and a creditable KB. 10 years down the track who know but you may need 3 accounts with unbeleievable skills just to be even considered. Not true my friend, not true AT ALL. All you need to do is not be a carebearing n00b, get to know people, talk to them, have a little fun with them, show you 'get' the game, et voila, you're in. Offcourse they want a minimum amount of SP, but you'll find the requirement is not as high as you think. Most of the time it revolves around the learnings, and being able to fly what you can fly with good skills, and not @ [whoopdydoo I have the minimum requirements] level. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:35:00 - [28] Ioci like you im posting on an alt, I am in 0.0 and in a big alliance on my main and I do have more than some but not all in sp.
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Terrigal The real reason for this thread was to test the community, Well i think its time CCP opened up all 3 slots so that all are able to train simutaniously. I repeat: No. Why? I'll tell you why because PI, Dust, & Incarna will have some sort of SP's attached all these skills take you away from the core of the game Ship Combat whether it be PVP, PVE or any of the skills required to pilot other ship classes.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.17 17:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Terrigal I'll tell you why because PI, Dust, & Incarna will have some sort of SP's attached all these skills take you away from the core of the game Ship Combat whether it be PVP, PVE or any of the skills required to pilot other ship classes. So? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

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