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Ioci
Gallente
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.07.17 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ioci on 17/07/2010 17:48:21
Edited by: Ioci on 17/07/2010 17:47:50 for fat thumbs
 Originally by: Terrigal
Ioci like you im posting on an alt, I am in 0.0 and in a big alliance on my main and I do have more than some but not all in sp.
Ioci is my main.
She is my original EvE account and is the core to everything I do in EvE. Meaning she doesnt get added to any 0.0 agenda untill I know what that agenda is. |
Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Terrigal on 17/07/2010 18:13:50
Did the quick check of those that replied and the majority are players that were created between 2003 an 2006 and you guys always arc up as soon as the words Skill Points is mentioned and I guess you've a vested interest in not changing a thing and keeping miles ahead of the pack, am I right?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Terrigal
Did the quick check of those that replied and the majority are players that were created between 2003 an 2006 and you guys always arc up as soon as the words Skill Points is mentioned and I guess you've a vested interest in not changing a thing and keeping miles ahead of the pack, am I right?
Nope.
àespecially since the current system is what makes staying "miles ahead of the pack" an impossibility.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Terrigal
Edited by: Terrigal on 17/07/2010 18:13:50
Did the quick check of those that replied and the majority are players that were created between 2003 an 2006 and you guys always arc up as soon as the words Skill Points is mentioned and I guess you've a vested interest in not changing a thing and keeping miles ahead of the pack, am I right?
Ehr ... 2009 toon here, very much in favour of keeping them the way they are. NEVER saw them as an issue. So yeah, you're wrong.
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Hooded Hauler
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:19:00 -
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Don't see the problem, I think most people live longer than 21 years, and so theoretically they could train all the skills!
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Kewso
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:22:00 -
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I agree with OP
I'd love to see training times reduced overall.
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Ioci
Gallente
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Terrigal
Did the quick check of those that replied and the majority are players that were created between 2003 an 2006 and you guys always arc up as soon as the words Skill Points is mentioned and I guess you've a vested interest in not changing a thing and keeping miles ahead of the pack, am I right?
Nope.
àespecially since the current system is what makes staying "miles ahead of the pack" an impossibility.
This.
That alt you mentioned? The one for me that's in a null sec alliance would rip Ioci a new one in gate camp PvP. She is specialized different. A third account is Specialized to sit at 50 km and kill them both as they go toe to toe.
EvE is way to situational to be l33t. If anything it's a bit too situatuional. To the point where it doesnt work and you get dock ups and logoffski fests because everyone knows that 98% of the situations they face arent defendable. |
Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Terrigal on 17/07/2010 18:32:38
Tippia you're, I think the youngest created character to reply to this thread being a 2007 char id estimate you'd have around 45mil sp which is great. This char has around 39mil sp my main has many more thats not what this post is about. I personally take my hat off to those that stuck it out since 2003/4 as EVE back then for me where i am was impossible to play and I expect they had issues with it too.
This thread is about the ammount of SP's and the creation of more and more new skills and a need to start new accounts to be able to ustilise those skills to the best of those abilities without detracting the original skill training already undertaken from existing accounts.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Terrigal
Edited by: Terrigal on 17/07/2010 18:13:50
Did the quick check of those that replied and the majority are players that were created between 2003 an 2006 and you guys always arc up as soon as the words Skill Points is mentioned and I guess you've a vested interest in not changing a thing and keeping miles ahead of the pack, am I right?
That is entirely correct. I have a significant interest in not seeing a challenging and exciting game ruined because of the widespread fallacy that easy = fun.
EVE is great because it's difficult.
I oppose the change you oppose because it's unnecessary. I know from personal experience that you dont need it.
However my opposition is moot, since your proposal is tantamount to lopping a good 25% of CCP's income overnight, and therefore will never be put in to practice.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Simeon Tor
Originally by: Akita T
Dear OP : I want to have honestly earned doctorates in all possible fields of study in the real-life (nevermind new ones constantly keep popping up), and want to do it all in my lifetime. Oh, and could you please have it so that my lifetime gets extended to about 300 years or so, that would be super !
300 years isn't enough, you'll always be behind the times. I learned that from The Man from Earth.
#ohgod #greatmovie
-Liang
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.17 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Terrigal
Edited by: Terrigal on 17/07/2010 18:32:38
Tippia you're, I think the youngest created character to reply to this thread being a 2007 char id estimate you'd have around 45mil sp which is great.
Confirming 2007 is younger then 2009
Quote:
This thread is about the ammount of SP's and the creation of more and more new skills and a need to start new accounts to be able to ustilise those skills to the best of those abilities without detracting the original skill training already undertaken from existing accounts.
As toons are trained into a 'profession', and not that much got added to any of those in a way that makes it impossible to do any of those 'professions' without creating an alt, I don't see the issue ?
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Vee Raa
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.07.17 19:18:00 -
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OP seems to be mad because he can't powergrind to lvl 80
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Spades Slick
Caldari
Rookies Academy Elite
Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.17 19:19:00 -
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Yes.
An ideal character should be able to perfectly armor, shield, and hull tank, as well as manage the powergrid and CPU of the ship amazingly; make the best use out of energy, hybrid, and projectile weaponry; utilize missiles to their fullest; have a mastery of drones; be an expert miner, refiner, industrialist, and career commodity trader; and fly every ship in existence in New Eden like they were born in it. Did I miss anything?
That's exactly how EVE was meant to be.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.17 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Terrigal
Tippia you're, I think the youngest created character to reply to this thread being a 2007 char id estimate you'd have around 45mil sp which is great.
Unlikely, and wrong. In roughly that orderà 
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This thread is about the ammount of SP's and the creation of more and more new skills and a need to start new accounts to be able to ustilise those skills to the best of those abilities without detracting the original skill training already undertaken from existing accounts.
What about them? What's the problem with creating new skills? Nothing is keeping you from training them. Likewise, nothing is keeping you from not training them. The choice is entirely yours. If you feel like it would be a detraction from your current training, then don't do it. If you don't know if you'll want to train them, skip over to Sisi while they're in the testing phase ù you'll be handed them so you can test them, and this means you can test them for your purposes, not just for the purpose of bugtesting the game.
If you're obsessed with doing things "to the best of [your] ability", then yes, you'll need to create new characters. But so what? You don't have to be "the best" to have fun with it. You certainly don't have to be "the best" at everything, since you just won't have time to do it all ù hell, even being so-so at everything will take more time than you could ever spend. It would certainly provide some freedom to switch your focus ever so often, but again, you don't have to have all-V to do that ù so-so is plenty for temporary distractions.
So, again: why? What's the problem with an all-V character taking 20+ years to cultivate?
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.17 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 17/07/2010 21:08:52
Originally by: Tippia
hell, even being so-so at everything will take more time than you could ever spend
Excuse me, that's what *I* am doing, and after over 4 years of skill training I'm doing halfway decently 
98x L5 skills, 140x L4 skills, 107x L3 skills, nothing below L3 
*fingers crosses* just about 3 more years to go to being actually adequate in almost all fields (except capital ships which I don't want to touch any time soon) 
P.S. There are some L5s I'd almost never even consider training to that level unless they were prerequisites for something else, and even then, I'd really, really think twice.
Training *everything* to L5 is just madness.
The O.P. should redo the math with "all L4" skills, and L5s only if they are prerequisite for something.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.17 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 17/07/2010 21:13:37
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tippia
hell, even being so-so at everything will take more time than you could ever spend
Excuse me, that's what *I* am doing, and after over 4 years of skill training I'm doing halfway decently
I didn't mean training them ù I mean using them. I already have an all-IV plan in motion, and it's coming along nicely, but when it ends, I simply won't have enough hours in the day to make use of all those skills (I'm even doubtful an alt would help much). It's essentially an exercise in charsheet aesthetics and "because I can", nothing else.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.17 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Terrigal
Presently to max all skills to lvl5 in all areas it would take around 21 years on one account. CCP keeps adding new skills so that time keeps on increasing. I know you can train multiple accounts and specialize which is what I presently do but honestly CCP dont you think this is ridiculous for new and old players.
On the contrary, it's the one thing above all others that makes it worthwhile for new players to start: that nobody can do everything perfectly. Player interaction is the sine non qua of MMOs in general, and EVE in particular, and enforcing interdependence in this way is absolutely necessary.
ZOMGZ000RZ no level 80 pally with epic gear nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
/sarcasm.
Yeah its what makes EvE EvE.
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